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Redan Chulipa
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Posted - 2004.07.22 23:50:00 -
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What La Pasasomething above here doesn't seem to get is the notion of you putting items on the market for over average market value will prompt some people to adjust their prices to undercut this percieved average in order to move their goods, in a fashion they'd not done without the warning, thus the warning is actively driving the prices down.
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Redan Chulipa
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Posted - 2004.07.22 23:50:00 -
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What La Pasasomething above here doesn't seem to get is the notion of you putting items on the market for over average market value will prompt some people to adjust their prices to undercut this percieved average in order to move their goods, in a fashion they'd not done without the warning, thus the warning is actively driving the prices down.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.23 08:47:00 -
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Are you quite mad? Or merely uneducated. the precept of free market economics is that buyers make informed choices with full knowledge of prices on goods and their substitutes.
This warning is not changing prices at all. Its ONLY negative impact is, with such a low threshhold, that people will learn to ignore it, and thus it will fail its primary use - catching fraudulent sales.
The dialog should be entirely unnecessary. The real problem is the confusing market interface that at the best of times makes it rather unclear which sell order you are actually buying from, and puts the price you are paying in a screen full of text.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.23 08:47:00 -
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Are you quite mad? Or merely uneducated. the precept of free market economics is that buyers make informed choices with full knowledge of prices on goods and their substitutes.
This warning is not changing prices at all. Its ONLY negative impact is, with such a low threshhold, that people will learn to ignore it, and thus it will fail its primary use - catching fraudulent sales.
The dialog should be entirely unnecessary. The real problem is the confusing market interface that at the best of times makes it rather unclear which sell order you are actually buying from, and puts the price you are paying in a screen full of text.
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La Pasionaria
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:27:00 -
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Having a price warning doesn't hurt free trade. Does it actually *prevent* someone paying your asking price? NOT AT ALL. It's just a useful consumer protection that helps against scammers and assorted lowlife. Any legitmate producers complaining about it are either too lazy to move their goods to areas that will give the level of return they want, or are just CAREBEARS who want something for nothing.
There are HUGE areas of low security space where supply is almost non-existent and where consumers will pay over the odds for the convenience of buying your goods without the hassle of a 20 jump round trip to the nearest trade hub. So get out there and sell your stuff in areas that justify the sort of mark-up you want, and stop being such lazy whiners.
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La Pasionaria
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:27:00 -
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Having a price warning doesn't hurt free trade. Does it actually *prevent* someone paying your asking price? NOT AT ALL. It's just a useful consumer protection that helps against scammers and assorted lowlife. Any legitmate producers complaining about it are either too lazy to move their goods to areas that will give the level of return they want, or are just CAREBEARS who want something for nothing.
There are HUGE areas of low security space where supply is almost non-existent and where consumers will pay over the odds for the convenience of buying your goods without the hassle of a 20 jump round trip to the nearest trade hub. So get out there and sell your stuff in areas that justify the sort of mark-up you want, and stop being such lazy whiners.
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Davich MacGregor
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:39:00 -
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I totally ignore the bloody thing. If I'm selling I fix the price where I can make a good profit and I check the region I'm selling in to see how it matches current region prices. If I'm buying I pay what I feel is a fair price. If I can't find what I feel is a good price I don't buy.
Stellar Products and Quality Resources
ticker: SPQR
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Davich MacGregor
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:39:00 -
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I totally ignore the bloody thing. If I'm selling I fix the price where I can make a good profit and I check the region I'm selling in to see how it matches current region prices. If I'm buying I pay what I feel is a fair price. If I can't find what I feel is a good price I don't buy.
Stellar Products and Quality Resources
ticker: SPQR
established 6-03
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FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:03:00 -
[129]
 Originally by: La Pasionaria
Originally by: Auman
Edited by: Auman on 20/07/2004 13:21:30
A warning just serves to drive prices down artificially. Supply and demand should determine the price.
That statement is completely without foundation. The warning prompts people to consider that they are paying over the odds, it doesn't prevent you as a seller naming your sell price or likewise a buyer paying what he thinks is a reasonable price. Supply and demand *does* determine the price.
The only people who could possibly object to the warning are scammers, pure and simple. Now I wonder what the motivation of the thread starter could possibly be? 
Exactly!! and they should find out themselves, Not driving price down? So in the long run you this will not have a impact on prices?
And new players should learn aswell, let's say I'am a new player a travel and see stuff that is cheaper then where I came from then buy some and sell a do very small profit but feel good about myself when I see it sell and has started that career for example.
So acctually if u speak of new player they will be more aware of the market the space gonna feel smaller and so on.
