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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:37:00 -
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This thread is making my eyes bleed.
Some people will move on to newer forums. That is the way of internet games and its associated forums. Change!
The EBank forum will probably be more structured towards actual financing of businesses and banking and some theoretical economic discussion, while this forum will have a much broader scope.
ScrapHeap Challenge has its place for politics, PVP and other things.
Both forums will have their place, it is up to the individual to post where they post to find the answers they need or the potential customers or investors they want.
Only time will tell what business is conducted where.
Now can we move on to more constructive things, please!
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Rho'varo
Minmatar
Diversified Operational Services
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:40:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Robacz
Originally by: Cheopis
MD veterans leaving this forum - what effect will it have?
Less EBank threads?
Perhaps you mean "fewer EBank threads"?
Nothing personal, Robacz: just doing my part to make sure that there's no reduction in patronising pedantry.
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CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:54:00 -
[93]
Purrplecksing. Moar troll-fest threads puhleeze. |
Atima
Minmatar
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:06:00 -
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Ive read this forum since i started eve, aspiring to become like some around here. However recently most have acted like children, i don't even see what the major issue is here?
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc
Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:15:00 -
[95]
Edited by: flakeys on 18/12/2008 22:16:38
Originally by: Atima
Ive read this forum since i started eve, aspiring to become like some around here. However recently most have acted like children, i don't even see what the major issue is here?
I feel exactly the same way.Some people take this game and the status they 'built up' WAY too serious.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:20:00 -
[96]
Originally by: flakeys
Edited by: flakeys on 18/12/2008 22:16:38
Originally by: Atima
Ive read this forum since i started eve, aspiring to become like some around here. However recently most have acted like children, i don't even see what the major issue is here?
I feel exactly the same way.Some people take this game and the status they 'built up' WAY too serious.
I'm gonna try and answer both of these posts in one go, but only because I have a bit of respect for you flakeys.
This has NOTHING to do with status. It has to do with what the individuals that are leaving believe has happened to the MD forums. The quality versus quantity argument. When the "how do i make isk" or "what item should i sell to make isk" posts start coming in waves it does get a bit annoying. The information is there in the stickies or in the threads themselves(Eve-search ftw). A few people had a problem with the new placement and the waves of noobs that don't want to do any real work. They complained about it and got called elitist. They could stay and deal with it or leave. They made the choice to leave. I think if it was bothering them enough being here then they made the right decision and it has nothing to do with being an elitist or elder or any sort of perceived status.
I know most wouldn't consider me to be an elitist yet I am annoyed by the posts asking which items to trade to make l33t amounts of isk. Since that annoys me, does that make me an elitist? No.
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SencneS
Amarr
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:47:00 -
[97]
You know I read this thread and though... ummm how can anyone speak for Mitnal.
Then I though... Mitnal has indicated that IPOs belong in this forum.
This Thread started by Mitnal himself contained things like this....
Originally by: "Mitnal"
ò "Guide to IPO Creation"
ò Guide to trust, reputation, and getting funding.
ò Defined Stock and Bond models for the EVE Market
A guide to the EVE Financial Instruments often mentioned in MD.
ò A Guide to Options for Raising Public and Private Capital
A further guide to the EVE Financial Instruments often mentioned in MD.
ò An IPO Guide
Linked in OP, but a handy link here. The title says it all.
ò Official IPO Template
A handy link here. The title says it all.
ò Publically Listed Corporations and other useful links
Loans and Banking Institutions
ò Get Your Loans Here!
One of those links goes here.
A list of a majority if IPOS discussed all on this very forum.
So how could anyone possibly have any thought that Mitnal and therefor CCP did NOT intend the Market Discussion forum be used this way?
SencneS
Board of Directors of Two Public Corporations mentioned in a sticky thread created by Mitnal.
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SunGod RA
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:02:00 -
[98]
the real question though, is
WHY DIDNT EBANK RUN WITH THE ISKIES YET?
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Mohram
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:02:00 -
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Say what you want about where this forum should be. Hexxx leaving does not make this place better. But like all things, someone will step up to fill the void left. Someone always does so I think in the long term it will adjust, as markets do.
