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Snasty
Caldari
The Hippies
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.01.20 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Snasty on 20/01/2009 15:10:11
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Brilliant, an already very groovy app just keeps getting better.
Your work is appreciated.
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Leveraged Equity
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Posted - 2009.01.20 15:53:00 -
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generating an assets report now gives me an error after the very first item:
Problem creating report:
TotalResultsValue is zero in 'ReprocessJob.SetEffectiveBuyPrices'
and a blank report.
NAV report is totally empty too
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Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.20 16:31:00 -
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Yes, I didn't take a particular case into account, this is the cause of both the asset report error and the reprocessor error.
I'll have a fix out within a couple of hours. |
Leveraged Equity
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Posted - 2009.01.20 16:46:00 -
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Take your time bro, and thanks for everything!
I was on travel last week for business but thanks to Emma I was able to roughly keep on top of expired orders the whole time! Without her it'd have been time-prohibitive to hand-check all 1600 active orders I manage. Heck I did 1.4b in sales, twice, on 2 consecutive days that I didn't even log in!
I wish CCP would make the market exports available automatically so we could get some proper price monitoring going here. My vision is for an API call that pulls the current market status of each item a character has an active order for in the local region, all bundled up in one API call.
Then we just need a proper ticker system and all would be right in the world.
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Loaby
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Posted - 2009.01.20 17:07:00 -
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sounds great, thx ambo |
Skie Ankora
The Hippies
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.01.20 19:16:00 -
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Hi Ambo,
Thanks for the updates :)
I'm running the new release 1.1.0.3.
The AutoUpdater.exe still prompts for me admin access on Vista. Did you say it was not supposed to any more?
It has the little shield icon next to it which means explorer somehow auto-detected that it requires admin access.
My AutoUpdater.exe version is 1.1.0.0, is that right?
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Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.20 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ambo on 20/01/2009 19:27:30
I've made a rather foolish mistake with the auto update program.
If you get a error from the auto updater when you startup then you'll need to manually download and copy the new version on top of the old one.
Sorry about that.
If you ran the auto update after this post then you should be fine.
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Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.20 19:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Skie Ankora
Hi Ambo,
Thanks for the updates :)
I'm running the new release 1.1.0.3.
The AutoUpdater.exe still prompts for me admin access on Vista. Did you say it was not supposed to any more?
It has the little shield icon next to it which means explorer somehow auto-detected that it requires admin access.
My AutoUpdater.exe version is 1.1.0.0, is that right?
I havn't changed anything in that area since we were testing yesterday so it shouldn't be prompting now if it wasn't then.
If Vista is detecting that it needs admin access automatically then I'm not sure what else I can do. 
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Daijoubu
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Posted - 2009.01.20 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Daijoubu on 20/01/2009 20:50:31
Hi Ambo;
Another improvement opportunity! Emma can no longer run the autoupdater on my system. I get an error message about not being able to access the EMMA exe because it is in use by another process. I'll email you a screenshot of the error message.
Rob
ETA - Oops, disregard my email. You updated while I was writing this post. |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:00:00 -
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It'd be great if EMMA refreshed existing windows to show the most current data rather than having to change the dates manually to cause a refresh (or closing/re-opening for orders). It'd be cool if windows remembered their sizes/locations/etc, too... which I don't think they currently do.
Otherwise, currently a fantastic application. Hell yeah.
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Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel
It'd be great if EMMA refreshed existing windows to show the most current data rather than having to change the dates manually to cause a refresh (or closing/re-opening for orders).
Well it's certainly possible but it's at the wrong end of the effort/reward scale imo. I'll put it on the list anyway but it's probably not going to happen any time soon since it's pretty easy to just close/reopen anyway.
Quote:
It'd be cool if windows remembered their sizes/locations/etc, too... which I don't think they currently do.
Most windows remember thier size/location with the latest version. 
It's also easy to add other windows now that the system is in place.
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Skie Ankora
The Hippies
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo
I havn't changed anything in that area since we were testing yesterday so it shouldn't be prompting now if it wasn't then.
If Vista is detecting that it needs admin access automatically then I'm not sure what else I can do.
No mate the update program is working just like it was before - no problems there. It did exactly the same thing on the test beta version you sent me. Although we were talking about you making further changes to stop Vista detecting it as needing administrator rights. I just wasn't sure whether you'd done that for this update or not.
I am having other problems though. When I do an item report for the last week, none of my items are showing an average buy price (just a dash) - but they were immediately prior to this update.
Is anyone else getting this problem? I've verified it with a corp-mate who also has a copy of Emma. I can't ever get an average buy price to display.
