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Lesath Scorpii Cyclone Solutions 0	Posted - 2012.04.10 13:12:00 - [1] - Quote A freighter holding 200,000 m3 or so taking the same training as a regular freighter and being a little faster, smaller and agile would be really cool. There's quite a gap between an industrial and a freighter and it really should be filled. Don't bring up jump freighters, just don't...
lol fourm troll State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.04.10 13:19:00 - [2] - Quote Try an orca.
Xearal SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance 289	Posted - 2012.04.10 13:45:00 - [3] - Quote it's called an Orca
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 354	Posted - 2012.04.10 13:47:00 - [4] - Quote Heh. I want one. Mentioned it in F&I Something that's not on a totally different training track, and a lower asset risk, rather than traveling half empty. The discussion https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53470 FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.
Nazowa Warsong State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.04.10 13:51:00 - [5] - Quote I see this coming up again and again and every time I give the same answer. Please add this, please...
Tarn Kugisa Space Mongolian Pinked 59	Posted - 2012.04.10 13:59:00 - [6] - Quote If you haul stuff a lot you might have Racial Industrial to V, and after that it only takes about an hour of training. I'd train for it right now if the skillbooks didn't cost over 100 million for the pair. Real Caldari Hull Tank (And Win doing so) Support the EVE Version of Source Recoder!
General Trajan State War Academy Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.04.10 14:19:00 - [7] - Quote actually, i'd like to side step that in favor of being able to repackage ships with rigs on with a bit more mass as a penalty. this would make my freighter and jump freighter very happy.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 354	Posted - 2012.04.10 14:26:00 - [8] - Quote Tarn Kugisa wrote: If you haul stuff a lot you might have Racial Industrial to V, and after that it only takes about an hour of training. I'd train for it right now if the skillbooks didn't cost over 100 million for the pair. That gap isn't skills. It's size (and speed). Something in between, that doesn't require a totally different training plan is what's being asked for. Quite happy for it to take the same skills as a freighter, as is the OP FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.
Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing 241	Posted - 2012.04.10 14:55:00 - [9] - Quote Orca was created for this exact purpose. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour!
Nekopyat Nee-Co 42	Posted - 2012.04.10 14:55:00 - [10] - Quote I am really hoping they revisit this at some point, EvE has all sorts of room for a variety of specialized industrial ships, with a mini-freighter being one of the better defined one. The Ocra was nice, but they tried to shove too many roles into a single hull. It does them all 'ok', but it is a compromise they never would have considered for a combat ship. The Orca could have been half a dozen new ships, each one filling a specific role well.

lol fourm troll State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.04.10 16:01:00 - [11] - Quote I count one role, mining fleet suupport ship, a nice secondary is the ability to haul lots of goods, but that stays under the industry umbrella. Anything else done with the orca is player adapting.
Celeritas 5k Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus 28	Posted - 2012.04.10 19:22:00 - [12] - Quote Maybe just a boost to the tanky T2 haulers' cargo space? It's messed up that a mastodon has a smaller hold than an itty 5.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 579	Posted - 2012.04.11 00:00:00 - [13] - Quote A 250,000 M3 smaller sized freighter would be nice.
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 850	Posted - 2012.04.11 01:36:00 - [14] - Quote Celeritas 5k wrote: Maybe just a boost to the tanky T2 haulers' cargo space? It's messed up that a mastodon has a smaller hold than an itty 5. The T2 DSTs could indeed use a bit of love.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 592	Posted - 2012.04.11 01:37:00 - [15] - Quote When you are going slow, being able to haul a massive amount makes a big difference. Orca is slower than a freighter. I have little use for my Orca as a hauler. I removed the cargo rigs even. For its speed (without having to pulse a MWD), it just doesn't have as good hauling efficiency. Seriously, try a freighter. You may find that you don't care about 200k ships anymore.
Alyssa SaintCroix Leihkasse Stammheim 27	Posted - 2012.04.11 03:39:00 - [16] - Quote The only thing I dislike about Orcas and Freighters these days is the price...
D Program Yamamoto Industries 18	Posted - 2012.04.11 05:29:00 - [17] - Quote You feel like this only as newbie. As you get into the game, soon enough you have a Freighter and never will think about this idea ever again. Three months into the game you can be moving tens of billions already. It's not that the game has to be easier, it's that you have to play better. What is this sorcery? http://www.eve-cost.eu
Aurel Svenson Cyclone Solutions 14	Posted - 2012.04.11 11:13:00 - [18] - Quote We have a corporate freighter already (I'm her corp-mate) We would like a corporate mini-freighter as well. It's quite often we're moving loads between 60,000 and 200,000 m3... Honestly, the big freighter is really only needed for strontium clathrates as production materials.
Reppyk The Black Shell 93	Posted - 2012.04.11 13:14:00 - [19] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Orca is slower than a freighter. Freighter : warp in what, 45s ? Orca : 10s to enter warp. Moookaaaaaaaay.
Khenar Awesome Corp 0	Posted - 2012.04.11 15:39:00 - [20] - Quote As others have mentioned, the Orca was created for this exact purpose. It was a heavy lobbying point for the CSM that existed before the release of Quantum Rise (the expansion that gave us the Orca) because there was no in-between hauler back then that could serve as a "step-up" from an industrial to a freighter. It has a sizable Corporate Hangar Array, an ore hold, a Ship Maintenance Array, a large cargohold, a very respectable tank, _and_ the ability to fit gang links. Its ability to swap between tanking, alignment speed, and cargohold depending on what is needed make it a much better option than a regular freighter for everything but the massive cargohold the freighter provides. There's absolutely no need for a "mini-freighter" when the Orca practically has everything but the kitchen sink. PS: The MWD pulse trick practically halves the time it takes for the Orca to enter warp. If you want it to go faster, then bring a Rapier with you.

