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Auman
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Posted - 2004.07.20 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Auman on 20/07/2004 13:21:30
I don't really understand why warnings are needed. There is no such thing as an un-fair price, different people will put different values on items. Someone might be willing to go 6 jumps to save 3mil, another person can't be bothered. As this is a game a warning on buying things stupidly priced 1000% or more is fine, but the player has to take some responsiblity for their actions.
A warning just serves to drive prices down artificially. Supply and demand should determine the price.
Also you can already check average prices region wide by looking at the table thing. Regional markets should make this game more interesting for traders and manufacturers imo. A global market would make it tougher for small corps.
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Auman
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Posted - 2004.07.20 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Auman on 20/07/2004 13:21:30
I don't really understand why warnings are needed. There is no such thing as an un-fair price, different people will put different values on items. Someone might be willing to go 6 jumps to save 3mil, another person can't be bothered. As this is a game a warning on buying things stupidly priced 1000% or more is fine, but the player has to take some responsiblity for their actions.
A warning just serves to drive prices down artificially. Supply and demand should determine the price.
Also you can already check average prices region wide by looking at the table thing. Regional markets should make this game more interesting for traders and manufacturers imo. A global market would make it tougher for small corps.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.20 13:35:00 -
[93]
I want a pop up warning stating that the target i am about to attack has above average skill points in gunnery, engineering and spaceship command so i can avoid being wtfpwned by people i shouldn't fight.
Anything that promotes lazyness (need for market research) and makes it easier to avoid something that is already stupidly easy to avoid is not good for a game. It makes the players even more complacent, which means they whine even harder when they do get "scammed".
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.07.20 13:35:00 -
[94]
I want a pop up warning stating that the target i am about to attack has above average skill points in gunnery, engineering and spaceship command so i can avoid being wtfpwned by people i shouldn't fight.
Anything that promotes lazyness (need for market research) and makes it easier to avoid something that is already stupidly easy to avoid is not good for a game. It makes the players even more complacent, which means they whine even harder when they do get "scammed".
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Redan Chulipa
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Posted - 2004.07.20 22:43:00 -
[95]
I want a pop-up warning on modules that this may not be the optimal PvP fitting. I can't be bothered to find our for myself.
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Redan Chulipa
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Posted - 2004.07.20 22:43:00 -
[96]
I want a pop-up warning on modules that this may not be the optimal PvP fitting. I can't be bothered to find our for myself.
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Bohr
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Posted - 2004.07.20 23:28:00 -
[97]
And you have every right to buy the Vigil BPO at 2 times cost
Sellers right to sell at double price for making 7 jumps in a shuttle, yes way. My need to buy it, no. My right to get uberly ****ed in the weekend, log on next day and not having to fear clicking the shuttle selling at 70.567.234isk, hell yea.
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Bohr
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Posted - 2004.07.20 23:28:00 -
[98]
And you have every right to buy the Vigil BPO at 2 times cost
Sellers right to sell at double price for making 7 jumps in a shuttle, yes way. My need to buy it, no. My right to get uberly ****ed in the weekend, log on next day and not having to fear clicking the shuttle selling at 70.567.234isk, hell yea.
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2004.07.20 23:34:00 -
[99]
Think Ive mentioned this before but the warning given is based on the average price of items for sale in the region . that figure is so easily manipulated as the warning will have no affect as to improper prices of purchases. at the end of the day if you buy at price x and you are happy then thats that.
Regards Al Thorr
I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape |
Al Thorr
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Posted - 2004.07.20 23:34:00 -
[100]
Think Ive mentioned this before but the warning given is based on the average price of items for sale in the region . that figure is so easily manipulated as the warning will have no affect as to improper prices of purchases. at the end of the day if you buy at price x and you are happy then thats that.
Regards Al Thorr
I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape |
Surefoot
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Posted - 2004.07.20 23:59:00 -
[101]
This doesn't affect how I shop at all. If the cheapest item is 30 jumps away and I want it now, I'm going to buy it no matter what that stupid warning says.
