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Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.21 15:14:00 - [151] Originally by: Concorduck Edited by: Concorduck on 21/12/2008 13:56:55 It's not about "new player base" It's about a bunch of old-style MMORPG players that thinks that every single game they play is a **ing protected heaven from bullies. I tried Guildwars because i got it from birthday present. Example: Guildwars - If someone scams you, you get your money back and the scammer get his whole account banned. EVE - You get redirected to the Knowledge base, Tutorial and all you get from Petition response is: "It was all your fault". Guildwars - PVP is completely arena-based, if someone doesn't want to play or just stand idle leeching, you can report em and get him out of PVP EVE - you can DDD your whole fleet while their inside POS. You can Suicide you ship against anything, anywhere, at anytime. Oh, and spies. Guildwars - You fight for Kurzick or Luxons EVE - You fight for personal amusement/tears/sovreignty/control/profit Guildwars - You can show off the title you earned with a click on your title page. EVE - You can show off your title handed to you by your corp CEO (God help you if he's feeling creatively abusive). Many other little things.EVE is superior to most games, it's all about how the gameplay is merciless and how it follows the "It was all your fault" law. Damn, i hope the PVP system in hello kitty online is good as they sell it... Couple minor edits. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.**
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.21 15:20:00 - [152] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Concorduck Edited by: Concorduck on 21/12/2008 13:56:55 It's not about "new player base" It's about a bunch of old-style MMORPG players that thinks that every single game they play is a **ing protected heaven from bullies. I tried Guildwars because i got it from birthday present. Example: Guildwars - If someone scams you, you get your money back and the scammer get his whole account banned. EVE - You get redirected to the Knowledge base, Tutorial and all you get from Petition response is: "It was all your fault". Guildwars - PVP is completely arena-based, if someone doesn't want to play or just stand idle leeching, you can report em and get him out of PVP EVE - you can DDD your whole fleet while their inside POS. You can Suicide you ship against anything, anywhere, at anytime. Oh, and spies. Guildwars - You fight for Kurzick or Luxons EVE - You fight for personal amusement/tears/sovreignty/control/???/profit Guildwars - You can show off the title you earned with a click on your title page. EVE - You can show off your title handed to you by your friendly BOB burecrat Many other little things.EVE is superior to most games, it's all about how the gameplay is merciless and how it follows the "It was all your fault" law. Damn, i hope the PVP system in hello kitty online is good as they sell it... Couple minor edits. you mind? ----------------------------------------- Originally by:** Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Eizana Amarr Scyanis	Posted - 2008.12.21 15:38:00 - [153] It's called an idiot filter.
Witless The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.21 16:20:00 - [154] Blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah..... Knowledge is power. The power to know when your being dumb / the power to kill the other player. Those who can't take the time to learn will not stay in Eve. I've played Eve on and off for about two years. I'M STILL LEARNING NEW THINGS. It's one reason I like Eve so much. It's not (always) about who has the biggest gun. Learn or quit!
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2008.12.21 16:50:00 - [155] Edited by: BhallSpawn on 21/12/2008 16:53:08 my God you guys are brutal a new player doesn't know all of that stuff His point is that the game isn't user friendly for new people. and he's right Stop hating on the guy cause he's new... How bout instead of calling him an idiot, you give him some advice, or recommend a learning corp, or invite him to your own and teach him. Try some positive thinking instead of tearing other people down. The very things you type of people complain about in terms of community in games like wow, your guilty of doing to this guy right now. If you happen to be reading this pal, I'm sorry for the lack of professionalism in this thread. It didn't used to be this way, years ago people actually helped others and didn't rip them to shreds.
