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Kassarryaa	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:49:00 - [1] Bad game design for new players. Plain and simple. Me and a friend started playing. I wanted to go Calidar. He went Minmatar. Well after a few days of building up isk and SP to get something better than what we started with we decided to play together. So I set a course towards him. I use the map feature and tell it to take the safest route. Oh look I have to jump through .4 space to get there. Of course as soon as I enter it my ship is popped and I am podded. Great all the work I have done so far. Gone! So I start again. A day or two later I am doing a mission. Sends me to .5 space. I am out killing the rats in the mission. In jumps another ship pop and I am dead and podded yet again. My new ship gone again. And still I have been unable to join up with my friend. Perhaps there is some way to get to my friend without this happening. But as a new player I have no idea what this way is. I don't mind PvP when I have any chance at all of competing. I mean even the a tiny chance of winning. Yes I am new to the game. Me and my friend are going to go play something else now. This game just doesn't seem well thought out for new players. The game design is simply poor in that aspect of the game. I wish everyone else best of luck. But I now see why a game that looks so amazing has so few players. Just my two cents.
Doppleganger Minmatar Libera Mentem Tuam Libera Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:54:00 - [2] So few people? Too many people now, I prefered the size of the player base 5 yrs ago.
Zantrei Kordisin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:55:00 - [3] open map click settings click avoid low security systems set route again done. _________________________________________________________
Cheap Dude	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:55:00 - [4] Everybody who selects 'Calidar' as race is doomed to fail..
Guttripper State War Academy	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:55:00 - [5] I guess that means Eve only has 249,998 players left...
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:56:00 - [6] Can i haz ur stuff ? Err no, u probably don't have any. Don't expect to have a winning chance after few days of gametime. In wow, the game you are probably going to, you won't beat an old level 70 with a char that you have played only few days aswell. And btw, eve doesn't have 250k players, 250k active accounts maybe, but since it's very popular in eve to have several accounts per player, the player number will be below 100k.
Shogun Archer Gallente Brotherhood of Soban	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Kassarryaa Bad game design for new players. Plain and simple. Me and a friend started playing. I wanted to go Calidar. He went Minmatar. Well after a few days of building up isk and SP to get something better than what we started with we decided to play together. So I set a course towards him. I use the map feature and tell it to take the safest route. Oh look I have to jump through .4 space to get there. Of course as soon as I enter it my ship is popped and I am podded. Great all the work I have done so far. Gone! So I start again. A day or two later I am doing a mission. Sends me to .5 space. I am out killing the rats in the mission. In jumps another ship pop and I am dead and podded yet again. My new ship gone again. And still I have been unable to join up with my friend. Perhaps there is some way to get to my friend without this happening. But as a new player I have no idea what this way is. I don't mind PvP when I have any chance at all of competing. I mean even the a tiny chance of winning. Yes I am new to the game. Me and my friend are going to go play something else now. This game just doesn't seem well thought out for new players. The game design is simply poor in that aspect of the game. I wish everyone else best of luck. But I now see why a game that looks so amazing has so few players. Just my two cents. I use the map feature and tell it to take the safest route. Oh look I have to jump through .4 space to get there. Your map settings usage skill is the only thing poor here. Safest route will not take you through .4 sytems.
Evilempire1	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:57:00 - [8] I suicide newbs in .5 all the time too
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:58:00 - [9] Had to be posted.
Cypermethren Caldari JinTech Industries Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:59:00 - [10] Edited by: Cypermethren on 19/12/2008 19:02:36 Wow.. Two people in here that should know better but aren't very bright. Using avoid low sec only works if there is a route that "can" avoid it. I see in her post she stated that she used the map feature that takes safest route. So first you should actually read before you respond. Clicking that doesn't mean you won't jump through .4 or lower. Just means it will do it's best not to. You both need to check your map skills. Your post makes you look pretty dumb.
Shogun Archer Gallente Brotherhood of Soban	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:02:00 - [11] Edited by: Shogun Archer on 19/12/2008 19:02:26 Hey Cyper. I have never been forced to go through a low sec system to get anywhere actually. As long as I tell the map setting to avoid low sec systems. Granted, the routes have been a lot longer at times, but never have I been "forced" to go through low sec... I was just posting from my own experience. Maybe I've just been lucky?