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Surefoot
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Posted - 2004.07.20 23:59:00 -
[102]
This doesn't affect how I shop at all. If the cheapest item is 30 jumps away and I want it now, I'm going to buy it no matter what that stupid warning says.
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John Bishop
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Posted - 2004.07.21 02:54:00 -
[103]
i agree, it is unfortunet that you could get scammed without this feature, but thats life. when you buy a car do you get a warning that says the seller is selling it higher than the dealer 3 blocks down.... no so why should you get a warning in eve.
my 2.5 cents worth
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sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
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John Bishop
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Posted - 2004.07.21 02:54:00 -
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i agree, it is unfortunet that you could get scammed without this feature, but thats life. when you buy a car do you get a warning that says the seller is selling it higher than the dealer 3 blocks down.... no so why should you get a warning in eve.
my 2.5 cents worth
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sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.21 06:37:00 -
[105]
I think the better warning should go something like this.
Do you really want to enter the shuttle for 9999999999999999 x the average value of this item?
<YES>
Warning, you are attempting to price gouge and will be met by an immediate podding and forced removal of your clone if you proceed. Do you still wish to enter the the shuttle for far too much?
<YES>
...Hey, you could have read the info right? No one said you had to click yes.
Also, for the love of God, please stop left justifing prices. It makes it even easier to screw people over.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.07.21 06:37:00 -
[106]
I think the better warning should go something like this.
Do you really want to enter the shuttle for 9999999999999999 x the average value of this item?
<YES>
Warning, you are attempting to price gouge and will be met by an immediate podding and forced removal of your clone if you proceed. Do you still wish to enter the the shuttle for far too much?
<YES>
...Hey, you could have read the info right? No one said you had to click yes.
Also, for the love of God, please stop left justifing prices. It makes it even easier to screw people over.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.07.21 09:49:00 -
[107]
 Originally by: Zarquon Beeblebrox
The warning about buying / selling over or under average price is ruening the market. This will lead to same price in all regions.
This must have been implemented becouse lazy players that dont check their prices have bought and sold things verry cheap or hige. This cant be blamed on the game or anything but them self.
To day i was to buy a original vigil bp becouse i need one out in 0.0 Im in nonni and there is 1 in market. Its priced to 5,2mil which is a pretty hige price but not insane. I did not know what average price was so i pressed buy. Then i get a warning that im about to pay 5mil for a 2,something bp. Since it seems i can save 3mil i fly 7 jumps to minmatar space and buy the bpo there.
This is not right, the seller had probably moved this bpo to nonny just becouse there was noone in market there. He have all the right to make isk on this.
Also, there are many having buy order on modules which npc hunters sell becouse they dont have the refining skills. Now they get a warning that they are to sell a module for a cheap isk. So the chance for them to sell this is less. The one buying this modules spend time making buyorders, compeate with other players that make buy orders and then travle around hauling this modules or minerals they refined from it.
Do CCP really want all modulse, ships, ammo, bp's to be the same price in all regions ?
No CCP get your act to gether and stop feeding the whiners and carebears. Its about time you start thinking on what changes you do and actualy make a stand: This is how it is supose to be and you just have to [fill in the blanks]
CCP you are ruening the game and shooting your self in the foot.
Pathetic to blaim the "whiners and carebears" for everything.
Its there because people abused the system by selling 10 million ISK shuttles etc.
So its actually those with no morals and scammers that caused this "nerf".
Sorry if your best incomesource was ruined
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.07.21 09:49:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Zarquon Beeblebrox
The warning about buying / selling over or under average price is ruening the market. This will lead to same price in all regions.
This must have been implemented becouse lazy players that dont check their prices have bought and sold things verry cheap or hige. This cant be blamed on the game or anything but them self.
To day i was to buy a original vigil bp becouse i need one out in 0.0 Im in nonni and there is 1 in market. Its priced to 5,2mil which is a pretty hige price but not insane. I did not know what average price was so i pressed buy. Then i get a warning that im about to pay 5mil for a 2,something bp. Since it seems i can save 3mil i fly 7 jumps to minmatar space and buy the bpo there.
