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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.07.19 07:21:00 -
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I just thought to my self - are we having a good old fasion inflation in eve - there is more ISK in circulation than ever before - Is this something that we should just accept ? I have been playing for quite some time now - and it seems that a lot of players now have something close to 2 bil on their account ? Or am I just talking crap. Feel free to flame me all you like :)
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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.07.19 07:21:00 -
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I just thought to my self - are we having a good old fasion inflation in eve - there is more ISK in circulation than ever before - Is this something that we should just accept ? I have been playing for quite some time now - and it seems that a lot of players now have something close to 2 bil on their account ? Or am I just talking crap. Feel free to flame me all you like :)
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p0ma
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Posted - 2004.07.19 07:24:00 -
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It is getting out of hand. The solution is for something,.... ANYTHING.... to be introduced to NPC market. Expensive BPO's perhaps of..err....hell something I don't know. Takes money out of EVE players hands and out back into NPC.
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p0ma
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Posted - 2004.07.19 07:24:00 -
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It is getting out of hand. The solution is for something,.... ANYTHING.... to be introduced to NPC market. Expensive BPO's perhaps of..err....hell something I don't know. Takes money out of EVE players hands and out back into NPC.
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"Cry Exploit and let slip the Dogs of War" |
Judicator
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Posted - 2004.07.19 08:07:00 -
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Fancy new toys :D
There is no cost of living in EVE if you are good at not getting blown up constantly. Thus more ISK enter the system over time than exits. This is even more true when the market is primarily run by players.
It is not bad as such. I think the prices for minerals are starting to soar a bit and thus goods will become more expensive. Ofc that just means more ISK exchange hands and not that it is out of the system.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.07.19 08:07:00 -
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Fancy new toys :D
There is no cost of living in EVE if you are good at not getting blown up constantly. Thus more ISK enter the system over time than exits. This is even more true when the market is primarily run by players.
It is not bad as such. I think the prices for minerals are starting to soar a bit and thus goods will become more expensive. Ofc that just means more ISK exchange hands and not that it is out of the system.
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p0ma
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Posted - 2004.07.19 08:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Judicator
Fancy new toys :D
There is no cost of living in EVE if you are good at not getting blown up constantly. Thus more ISK enter the system over time than exits. This is even more true when the market is primarily run by players.
It is not bad as such. I think the prices for minerals are starting to soar a bit and thus goods will become more expensive. Ofc that just means more ISK exchange hands and not that it is out of the system.
Too many players are making 75 mil+++ a night with very little effort. 150 mil +++ with decent effort. 225 mil +++ with uber-effort.
If you can't see the problem with this, well... I envy you because I do :)
Do you remember how ausome it was to be a corp that owned a Battleship BPO back in the day? Or to have 2 Bil isk in corp wallet. Well now you really gottah have like 15B before anyone would even take you seriously :D
Another concern of mine with trillions of isk floating around are the clever pyramid scheemers. With a clever enough marketing campaign single players can rack up several billion isk a night. Hey... my respect goes out to them for being so damn clever but it still leaves me feeling nervous about individuals/small corps owning like 200B in assets.
:D
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p0ma
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Posted - 2004.07.19 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Judicator
Fancy new toys :D
There is no cost of living in EVE if you are good at not getting blown up constantly. Thus more ISK enter the system over time than exits. This is even more true when the market is primarily run by players.
It is not bad as such. I think the prices for minerals are starting to soar a bit and thus goods will become more expensive. Ofc that just means more ISK exchange hands and not that it is out of the system.
Too many players are making 75 mil+++ a night with very little effort. 150 mil +++ with decent effort. 225 mil +++ with uber-effort.
If you can't see the problem with this, well... I envy you because I do :)
Do you remember how ausome it was to be a corp that owned a Battleship BPO back in the day? Or to have 2 Bil isk in corp wallet. Well now you really gottah have like 15B before anyone would even take you seriously :D
Another concern of mine with trillions of isk floating around are the clever pyramid scheemers. With a clever enough marketing campaign single players can rack up several billion isk a night. Hey... my respect goes out to them for being so damn clever but it still leaves me feeling nervous about individuals/small corps owning like 200B in assets.
:D
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.07.19 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: p0ma
Originally by: Judicator
Fancy new toys :D
There is no cost of living in EVE if you are good at not getting blown up constantly. Thus more ISK enter the system over time than exits. This is even more true when the market is primarily run by players.
It is not bad as such. I think the prices for minerals are starting to soar a bit and thus goods will become more expensive. Ofc that just means more ISK exchange hands and not that it is out of the system.
Too many players are making 75 mil+++ a night with very little effort. 150 mil +++ with decent effort. 225 mil +++ with uber-effort.