This is like an market implant, and yes I don't think it serves well for the market.
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FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: La Pasionaria
Originally by: Auman
Edited by: Auman on 20/07/2004 13:21:30
A warning just serves to drive prices down artificially. Supply and demand should determine the price.
That statement is completely without foundation. The warning prompts people to consider that they are paying over the odds, it doesn't prevent you as a seller naming your sell price or likewise a buyer paying what he thinks is a reasonable price. Supply and demand *does* determine the price.
The only people who could possibly object to the warning are scammers, pure and simple. Now I wonder what the motivation of the thread starter could possibly be?
Exactly!! and they should find out themselves, Not driving price down? So in the long run you this will not have a impact on prices?
And new players should learn aswell, let's say I'am a new player a travel and see stuff that is cheaper then where I came from then buy some and sell a do very small profit but feel good about myself when I see it sell and has started that career for example.
So acctually if u speak of new player they will be more aware of the market the space gonna feel smaller and so on.
This is like an market implant, and yes I don't think it serves well for the market.
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Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff
PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!! |
Armaki Kalear
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Posted - 2004.07.23 12:13:00 -
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 Funniest thing I've read all day.
Um, hello, it's a warning message. You can click yes or no. It's completely up to you.
Good job Bhaal for realising that and for telling it like it is.
Good job Oveur and F'nog for saying some tweaking might make the feature more useful.
Pretty much everyone else was just having a rant, for or against, market scammers.
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Armaki Kalear
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Posted - 2004.07.23 12:13:00 -
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Funniest thing I've read all day.
Um, hello, it's a warning message. You can click yes or no. It's completely up to you.
Good job Bhaal for realising that and for telling it like it is.
Good job Oveur and F'nog for saying some tweaking might make the feature more useful.
Pretty much everyone else was just having a rant, for or against, market scammers.
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Top 5 corporation improvements as requested by CEOÆs |
Torpedo2k
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Posted - 2004.07.23 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lustralis
Edited by: Lustralis on 22/07/2004 22:45:33
By the way, I saw an Afterburner skill on sale in my region for 14,000,000! Clearly trying to trick an unsuspecting customer who thought it was 14,000 or something. If this had been bought, it would have been griefing pure and simple.
So by your reasoning if I haul 10 widgets that cost 5k from empire to a 0.0 system where there are none and sell them for 5,000,000 each- I am a geiefing? I think not. There was a lot of risk involved getting them there and since there was no widget market- I created the market for them! I can charge anything I want! Simple supply and demand.
My Rant...
This games has a risk vs. reward element. The same people in this thread praising CCPs action on this matter will be crying in their soup when the profit margins are so razor thin they cant afford to buy components to make the next batch. And BTW a true noob cant buy a 100mil shuttle. They dont HAVE 100mil. I love the way this game is imitating real life.  A FEW people with extremely low morals scam a FEW people who dont educate themselves and the Goverment (CCP) passes a law (patch) to try and appease the FEW who dont want to educate them selves. If I ever had bought an overpriced module I would have learned a valuable lesson (just like real life) and moved on. Because ISK has no value in Real Life. 
 torp
There are no:
1-Safe spots
2-Ore thieves
3-Corp thieves
Just people that do not understand game mechanics.
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Torpedo2k
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Posted - 2004.07.23 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lustralis
Edited by: Lustralis on 22/07/2004 22:45:33
By the way, I saw an Afterburner skill on sale in my region for 14,000,000! Clearly trying to trick an unsuspecting customer who thought it was 14,000 or something. If this had been bought, it would have been griefing pure and simple.
So by your reasoning if I haul 10 widgets that cost 5k from empire to a 0.0 system where there are none and sell them for 5,000,000 each- I am a geiefing? I think not. There was a lot of risk involved getting them there and since there was no widget market- I created the market for them! I can charge anything I want! Simple supply and demand.
My Rant...
This games has a risk vs. reward element. The same people in this thread praising CCPs action on this matter will be crying in their soup when the profit margins are so razor thin they cant afford to buy components to make the next batch. And BTW a true noob cant buy a 100mil shuttle. They dont HAVE 100mil. I love the way this game is imitating real life. A FEW people with extremely low morals scam a FEW people who dont educate themselves and the Goverment (CCP) passes a law (patch) to try and appease the FEW who dont want to educate them selves. If I ever had bought an overpriced module I would have learned a valuable lesson (just like real life) and moved on. Because ISK has no value in Real Life.
torp
There are no:
1-Safe spots
2-Ore thieves
3-Corp thieves
Just people that do not understand game mechanics.
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