This is not right, the seller had probably moved this bpo to nonny just becouse there was noone in market there. He have all the right to make isk on this.
Also, there are many having buy order on modules which npc hunters sell becouse they dont have the refining skills. Now they get a warning that they are to sell a module for a cheap isk. So the chance for them to sell this is less. The one buying this modules spend time making buyorders, compeate with other players that make buy orders and then travle around hauling this modules or minerals they refined from it.
Do CCP really want all modulse, ships, ammo, bp's to be the same price in all regions ?
No CCP get your act to gether and stop feeding the whiners and carebears. Its about time you start thinking on what changes you do and actualy make a stand: This is how it is supose to be and you just have to [fill in the blanks]
CCP you are ruening the game and shooting your self in the foot.
Pathetic to blaim the "whiners and carebears" for everything.
Its there because people abused the system by selling 10 million ISK shuttles etc.
So its actually those with no morals and scammers that caused this "nerf".
Sorry if your best incomesource was ruined
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.22 15:18:00 -
[109]
Edited by: FoRGyL on 22/07/2004 15:33:27
Originally by: SlightlyMad
Originally by: Zarquon Beeblebrox
The warning about buying / selling over or under average price is ruening the market. This will lead to same price in all regions.
This must have been implemented becouse lazy players that dont check their prices have bought and sold things verry cheap or hige. This cant be blamed on the game or anything but them self.
To day i was to buy a original vigil bp becouse i need one out in 0.0 Im in nonni and there is 1 in market. Its priced to 5,2mil which is a pretty hige price but not insane. I did not know what average price was so i pressed buy. Then i get a warning that im about to pay 5mil for a 2,something bp. Since it seems i can save 3mil i fly 7 jumps to minmatar space and buy the bpo there.
This is not right, the seller had probably moved this bpo to nonny just becouse there was noone in market there. He have all the right to make isk on this.
Also, there are many having buy order on modules which npc hunters sell becouse they dont have the refining skills. Now they get a warning that they are to sell a module for a cheap isk. So the chance for them to sell this is less. The one buying this modules spend time making buyorders, compeate with other players that make buy orders and then travle around hauling this modules or minerals they refined from it.
Do CCP really want all modulse, ships, ammo, bp's to be the same price in all regions ?
No CCP get your act to gether and stop feeding the whiners and carebears. Its about time you start thinking on what changes you do and actualy make a stand: This is how it is supose to be and you just have to [fill in the blanks]
CCP you are ruening the game and shooting your self in the foot.
Pathetic to blaim the "whiners and carebears" for everything.
Its there because people abused the system by selling 10 million ISK shuttles etc.
So its actually those with no morals and scammers that caused this "nerf".
Sorry if your best incomesource was ruined
nullnull
Excuse me???
ABUSED WHAT???
You can't possible tell me that something is abused when your own lazy ase don't check the price.
That they change something coz people are lazy with all the other stuff that's in the air is amazing.
Trade...poor guys that have spent hours to find out the best places to sell and travel far to do so.
If I put up a high price on a shuttle I will perhaps not get it sold so thats a chance I take and it's your decision to buy it!
This is patethic...u can now see that u can go somewhere else to buy cheaper instead of finding out by yourself..Lame,lazy and a sad move by CCP.
And the point that it will rase inflation even more is right on spot as well.
The changes are for the lazy so the game gets even more convenient ...wonder way CCP! 
Slightly mad indeed!
-out-
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Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff
PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.22 15:18:00 -
[110]
Edited by: FoRGyL on 22/07/2004 15:33:27
Originally by: SlightlyMad
Originally by: Zarquon Beeblebrox
The warning about buying / selling over or under average price is ruening the market. This will lead to same price in all regions.
This must have been implemented becouse lazy players that dont check their prices have bought and sold things verry cheap or hige. This cant be blamed on the game or anything but them self.
To day i was to buy a original vigil bp becouse i need one out in 0.0 Im in nonni and there is 1 in market. Its priced to 5,2mil which is a pretty hige price but not insane. I did not know what average price was so i pressed buy. Then i get a warning that im about to pay 5mil for a 2,something bp. Since it seems i can save 3mil i fly 7 jumps to minmatar space and buy the bpo there.