Also, I'm having a problem with the 'cost of units sold' not being correct (this was wrong before the update aswell). E.g. Transactions window shows a single unit bought for 8m and a single unit sold for 15m, but cost of units sold shows 4.5m. I know the cost can depend on previous buy orders etc. but this is an item that I have literally only ever sold and bought exactly one unit of, so I know the value should be 7m (assuming I am understanding it correctly of course!) |
Saira Jin
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Posted - 2009.01.21 07:25:00 -
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The Unit Value for items in the Reprocessing window - how is that calculated?
Also Ambo, I keep forgetting how item values are calculated in the NAV report. Could you please add that to the main description of EMMA in this thread or in the docs/tutorial or someplace accessible?
Sometimes the values for items reported by EMMA just "feel" way off, intuitively, so I see my NAV jumping up 200mill one day, and down 200mill the next, and I have spent hour figuring out why sometimes.
By the way, reprocessing crashed on me too, but since you have a couple of bug reports, I will wait till the first minor update to see if it exists!
Thank you! |
Mantarro
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Posted - 2009.01.21 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Skie Ankora
I am having other problems though. When I do an item report for the last week, none of my items are showing an average buy price (just a dash) - but they were immediately prior to this update.
I am having this as well, also NAV report shows nothing in the latest (left most) column.
The base data seems to be OK though.
Regards,
Mantarro
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Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.21 09:22:00 -
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1.1.0.4 now available:
- Fixed a bug causing the first column of reports to always be blank.
- Fixed a long-standing bug with the item report that could cause items to not be shown on the report despite sales or purchases definatley having been made within the specified time frame.
I'll post back later with replies to your questions about price calculations, etc. Just a little busy atm.  |
Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.21 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Skie Ankora
Originally by: Ambo
I havn't changed anything in that area since we were testing yesterday so it shouldn't be prompting now if it wasn't then.
If Vista is detecting that it needs admin access automatically then I'm not sure what else I can do.
No mate the update program is working just like it was before - no problems there. It did exactly the same thing on the test beta version you sent me. Although we were talking about you making further changes to stop Vista detecting it as needing administrator rights. I just wasn't sure whether you'd done that for this update or not.
Well I removed the flag that tells Vista that it needs admin privilages but I guess Vista can somehow still detect that it's going to be needing it anyway.
Perhaps I can set somthing that will force it NOT to ask. I'll try and find out.
Quote:
Also, I'm having a problem with the 'cost of units sold' not being correct (this was wrong before the update aswell). E.g. Transactions window shows a single unit bought for 8m and a single unit sold for 15m, but cost of units sold shows 4.5m. I know the cost can depend on previous buy orders etc. but this is an item that I have literally only ever sold and bought exactly one unit of, so I know the value should be 7m (assuming I am understanding it correctly of course!)
The cost of units sold is still wokred out in the same manner as described in the FAQ here .
The only change I've made is that if there are reprocess jobs that produce the item then they are taken into account as well when calculating the cost of units sold.
If you buy one unit at 7m and sell it at 15m and you currently have no units anywhere else then the cost of units sold should be 7m.
I'll try setting up some simple test cases with an alt to make sure it's definatley still working as it should but certainly it seems fine on my main.
Originally by: Saira Jin
By the way, reprocessing crashed on me too, but since you have a couple of bug reports, I will wait till the first minor update to see if it exists!
If you're still getting this then please send me your excpeitonlog.txt ([email protected]) |
Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.21 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Saira Jin
The Unit Value for items in the Reprocessing window - how is that calculated?
Also Ambo, I keep forgetting how item values are calculated in the NAV report. Could you please add that to the main description of EMMA in this thread or in the docs/tutorial or someplace accessible?
Sometimes the values for items reported by EMMA just "feel" way off, intuitively, so I see my NAV jumping up 200mill one day, and down 200mill the next, and I have spent hour figuring out why sometimes.
Item values are calculated in the same way for both the reprocessor and item report. It works like this:
1) request the buy or sell price of an item for a specific date and region (or any region)
2) First check EMMA's cache, i.e. if, since EMMA was started, we've already asked for the same item, date, region, buy/sell price then just return whatever value we returned last time.
3) If it's not there then check the price history table in the database. If there is a value for the requested item, date, region, buy/sell price then put it in the cache and return it. Otherwise, remember the value closest to the date we want if there is one.
4) If the 'use eve central' flag is on then check the web-price history table in the database. If there is a value for the requested item, date, region, buy/sell price then put it in the cache and return it. Otherwise, if we havn't already done so with the standard price history table, remember the value closest to the date we want if there is one.
5) Try getting the median price for the 2 days prior to the requested date from the report group's transactions in the specified region. If we get a value, store it in the database, store it in the cache and return it.
6) Try getting the median price for the 7 days prior to the requested date from the report group's transactions in the specified region. If we get a value, store it in the database, store it in the cache and return it.