If you can't see the problem with this, well... I envy you because I do :)
Do you remember how ausome it was to be a corp that owned a Battleship BPO back in the day? Or to have 2 Bil isk in corp wallet. Well now you really gottah have like 15B before anyone would even take you seriously :D
Another concern of mine with trillions of isk floating around are the clever pyramid scheemers. With a clever enough marketing campaign single players can rack up several billion isk a night. Hey... my respect goes out to them for being so damn clever but it still leaves me feeling nervous about individuals/small corps owning like 200B in assets.
:D
If I sell all the good loot I got this weeend I think I've earned 60-80m killing NPC. That is by playing friday, saturday and sunday. I've not had any marathon sessions so I don't really know how many hours I've used.
You could decrease the bounty on NPC, btut would that help? I don't think so, because still cash woudl flow into EVE and not out.
As such there is not really any way to get ISK out of the system. Insurance is one "out" sink, buying from NPC corps is another, but it is not enough I think. Isk enter the market via npc means, from bounties to minerals sales to npc, of that even happen anymore.
So, over the time of eve play ISK has continually entered the system in larger quantities than they have exited and we now have a system where there is a loads and loads of billions and all they really do is change hands.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.07.19 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: p0ma
Originally by: Judicator
Fancy new toys :D
There is no cost of living in EVE if you are good at not getting blown up constantly. Thus more ISK enter the system over time than exits. This is even more true when the market is primarily run by players.
It is not bad as such. I think the prices for minerals are starting to soar a bit and thus goods will become more expensive. Ofc that just means more ISK exchange hands and not that it is out of the system.
Too many players are making 75 mil+++ a night with very little effort. 150 mil +++ with decent effort. 225 mil +++ with uber-effort.
If you can't see the problem with this, well... I envy you because I do :)
Do you remember how ausome it was to be a corp that owned a Battleship BPO back in the day? Or to have 2 Bil isk in corp wallet. Well now you really gottah have like 15B before anyone would even take you seriously :D
Another concern of mine with trillions of isk floating around are the clever pyramid scheemers. With a clever enough marketing campaign single players can rack up several billion isk a night. Hey... my respect goes out to them for being so damn clever but it still leaves me feeling nervous about individuals/small corps owning like 200B in assets.
:D
If I sell all the good loot I got this weeend I think I've earned 60-80m killing NPC. That is by playing friday, saturday and sunday. I've not had any marathon sessions so I don't really know how many hours I've used.
You could decrease the bounty on NPC, btut would that help? I don't think so, because still cash woudl flow into EVE and not out.
As such there is not really any way to get ISK out of the system. Insurance is one "out" sink, buying from NPC corps is another, but it is not enough I think. Isk enter the market via npc means, from bounties to minerals sales to npc, of that even happen anymore.
So, over the time of eve play ISK has continually entered the system in larger quantities than they have exited and we now have a system where there is a loads and loads of billions and all they really do is change hands.
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Dray
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Posted - 2004.07.19 08:34:00 -
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i agree with poma its just too easy to make money and crucially theres little to spend it on, sooner or later the market will crash unless theres a big influx of items, of course an ingame crash will be less damaging that a rl market crash but as is the case in rl with the eve market the way it is the rich will get richer and the rest will just be playing catch up or going under, soon i guess we will have a few super corps and a lot of bored players.
this may seem a simplistic explanation especially giving the complex dynamics of economics but its worth remembering that this is a game and while some rl comparisions hold true others do not.
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Dray
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Posted - 2004.07.19 08:34:00 -
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i agree with poma its just too easy to make money and crucially theres little to spend it on, sooner or later the market will crash unless theres a big influx of items, of course an ingame crash will be less damaging that a rl market crash but as is the case in rl with the eve market the way it is the rich will get richer and the rest will just be playing catch up or going under, soon i guess we will have a few super corps and a lot of bored players.
this may seem a simplistic explanation especially giving the complex dynamics of economics but its worth remembering that this is a game and while some rl comparisions hold true others do not.
I picked up this ace book today everyone rates it as a must buy for the budding military genius, tho ive decided to rename it as "Sun Tzu's art of the bloody obvious" |
Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.07.19 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nym Qyamara on 19/07/2004 08:39:06
It is the constant demand from NPCs and the never ending surply from NPC's that kills the market - there is always a buyer - and that buyer, if - NPC, has ulimited ISK - its like the little man has the right to print his own money - now in real life there is a very good reason for that NOT happning - the Inflation is like Titanic - the view is nice from the top, and we all know the rest.
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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.07.19 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nym Qyamara on 19/07/2004 08:39:06
It is the constant demand from NPCs and the never ending surply from NPC's that kills the market - there is always a buyer - and that buyer, if - NPC, has ulimited ISK - its like the little man has the right to print his own money - now in real life there is a very good reason for that NOT happning - the Inflation is like Titanic - the view is nice from the top, and we all know the rest.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.07.19 09:11:00 -
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Surely CCP can check this and analyze this over time and in regards to active players.
I think they've even noticed the problems saying they were gonna up the prices on moneysinks such as rents etc.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.07.19 09:11:00 -
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Surely CCP can check this and analyze this over time and in regards to active players.
