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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2112

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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:28:00 -
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In my travels around the world, one of the things I discovered is that in the UK, the locals prefer to use their own kind of money to pay for stuff.
Others here at CCP have noticed this too and as a result, as announced at Fanfest, UK residents will soon be able to pay for EVE and related services in their own currency. Please go here to read more on the details in CCP Garlakadl's blog, and let us know if any questions arise.
P.s. Hope I'll see many of you in at the player meet in London! CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Kalestra Cable
Faust Industries
7
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:32:00 -
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Awesome news  |

Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
211
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:37:00 -
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Kalestra Cable wrote:Awesome news  Indeed... Great news. |

St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
630
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:37:00 -
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Pip pip ol' chap! |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3095
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:39:00 -
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Ewrope!
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Lord Saradomin
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:41:00 -
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Quite simply the best change to EVE ever
Thanks!!! |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
701
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:46:00 -
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Cool |

Trudge Amatin
Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:46:00 -
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Got a question, both my accounts run out days before the May 1st crossover. Will i still have to pay in Euros before then? Its gonna be quite gutted to be shafted by -ú5-6 because im a couple days early :x. |

Iboku Kaeane
Royal House of Kaeane
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:52:00 -
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so, i couldn't fail to notice the part where it will be cheaper to pay in GBP.
so... two questions: A: will the euro price be adjusted to compete? B: if not, being from denmark, how can i pay with GBP? |

Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1771
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:55:00 -
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This is great news, and I'll be there at the meetup, representing both the CSM and E-UNI. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |

Shanlara
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
23
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Posted - 2012.04.13 10:57:00 -
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Iboku Kaeane wrote:so, i couldn't fail to notice the part where it will be cheaper to pay in GBP.
so... two questions: A: will the euro price be adjusted to compete? B: if not, being from denmark, how can i pay with GBP?
this was my exact thought |

Hektor Fisk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:00:00 -
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Iboku Kaeane wrote:so, i couldn't fail to notice the part where it will be cheaper to pay in GBP.
so... two questions: A: will the euro price be adjusted to compete? B: if not, being from denmark, how can i pay with GBP?
Second that. It would be great, if you could comment on that. |

Sheena Tzash
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:04:00 -
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FYI you can't seem to change the subscription NOW to take effect from May 1st.
I've bascially had to cancel my subscription (which is billed monthly) and have to wait till May 1st to resubscribe when the new rates come into play. |

Jonah Gravenstein
133
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:07:00 -
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I may have to let my account lapse until May 1 so I can pay in -ú, either that or try and sell some crap off for plex. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Jack Paladin
Solar Storm Intrepid Crossing
141
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:08:00 -
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Good show chaps! |

Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
585
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:09:00 -
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Shanlara wrote:Iboku Kaeane wrote:so, i couldn't fail to notice the part where it will be cheaper to pay in GBP.
so... two questions: A: will the euro price be adjusted to compete? B: if not, being from denmark, how can i pay with GBP? this was my exact thought
As was mine, if the English are getting a discount for being on "the isle" I want a discount for being on "the continent". - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |

Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
50
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:09:00 -
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Cheaper subscriptions for us Brits GÇô more money left to buy tasty faggots and tripe \0/ |

RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
185
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:16:00 -
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OK - 1st time I've cancelled now I just have to wait until December so I can re-sub .... ;-p damn 7months
+1 to ccp for UKP option though http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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bomb1911
Los Terribles Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:23:00 -
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Now for a NZD or AUS currency :D
Good job guys. |

Peekabooy
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:37:00 -
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Iboku Kaeane wrote:so, i couldn't fail to notice the part where it will be cheaper to pay in GBP.
so... two questions: A: will the euro price be adjusted to compete? B: if not, being from denmark, how can i pay with GBP? This. So many times this. |

Jack Corigan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:42:00 -
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Great news ! I make enough isk per month to pay for 2 accounts but it leaves me very little isk to play with so this is great timing with my decision to go back to a monthly subscription ! |

Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
100
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:04:00 -
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Why do people make events right down at the bottom of the island and not in the middle so everybody can attend?  |

ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
36
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:10:00 -
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So uhm, why again am I still going to pay 39Gé¼ for three months over here in "mainland Urop", when the Brits are only going to pay about 33Gé¼ ? |

Holly Bishop
Silverwing Explorers Unfamiliar Presence
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:21:00 -
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So it's now cheaper to subscribe than to buy PLEX from America and have codes emailed to me.
This is, in fact, great news.
Maybe I can start subscribing accounts instead of PLEX'ing them all! |

quickshot89
No trouble in the midst STR8NGE BREW
12
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:23:00 -
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ivar R'dhak wrote:So uhm, why again am I still going to pay 39Gé¼ for three months over here in "mainland Urop", when the Brits are only going to pay about 33Gé¼ ?
Because the Euro currently sucks??
This is such big win from CCP |

eaterofcheese
Solar Deliberative Games of Divinity
3
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:25:00 -
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ARSE 
I have just renewed my account (and that of my alt) by buying 6-months subs each in one payment. I could have saved if I hadn't paid in advance.
Still, a reduction in UK subs is A Good Thing in principle. Pity it'll take me 5 months to enjoy it  |