This is not right, the seller had probably moved this bpo to nonny just becouse there was noone in market there. He have all the right to make isk on this.
Also, there are many having buy order on modules which npc hunters sell becouse they dont have the refining skills. Now they get a warning that they are to sell a module for a cheap isk. So the chance for them to sell this is less. The one buying this modules spend time making buyorders, compeate with other players that make buy orders and then travle around hauling this modules or minerals they refined from it.
Do CCP really want all modulse, ships, ammo, bp's to be the same price in all regions ?
No CCP get your act to gether and stop feeding the whiners and carebears. Its about time you start thinking on what changes you do and actualy make a stand: This is how it is supose to be and you just have to [fill in the blanks]
CCP you are ruening the game and shooting your self in the foot.
Pathetic to blaim the "whiners and carebears" for everything.
Its there because people abused the system by selling 10 million ISK shuttles etc.
So its actually those with no morals and scammers that caused this "nerf".
Sorry if your best incomesource was ruined
nullnull
Excuse me???
ABUSED WHAT???
You can't possible tell me that something is abused when your own lazy ase don't check the price.
That they change something coz people are lazy with all the other stuff that's in the air is amazing.
Trade...poor guys that have spent hours to find out the best places to sell and travel far to do so.
If I put up a high price on a shuttle I will perhaps not get it sold so thats a chance I take and it's your decision to buy it!
This is patethic...u can now see that u can go somewhere else to buy cheaper instead of finding out by yourself..Lame,lazy and a sad move by CCP.
And the point that it will rase inflation even more is right on spot as well.
The changes are for the lazy so the game gets even more convenient ...wonder way CCP!
Slightly mad indeed!
-out-
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Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff
PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
fuze
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Posted - 2004.07.22 21:46:00 -
[111]
Just look at the markets. Price are diverse enough. So don't whine about that.
And still there are plenty of scammers that dare to ask millions for basic (crap).
Of course CCP want's to hug the nubz because they leave the game because of just one incident like this. That's not stooopid. It's keeping an eye for biz if you ask me.
Only thing CCP could do is make it an feature you can switch on/off for the ones who do like to get scammed. And link it to skillpoints or stuff like that.
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Favorite bumpersticker of the month:
My head hurts! |
fuze
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Posted - 2004.07.22 21:46:00 -
[112]
Just look at the markets. Price are diverse enough. So don't whine about that.
And still there are plenty of scammers that dare to ask millions for basic (crap).
Of course CCP want's to hug the nubz because they leave the game because of just one incident like this. That's not stooopid. It's keeping an eye for biz if you ask me.
Only thing CCP could do is make it an feature you can switch on/off for the ones who do like to get scammed. And link it to skillpoints or stuff like that.
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Favorite bumpersticker of the month:
My head hurts! |
Redan Chulipa
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Posted - 2004.07.22 22:01:00 -
[113]
Some people actually look at the pricetag and aren't retarded.
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Redan Chulipa
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Posted - 2004.07.22 22:01:00 -
[114]
Some people actually look at the pricetag and aren't retarded.
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.07.22 22:29:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Lustralis on 22/07/2004 22:45:33
Originally by: Zarquon Beeblebrox
I sugest everyone agains this thing put a couple of all kinds of mods out on the market for 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 ... isk and we soon have fixed this carebeare thing from the market.
I have to say that you are all being rather short sighted. The problem is that market griefers can easily take advantage of n00bs without the warning. I am partially dyslexic and sometimes I have trouble working out the correct amount given the decimal! I remember when this was brought in during beta 7 (I think) and the reason was clear to me then.
Since its been in, I've sold ore for below market "average price" and bought equipment at above "average price" - knowing the average price has enabled me to decide whether it is worth paying more depending on my need. The only issue is whether you are going to prey on players ignorance or carelessness to rip them off.
