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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.07.19 11:45:00 -
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Solution: limited resources for NPC-corps and an AI to govern their transactions (would love to program this bit myself) 
With limited resources you can't keep doing missions, they won't always be interested in buying.
With AI an NPC corps interest in goods, investments into new production and profits for their corp will have an influence on the entire economy.
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.07.19 11:45:00 -
[32]
Solution: limited resources for NPC-corps and an AI to govern their transactions (would love to program this bit myself)
With limited resources you can't keep doing missions, they won't always be interested in buying.
With AI an NPC corps interest in goods, investments into new production and profits for their corp will have an influence on the entire economy.
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Anthrax Attack
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Posted - 2004.07.19 11:54:00 -
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people are saving vast amounts of money for the new ship classes IMO, they want to make sure they have bags of cash for new ships and player own stations and tech 2, 3, 4 etc
and all the people saying money is too easy to get are wrong, its only easy to get the better u get, think back a bit to when u started, maybe not the same for u, but the jump of getting from a frig into a battleship inc skills and modules, is very big, and takes a while (without outside help ie freind corp) which is why i did not join a corp at the start, i just kept to myself and built myself up.
money is not easier to get, the player base is just old enough now to have alot more people in higher postions, making quicker money therefor giving that impression.
As long as new players continue to join eve, the game will flow very well, new players, lower players, mid players, high players, and god like players here from beta.
also with the eventual full tech 2, 3 ,4 comes out and players still joing with will be many scales of players top of tech 1, top of tech 2 etc
so just like real life!
you have people in lower jobs and people for example bill gates, head of a mega corp with many billions!
just like eve.
IN SHORT (lol)
as long as eve has continued tech and item updates and the player base grows we have no problems :)
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yes this is an alt simply becuase now paypal cant be used for accounts i cant get my account renued till i get my new cc delivered |
Anthrax Attack
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Posted - 2004.07.19 11:54:00 -
[34]
people are saving vast amounts of money for the new ship classes IMO, they want to make sure they have bags of cash for new ships and player own stations and tech 2, 3, 4 etc
and all the people saying money is too easy to get are wrong, its only easy to get the better u get, think back a bit to when u started, maybe not the same for u, but the jump of getting from a frig into a battleship inc skills and modules, is very big, and takes a while (without outside help ie freind corp) which is why i did not join a corp at the start, i just kept to myself and built myself up.
money is not easier to get, the player base is just old enough now to have alot more people in higher postions, making quicker money therefor giving that impression.
As long as new players continue to join eve, the game will flow very well, new players, lower players, mid players, high players, and god like players here from beta.
also with the eventual full tech 2, 3 ,4 comes out and players still joing with will be many scales of players top of tech 1, top of tech 2 etc
so just like real life!
you have people in lower jobs and people for example bill gates, head of a mega corp with many billions!
just like eve.
IN SHORT (lol)
as long as eve has continued tech and item updates and the player base grows we have no problems :)
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yes this is an alt simply becuase now paypal cant be used for accounts i cant get my account renued till i get my new cc delivered |
Aggememnon
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Posted - 2004.07.19 12:59:00 -
[35]
The inflation can go 2 way imo, either everything looses value (this would be the case if more and more items would be available from NPC's), or everything skyrockets (because people start to pay absurd amounts for items they want, and have the money anyway.)
This would be a problem for young blood in EVE, for all the prices would become so high they cannot afford anything. Of course this would be somewhat limited to the larger more BS related items, but there would be an even bigger gap between the players that use frigates / cruisers and battleships.
An easy way to solve this would be indeed the rents. At this moment people are paying low rents (specially in 0.0) wile companies that have hangars there could make a billion ISK a week if they have a 10 some active players.
This could be reflected in the rent (also the risk the station has to take in 0.0 space will have to be compensated) so this is a way.
A nice sideeffect of this would be an amount of unused hangars wuold open up (lowering the prices somewhat due to the vacancies) and giving new people a place to "open shop"
In all, it will be a big problem if more and more people are running around with more money than they could possibly spend. (having 200 microsoft corporations in the world could be a problem)
One last note, this could also be solved by the larger corporations choosing the direct approch instead of dancing around eachother and not looking at eachother.
War is good for bussiness, peace is good for bussiness. 
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Aggememnon
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Posted - 2004.07.19 12:59:00 -
[36]
The inflation can go 2 way imo, either everything looses value (this would be the case if more and more items would be available from NPC's), or everything skyrockets (because people start to pay absurd amounts for items they want, and have the money anyway.)
This would be a problem for young blood in EVE, for all the prices would become so high they cannot afford anything. Of course this would be somewhat limited to the larger more BS related items, but there would be an even bigger gap between the players that use frigates / cruisers and battleships.