7) If we're looking for a sell value then try and get the user-specified item value entered in the item value settings. If we get a value, store it in the database, store it in the cache and return it.
8) If the 'use eve central' flag is active and we're trying to get a price for today then request data from eve-central or eve-prices. If using eve-central and looking for a sell value then we use either the median or max buy price as defined in EMMA's settings. If looking for a buy price, we use the minimum sell price. If there is a value then store it in the web price history database table, store it in the cache and return it.
9) Try getting the median price for the 3 months prior to the requested date from the report group's transactions in the specified region. If we get a value, store it in the database, store it in the cache and return it.
10) If we've still got nothing and we're looking for data in a specific region then repeat the whole process for any region.
11) If we've still got nothing but we found a value for a different data back on step 3 or 4 then use that value.
12) Finally, if we still have nothing and are looking for a sell price then repeat the whole process but looking for a buy price instead.
I know this is rather convoluted but it's somthing I've arrived at after lots of thinking, testing and tweaking. I'm open to suggestions on how to improve the accuracy as that's the primary concern imo. |
Loaby
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Posted - 2009.01.21 14:20:00 -
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the auto-contractor doesnt seem to use the values i set via ¦item values¦ |
Karan Diras
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Posted - 2009.01.21 14:45:00 -
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I am not sure if that problem was already posted:
It seems to me, that the reprocessor is pretty much off considering prices and the amount I can reprocess... I mean I am pretty sure that I wont get 4.7 bil on a cyclone if I reprocess it.
Unit values are off most of the time in the reprocessor: A basic implant costs normally around 6 million, not 600 mil...
Also in the assetts report some numbers, espescially for ships, are off like that mentionend 4.7 bil or 7.3 bil on a drake.
So, do I have to give him the unit values manually, even if I have those prices correctly somewhere else in the program? Or is it just a bug? |
Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.21 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Loaby
the auto-contractor doesnt seem to use the values i set via ¦item values¦
For calculating the sell price, it should follow the same rules as above. i.e. it will only use the manually entered price if you have not sold any of that item within the last 7 days.
Also, I've just realised that if you've set the price manually for 'all regions' then it almost certainly won't use it. Instead, set the value for the region your destination station is in. (I'll be changing this in the next update since it feels wrong imo.)
Originally by: Karan Diras
I am not sure if that problem was already posted:
It seems to me, that the reprocessor is pretty much off considering prices and the amount I can reprocess... I mean I am pretty sure that I wont get 4.7 bil on a cyclone if I reprocess it.
Unit values are off most of the time in the reprocessor: A basic implant costs normally around 6 million, not 600 mil...
Also in the assetts report some numbers, espescially for ships, are off like that mentionend 4.7 bil or 7.3 bil on a drake.
So, do I have to give him the unit values manually, even if I have those prices correctly somewhere else in the program? Or is it just a bug?
Sounds like everything is about two orders of magnitude out. I'm guessing your system is setup to use ',' as the decimal seperator rather than '.'? If so then I must have missed a conversion somewhere. I'll take a look
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Leveraged Equity
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Posted - 2009.01.21 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Leveraged Equity on 21/01/2009 17:22:48
Assets report still shows me only total units and average price and is blank to the right of that.
Thank you,
Edit: just found the "unacknowledged orders" button but it doesn't seem to pull up the window for me. |
Rada Ionesco
Caldari
Prometheus Industrial
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Posted - 2009.01.21 17:27:00 -
[412]
So I am wondering with this new version costing 100 mil, how quick will the problem/support solution be? I would like to invest in this for my corp, but don't want to waste 100 mil if the fixes take days of weeks to implement. Any user feed back, or even author feed back that may may change my mind? |
Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.21 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Leveraged Equity
Assets report still shows me only total units and average price and is blank to the right of that.
curious, my asset report is certainly fine. Just to make sure, if you go to the 'about' screen, is the evemarketmonitorapp.exe component 1.1.0.4 or somthing else?
Quote:
Edit: just found the "unacknowledged orders" button but it doesn't seem to pull up the window for me.
Request: clicking on the character portrait in the main window checks/unchecks all API boxes for that character.
That should be pretty simple to do, I'll put it on my todo list.
Originally by: Rada Ionesco
So I am wondering with this new version costing 100 mil, how quick will the problem/support solution be? I would like to invest in this for my corp, but don't want to waste 100 mil if the fixes take days of weeks to implement. Any user feed back, or even author feed back that may may change my mind?
Well you can see by reading this thread that I generally respond to problems or requests within a few hours. However, actually implementing them is a different matter. Somtimes they'll be simple and done within a few hours. On the other hand, I've got a few on my list from a month ago or more that seem almost impossible to track down and resolve.
i.e. It depends.