Ghoest	Posted - 2008.12.21 16:51:00 - [156] Edited by: Ghoest on 21/12/2008 16:52:47 I think there is a problem. It takes 6 months training to be reliable and useful in PVP even with friends. When seemingly everyone is flying t2 equipped HACs Hics Recons and High Skill BS you need at least a T2 equiped BC to compete. And telling people to fly tacklers is silly. It sidetracks most players from where they are heading and it requires a lot of training itself to be worth while. If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.21 16:53:00 - [157] Six days of training is enough to be useful. Knowing what to train would help, but that's something relatively easy to pick up from any of the innumerable threads about new players around here... In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Ghoest	Posted - 2008.12.21 16:57:00 - [158] Thats not really true. Your a big gimp at 6 days. Your gimp at 6 weeks. Ya you could fly a cruiser(and then a BC) with crappy weapons and add some sad DPS to a fleet but thats not going to be fun. If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:08:00 - [159] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 21/12/2008 17:10:08 Originally by: Ghoest Thats not really true. Your a big gimp at 6 days. Your gimp at 6 weeks. Ya you could fly a cruiser(and then a BC) with crappy weapons and add some sad DPS to a fleet but thats not going to be fun. He said you can be useful. You most certainly can't do it all. No serious fleet will be relying on a 6 day old noobs to provide the DPS. That said no one grunt is going to matter much in a sizable fleet and certain roles, like tackling, have to be fulfilled no matter what. Even new players can be useful in those roles even though more experience and character skills will make a huge difference in your performance and ability to survive.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:30:00 - [160] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 21/12/2008 17:30:58 Originally by: BhallSpawn Edited by: BhallSpawn on 21/12/2008 16:53:08 my God you guys are brutal a new player doesn't know all of that stuff His point is that the game isn't user friendly for new people. and he's right Stop hating on the guy cause he's new... How bout instead of calling him an idiot, you give him some advice, or recommend a learning corp, or invite him to your own and teach him. Try some positive thinking instead of tearing other people down. The very things you type of people complain about in terms of community in games like wow, your guilty of doing to this guy right now. If you happen to be reading this pal, I'm sorry for the lack of professionalism in this thread. It didn't used to be this way, years ago people actually helped others and didn't rip them to shreds. Had he asked for help, or even a reason why he shouldn't quit then the worst he'd have gotten would be the occasional "can I have your stuff" statements amidst a greater number of more useful posts. But he came here basically just to announce that he's quitting because the game is hard. We all know it's hard, and that's why most of the people posting in this thread have decided the game is good. It's true that this forum gets pretty rowdy at times but generally when people demonstrate a willingness to work through the challenges of Eve rather than surrender to them people will assist where possible. I remember two or three occasions of new players coming on and essentially saying how they looked over all the various ship classes and decided that Titans are the best, and they want to know how they should go about getting one because they don't seem to be available on the market. I'm sure everyone who replied in the thread was rolling their eyes as they did it, but still constructively explained what the deal was with Titans and how they aren't the type of end-game reward an epic mount might be in some other game. Basically what I'm saying is that for better or worse you get what you put in to this forum... put in smack or a bad attitude and you'll get smack in return, like what happened with the OP. Same as in-game, for the most part.

Pesadel0 Minmatar Vagabundos	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:37:00 - [161] Can i have your stuff ?
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:49:00 - [162] Originally by: BhallSpawn Edited by: BhallSpawn on 21/12/2008 16:53:08 my God you guys are brutal a new player doesn't know all of that stuff His point is that the game isn't user friendly for new people. and he's right Stop hating on the guy cause he's new... How bout instead of calling him an idiot, you give him some advice, or recommend a learning corp, or invite him to your own and teach him. Try some positive thinking instead of tearing other people down. The very things you type of people complain about in terms of community in games like wow, your guilty of doing to this guy right now. If you happen to be reading this pal, I'm sorry for the lack of professionalism in this thread. It didn't used to be this way, years ago people actually helped others and didn't rip them to shreds. LOL, he said Ballzspawn.
Burnharder	Posted - 2008.12.22 15:51:00 - [163] Originally by: CyberGh0st You sire have no clue. ALL of those 250k subs are payed for, wether it is with a regular sub, GTC, ETC or plex. I am pretty sure that the vets that buy plexes with isk would be paying real cash too if they had too. And yes alot of people run 2 or more accounts, but alot of them dont, and even tho EVE will probably have more double accounts then some other mmo's, I feel that this does not diminish anything. The game is vibrant and alive, 40k people during prime on 1 server, even if thats only 20k real people, thats still loads of people to play with, what else do we need? I personally found that the new player tutorial is ok, sure it can be improved, everything can be improved. Ambulation and boxed copies of EVE will bring in loads of new players, now if that is a good thing is something else. But why do you actually have an account here? If you hate this game so much, please go play something you like better. No, they aren't. There are 250,000 accounts. CCP hardly ever delete accounts. They are certainly NOT all paying subs. I'm here because I got a 5 day free pass and thought I'd add my 2 cents to this thread after browsing the forums for a bit. I haven't actually logged into the game (I started playing it in beta 6) and have no intention of doing so. Playing Eve kind-of makes me lose the will to live.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.22 15:56:00 - [164] Originally by: Burnharder Originally by: CyberGh0st You sire have no clue. ALL of those 250k subs are payed for, wether it is with a regular sub, GTC, ETC or plex. I am pretty sure that the vets that buy plexes with isk would be paying real cash too if they had too. And yes alot of people run 2 or more accounts, but alot of them dont, and even tho EVE will probably have more double accounts then some other mmo's, I feel that this does not diminish anything. The game is vibrant and alive, 40k people during prime on 1 server, even if thats only 20k real people, thats still loads of people to play with, what else do we need? I personally found that the new player tutorial is ok, sure it can be improved, everything can be improved. Ambulation and boxed copies of EVE will bring in loads of new players, now if that is a good thing is something else. But why do you actually have an account here? If you hate this game so much, please go play something you like better. No, they aren't. There are 250,000 accounts. CCP hardly ever delete accounts. They are certainly NOT all paying subs. I'm here because I got a 5 day free pass and thought I'd add my 2 cents to this thread after browsing the forums for a bit. I haven't actually logged into the game (I started playing it in beta 6) and have no intention of doing so. Playing Eve kind-of makes me lose the will to live. no there are about 890,000 accounts.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.22 16:00:00 - [165] Originally by: Ghoest Thats not really true. Your a big gimp at 6 days. Your gimp at 6 weeks. Ya you could fly a cruiser(and then a BC) with crappy weapons and add some sad DPS to a fleet but thats not going to be fun. oh yeah in 6 months you'll be the big man applying your 5% higher dps.