Cypermethren Caldari JinTech Industries Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Shogun Archer Edited by: Shogun Archer on 19/12/2008 19:02:26 Hey Cyper. I have never been forced to go through a low sec system to get anywhere actually. As long as I tell the map setting to avoid low sec systems. Granted, the routes have been a lot longer at times, but never have I been "forced" to go through low sec... I was just posting from my own experience. Maybe I've just been lucky? You have been insanely lucky.
Large Trout Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Doppleganger So few people? Too many people now, I prefered the size of the player base 5 yrs ago. Heh, I remember the days when the peak amount of people online would be around 3k. Mining was so much easier then. You're lucky if you can find a decent spot now.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:05:00 - [14] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 19/12/2008 19:06:47 Have some sad news for you, OP. First, lets go over what happened -You set course to your friend, and evidently set your autopilot settings wrong because otherwise you wouldn't have gone through lowsec -You saw the giant YOU ARE ENTERING LOWSEC WHERE YOU CAN BE KILLED and ignored it -You ran missions in a lowsec system without realizing it, got scanned down and popped. Problem exists between keyboard and chair. Even if you didn't get popped and podded, your inability to pay attention would have gotten you scammed or popped or podded or all of the above at some point, when you had much more expensive stuff. Your inability to accept loss would have you /raging even harder than you are now. The only loss here is that you didn't stay long enough to acquire some stuff so that you could give it to me when you leave. Quote: I see in her post she stated that she used the map feature that takes safest route. So first you should actually read before you respond. Well then he's bull**ting. There's a slider that allows you to set how much you want the autopilot to emphasize safety. If he screwed with that then he could still have been sent through lowsec. Originally by:** Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
Shogun Archer Gallente Brotherhood of Soban	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Cypermethren Originally by: Shogun Archer Edited by: Shogun Archer on 19/12/2008 19:02:26 Hey Cyper. I have never been forced to go through a low sec system to get anywhere actually. As long as I tell the map setting to avoid low sec systems. Granted, the routes have been a lot longer at times, but never have I been "forced" to go through low sec... I was just posting from my own experience. Maybe I've just been lucky? You have been insanely lucky. Well then, I guess I stand corrected.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Kassarryaa Bad game design for new players. Plain and simple. Me and a friend started playing. I wanted to go Calidar. He went Minmatar. Well after a few days of building up isk and SP to get something better than what we started with we decided to play together. So I set a course towards him. I use the map feature and tell it to take the safest route. Oh look I have to jump through .4 space to get there. Of course as soon as I enter it my ship is popped and I am podded. Great all the work I have done so far. Gone! So I start again. A day or two later I am doing a mission. Sends me to .5 space. I am out killing the rats in the mission. In jumps another ship pop and I am dead and podded yet again. My new ship gone again. And still I have been unable to join up with my friend. Perhaps there is some way to get to my friend without this happening. But as a new player I have no idea what this way is. I don't mind PvP when I have any chance at all of competing. I mean even the a tiny chance of winning. Yes I am new to the game. Me and my friend are going to go play something else now. This game just doesn't seem well thought out for new players. The game design is simply poor in that aspect of the game. I wish everyone else best of luck. But I now see why a game that looks so amazing has so few players. Just my two cents. I hope you die many many more times, noob. (in game)
Cypermethren Caldari JinTech Industries Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:09:00 - [17] Edited by: Cypermethren on 19/12/2008 19:09:50 Originally by: Kahega Amielden Have some sad news for you, OP. First, lets go over what happened -You set course to your friend, and evidently set your autopilot settings wrong because otherwise you wouldn't have gone through lowsec -You saw the giant YOU ARE ENTERING LOWSEC WHERE YOU CAN BE KILLED and ignored it -You ran missions in a lowsec system without realizing it, got scanned down and popped. Problem exists between keyboard and chair. Even if you didn't get popped and podded, your inability to pay attention would have gotten you scammed or popped or podded or all of the above at some point, when you had much more expensive stuff. Your inability to accept loss would have you /raging even harder than you are now. The only loss here is that you didn't stay long enough to acquire some stuff so that you could give it to me when you leave. Wow another person who doesn't know what they are talking about but likes to babble anyway. I think you problem exist between your brain and your fingers. I think the complaint was about the lack of game friendly help for new players. And the map does allow you to go through low sec even if you mark avoid low sec. Not ever route is possible through only high sec space. Oh and .5 is not considered low sec. Think you need a little more play time to learn the game before you start giving advice to other new players. If you are going to post at least know what you are talking about.