I think they've even noticed the problems saying they were gonna up the prices on moneysinks such as rents etc.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.07.19 09:27:00 -
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now you see why you must not flame your local pirate  , we are your isk "sink" 
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.07.19 09:27:00 -
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now you see why you must not flame your local pirate , we are your isk "sink"
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
now you see why you must not flame your local pirate , we are your isk "sink"
Actually, if people have insurance and are then blown up by pirates it only adds more ISK to the game. It is only the insurance premium that is a sink. But, for people who have a good chance of losing a ship in a three-month period (pretty much anyone in 0.0), it is definitely no sink. Insurance needs to be nerfed or removed for combat to be a true sink (and then wars will also start to mean something).
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
now you see why you must not flame your local pirate , we are your isk "sink"
Actually, if people have insurance and are then blown up by pirates it only adds more ISK to the game. It is only the insurance premium that is a sink. But, for people who have a good chance of losing a ship in a three-month period (pretty much anyone in 0.0), it is definitely no sink. Insurance needs to be nerfed or removed for combat to be a true sink (and then wars will also start to mean something).
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.19 09:47:00 -
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Well its a lack of minerals in space miners can get to.
Introduction of new items and people making more isk.
the rise in prise is in line with what u can make so people moaning r just not putting efort in.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.19 09:47:00 -
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Well its a lack of minerals in space miners can get to.
Introduction of new items and people making more isk.
the rise in prise is in line with what u can make so people moaning r just not putting efort in.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.07.19 09:55:00 -
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your clone is worth some isk too :P
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.07.19 09:55:00 -
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your clone is worth some isk too :P
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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allmus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 10:07:00 -
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easy soluation, give a great item that can come out on the markets, have it a BPC only(even in market) so that no-one can copy it and make money like that
then make it with ton's of lvl5 skills that will make it useless to everyone but the longtime players(that are rich)
ORRRR maybe release a corpation shares market scheme, allowing the rich players to effectivly OWN the small corp's if they are stupid enough to sell 51% of there issued corp shares, or some other rubbish like that
to be honest, i don't care as i'm not rich! hehe
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allmus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 10:07:00 -
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easy soluation, give a great item that can come out on the markets, have it a BPC only(even in market) so that no-one can copy it and make money like that
then make it with ton's of lvl5 skills that will make it useless to everyone but the longtime players(that are rich)
ORRRR maybe release a corpation shares market scheme, allowing the rich players to effectivly OWN the small corp's if they are stupid enough to sell 51% of there issued corp shares, or some other rubbish like that
to be honest, i don't care as i'm not rich! hehe
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Claus on 19/07/2004 10:15:14
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
your clone is worth some isk too :P
Yes, but assuming the scenario of you killing and podding the pilot of a level 2 battleship and said pilot getting back in a similar battship and clone.
If it was insured fully, 100m ISK is transfered from NPC into the PC part of EVE. He then from the NPCs buy a new clone (5m max) and insurance (about 30m). The BS and implants he has to buy from a player as well as all/most of the modules. So no ISK is leaving the PC part of EVE for those. Net influx of ISK is 65m -- welcome to inflation:)
If it was not insured, about 40m is created. He doesn't insure this new ship either so only 5m exists the game. Net influx is 35m.
He as a player is poorer but the total amount of ISK grows.
Current money sinks are: insurance, fees (office/factory/lab/corporation creation), NPC selling tradegoods (but who buys not to sell back with profit), clones, and skills. (please let me know if I missed some out.)
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Claus on 19/07/2004 10:15:14
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
your clone is worth some isk too :P
Yes, but assuming the scenario of you killing and podding the pilot of a level 2 battleship and said pilot getting back in a similar battship and clone.
If it was insured fully, 100m ISK is transfered from NPC into the PC part of EVE. He then from the NPCs buy a new clone (5m max) and insurance (about 30m). The BS and implants he has to buy from a player as well as all/most of the modules. So no ISK is leaving the PC part of EVE for those. Net influx of ISK is 65m -- welcome to inflation:)
If it was not insured, about 40m is created. He doesn't insure this new ship either so only 5m exists the game. Net influx is 35m.
He as a player is poorer but the total amount of ISK grows.
Current money sinks are: insurance, fees (office/factory/lab/corporation creation), NPC selling tradegoods (but who buys not to sell back with profit), clones, and skills. (please let me know if I missed some out.)
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.07.19 10:35:00 -
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In one hand we've got the raging inflation.
On the other hand we can't allow the market to be less player-driven by adding NPC items.
And as the cherry on top, we wan't players to PvP so we have insurance.
Does anyone apart me see the chaos in CCP's mind?
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.07.19 10:35:00 -
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In one hand we've got the raging inflation.
On the other hand we can't allow the market to be less player-driven by adding NPC items.
And as the cherry on top, we wan't players to PvP so we have insurance.
Does anyone apart me see the chaos in CCP's mind?
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