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos	Posted - 2008.12.22 16:06:00 - [166] Originally by: Pesadel0 Can i have your stuff ? You evil bastid! Now i can't bash all the people calling n00b to the newbie guy. Oh well... to the op, oh well whatever ur a n00b and i hated guildwars so noob x2. _____________________________________
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.12.22 16:08:00 - [167] Originally by: Burnharder No, they aren't. There are 250,000 accounts. CCP hardly ever delete accounts. They are certainly NOT all paying subs. I'm here because I got a 5 day free pass and thought I'd add my 2 cents to this thread after browsing the forums for a bit. I haven't actually logged into the game (I started playing it in beta 6) and have no intention of doing so. Playing Eve kind-of makes me lose the will to live. Yeah they are. CCP's subscriber totals are based only on active accounts that have been paid for with cash or a game time code. They don't count expired accounts, free trials or anything like that. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.12.22 16:17:00 - [168] LoL at the people that never explored eve and that didnt know that there were places that you NEED to travel through lowsec for. There are various highsec systems (entire constellations, or a region for that matter) that are only reachable through either lowsec or even 0.0. Pretty much, some people in this thread fail harder then the OP. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Rennion	Posted - 2008.12.22 16:30:00 - [169] The game is not friendly to new people **ing NEWS FLASH like we didnt know, we where there once too you know and it was harder than it is now. It is a good thing, it's like a **** filter. Only people who adapt well and learn fast and can live with sandbox gameplay ever get anywhere in eve. We would not have the cool gameplay, drama and smack that we do if any jhonny mouthbreather could find his feet in this game. Even despite all this we still get a decent share of them humping missions in high-sec, why those people play is beyond me.
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.22 16:46:00 - [170] Edited by: Alowishus on 22/12/2008 16:46:21 Originally by: BhallSpawn His point is that the game isn't user friendly for new people. No. His point was that because the game is difficult it has a "small" player base. This is somewhat true. I still have friends that play EverQuest. Yep. That's right. Three accounts each 14-hour a day EverQuest addicts. They don't understand me, and I don't understand them. Both type of gamer is just damn foreign to the other. Eve players are a different breed than your WoW / EQ players. It just so happens that the "sit around and make internets golds in complete safety so that one day you can ???" is, for some reason, a larger percentage of players. Don't get me wrong, these people still play Eve and are successful at it (if they're smart enough to avoid unwanted combat- which is totally possible and not very difficult). The point is that you have much more responsibility for your own safety in Eve. To a minority of gamers- like myself- this is not only ideal, it's a draw. But the majority of gamers are candy asses who are used to, and prefer, complete safety. The game is user friendly for new people as long as they understand what the game is all about from the start. If they expecting WoW, well then they probably won't get it. But they're tards anyway, so good riddance.

Antarious Kronar	Posted - 2008.12.22 16:50:00 - [171] Originally by: Deira Lenia LoL at the people that never explored eve and that didnt know that there were places that you NEED to travel through lowsec for. There are various highsec systems (entire constellations, or a region for that matter) that are only reachable through either lowsec or even 0.0. Pretty much, some people in this thread fail harder then the OP. Agreed, travel through low-sec or 0.0 at some point will be required. However, this was not thrust onto the OP. The OP chose to travel to meet their friend and that was totally the OP's choice. Most of the other MMO's out there are at fault for implementing their "instant gratification" systems into gameplay. In SWG-NGE, you can afk grand your toon from nooblet to 90 in a weekend. Hell, in Warhammer, you can use RvR to grind almost as fast. Then, that same player comes to Eve and expects the same type of gameplay, play a weekend and instant ownage of the game. This is the mindset of some of the new gamers, thinking they can just quickly make a new character in Eve and then just play and all is right in the universe. Two things then happen... either they quickly learn from the error and then set back and realize Eve is not fast paced, rather it takes time and that is part of the enjoyment of Eve. Or... they get completely frustrated that Eve is not easy to play and they quit... although some come here to QQ about it. To the OP, I am NOT flaming you. I understand your frustration, as I was there once too. But for me, I learned from my errors and I now completely enjoy Eve and all it has to offer. OP, if you are still reading this thread, don't give up. Yes, Eve is hard but the rewards are even greater, if you are willing to learn the game.
tracykins	Posted - 2008.12.22 17:04:00 - [172] Originally by: Shogun Archer Edited by: Shogun Archer on 19/12/2008 18:58:04 "I use the map feature and tell it to take the safest route. Oh look I have to jump through .4 space to get there." ???????????????? Your map settings usage skill is the only thing poor here. Safest route will not take you through .4 sytems. yes it does if it's the only way to get there. However I doubt this was the case.