An easy way to solve this would be indeed the rents. At this moment people are paying low rents (specially in 0.0) wile companies that have hangars there could make a billion ISK a week if they have a 10 some active players.
This could be reflected in the rent (also the risk the station has to take in 0.0 space will have to be compensated) so this is a way.
A nice sideeffect of this would be an amount of unused hangars wuold open up (lowering the prices somewhat due to the vacancies) and giving new people a place to "open shop"
In all, it will be a big problem if more and more people are running around with more money than they could possibly spend. (having 200 microsoft corporations in the world could be a problem)
One last note, this could also be solved by the larger corporations choosing the direct approch instead of dancing around eachother and not looking at eachother.
War is good for bussiness, peace is good for bussiness.
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2004.07.19 13:28:00 -
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There is no inflation.
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Tanya Raskov > e stvarno minmatar zidaju brodove tako sto odlome deo fabrike i nakace motore
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2004.07.19 13:28:00 -
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There is no inflation.
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Tanya Raskov > e stvarno minmatar zidaju brodove tako sto odlome deo fabrike i nakace motore
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ElricUK
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Posted - 2004.07.19 13:29:00 -
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Solution on the horizon: NPC sold titans
Second solution: Have the Jovians declare war on EVERYONE and send their fleets around the galaxy attacking shipping at random. 
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ElricUK
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Posted - 2004.07.19 13:29:00 -
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Solution on the horizon: NPC sold titans
Second solution: Have the Jovians declare war on EVERYONE and send their fleets around the galaxy attacking shipping at random.
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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.07.19 18:30:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Nym Qyamara on 19/07/2004 18:33:14
 Originally by: MalaMo
There is no inflation.
Harvesters once 500k today 3 - 4 mil ?
Implants once 5 mil today 17 - 21 mil ?
Tritanium once 1 ISK today 2.3 ISK
if there is no inflation today - the inflation is comming then.
We need risk in my appnion.
Implants just gone up a few millions over night by the way
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=95397
http://worldofwar.dk/tc |
Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.07.19 18:30:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Nym Qyamara on 19/07/2004 18:33:14
Originally by: MalaMo
There is no inflation.
Harvesters once 500k today 3 - 4 mil ?
Implants once 5 mil today 17 - 21 mil ?
Tritanium once 1 ISK today 2.3 ISK
if there is no inflation today - the inflation is comming then.
We need risk in my appnion.
Implants just gone up a few millions over night by the way
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=95397
http://worldofwar.dk/tc |
Ashelth
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Posted - 2004.07.19 18:44:00 -
[43]
The implant market actually responded to supply and demand.
When combat agents lost implant missions and the removal of mining missions the supply dried up and the prices shot up.
They're slowly starting to come down.
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2004.07.19 18:44:00 -
[44]
The implant market actually responded to supply and demand.
When combat agents lost implant missions and the removal of mining missions the supply dried up and the prices shot up.
They're slowly starting to come down.
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2004.07.19 19:16:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Nym Qyamara
Edited by: Nym Qyamara on 19/07/2004 18:33:14
Originally by: MalaMo
There is no inflation.
Harvesters once 500k today 3 - 4 mil ?
Implants once 5 mil today 17 - 21 mil ?
Tritanium once 1 ISK today 2.3 ISK
if there is no inflation today - the inflation is comming then.
We need risk in my appnion.
Only demand.
No inflation all prices must go up if there is inflation. You didnt survive real inflation of 1000% per day (maybe more I dont remeber that well those days) I did... Man that was good days to live in Serbia :-) You could empty whole bar and pay only 1 $ for it ... Sobering from that situation was harsh. Now is diffrent story here
Back to the game:
I hope war continues ... Richie corporatio now are willing to pay 2+ for trit just to get back in ships and fight ... Its good to be carebeer those days you can make nice profit :) When wars stops you will see how will price of trit will went down very fast.
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Tanya Raskov > e stvarno minmatar zidaju brodove tako sto odlome deo fabrike i nakace motore
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2004.07.19 19:16:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Nym Qyamara
Edited by: Nym Qyamara on 19/07/2004 18:33:14
Originally by: MalaMo
There is no inflation.
Harvesters once 500k today 3 - 4 mil ?
Implants once 5 mil today 17 - 21 mil ?
Tritanium once 1 ISK today 2.3 ISK
if there is no inflation today - the inflation is comming then.
We need risk in my appnion.
Only demand.
No inflation all prices must go up if there is inflation. You didnt survive real inflation of 1000% per day (maybe more I dont remeber that well those days) I did... Man that was good days to live in Serbia :-) You could empty whole bar and pay only 1 $ for it ... Sobering from that situation was harsh. Now is diffrent story here
Back to the game:
I hope war continues ... Richie corporatio now are willing to pay 2+ for trit just to get back in ships and fight ... Its good to be carebeer those days you can make nice profit :) When wars stops you will see how will price of trit will went down very fast.