Silver Ott Baxter Inc Babylon 5.. 2	Posted - 2012.04.11 15:43:00 - [21] - Quote id rather see a JF with a bigger cargohold
Brewlar Kuvakei Adeptio Gloriae 43	Posted - 2012.04.11 16:38:00 - [22] - Quote Orca does need some rather bizzare and useless skills but then you could also get the tech II transport ship.
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 296	Posted - 2012.04.11 17:08:00 - [23] - Quote @ OP, No. As Khenar pointed out already, the Orca is built specifically for this purpose. It has far greater advantages than the freighter could offer other than a massive cargo hold. In addition to Khenar's statement, the Orca's ship bay, ore hold, and corp hangar bay are only scannable by Concord meaning that players have no way of being able to scan what's on your Orca other than what's on the standard cargo hold that they can see in. On top of that, if the Orca dies, the loot NEVER drops and it NEVER shows up on the kill mail so gankers will not have a clue how much much ISK was lost. And with a seriously sick tank compared to the freighters, the Orca will survive most ganks even if attacked by 10 alpha-Tornadoes at once. Not only that, the Orca and the Rorqual (it's low-sec brother) are the only two ships capable of operating three active gang links at once. All others will only operate one at a time unless fitted with certain modules that allow for more but take up precious slot space in the process. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you.
Raven Ether Republic University Minmatar Republic 146	Posted - 2012.04.11 17:55:00 - [24] - Quote Yeah, it's the Orca that fits this role nicely.
Aurel Svenson Cyclone Solutions 15	Posted - 2012.04.11 18:04:00 - [25] - Quote The Orca fails badly at this role as its capacity is only 100,000 m3 for general cargo (not everyone is moving ore and ships), and it requires a great deal of training with no relation to hauling.
Barakach R-ISK Shadow Operations. 38	Posted - 2012.04.11 18:09:00 - [26] - Quote Zifrian wrote: Orca was created for this exact purpose. Orca has quite a different skill hierarchy. Since the skills do no complement hauling, one can not consider the Orca a true hauler.
Ninyania alCladdyth McLuvin AstroDynamics 38	Posted - 2012.04.11 18:09:00 - [27] - Quote Barakach wrote: Zifrian wrote: Orca was created for this exact purpose. Orca has quite a different skill hierarchy. Since the skills do no complement hauling, one can not consider the Orca a true hauler. But it "works".
Cedo Nulli Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2012.04.11 18:29:00 - [28] - Quote Someone pointed out well that orca does need some skills that are very very bizarre idd and not useful for most that just want to haul stuff around. Mini-freighter does have a purpose and orca is NOT the answer just because you can shoehorn it into that role.
Barakach R-ISK Shadow Operations. 38	Posted - 2012.04.11 18:32:00 - [29] - Quote Ninyania alCladdyth wrote: Barakach wrote: Zifrian wrote: Orca was created for this exact purpose. Orca has quite a different skill hierarchy. Since the skills do no complement hauling, one can not consider the Orca a true hauler. But it "works". A screwdriver can work like a hammer if you flip it around. Shoehorning something into a role it is not meant to be, means it's sub-optimal. The Orca has a lot of features that are useless to a hauler but have a meta cost. It's not a huge request. Get a few people to do some art work for the 4 races, then have a few people discus it's shield/armor/hull/storage/etc. Not a whole lot of time and it would make some of us happier.
Infinite Force Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 32	Posted - 2012.04.11 19:34:00 - [30] - Quote Barakach wrote: Ninyania alCladdyth wrote: Barakach wrote: Zifrian wrote: Orca was created for this exact purpose. Orca has quite a different skill hierarchy. Since the skills do no complement hauling, one can not consider the Orca a true hauler. But it "works". A screwdriver can work like a hammer if you flip it around. Shoehorning something into a role it is not meant to be, means it's sub-optimal. The Orca has a lot of features that are useless to a hauler but have a meta cost. It's not a huge request. Get a few people to do some art work for the 4 races, then have a few people discus it's shield/armor/hull/storage/etc. Not a whole lot of time and it would make some of us happier. This. The OP is looking for a JF hull & capacity without the Jump capabilities or the JF price tag. I would love to see that. Also, doesn't this belong in F&I? HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud Hammer Mineral Compression -á- The only way to go!



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