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Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:11:00 -
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Keeping the real mini-freighter discussion towards the top. HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |

Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:37:00 -
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Infinite Force wrote:Keeping the real mini-freighter discussion towards the top.
continuing from other discussion...
mini freighter thats cheaper is fine
mini freighter with fitting options, battleship tank, and all the other bells an whistles is not so fine without orca-like training |

Laurence Pinkitin
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.16 02:54:00 -
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+1. No logical reason not to have a Mid level Freighter. Hauling is a legit profession in EVE and the fact there is such as large jump in price and size for your next ship doesnt make sense. A mini freighter with a price tag of 200-300m isk sounds reasonable. |

Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.10.16 15:22:00 -
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something i mentioned in the other discussion was that a tier system may still work when it comes to freighters because their cost is still a significant factor when it comes to selection (or would be if there was a cheaper one) |

Lavitakus Bromier
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.16 15:34:00 -
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100000-200000 cargo Size is what I want to see. Alot less ehp Better align time Same speed ish...
And I don't think it should have slots for fittings.
Someday... |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
213
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Posted - 2012.10.19 20:38:00 -
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It really only needs to be big enough to carry one general freight container. That'll place it comfortably between industrials and freighters. I actually feel like there is enough room for two or three size classes in between them, but I'll take what I can get. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Caliguard Donnes
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.10.19 23:54:00 -
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Instead of a smaller, lighter freighter to haul a third of the cargo - I just wish they'd make cargo count towards the mass of the ship... want a smaller, lighter freighter - just don't carry as much stuff. |

Jaison Savrin
Remnants of the Forgotten Seekers of the Unseen
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Posted - 2012.10.24 05:01:00 -
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I have a hauling alt that is trained for freighter and an Orca. I wanted to do this because I'd rather AFK boost mining ops than mine. However, even so I would love to have a mid range freighter for my trader alt. The Charon is nice but it makes me sad when I undock with 150k m3 and know I have to deal with Charon speeds to get things moved. I think anywhere from 150k - 300k m3, 1/2 or 2/3 the EHP of a freighter, 35% - 50% more agility than a freighter, 50% the cost of a freighter and yet requiring the same skill path would be awesome. Maybe even make it take a separate, cheaper, faster training, skill as a freighter but with the same pre-requisites? I honestly think that would be amazing.
Maybe we could call the ship a Caravan and require a skill like "Caldari Caravan." Give it the exact same bonuses as a freighter, maybe an EHP bonus but that might be too far. Just have it have base numbers to reflect the size. I am wondering if it should require/be affected by "Advanced Spaceship Command" or just require "Spaceship Command" to 5. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
215
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Posted - 2012.10.26 05:33:00 -
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Jaison Savrin wrote:I am wondering if it should require/be affected by "Advanced Spaceship Command" or just require "Spaceship Command" to 5. Since the book is only 45 mil and we're talking about something we want in large part for agility, it should require ASC because then it can take advantage of it. If you skill ASC really high, then your mini-freighter will align pretty fast. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Jaison Savrin
Remnants of the Forgotten Seekers of the Unseen
56
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Posted - 2012.10.26 05:40:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Jaison Savrin wrote:I am wondering if it should require/be affected by "Advanced Spaceship Command" or just require "Spaceship Command" to 5. Since the book is only 45 mil and we're talking about something we want in large part for agility, it should require ASC because then it can take advantage of it. If you skill ASC really high, then your mini-freighter will align pretty fast.
Yeah, I actually only said that because I thought freighters got an agility bonus form the freighter skill. However, it is a velocity bonus. I was just afraid (in my original and flawed thought process) that ASC would give it too much agility. However, now that I double checked myself I do in fact agree ASC should be required and have an effect. |
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Britannica
Legion of Ghost
0
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Posted - 2012.11.13 13:24:00 -
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orca has bonus's to mining foreman links, survey scanner range. skills needed include mining, mining barge, astrogeology, mining foreman, mining director. and it has an ORE hold of 50,000m2.
while it does have a base 40k cargo before skills are applied, corp hanger and maintenance bay to allow it to be a somewhat decent hauler the skills and bonus's show its primary purpose is a mining gang support ship.
a mini freighter could be added, though I'd rather see the current haulers T1 and T2 meet the tiericide and one of those get a good cargo boost to cover the gap and as suggested in an earlier post it could be the DSTs that get it |

