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Izzy Lizzy
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:03:00 -
[211]
 Originally by: Darkeen
I am willing to bet that 90% of these "Compensation" whiners are Americans who live by sueing everyone for their own stupidity....
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  I doubt it. But then again, maybe I'm not as clairvoyant as you.
Originally by: Darkeen
Play the game or dont just dont share your Epic Fail whine threads with ANYONE!
Same could be said for your stereotyping of nationalities, so shove it.
cheers 
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Dream Weaver
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:26:00 -
[212]
Dev 1, Hey where is the DVD for the patch?
Dev 2, Oh uhhh I think I left it in the bar last night.
Dev 3, No worries, it is saved on Drive J.
Dev 1, Isn't that the Drive that died last night?
Dev 2, Oops, looks like we have a unforeseen network issue.
Hope all of you at CCP have a sense of humor.  Looking foward to the patch when it is ready and all of you have a merry Christmas.
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Nenai Nemutaimus
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:29:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Nenai Nemutaimus on 10/12/2008 23:30:01
Apparently the patch for MAC OS was completed, as I certainly downloaded something humongous to the client a short while ago. I still await all the exciting changes and fixes this latest will bring to my VISTA POS. Although tempted by my very nature to carp when delays happen, CCP's genius in producing a game as engrossing and addictive as EVE allows me to chill while the techs do the fine-tuning as needed.
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Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente
Infinite Order
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:48:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Jed Clampett
I entirely agree that the CCP people handling the PR during down times have tendency to lie and be rude. The rudeness probably comes form reading too many of the posts.CCP should probably have two people assigned to PR -- (1) one to read posts and get all riled up and (2) one to write posts that inform people on how well things are going compared to the pre-downtime timetable. If #1 comes up with anything really needing a response, it should be written by #2.
It comes from lack of professional attitude. As someone who works in management I see this behaviour coming from people who don't have a professional outlook to their work. Working with the public requires detachment. If these people are getting emotional reading complaints then they need to change job and stop pretending they can deal with it, or learn to deal with it and get good at their job. It's really that simple.
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I did find appalling stupid on a previous downtime when a developer jumped all over a guy for saying CCP was going to miss the deadline when there was a 8 whole minutes left. Obviously the developer was lying through his teeth about it still being realistic to meet that deadline. After all it takes the servers at least 10 minutes to reboot and that hadn't even started. For downtimes CCP needs to stop denying the obvious things and being open and honest where they really are in time table and checklists of events. They might get 3% less flak. 
Agreed. This is basically what I am alluding to when I say that they treat people like they are doing them a favour rather than providing a paid for product.
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But those of you who demand perfection and 0% downtimes? Well CCP needs about 3-4 times as much money to do that and still make some profit. Then we can have 3 full-blown real time server setups: 1 to play on, 1 for testing all software 100% realistically before deployment, and 1 for spare in case something happens to either of the others. Oh and the staff to man at least 2 of those full time and run daily or weekly checks on the third. Anyone want to ante up their accounts that way and the extra fee on mine as well?
You're talking perfect world, rather than realism but I agree with your points in essence.
As someone who has done a bit of programming I know it is all too easy to make simple mistakes. I've spent more than a few hours of my life tracking down missing semi-colons/asterisks/ampersands/brackets/parentheses, mispellings, two lines of code written in the wrong order etc. It happens. To err is human. I accept there are unscheduled/extended downtimes.
What I don't accept is a simple piece of code missing from the accounts service that credits accounts back the time that is lost during these extra downtimes. It's simply not hard to do.
Also, there is the issue of them calling it a "free expansion". It isn't free when it eats into people's paid for time (and eats more time when they have to patch it). They should either stop calling it free (because it isn't) or actually make it free and credit the time back on peoples accounts.
Take this current update and the ensuing patches. How long have they beed down in total implementing it? Let's say 24 hours for arguments sake.
24 hours x 200,000+/- is a potential 200,000+/- days of downtime, or more than 3300 game time codes. All paid for by Joe Public because whether you're online or not, that game time has gone. At nearly $40 a time code. $132,000 is no longer small potatoes.
I read your reply to the phone companys thing. The point I was trying to eliminate is that when phone companys reimburse they don't say "well at any given time there are not more than 40,000 people using the phones so we'll only credit back those 40,000 people" they have to credit their entire userbase, so the argument that only 40,000 people online is baseless.
cheers
"Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up" |
Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente
Infinite Order
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:54:00 -
[215]
Originally by: KW Mech
Geez, next everybody is gonna want CCP to pay them back for all the gaming they missed while they were sleeping!!
Err, sleep? What's that?
cheers
"Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up" |
Monkey Saturday
Unknown Soldiers
Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:39:00 -
[216]
Merry Christmas from CCP.
You're all banned!
What ferrogel? 