Milla Jovo	Posted - 2008.12.22 17:24:00 - [173] Part of the issue is the player giude says you can pve but no one will let them play pve because everyone thinks eve is all pvp.
Psycho Nomad	Posted - 2008.12.22 18:31:00 - [174] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Pesadel0 Can i have your stuff ? You evil bastid! Now i can't bash all the people calling n00b to the newbie guy. Oh well... to the op, oh well whatever ur a n00b and i hated guildwars so noob x2. LOL quote - "only n00bz who are n00bz say n00b to other n00bz who are also n00bz... n00bz... n00bz... ... ...sphincter" anyway. both arguments role imo. In short, Eve is hard and the rookie 'help' at the beggining can be improved, yet certain breeds of human lack the basic tenacity, or simple intelogants to develop a thirst for EvE in the first place. Period. In long. Eve is by far the most complex, deep, intricate, sembyotic, interdependent, political, economic, diplomatic yada yada yada game ever created that encompases all within one construct, we all knwo that. So yah, its obviously gonna be hard to pick up. EVERY bit of eve is situational, and every little bit effects every other little bit. and its dam hard to figure **** out in the beggining, i mean in retrospect i remember the level of comptency and awareness i had when i first played eve, which is bordering on neandotholic in comparison to the level needed to actually play effectively. but i knew no different, i could see all these concepts surrounding me and because of my nature, and the fact i coudn't understand that which i could see, i quickly developed a need to learn. So you look about, research, teach yourself the game, its down to personal choice. I can see why crude lil spotty kids that want a quick fix and an ego stroke wouldnt like eve, because its actually a game u have to think about, constantly, and critically, to a notable extent, inorder to actually achiev anything rewarding. thats jus the way it is. some people can't handle that ***, so let em go play WOW or some other pointless excuse for "social"* popularity. And those of us that strive for a mental challenge and are able to apply critical thinking to something as complex as eve, carry on as we were. because the point is, if you 'get it' you 'get it'. If you don't you don't. Period. /ramble
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.22 19:10:00 - [175] I still for one want to know why people think you have to have 5% more damage to be effective in PvP. I mean to use EW what do you need? 2 weeks? Once all your core skills are at level 3 and you have basic core competency cert, you can PvP in any cruiser or frigate. And trust me we want you, as FCs we want more ships in the fleet no matter how much more 10% you have.
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2008.12.22 19:12:00 - [176] Originally by: Cypermethren Wow another person who doesn't know what they are talking about but likes to babble anyway. I think you problem exist between your brain and your fingers. You've heard it here first. The problem is neck, shoulders, and arms. Fix those, and you've fixed your problem.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2008.12.22 19:18:00 - [177] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Cypermethren Wow another person who doesn't know what they are talking about but likes to babble anyway. I think you problem exist between your brain and your fingers. You've heard it here first. The problem is neck, shoulders, and arms. Fix those, and you've fixed your problem. Easy now, he could just as well be a misogynist, that blames everything on breasts.
Bart Roberts Minmatar Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2008.12.22 19:22:00 - [178] Umm, excuse me, but: http://eve-search.com/thread/950822/page/1#10 OP Kassarryaa seems simply to be an alt of OP's most vociferous defender on page 1, Cypermethren. Feel free not to reply.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.12.22 19:31:00 - [179] 1.) Train propulsion jamming to 1 2.) Fit scram on your noobship 3.) Be useful. 4.) Get on a comedy killmail with your Ibis of Doom -------- Ideas for: Mining
Antarious Kronar	Posted - 2008.12.22 19:44:00 - [180] Originally by: Bart Roberts Edited by: Bart Roberts on 22/12/2008 19:29:24 Edited by: Bart Roberts on 22/12/2008 19:28:48 Umm, excuse me, but: http://eve-search.com/thread/950822/page/1#10 OP Kassarryaa seems simply to be an alt of OP's most vociferous defender on page 1, Cypermethren. Feel free not to reply. Good find. I would guess the OP is a troll, considering they are using their other account to defend their self. However, this thread has grown a bit from the original OP's message and would be a good thread for a newbie that was frustrated with the game and trying to decide whether to stay or go.



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