Akatenshi Xi
Elite Shadow Society ESS Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.11.13 13:52:00 -
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Everyone keeps going back to the Orca, just stop it. Not everyone who wants to be a trader wants to start training into leadership skills and mining stuff now do they? Just because there is a ship with reasonable amount of cargo space doesn't mean it just fits.
We need a better stepping stone from Tier 1 Industrial Ships to Capital Class Industrial Ships, in the theme of freighters/hauling. While you're at it Indy needs more ships period. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
231
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Posted - 2012.11.24 09:23:00 -
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shameless bump
also,Akatenshi Xi wrote:While you're at it Indy needs more ships period. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Commander Ted
Dookie on the flowah
60
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Posted - 2012.11.24 15:26:00 -
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give it more ehp in armor and shields to boot, that way to can go along with my idea in my signature and be viable. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
231
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Posted - 2012.11.24 23:12:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:give it more ehp in armor and shields to boot, that way to can go along with my idea in my signature and be viable.
I'd like to see it be possible to put equipment on both full-size freighters and mini-freighters. Of course, simply adding slots to them without changing anything else will throw everything out of whack. But this whole freighters-have-no-slots thing just takes a lot of the work out of protecting your shipments, and turns cargo runs into "may God have mercy on me today".
Maybe if they had a bunch of shields and mid slots, but no low slots, it would work. They don't need any significant amount of powergrid. Just enough to run hardeners and shield rechargers is plenty. I say no low slots because people would just put cargo expanders in them, and the damage control module would become the apex module of freighter tanking. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Commander Ted
Dookie on the flowah
61
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Posted - 2012.11.24 23:52:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Commander Ted wrote:give it more ehp in armor and shields to boot, that way to can go along with my idea in my signature and be viable. I'd like to see it be possible to put equipment on both full-size freighters and mini-freighters. Of course, simply adding slots to them without changing anything else will throw everything out of whack. But this whole freighters-have-no-slots thing just takes a lot of the work out of protecting your shipments, and turns cargo runs into "may God have mercy on me today". Maybe if they had a bunch of shields and mid slots, but no low slots, it would work. They don't need any significant amount of powergrid. Just enough to run hardeners and shield rechargers is plenty. I say no low slots because people would just put cargo expanders in them, and the damage control module would become the apex module of freighter tanking.
perhaps these new freighters wouldn't have all their EHP in structure like the current ones. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |

Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
562
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Posted - 2012.12.28 20:45:00 -
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Keeping this near the top! HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |

Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
184
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Posted - 2012.12.28 21:35:00 -
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Seconding the DST revamp idea.
They are on the skill path to freighter, are underused in their current form, and require skill investment (transports skill) to fully utilize. Ideally, they could be made to fit either their current role, or the mini freighter role, depending on fitting. Or add a 3rd ship to the Transport class if that just won't work out. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
324
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Posted - 2012.12.29 11:33:00 -
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Ines Tegator wrote:Seconding the DST revamp idea.
They are on the skill path to freighter, are underused in their current form, and require skill investment (transports skill) to fully utilize. Ideally, they could be made to fit either their current role, or the mini freighter role, depending on fitting. Or add a 3rd ship to the Transport class if that just won't work out. I agree. I think DST HP should be increased substantially to make them actually useful as a cargo protector, and then there should be a third transport just for large shipments which could ferry around 60,000m3 or something like that.
Amarr could use a third industrial anyway, and Caldari want their Badger Mark III implemented already!! -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
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