I'm just a lurker though.
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Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:06:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Damien Jax
While the "elders" have left here
OMG. You make it sound like they walk on water. These forums wil become what it was intended to be. A discussion on how the market works. Not a play thing for a select few IPO announcements and other hogwash.
For YEARS these jokers have plagued this forum with IPO spam where it SHOULD have been in the sell forums. once CCP allowed that crap in here... next came quarterly announcements... directors 'retirements' and all sorts of off-topic garbage.
Moving this rat-trap riff raff posting off the CCP website is a good thing and long overdue. I wish them well but good riddence.
Now this forum can trend back to it's intended audience. Everyone other than the 'elders'. IMHO.
Taikun
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh STFU
Originally by: Frenden Dax
My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Nicole Maher
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:07:00 -
[101]
Hexxx is leaving eve.
How is that relevant to this thread?
Would the addition of a forum search feature (built into the official forums) help do you think? I think we could reduce maybe 50% of the random threads with replies such as "search n00b" by this addition.
I'm no db guru but surely the load increase is acceptable if default search is only posts from last 12 months, with option to search entire forum DB in advanced options only.
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SencneS
Amarr
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:14:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Nicole Maher
Hexxx is leaving eve.
How is that relevant to this thread?
Because the thread is about the Secondary Market.
Hexxx has mentioned he most certainly wants to be involved in helping people create and maintain good solid IPO models etc.
Yes, he may not be in EVE anymore, but the resource is still available for those that want to nibble the the knowledge base.
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:20:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Mohram
Say what you want about where this forum should be. Hexxx leaving does not make this place better. But like all things, someone will step up to fill the void left. Someone always does so I think in the long term it will adjust, as markets do.
I'm just a lurker though.
Who the frack is Hexxx and why should I care what he has to say? I've been playing EvE for two years and somehow I got by without worshiping Hexx, Treelox, Shar Tegral, or any of the other departed "Jedi" masters. Don't we have enough demagogues in real life? Why do we have to bring them here? Seriously, no offense to any of the mentioned "elders" but I have done just fine without their help and neither my gameplay nor the gameplay of 99.9% of the EvE community will be affected by these people's temper tantrums.
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Cheopis
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
One Stop Research
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:23:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: VJ Maverick
While I agree that the secondary market is arguably part of the overall MD umbrella of discussable topics, it seems that the "elders" have gotten their heads stuck too far up their collective rectums and somehow decided that the secondary market is the ONLY worthy topic for MD to the exclusion of all others. Any newcomers asking here for help or guidance are in for some serious punishment if they dare ask the "wrong" question. The arrogance exhibited here is outright astounding and would make even the hard core thugs in C&P blush. Honestly, it takes a seriously depraved self-esteem to create an ivory tower elite in a VIDEO GAME!!!! Frack the "elders" and their self-important attitude. Good riddance.
Not true, many of us have started a number of threads that contain information any newcomer seeks, and recently since the move have started a megathread where questions can be asked and answers reviewed before answering something redundant.
All some of us ask is that you check the stickies and use eve-search before asking. Most of the time the answer has already been posted.
It is a ironclad rule of the universe that most newbies will not look before posting their questions on forums. Expecting this is foolish. It's pleasant when they do of course, but it's quite simply outside the norm to see any evidence of research before a post.
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SencneS
Amarr
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:25:00 -
[105]
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Said stuff
I love how people come stomping into the back yards of others with no idea on who or where they are and declaring everyone else unimportant to them.
Imagine if I came into somewhere you spent a lot of time, a community that knows you, and loves you, and I say "Who the hell is this person, he is nothing to me and shouldn't mean anything to anyone else."
I have to say you did make me laugh because your ignorance is so unbelievable, it's pure comedy gold reading it.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:36:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
The only effect will be that we remaining veterans will be come worshipped beyond even your wildest imaginings.
Lol 
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:46:00 -
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Since you decided to toss my name into this fray: Originally by: VJ Maverick
Who the frack is Hexxx and why should I care what he has to say?