Also, the time I can spend on EMMA varies a lot depending on how busy I am at work. |
Mantarro
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Posted - 2009.01.21 18:37:00 -
[414]
Edited by: Mantarro on 21/01/2009 18:37:46
I was wondering if I am missing something in the item report.
I produce modules and sell them but never buy them, so the buy price is always blank and the gross profit is negative by the sales tax amount.
Is there a way of entering say the build price as a buy price for use in this report?
Regards,
Mantarro
PS lates upgrade fixes the NAV report thanks :) |
Leveraged Equity
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Posted - 2009.01.21 20:04:00 -
[415]
positively 1.1.0.4 here,
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Ambo
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.21 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mantarro
Edited by: Mantarro on 21/01/2009 18:37:46
I was wondering if I am missing something in the item report.
I produce modules and sell them but never buy them, so the buy price is always blank and the gross profit is negative by the sales tax amount.
Is there a way of entering say the build price as a buy price for use in this report?
Regards,
Mantarro
PS lates upgrade fixes the NAV report thanks :)
I'm afraid not. EMMA is more focused on trading than production. I'm hoping to add a full-on production module one day but it's not going to be any time soon I'm afraid.
Originally by: Leveraged Equity
positively 1.1.0.4 here,
Ok, I'll poke around and see if I can find any possible cause. |
Bret Caliaro
Fortuna inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.21 22:17:00 -
[417]
How do you update your API code I tried to change mine in the manage group window but it will not change from the original one that I entered?
CTD while scrambled, possibly the most fun I've ever had in my life. |
Deielle
Amarr
The Sobani
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.01.21 22:51:00 -
[418]
Holy Jesus. This app is awesome. Thank you. |
Skie Ankora
The Hippies
House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.01.21 23:59:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Ambo
Well I removed the flag that tells Vista that it needs admin privilages but I guess Vista can somehow still detect that it's going to be needing it anyway.
Perhaps I can set somthing that will force it NOT to ask. I'll try and find out.
I did some research and I think I found the problem - Vista detects any executable with certain keywords in the name as requiring administrative rights, including the keyword "update" (see here for further details: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa905330.aspx).
The best way to stop it is to include an application manifest with requestedExecutionLevel set to "asInvoker", as explained here (shows how to do it in Visual Studio): http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb206295.aspx.
Originally by: Ambo
The cost of units sold is still wokred out in the same manner as described in the FAQ here .
The only change I've made is that if there are reprocess jobs that produce the item then they are taken into account as well when calculating the cost of units sold.
If you buy one unit at 7m and sell it at 15m and you currently have no units anywhere else then the cost of units sold should be 7m.
I'll try setting up some simple test cases with an alt to make sure it's definatley still working as it should but certainly it seems fine on my main.
I've looked into it some more and you are right - I was misunderstanding how cost of units is calculated.
I'm still finding it gives misleading answers in some situations. For example look at the attached graphic showing a dump of my transactions for an item and the corresponding item report on it http://eve-files.com/dl/184736. The cost of units is shown as 9m because that was the earliest buy price back in December. The sale price was 15.5m so that gives a net margin of 6.5m. However I recently bought the item for 5.25m and sold for 15.5m, for a net margin of 10.25m.
So the net profit values emma is currently giving me are quite misleading at the moment. However, the new algorithm improves on the way Emma used to work in some situations. e.g. in the reporting period you sell an item but don't buy any units, the old Emma would show a profit equal to total sale value rather than deducting the earlier buy price.
I need to think on this some more, it's complicated... All I know now is most of the time I'm not finding the output of the item report very useful for determining my actual net profit. But on the other hand the new way of doing things does make sense in a lot of ways. What are your thoughts on it?
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Rada Ionesco
Caldari
Prometheus Industrial
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Posted - 2009.01.22 00:46:00 -
[420]
Originally by: Ambo
Originally by: Mantarro
Edited by: Mantarro on 21/01/2009 18:37:46
I was wondering if I am missing something in the item report.
I produce modules and sell them but never buy them, so the buy price is always blank and the gross profit is negative by the sales tax amount.
Is there a way of entering say the build price as a buy price for use in this report?
Regards,
Mantarro
PS lates upgrade fixes the NAV report thanks :)
I'm afraid not. EMMA is more focused on trading than production. I'm hoping to add a full-on production module one day but it's not going to be any time soon I'm afraid.
Originally by: Leveraged Equity
positively 1.1.0.4 here,
Ok, I'll poke around and see if I can find any possible cause.
Thanks for the answer to my previous post. Judging by this posters answer, it sounds like EMMA is not for me though. Too bad really, because I need a software suite that will handle all aspects of production and accounting. I lack the skills to it my self, maybe some day I will see an update to EMMA that deals only with the manufacturer. Thanks for putting out a what sounds like a good product however, and hopefully in the future I can use it if it is more customized to my needs.
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