NPC produced equipment should have a warning attached. It is the same across regions any how so having the same-ish prices for it across regions doesn't seem to be a problem. However, when player created equipment comes in (items tagged with the player who made them and with performance according to his skills - which should be in Tech III I think) then the warning will be superfluous because much equipment will be "unique".
By the way, I saw an Afterburner skill on sale in my region for 14,000,000! Clearly trying to trick an unsuspecting customer who thought it was 14,000 or something. If this had been bought, it would have been griefing pure and simple.
And like Columbo, I have just one more thing to say: do you who think this feature should be removed because people "don't bother to check so its their own fault" use any Undo/Redo feature in programs on your desktop? If so, you are hypocrite because this feature exists because people make mistakes and its basically the same concept.
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.07.22 22:29:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Lustralis on 22/07/2004 22:45:33
Originally by: Zarquon Beeblebrox
I sugest everyone agains this thing put a couple of all kinds of mods out on the market for 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 ... isk and we soon have fixed this carebeare thing from the market.
I have to say that you are all being rather short sighted. The problem is that market griefers can easily take advantage of n00bs without the warning. I am partially dyslexic and sometimes I have trouble working out the correct amount given the decimal! I remember when this was brought in during beta 7 (I think) and the reason was clear to me then.
Since its been in, I've sold ore for below market "average price" and bought equipment at above "average price" - knowing the average price has enabled me to decide whether it is worth paying more depending on my need. The only issue is whether you are going to prey on players ignorance or carelessness to rip them off.
NPC produced equipment should have a warning attached. It is the same across regions any how so having the same-ish prices for it across regions doesn't seem to be a problem. However, when player created equipment comes in (items tagged with the player who made them and with performance according to his skills - which should be in Tech III I think) then the warning will be superfluous because much equipment will be "unique".
By the way, I saw an Afterburner skill on sale in my region for 14,000,000! Clearly trying to trick an unsuspecting customer who thought it was 14,000 or something. If this had been bought, it would have been griefing pure and simple.
And like Columbo, I have just one more thing to say: do you who think this feature should be removed because people "don't bother to check so its their own fault" use any Undo/Redo feature in programs on your desktop? If so, you are hypocrite because this feature exists because people make mistakes and its basically the same concept.
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La Pasionaria
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Posted - 2004.07.22 22:54:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Auman
Edited by: Auman on 20/07/2004 13:21:30
A warning just serves to drive prices down artificially. Supply and demand should determine the price.
That statement is completely without foundation. The warning prompts people to consider that they are paying over the odds, it doesn't prevent you as a seller naming your sell price or likewise a buyer paying what he thinks is a reasonable price. Supply and demand *does* determine the price.
The only people who could possibly object to the warning are scammers, pure and simple. Now I wonder what the motivation of the thread starter could possibly be? |
La Pasionaria
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Posted - 2004.07.22 22:54:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Auman
Edited by: Auman on 20/07/2004 13:21:30
A warning just serves to drive prices down artificially. Supply and demand should determine the price.
That statement is completely without foundation. The warning prompts people to consider that they are paying over the odds, it doesn't prevent you as a seller naming your sell price or likewise a buyer paying what he thinks is a reasonable price. Supply and demand *does* determine the price.
The only people who could possibly object to the warning are scammers, pure and simple. Now I wonder what the motivation of the thread starter could possibly be? |
Mei Mei
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Posted - 2004.07.22 23:00:00 -
[119]
on this line of thought, are there any market research corps out there?
It would make sense to have some if it were profitable. All you need is people in all reagions pooling their resources to update a master market spreadsheet. Then they could sell their results to traders, corps for a percentage of profits.
bah... me = bored
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Homer: Don't you have school?
Bart: Don't you have work?
Homer: Touche
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Mei Mei
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Posted - 2004.07.22 23:00:00 -
[120]
on this line of thought, are there any market research corps out there?
It would make sense to have some if it were profitable. All you need is people in all reagions pooling their resources to update a master market spreadsheet. Then they could sell their results to traders, corps for a percentage of profits.
bah... me = bored
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Homer: Don't you have school?
Bart: Don't you have work?
Homer: Touche
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