You don't have to give a crap about who Hexxx is. However why do you feel the need to crap on him or other supposed "elite/vets"? (Don't answer as I'm only being rhetorical - I really don't care) Originally by: VJ Maverick
I've been playing EvE for two years and somehow I got by without worshiping Hexx, Treelox, Shar Tegral, or any of the other departed "Jedi" masters. Seriously, no offense to any of the mentioned "elders" but I have done just fine without their help
Good for you mate. Of course I'm going to take your statement with a grain of salt. To my mind you are obviously an alt, obviously needy, and obviously bitter. This is the interwebz, everyone is telling the truth when they are beating their chest like you just did. Originally by: VJ Maverick
Don't we have enough demagogues in real life? Why do we have to bring them here?
The best way to remove the pedestal out from under someone is to reveal something unsavory about them or to let their memory fade quietly. All your current efforts are doing is quite firmly fixating the "demigods" in the minds of people. After all, if they are worth you embarrassing yourself so thoroughly over them ... In essence, you are making their leaving of note by acting the fool. Originally by: VJ Maverick
neither my gameplay nor the gameplay of 99.9% of the EvE community will be affected by these people's temper tantrums.
And you are proof positive that temper tantrums have zero effect on gameplay. However, the only tantrum I've seen are from "other" people. People like yourself. Of course, after treading through this abortion of a thread (which no amount of reporting seems to slow down or emails to [email protected]), the only thing that I am curious about is this: What the hell is your problem? Honest. If some people want to talk about the positives and negatives of occurances and/or absences... what harm does it do you? I mean I get it - you don't like "us" (whoever this special us really is) - but what I don't get is the trollathon that has become this thread. I mean this seriously without any spite or malice. And I don't care if you take this with good or ill intent. I'm gonna say a prayer for you. PS: I'm not elite, I'm not rich nor am I well connected to anyone. Hell, I'm rather well disliked. What I am is a cranky old man that says it like it is. I don't give a rat's ass about you respecting me or if I give you respect. I respect myself first, foremost, and last. Everything else after that is conditional and sometimes totally outside my control.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:48:00 -
[108]
Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Said stuff
Imagine if I came into somewhere you spent a lot of time, a community that knows you, and loves you, and I say "Who the hell is this person, he is nothing to me and shouldn't mean anything to anyone else."
I have to say you did make me laugh because your ignorance is so unbelievable, it's pure comedy gold reading it.
You're completely insane. I didn't come to your house, your workplace, your place of worship, etc and drill you with my POV. I came to a PUBLIC internet forum. You're claiming dominion over a virtual environment that exists only as ones and zeroes on a server in Iceland! Those ones and zeroes may know you and love you and do whatever else it is you fantasize ones and zeroes doing to you, but guess what, they mean nothing to me. This is not a closed community. If you want a closed forum where you can all lick each other's virtual *******s, be my guest. Go ahead and make one. But for as long as we're all paying to play this game, the EvE forums belong to everyone - not just a few who want to exclude others from their discussions.
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Mohram
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:50:00 -
[109]
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Who the frack is Hexxx and why should I care what he has to say? I've been playing EvE for two years and somehow I got by without worshiping Hexx, Treelox, Shar Tegral, or any of the other departed "Jedi" masters. Don't we have enough demagogues in real life? Why do we have to bring them here? Seriously, no offense to any of the mentioned "elders" but I have done just fine without their help and neither my gameplay nor the gameplay of 99.9% of the EvE community will be affected by these people's temper tantrums.
I in no way worship the man, I respect the hell out of him though.
Why? Because he knows his stuff and had NO problem with imparting that to anyone that asked.
If you want to know who he is and why you should care. Look him up. I'm sure you've done well without anyone but yourself, good for you. This is a community though and with all communities there will be people that are more knowledgable and more helpful then most members of that group. Hexxx was one of those people. Don't worry though if it would help your ego some, had you done the same things I would be using your name here. But I do have to say that after reading your post, I'm doubting that will happen.
