A freighter holding 200,000 m3 or so taking the same training as a regular freighter and being a little faster, smaller and agile would be really cool. There's quite a gap between an industrial and a freighter and it really should be filled.

Don't bring up jump freighters, just don't...

it's called an Orca

Because Orcas have the same training requirements as freighters, and are more agile and cheaper too! And they're pretty decent as haulers, all things considered.

The ORCA is meant to be a mining hauler that gives mining bonuses. It is NOT meant to be a sub-cap freighter.

This **** about the fact that an Orca can be re-purposed into a 'mini freighter' is complete bull.
-The 'old' jump freighters required people to train into carriers.
--Carriers were getting used for cargo hauling more often than they were fighting because they were way more efficient than jumping a convoy down to null or such.
---CCP, noticing this strange bastardization of a combat/logistics ship made a (new ship) jump freighter to fit into that role, to fit into a logical training/progression set.
+ I think a small, sub-capital, more maneuverable-than-freighter-less-maneuverable-than-transport would fill a gap that exists within logical training towards hauling ships.

Not training for an Orca because of ~mining skills~ crew checking in. I always wanted a ship like an orca minus the ore hold. For exploration, it would be very nice to be able to haul around a frigate and a cruiser with me when changing areas of operation.

I would also like a maxi freighter somewhere around 5M m3 and then a super freighter at 10M m3 lets get some new and different sized ships out there. happy for it to take several years for art etc.......

Heh. I want one. Mentioned it in F&I

Something that's not on a totally different training track, and a lower asset risk, rather than traveling half empty.


The discussion
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53470

you guys want the ship to cost less then a freighter, be less gankable then a freighter, and carry 220k m3? I got 2 letters for you...


OP

I'm happy with the speed of freighters. I'd like a little faster alignment time. Less ehp is a given. half would work for me.

Haulers need to come in small, medium, and large sizes.

Miners, too.

Wait, so lets say I am in the business of air transportation and I have a small 2 seater plane to start with, I eventually work up to a bit bigger cargo plane and i eventually need a bigger one because of all the business im getting but i don't have the money for a huge jumbo jet, looks like I have to train for a sky crane! even though that's meant for a completely different purpose and ill have to train for a completely different vehicle because Boeing and Airbus are to lazy to make a medium sized cargo plane, I mean the sky crane is already there why not let them use that? right? Oh sarcasm.

Actually it's more like this:
I'm in the business of moving dirt. I start with a little dump truck, and move my way up to bigger dump trucks, until I'm driving one of those ones that hogs both lanes at once: http://hybrids-trucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Dump-Truck.jpg

My business moves along smoothly, but I just can't find a bigger truck! Finally, after years of searching to no avail, a German company called Krupp contacts me and tells me they want to sell me a Bagger 288: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Bagger-garzweiler.jpg

After seeing the price tag on that, as well as the manpower and skill requirements just to operate it, I tell them it's a bit out of my price range (that's an understatement!)

So, I finally sketch up a blueprint of what my business needs to move dirt to the next level, and show it to a vehicle manufacturing company. It looks something like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Conventional_18-wheeler_truck_diagram.PNG

They laugh at me! "What possible use could you have for that," they ask me, snickering impetuously. "If you want to move that amount of dirt," one of them pipes up, "then why don't you just get one of these to do it with?" http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacepictures/shuttle_endeavour.jpg
"That'll carry about the same amount you're trying to carry! Why make a new vehicle when there's a perfectly good vehicle already at your disposal?"

"Or howabout one of these," another one chimed in, "which are smaller than that Bagger 288 you couldn't afford?" http://www.pcdesktopwallpaper.com/albums/wallpapers-ships/Oil-Tanker-002.jpg

"We're sorry, we just don't understand how you could possibly find use for that 18-wheeler contraption you came up with when you have so many other great options to choose from!"