Demeterus Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:10:00 - [18] Well, the map part of the OP is true. /me remembers in horror the move from Sinq Laison to Amarr-space, and a particular little system called Egghelende... --- Why are you reading my sig? Did you expect something of sigs?
Shogun Archer Gallente Brotherhood of Soban	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:13:00 - [19] There is a warning, however, when you are about to enter low sec. Just saying... Honestly, to me, that's why I like Eve-Online. That nothing is foolproof or completely safe. It is the reason I start and quit so many other vanilla MMO's that make the game so incredibly easy that it has no challenge at all.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:13:00 - [20] Agony Empire will be taking out another class of new players tonight. Many of them have been in the game less that 2 weeks. They will be out in force likely getting kills in 0.0 space (not lowsec) You need: 1) Balls 2) Training 3) Brains That is all. And I don't care how eve compares with WoW.
San5ha	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:13:00 - [21] n00b
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:15:00 - [22] Originally by: San5ha n00b Its always amusing toe see a forum alt, with a leetspeak name, of someone without the courage of posting with their main call someone a "noob".
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Rells Originally by: San5ha n00b Its always amusing toe see a forum alt, with a leetspeak name, of someone without the courage of posting with their main call someone a "noob". n00b
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Rells Agony Empire will be taking out another class of new players tonight. Many of them have been in the game less that 2 weeks. They will be out in force likely getting kills in 0.0 space (not lowsec) You need: 1) Balls 2) Training 3) Brains That is all. And I don't care how eve compares with WoW. 4) Cloaks
Par'Gellen Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:23:00 - [25] Edited by: Par''Gellen on 19/12/2008 19:23:08 I've tried and failed to get friends of mine into the game. They have pretty much the same issues as the OP. After the first month or so of playing they quit with reasons that basically boil down to "Damn man, how the hell do you play that game with so many asshats all trying to kill you?" I try to explain the ropes and such but they already have that bad taste of working hard for weeks for some isk and then having some idiot take it all away in a few seconds. They sometimes give it another day or so but usually I never see them in game again. As much as I love this game I have to agree with the OP. Eve is very "New Player" unfriendly. --- To err is human. But it shouldn't be the company motto...
JafoPBCFR One Stop Mining Shop	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:23:00 - [26] Op described why i find eve so entertaining. I can Lose it all in the blink of a eye. If im stupid! And I have been stupid!
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:23:00 - [27] EVE do not have too many plays since this is not a simple click and attack game like wow. EVE requires you to think and it ha sa long learning curve unlike any toher game. EVE is great if you put some effort into it.
Aesynil Caldari The Unit...	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:34:00 - [28] I regularly fly from gallente/minmatar space to amarr/caldari...If you have it set to avoid low sec systems, flying from one rookie system to any other, I can't imagine it would route you through low sec. Like...Ever. There are high sec pockets out there, but no rookie starts in them that I know of. How you got blown up in .5 is a mystery to me. Likely, somebody stole from your can, and you shot back. That would mean you made a mistake. Never, ever, ever shoot at another player in high sec, unless you are fully prepared for him to come back in a far bigger ship then you. The Unit pursues invention, manufacturing, mining, and research. Evemail us if you need anything related to Science and Industry.
D'ceet Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:36:00 - [29] my first days in EVE i went to 0.0....go to BWF-ZZ they said, and i did...ive never been in a non 0.0 corp since.. Originally by: Popperr I resent the insinuation that we have intelligence, artificial or otherwise.
Cromzor	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:43:00 - [30] Edited by: Cromzor on 19/12/2008 19:44:59 People who are new at this game are at a severe disadvantage. Older players enjoy their dominance since it makes the game easier for them. Any player with suggestions that threatens this dominance will be swiftly ridiculed as weak to discourage these ideas. Their only reasoning is that things should continue "as is" because they've always been that way. It's ironic since it's actually the older players that are the ones who want an easier game by ensuring newer players will never be equally competative. They are afraid of newer players with superior skills so the rely on the crutch of higher SP. As a new player your only option is to specialize in one type of ship and blob up. After a 4 months of training the learning, fitting and cap skills you can think about something new.

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