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:56:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
stuff
Look, you clearly took my post personally because you were named. The naming was not intended to single you out for contempt. I merely listed the names that were included in the OP's post. For all I know, you are knowledgeable, competent, and respected. But I've never had the chance to deal with you to learn that. Perhaps someday I will. However, I will always resist anyone's attempt to elevate anyone to the point where their leaving the game or the forums is something I should automatically be concerned about. So no particular offense to you, Shar Tegral, I just have a problem with this artificially imposed stratification of the forums.
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:01:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Mohram
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Who the frack is Hexxx and why should I care what he has to say? I've been playing EvE for two years and somehow I got by without worshiping Hexx, Treelox, Shar Tegral, or any of the other departed "Jedi" masters. Don't we have enough demagogues in real life? Why do we have to bring them here? Seriously, no offense to any of the mentioned "elders" but I have done just fine without their help and neither my gameplay nor the gameplay of 99.9% of the EvE community will be affected by these people's temper tantrums.
I in no way worship the man, I respect the hell out of him though.
Why? Because he knows his stuff and had NO problem with imparting that to anyone that asked.
If you want to know who he is and why you should care. Look him up. I'm sure you've done well without anyone but yourself, good for you. This is a community though and with all communities there will be people that are more knowledgable and more helpful then most members of that group. Hexxx was one of those people. Don't worry though if it would help your ego some, had you done the same things I would be using your name here. But I do have to say that after reading your post, I'm doubting that will happen.
That's the whole point. MD is not a community. MD is a a "clique." And this clique is vehemently resistant to outsiders and their contributions and questions. That's what needs to change.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:06:00 -
[112]
Originally by: VJ Maverick
MD is a a "clique." And this clique is vehemently resistant to outsiders and their contributions and questions. That's what needs to change.
Posting in another thread about elitism.
\o/
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:07:00 -
[113]
Originally by: VJ Maverick
So no particular offense to you, Shar Tegral, I just have a problem with this artificially imposed stratification of the forums.
I've taken no offense at all, just my usual blunt speech. The thing I don't understand is why do you need to challenge someone else's respect in another person? Especially regarding people that are leaving? Mind you I think that action by you is the most foolish thing of all. On par with the blind leading the blind. That is the only thing that boggles my mind... what are you getting out of all this investment you've typed here? If it is trolling, then you've over invested and I think when the interest payment comes due ... ... If it is some other well intentioned thing then perhaps you need to leave the thread alone for 24 hours and come back to it. Fresh so to speak. That's my advice for you and it's free. Any more will cost you. 
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Cheopis
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
One Stop Research
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:08:00 -
[114]
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Mohram
Say what you want about where this forum should be. Hexxx leaving does not make this place better. But like all things, someone will step up to fill the void left. Someone always does so I think in the long term it will adjust, as markets do.
I'm just a lurker though.
Who the frack is Hexxx and why should I care what he has to say? I've been playing EvE for two years and somehow I got by without worshiping Hexx, Treelox, Shar Tegral, or any of the other departed "Jedi" masters. Don't we have enough demagogues in real life? Why do we have to bring them here? Seriously, no offense to any of the mentioned "elders" but I have done just fine without their help and neither my gameplay nor the gameplay of 99.9% of the EvE community will be affected by these people's temper tantrums.
Your atitude is appropriate for a newbie forum. The fact that you completely and utterly miss the point is also appropriate for a newbie forum.
You might think it's elitism or snobbery that some people are leaving this forum. In some cases it might actually be exactly that. In many cases, however, it boils down to the fact that this forum used to be high finance roleplay, and now it's newbie Q & A.
High finance is not well supported ingame. There are no meaningful permanent public records ingame, nor any way to track dozens of investor offers easily. The MD forums were an answer to that, and a place where like minded people could roleplay and play EVE their way.
You don't really need respect in a Q & A forum. You do need it in a roleplay forum. The greatest weakness of your viewpoint is that you simply refuse to acknowledge that what this forum was and what it is are completely and utterly different. To you, there is no value to what existed before because, by your own admission, you were not involved. All that matters to YOU is what is. You don't feel betrayed by CCP because you don't care about the roleplay community that you were never a part of getting uprooted and destroyed.