Thanks for the Maulus BPO nerf! :D |
Jean Shade
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:40:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus
Originally by: Jed Clampett
I entirely agree that the CCP people handling the PR during down times have tendency to lie and be rude. The rudeness probably comes form reading too many of the posts.CCP should probably have two people assigned to PR -- (1) one to read posts and get all riled up and (2) one to write posts that inform people on how well things are going compared to the pre-downtime timetable. If #1 comes up with anything really needing a response, it should be written by #2.
It comes from lack of professional attitude. As someone who works in management I see this behaviour coming from people who don't have a professional outlook to their work. Working with the public requires detachment. If these people are getting emotional reading complaints then they need to change job and stop pretending they can deal with it, or learn to deal with it and get good at their job. It's really that simple.
Not necessarily. As something called 'senior developer', I have to say this behavior can easily be caused by pulling long hours, when you just get sick and tired of everything you have to put up with. No matter how professional a person is, there is a breaking point.
Detachment works only part of the way -- you always risk crossing to the I-do-not-care-land, which is the point you should be ditched from the project for obvious reasons.
I view the terse information coming from CCP as an 'explaining takes too much time' attitude to announcement, which could probably be solved by having a dedicated PR team working closely with the techs. Assuming the PR people skip the usual BS they tend to circulate.
From the point of view of a person well-versed with high availability systems in high-volume environments, I see little technical benefit to any downtime at all. I can scarcely imagine activities which would require daily system-wide outage. An upgrade process where you control all of the components (as in: server and client) does not require any significant downtime -- the key here is 'compatible change first'. Besides, in a project of EVE's size and longevity, I would expect a rather extensive regression and feature test suite being run by QA before an upgrade even got to management for approval/ And then do a gradual deployment -- it was possible with EVE64, right?
That being said I have to say that I have seen worse quality day-to-day operations than CCP's. But I have seen way better, too.
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Vasrel Por
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:15:00 -
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I still can't log into the game. I get to "Acquiring Bulk Data 5/38" then the game crashes to desktop. Does anyone have any ideas how to fix this??
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Rezard
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:47:00 -
[219]
Ok now i want MMVIII Snowballs please.... :p
Well i guess with all the lag there is now, giving us snowballs again wont be the same as fun :p
I know patch day is always upseting, but I doubt you guys want to keep on working more hours than you should, I know that because where I work I always have to ask for maintenance windows to deply patches or fixes, and its unfair to say you are screwing it on purpose.
And it is not bad, not as before.... when we had like 3 days without Eve, xD, chill out newborne ones, ;)
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Circuit Sorcerer
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:10:00 -
[220]
Damned glad I had to work during all that down time, however I am very looking forward to the posting of the new patch.
One question: does have Nvidia Graphics Card improvements?
CircuitSorcerer - "Ride the Lightning!"
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Thorson Wiles
Minmatar
M3 Co-Op
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:10:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Vasrel Por
I still can't log into the game. I get to "Acquiring Bulk Data 5/38" then the game crashes to desktop. Does anyone have any ideas how to fix this??
CCP Wrangler has a stickey for your problem:
Bulk Data Issues
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UnDeRBaLaNcE
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:28:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 10/12/2008 15:41:50
Hmm, interesting.
I saw there was no patch update upon startup.
also: lol at the people who installed the patch already before CCP released it.
Actually i installed the patch while they were in DT and i can still play eve with the patch installed.
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:15:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Tranka Verrane on 11/12/2008 03:16:30
I completely agree with all the complainers. It's disgraceful the amount of time that has been lost due to this downtime. Eve is the worst value multiplayer game online.
Oh. But there is this other one, which is sharded so you don't get to speak to everyone, that charges more per month, that has poor feedback and customer service, that doesn't update its website correctly, and, most importantly, charges another fee, on top of the original fee to pay for the game, and monthly fees, for expansions.
Be Grateful. Things could be much, much worse.
Ingame: Channels&Mailing lists>Channels>Join>PVE>OK |
Mother Commander
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:04:00 -
[224]
Is this the patch that reverses the QR patch and makes the game fun again? Only 4 hours left until my last account goes down. Sure wish someone would start a pre QR patch server at CCP so I can fly my ceptors again and have fun, this game sure sucks now. Merry Christmas hope Iceland melts and all that.
Enjoy your time in Eve, I sure did was a good 3 year run. 
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Devil Puppet
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:15:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Mother Commander
Is this the patch that reverses the QR patch and makes the game fun again? Only 4 hours left until my last account goes down. Sure wish someone would start a pre QR patch server at CCP so I can fly my ceptors again and have fun, this game sure sucks now. Merry Christmas hope Iceland melts and all that.
Enjoy your time in Eve, I sure did was a good 3 year run.