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Tanya Raskov > e stvarno minmatar zidaju brodove tako sto odlome deo fabrike i nakace motore
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.07.19 20:46:00 -
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there is no inflation .
most players are as broke as ever , and those that make
the tens of millions a day usually lose them in pvp .
high prices are due to increased demand , and shortage
of supply .
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.07.19 20:46:00 -
[48]
there is no inflation .
most players are as broke as ever , and those that make
the tens of millions a day usually lose them in pvp .
high prices are due to increased demand , and shortage
of supply .
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p0ma
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:10:00 -
[49]
Originally by: FZappa
there is no inflation .
most players are as broke as ever , and those that make
the tens of millions a day usually lose them in pvp .
high prices are due to increased demand , and shortage
of supply .
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
Nice, very nice Zara. Let's have us a screenshot of your wallet(Journal Page) I'd bet my sisters' cherry you have 3 billion isk or more at your disposal. I clearly remember you boasting of having 700 mil isk like...almost a year ago(back when it was NOT possible to make 200 mil isk a night like it is now).
I consider your response extremely sarcastic or distasteful propaganda old chum.
:)
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"Cry Exploit and let slip the Dogs of War" |
p0ma
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:10:00 -
[50]
Originally by: FZappa
there is no inflation .
most players are as broke as ever , and those that make
the tens of millions a day usually lose them in pvp .
high prices are due to increased demand , and shortage
of supply .
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
Nice, very nice Zara. Let's have us a screenshot of your wallet(Journal Page) I'd bet my sisters' cherry you have 3 billion isk or more at your disposal. I clearly remember you boasting of having 700 mil isk like...almost a year ago(back when it was NOT possible to make 200 mil isk a night like it is now).
I consider your response extremely sarcastic or distasteful propaganda old chum.
:)
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"Cry Exploit and let slip the Dogs of War" |
Damajink
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:23:00 -
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What do you need more money sinks for, we already have Cap Recharger IIs 
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Damajink
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:23:00 -
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What do you need more money sinks for, we already have Cap Recharger IIs
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:42:00 -
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Easy solution: NPCs sell limited amounts of "novelty" ships on the market for high prices, ex. the Yacht for ~50m isk.
They shouldn't be useful in combat but they should look pretty and be rare but not unique.
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:42:00 -
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Easy solution: NPCs sell limited amounts of "novelty" ships on the market for high prices, ex. the Yacht for ~50m isk.
They shouldn't be useful in combat but they should look pretty and be rare but not unique.
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.07.20 04:30:00 -
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Or perhaps we just need CCP to take away those sentrys in 0.4 - 0.0 space so we start spending our ISK on insurence. I never lost a battleship - yet I have been fighting in mine and been to 0.0 plenty of times. The game is to safe.
http://worldofwar.dk/tc |
Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.07.20 04:30:00 -
[56]
Or perhaps we just need CCP to take away those sentrys in 0.4 - 0.0 space so we start spending our ISK on insurence. I never lost a battleship - yet I have been fighting in mine and been to 0.0 plenty of times. The game is to safe.
http://worldofwar.dk/tc |
FZappa
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Posted - 2004.07.20 04:53:00 -
[57]
Originally by: p0ma
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
Nice, very nice Zara. Let's have us a screenshot of your wallet(Journal Page) I'd bet my sisters' cherry you have 3 billion isk or more at your disposal. I clearly remember you boasting of having 700 mil isk like...almost a year ago(back when it was NOT possible to make 200 mil isk a night like it is now).
I consider your response extremely sarcastic or distasteful propaganda old chum.
:)
well just now you brought up the biggest isk sink in the game :D . Real life work . i exchanged making billions in virtual money for some some bread and cheese ;)
working 12h+ a day really cuts into your isk income :D
and no ,im not poor ;) isk makes more isk
i think your estimate of how much isk people make off hunting
rats is too high .
i dont know whats the exact % of billionaires in eve ,
but not everyone is a hard core gamer that can spend over
3 hours a day playing .the people who have no life and
are willing to spend their entire free time for a game
deserve to be filthy rich (altho somewhat sad)
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.07.20 04:53:00 -
[58]
Originally by: p0ma
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
Nice, very nice Zara. Let's have us a screenshot of your wallet(Journal Page) I'd bet my sisters' cherry you have 3 billion isk or more at your disposal. I clearly remember you boasting of having 700 mil isk like...almost a year ago(back when it was NOT possible to make 200 mil isk a night like it is now).
I consider your response extremely sarcastic or distasteful propaganda old chum.