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:14:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: VJ Maverick
So no particular offense to you, Shar Tegral, I just have a problem with this artificially imposed stratification of the forums.
I've taken no offense at all, just my usual blunt speech. The thing I don't understand is why do you need to challenge someone else's respect in another person? Especially regarding people that are leaving? Mind you I think that action by you is the most foolish thing of all. On par with the blind leading the blind. That is the only thing that boggles my mind... what are you getting out of all this investment you've typed here? If it is trolling, then you've over invested and I think when the interest payment comes due ... ... If it is some other well intentioned thing then perhaps you need to leave the thread alone for 24 hours and come back to it. Fresh so to speak. That's my advice for you and it's free. Any more will cost you.
The answer to your question is simple. I am an agitator. I like to stir the pot. I like to look BS in the face and call it "BS. And frankly, this controversy over the MD elite leaving the forums or the game is utter BS.
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Mohram
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:17:00 -
[116]
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Mohram
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Who the frack is Hexxx and why should I care what he has to say? I've been playing EvE for two years and somehow I got by without worshiping Hexx, Treelox, Shar Tegral, or any of the other departed "Jedi" masters. Don't we have enough demagogues in real life? Why do we have to bring them here? Seriously, no offense to any of the mentioned "elders" but I have done just fine without their help and neither my gameplay nor the gameplay of 99.9% of the EvE community will be affected by these people's temper tantrums.
I in no way worship the man, I respect the hell out of him though.
Why? Because he knows his stuff and had NO problem with imparting that to anyone that asked.
If you want to know who he is and why you should care. Look him up. I'm sure you've done well without anyone but yourself, good for you. This is a community though and with all communities there will be people that are more knowledgable and more helpful then most members of that group. Hexxx was one of those people. Don't worry though if it would help your ego some, had you done the same things I would be using your name here. But I do have to say that after reading your post, I'm doubting that will happen.
That's the whole point. MD is not a community. MD is a a "clique." And this clique is vehemently resistant to outsiders and their contributions and questions. That's what needs to change.
MD is definitely a community, evidenced by ALL the varying view points.
And I've seen lots of helpful posts. I've also seen not constructive posts. This is the internet you're going to get that. And if I were dilligent I would look up his specific name but I believe it is AC115 or something like that that started a post encouraging people to ask ANY question in it free from flames. That's not resistance. Look, I'm not giving Hexxx HJs in the backseat of his car or anything but the man has always been nothing but helpful, I said what I said for a reason. What you want in this community is lessened by him leaving.
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StinkFinger
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:21:00 -
[117]
Originally by: inVictu5
Take a minute, and think about what you just posted... "the likely impact on ingame financial activities" as referred to "leaving the forum".
IF the following people are to l33t for this forum why don't they use another forum and leave quietly. Instead everyone must insist on posting their sad ****y farewell. Crying that the game is slowly dieing. And how the noobs dont respect them and there infinite knowledge of a fictional reality. Every game I have ever played its always the same story. My conclusion, its a game, you are ******ed, and you probably need more social activities.
Now go grab your thesaurus and flame me with your uber intellectual l33tness 
I agree with this 100%.
Originally by: Karanth
That's like sitting on your hand till it goes numb, so it's like a stranger. It's not as satisfying, and I'LL know the difference.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:37:00 -
[118]
*golf clap*
You know who you are...
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:45:00 -
[119]
So anyone know where I can read up on this T2 exploit thingie? I keep hearing about it but would really like to find out more. And please don't send me to eve-search. I'm too stupid and impatient to sift through 20 pages of irrelevant results. Just give me the frackin link. Please? Shar?
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:48:00 -
[120]
Originally by: VJ Maverick
So anyone know where I can read up on this T2 exploit thingie? I keep hearing about it but would really like to find out more. And please don't send me to eve-search. I'm too stupid and impatient to sift through 20 pages of irrelevant results. Just give me the frackin link. Please? Shar?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=940462
Mohram, the above link is to the questions thread. And you can call me amarr citizen 155, amarr155, ac155. Or if you're treelox, you can call me son.
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Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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