Can I have your stuff? |
Lunas Whisper
Minmatar
The Centurions
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:17:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Jackie Fisher
Originally by: TimMc
lol I love how completely unforgiving the eve community is.
But its our Christmas present!
Like coming downstairs on 25th December and finding a note saying owing to chimney issues beyond our control Christmas is cancelled.
roflmao
United we stand, divided we fall. |
Lunas Whisper
Minmatar
The Centurions
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:31:00 -
[227]
Originally by: KW Mech
Geez, next everybody is gonna want CCP to pay them back for all the gaming they missed while they were sleeping!!
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
United we stand, divided we fall. |
Pure Manergy
Gallente
The Sobani
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:57:00 -
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What I don't accept is a simple piece of code missing from the accounts service that credits accounts back the time that is lost during these extra downtimes. It's simply not hard to do.
Also, there is the issue of them calling it a "free expansion". It isn't free when it eats into people's paid for time (and eats more time when they have to patch it). They should either stop calling it free (because it isn't) or actually make it free and credit the time back on peoples accounts.
Take this current update and the ensuing patches. How long have they beed down in total implementing it? Let's say 24 hours for arguments sake.
24 hours x 200,000+/- is a potential 200,000+/- days of downtime, or more than 3300 game time codes. All paid for by Joe Public because whether you're online or not, that game time has gone. At nearly $40 a time code. $132,000 is no longer small potatoes.
I read your reply to the phone companys thing. The point I was trying to eliminate is that when phone companys reimburse they don't say "well at any given time there are not more than 40,000 people using the phones so we'll only credit back those 40,000 people" they have to credit their entire userbase, so the argument that only 40,000 people online is baseless.
Ok, really? So, by the 15 dollars you spend a month to run one account, the downtime and free patches you receive isn't good enough? Quite whining and play, or better yet. Leave. You would be doing most of the community a favor.
Thanks CCP, for creating an enriching and wonderful game I can't stop playing. Do what you gotta do to make it right.
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This is the way the world ends;
This is the way the world ends;
Not with a bang, but a whimper.
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Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:57:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Edited by: Tranka Verrane on 11/12/2008 03:16:30
I completely agree with all the complainers. It's disgraceful the amount of time that has been lost due to this downtime. Eve is the worst value multiplayer game online.
Oh. But there is this other one, which is sharded so you don't get to speak to everyone, that charges more per month, that has poor feedback and customer service, that doesn't update its website correctly, and, most importantly, charges another fee, on top of the original fee to pay for the game, and monthly fees, for expansions.
Be Grateful. Things could be much, much worse.
As a 3 year veteran of EVE and all it's patch days, I endorse this anti-troll of one of the better MMOs in the world.
I come from a time when a 3 day downtime was not uncommon for large patches.
I am almost as ****ed off as the developers/PR people that have to listen to complaints about the Quality of Service. I don't care what your credentials are, until you administer a cluster the size of tranquility, STFU. The last thing they need is a bunch of whiney customers *****ing about when they get their game time back. The more complaints/petitions/questions they have to answer, the less time they get to spend making my game better. I will say again, STFU and quit yer *****in'! They're upgrading the hamsters as fast as they can. 
I wouldn't expect anything less from this company.
Also, if you want your game time back, go back to wow, reduce the lag, and give your stuff to me. 
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John Hollow
Minmatar
Afterisk
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:01:00 -
[230]
Wow...this out of control thread. Anyway, I think this is a good thing. I'd be upset if the patch didn't work, and am glad they are not releasing it and letting us work out the bugs, but are waiting until the issues are resolved.
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Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:03:00 -
[231]
Edited by: Mikron Alexarr on 11/12/2008 06:03:39
Originally by: Mother Commander
Edited by: Mother Commander on 11/12/2008 04:21:54
Is this the patch that reverses the QR patch and makes the game fun again? Only 4 hours left until my last account goes down. Sure wish someone would start a pre QR patch server at CCP so I can fly my ceptors again and have fun, this game sure sucks now. Merry Christmas hope Iceland melts and all that.
Enjoy your time in Eve, I sure did was a good 3 year run.
Oh for the trolling tards asking for stuff, burn in hell for me. Thanks.
[ ] IBDS
[ ] IBTL
[x] Can I have your stuff?
[ ] Go back to WoW.
[ ] Hello Kitty >>> That way.
[ ] It's a Templar, an Amarr fighter.
[ ] STFU
[ ] Post with your main
[ ] .
[ ] Signed!
[ ] WINS TEH TOPIC!
[ ] Bump
[x] /fail
[ ] (Kitten thumbnail)
[x] No one cares
[ ] Needs new Hampsters
[x] Flame
[ ] Nerf OP
[x] SPARTA!
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Winters Chill
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:43:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Mikron Alexarr
[ ] IBDS
[ ] IBTL
[x] Can I have your stuff?