:)
well just now you brought up the biggest isk sink in the game :D . Real life work . i exchanged making billions in virtual money for some some bread and cheese ;)
working 12h+ a day really cuts into your isk income :D
and no ,im not poor ;) isk makes more isk
i think your estimate of how much isk people make off hunting
rats is too high .
i dont know whats the exact % of billionaires in eve ,
but not everyone is a hard core gamer that can spend over
3 hours a day playing .the people who have no life and
are willing to spend their entire free time for a game
deserve to be filthy rich (altho somewhat sad)
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p0ma
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Posted - 2004.07.20 05:07:00 -
[59]
Originally by: FZappa
Originally by: p0ma
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
Nice, very nice Zara. Let's have us a screenshot of your wallet(Journal Page) I'd bet my sisters' cherry you have 3 billion isk or more at your disposal. I clearly remember you boasting of having 700 mil isk like...almost a year ago(back when it was NOT possible to make 200 mil isk a night like it is now).
I consider your response extremely sarcastic or distasteful propaganda old chum.
:)
well just now you brought up the biggest isk sink in the game :D . Real life work . i exchanged making billions in virtual money for some some bread and cheese ;)
working 12h+ a day really cuts into your isk income :D
and no ,im not poor ;) isk makes more isk
i think your estimate of how much isk people make off hunting
rats is too high .
i dont know whats the exact % of billionaires in eve ,
but not everyone is a hard core gamer that can spend over
3 hours a day playing .the people who have no life and
are willing to spend their entire free time for a game
deserve to be filthy rich (altho somewhat sad)
I know what you mean actually. I just quit my job I've had for 4 years. It was a nice job but they could never give me any time off as it'd be too expensive to fly in a 'replacement monkey'(see Simpsons episode #417 where Homer takes a leave of absence from work and is replaced with a monkey) from their HQ in Canada. Or perhaps they were just ignorant. Either way I'm off work now for a while to mellow out and yeah I'm making uber-isk as a result.
It's still fairly easy to make 100 mil isk in a matter of 2 hours hunting rats *or* mining arkonor with dual-accts or heck even 1 acct. And don't even start me on Crokite.
Irregardless, 500 mil isk 6 months ago was worth quadruple what 500 mil isk today is worth. Best weapon in game at one point was the Heavy Modulated Beam I and it was selling for 10 mil isk and LOTS of them were dropping everyday. People would be somewhat shocked for anyone to pay 10 mil is for a weapon. Now people pay 135 mil for 1337 weapons heh.
I'll never be comfortable with a 110 million isk ship kitted out with over 250 mil isk in rare modules. Or people offering 260 million isk for a puny little covrt ops frigate.
The End
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"Cry Exploit and let slip the Dogs of War" |
p0ma
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Posted - 2004.07.20 05:07:00 -
[60]
Originally by: FZappa
Originally by: p0ma
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
Nice, very nice Zara. Let's have us a screenshot of your wallet(Journal Page) I'd bet my sisters' cherry you have 3 billion isk or more at your disposal. I clearly remember you boasting of having 700 mil isk like...almost a year ago(back when it was NOT possible to make 200 mil isk a night like it is now).
I consider your response extremely sarcastic or distasteful propaganda old chum.
:)
well just now you brought up the biggest isk sink in the game :D . Real life work . i exchanged making billions in virtual money for some some bread and cheese ;)
working 12h+ a day really cuts into your isk income :D
and no ,im not poor ;) isk makes more isk
i think your estimate of how much isk people make off hunting
rats is too high .
i dont know whats the exact % of billionaires in eve ,
but not everyone is a hard core gamer that can spend over
3 hours a day playing .the people who have no life and
are willing to spend their entire free time for a game
deserve to be filthy rich (altho somewhat sad)
I know what you mean actually. I just quit my job I've had for 4 years. It was a nice job but they could never give me any time off as it'd be too expensive to fly in a 'replacement monkey'(see Simpsons episode #417 where Homer takes a leave of absence from work and is replaced with a monkey) from their HQ in Canada. Or perhaps they were just ignorant. Either way I'm off work now for a while to mellow out and yeah I'm making uber-isk as a result.
It's still fairly easy to make 100 mil isk in a matter of 2 hours hunting rats *or* mining arkonor with dual-accts or heck even 1 acct. And don't even start me on Crokite.
Irregardless, 500 mil isk 6 months ago was worth quadruple what 500 mil isk today is worth. Best weapon in game at one point was the Heavy Modulated Beam I and it was selling for 10 mil isk and LOTS of them were dropping everyday. People would be somewhat shocked for anyone to pay 10 mil is for a weapon. Now people pay 135 mil for 1337 weapons heh.
I'll never be comfortable with a 110 million isk ship kitted out with over 250 mil isk in rare modules. Or people offering 260 million isk for a puny little covrt ops frigate.
The End
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"Cry Exploit and let slip the Dogs of War" |
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