[ ] Go back to WoW.
[ ] Hello Kitty >>> That way.
[ ] It's a Templar, an Amarr fighter.
[ ] STFU
[ ] Post with your main
[ ] .
[ ] Signed!
[ ] WINS TEH TOPIC!
[ ] Bump
[x] /fail
[ ] (Kitten thumbnail)
[x] No one cares
[ ] Needs new Hampsters
[x] Flame
[ ] Nerf OP
[x] SPARTA!
You forgot:-
X is an Y is an X
What? Is something wrong with Moon Mining?
Military Experts are calling this an X
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thenew one
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:54:00 -
[233]
Doesnt anyone find it odd the same day a patch doesnt get done is the same day ccp banned more then a few accounts, removed sell orders from marker of complex reaction items? Due to a 4yr old exploit yes thats right a 4yr old exploit allowing unlimited ferrogel and other T2 mins production. Some people makeing 2,500 - 3,000 Billion or for those that cant count thats realy Trillions of isk. Now they want to say we had a problem server side a uddy of mine has a few handfulls of people now missiing from is buddy list, i have seen orders gone from the forge region i know where in the millions of units for sell there b4 DT after dt gone. So why do u think u must lie to everyone ccp and just come right out and say we messed up bigger then anything in eve? Letting these people run this exploit for 4 YEARS+. Wheres my trillions of isk for free, my 4yrs of free game play, my free capital and super capital ships? Yes u took the ones they had away but what about all the stuff they had b4 this so called patch that u didnt take? No i know CCP wont like this post and most likely with in an hr of me posting this it will be removed and if they do that then we know what im saying is true cos they wont want other to see this post think and ask where is my free stuff also!?!?!?
P.S. Note to ccp this has been copyed to a note pad file for easy reposting. |
splintercellxxx
Gallente
Mindstar Technology
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:32:00 -
[234]
Originally by: thenew one
Doesnt anyone find it odd the same day a patch doesnt get done is the same day ccp banned more then a few accounts, removed sell orders from marker of complex reaction items? Due to a 4yr old exploit yes thats right a 4yr old exploit allowing unlimited ferrogel and other T2 mins production. Some people makeing 2,500 - 3,000 Billion or for those that cant count thats realy Trillions of isk. Now they want to say we had a problem server side a uddy of mine has a few handfulls of people now missiing from is buddy list, i have seen orders gone from the forge region i know where in the millions of units for sell there b4 DT after dt gone. So why do u think u must lie to everyone ccp and just come right out and say we messed up bigger then anything in eve? Letting these people run this exploit for 4 YEARS+. Wheres my trillions of isk for free, my 4yrs of free game play, my free capital and super capital ships? Yes u took the ones they had away but what about all the stuff they had b4 this so called patch that u didnt take? No i know CCP wont like this post and most likely with in an hr of me posting this it will be removed and if they do that then we know what im saying is true cos they wont want other to see this post think and ask where is my free stuff also!?!?!?
P.S. Note to ccp this has been copyed to a note pad file for easy reposting.
please elaborate what was the exploit ?
will this mean ferrogel etc wil go up in price again ?
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Blackcamper
Gallente
Corax.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:55:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Blackcamper on 11/12/2008 09:04:16
Edited by: Blackcamper on 11/12/2008 09:01:13
Hi all..
frist i like to say to many of you are realy unhappy play eve, ore it soundes like it..
it is very sad the the pacth did not com out as plan. but one that ahoter hand have you never done some work for a person that was not done on time..
And i don't care about a snowball luncher, ore a xmess gift.
If ccp can just fix the game so i can play for more then 4 hours,
run 2 claints at a time.
and when i oppen, to see info on a player that eve dos not stal for 10 - 20 sec
better market interface.
Now ccp, some words for you.. test you stuf more befor giving it to us. Sins i starte playing, about 2 years ago.. all the pacths you have lunch have badder then the privios. more test, and then some more to make sure you don't giv us a crapy game to play. you rep is very low at the ATM, so ccp you need to man up. and do the work that is needet.
Fly safe if you like to do that.
Camper |
thenew one
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:06:00 -
[236]
The exploit was unlimited production of ferrogel and other t2 mins but no in put cost. There was a bug in the production system that if set up right u put in put mins in and again if done right they wasnt used yet u still was getting output T2 mins. This has been going on for 4+ years and ccp was told about it when it was first found out about soon after pos stuff was added yet they more then droped the ball on this one and done nothing and let who knows how many players, corps, and maybe and mostly alliance gain ships, outposts, 0 .0 sov and other assets they normaly wouldnt have gained if it wasnt for the unlimited T2 mins production or unlimited isk income productionyou pick witch u want to call it. As for the cost ferrogel has already jump in price Good news for me
Again copyed for easy reposting ccp |
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