Dp Wiz
Iron Hands Flight School
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:26:00 -
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Now, please do this to russian currency too  |

Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
118
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:31:00 -
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Dp Wiz wrote:Now, please do this to russian currency too 
Vodka for PLEX.
Good stuff. I remember the days when EVE Subs were in -ú, and I only paid -ú8/month. So going for the 12 month sub :D I have a specific comb for my beard. |

Wyvern Eden
Eden's Spaceship Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:36:00 -
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Iboku Kaeane wrote:so, i couldn't fail to notice the part where it will be cheaper to pay in GBP.
so... two questions: A: will the euro price be adjusted to compete? B: if not, being from denmark, how can i pay with GBP?
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Rashmika Clavain
Revelation Space
6
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:39:00 -
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I am seriously impressed.
*waves two fingers @ currency conversion fees wielded by UK banks* |

Mallikanth
L V B Industries
58
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:41:00 -
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Subscription Cancelled Renew subscription Price is offered in Euros (Still) What gives?
Believe in what they do, not what they say. Occasionally posts stuff as @Hamerhead
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
912
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:58:00 -
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i only recently paid for a 12 month sub in euros
FML My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Xaarous
Fleetworks ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:00:00 -
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Mallikanth wrote:Subscription Cancelled Renew subscription Price is offered in Euros (Still) What gives? I completed the transaction in case it changed form Euro to Pounds at the end, but my PayPal bill was in Euros!? (38.85 euros) 
You should read the first part of the devblog again: "...This change will take effect on May 1st, 2012 with the following pricing options available..." |

Pirmasis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
4
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:01:00 -
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Quote:Costs in Europe
Cost/Month Total Cost 1-month-plan Gé¼ 14.95 Gé¼ 14.95 3-month-plan Gé¼ 12.95 Gé¼ 38.85 6-month-plan Gé¼ 11.95 Gé¼ 71.70 12-month-plan Gé¼ 10.95 Gé¼ 131.40
Outside Europe
Cost/Month Total Cost 1-month-plan $ 14.95 $ 14.95 3-month-plan $ 12.95 $ 38.85 6-month-plan $ 11.95 $ 71.70 12-month-plan $ 10.95 $ 131.40
Why should I pay more only because I live in Europe? Or not in UK? It's not my fault, that I born in EU...
It's so... racist! 
Who, besides me, wants equal prices? |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
914
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:08:00 -
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12 PLEX from shattered crystal website - $209. 94 (-ú131.70) 12 PLEX from EVE Online as per this devblog - ($286.98) -ú179.99
Now, thats almost a -ú50 increase
Please explain why you think it is OK to overcharge people who do not know about external GTC retailers My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

darmwand
Repo.
34
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:15:00 -
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I also think that at least for people whose country doesn't use Gé¼, Géñ or $, it would be nice if we had a choice, ideally, everybody would be free to choose the currency for their payment. At the moment it seems there's a rather arbitrary default to a "bad" choice GÇô not sure why I should be paying significantly more than the Brits just because my country doesn't suck with money  darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |

MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Persona Non Gratis
54
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:17:00 -
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Djakku wrote:Why do people make events right down at the bottom of the island and not in the middle so everybody can attend? 
This. But good show on the currency change folks. "Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |

Mallikanth
L V B Industries
58
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:19:00 -
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Xaarous wrote: You should read the first part of the devblog again: "...This change will take effect on May 1st, 2012 with the following pricing options available..."
Doh! Reading comprehension FTW!  Believe in what they do, not what they say. Occasionally posts stuff as @Hamerhead
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Rivur'Tam
the united Negative Ten.
24
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:19:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:12 PLEX from shattered crystal website - $209. 94 (-ú131.70) 12 PLEX from EVE Online as per this devblog - ($286.98) -ú179.99
Now, thats almost a -ú50 increase
Please explain why you think it is OK to overcharge people who do not know about external GTC retailers
You should be selling PLEX for -ú10 not -ú17, as thats what shattered crystal seem to be able to do
wow ccp prove the are retards lol
this proves my point eve is a pay to win game 30 days game time -ú9.99 500 mil isk -ú17
a plex is suppose to be 30 days game time to help players but as i have always said its a way for ccp to sell isk
CCP HAVE BUY ORDERS FOR PLEX if you don't belive this u are ******** they don't even make an effort to hide it
put 5 plex on the market for 1 mil above the rest of the buy orders and they sell 1 per minute lmao
your much better off buying from a website thanks for nothing ccp Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
^^ my sig was awesome that naugty spitfire stole it for himself true story
United Recruitment Director. |

Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
229
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:36:00 -
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So let me pay in pounds instead, that's just as good for me as euros currently are, as I'm not in a country that has euro as currency. |

Axel Greye
High Velocity Heroes
49
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:47:00 -
[41] - Quote
This may seem like a ray of sunshine to all us UK dwellers, but if you actually look past the CCP spin doctors you are losing more money.
Price of a 1 Month Sub on Eve Account Management: $14.95
$1 Conversion Rate to GBP = 0.627
$14.95 Converted to GBP = -ú9.39
So basically what CCP is saying here, is that they don't want UK users paying the same as Americans, but are going to round it up and try to pass it off as a good deal.
Forgive me for being a butthurt poor student. D:< |

Isha Aylet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:56:00 -
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Axel Greye wrote:This may seem like a ray of sunshine to all us UK dwellers, but if you actually look past the CCP spin doctors you are losing more money.
Price of a 1 Month Sub on Eve Account Management: $14.95
$1 Conversion Rate to GBP = 0.627
$14.95 Converted to GBP = -ú9.39
So basically what CCP is saying here, is that they don't want UK users paying the same as Americans, but are going to round it up and try to pass it off as a good deal.
Forgive me for being a butthurt poor student. D:<
Tbh its probably more of a move to bring the price of EvE more in line with other popular MMO's in the UK, seeing as at around -ú13 eve was between -ú4 and -ú7 more expensive than other MMO subs.
As for the US price thing, it's pretty much the same for most products - you just get used to it if your from the UK (for example a standard $50 game should be -ú31 where as a standard release game in the UK is -ú35) It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll. I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul. ~* William Ernest Henley*~ -á |

Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
141
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:08:00 -
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Jackie Fisher wrote:more money left to buy tasty faggots \0/ The Order of the Falcon or Hin +¡slenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
600
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:18:00 -
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I guess mainland Europeans don't know what money conversion means anymore.
Remember a time when you needed to convert to francs if you were visiting France?
Guess not.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |

Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:19:00 -
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Dev Blog delievers.
For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
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Merch BAYLOR
RoamSquad
3
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:49:00 -
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Hektor Fisk wrote:Iboku Kaeane wrote:so, i couldn't fail to notice the part where it will be cheaper to pay in GBP.
so... two questions: A: will the euro price be adjusted to compete? B: if not, being from denmark, how can i pay with GBP? Second that. It would be great, if you could comment on that.
We'll never receive a comment on this. It's something EVERY international company is taking advantage of. Why?! We're still paying/buying games despite the considerable price difference.
Same with the price differences between US and EU, yes, even after taking into consideration the VAT tax EU has.
However, one can only hope to see what a corporate-like answer would look on this  |

Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
146
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:52:00 -
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Are you paying attention Blizzard? |

Agente
Tormentum Insomniae Raiden.
5
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:53:00 -
[48] - Quote
Payment around the world:
Europe14.95Gé¼ ETC13.25Gé¼ GB 12.12Gé¼ USA11.32Gé¼
I still want to pay $.
Dont worry, I will deal with VISA.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
916
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:54:00 -
[49] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:visiting France? lel My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Arline Kley
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
7
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:14:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Hope I'll see many of you in at the player meet in London!
Goddamnit.
The one time I wanted/get to meet CCP, and I'm going to be at WORK. *flips table*
Why couldn't you make it a Saturday *sad face*
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Danny Centauri
Real Time Industries
40
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:47:00 -
[51] - Quote
Completely understand your international pricing strategy, even though ETC sellers seem to be a minor whole in it making it some what irrelevant.
However, I have to say that letting everyone in Europe know about a change that has only negotive associations for them is a bit silly. Surely you could have sent this as an email campaign to UK customers only.
Btw thank you for this change, being from the UK I approve and hopefully all of the lol WOW players will see EVE as an alternative now the price is the same. Hey never going to complain at having more noobs to shoot. |

Pirmasis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
4
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:30:00 -
[52] - Quote
Agente wrote:Payment around the world:
Europe14.95Gé¼ ETC13.25Gé¼ GB 12.12Gé¼ USA11.32Gé¼
I still want to pay $.
Dont worry, I will deal with VISA.
Anyone knows how I could pay in $? Should I change my location on Windows setings? Or I should log in from PC in USA? |

ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells
18
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:17:00 -
[53] - Quote
On a serious note will there be some sort of rebate from the 1st of may to the next subscription payment for us players who have time left from the old dearer rate? |

taintedms
Army of the 4 Races Terran Commonwealth
5
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:35:00 -
[54] - Quote
You guys are nuts. Accept different currency - sure, sounds good. But you have to pick one to be the base, and charge the equivelent exchange for them all or its noting but racist.
And you were doing so well before this CCP, way to screw the pooch and remind us of your true colors. |

Rob Stark
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:56:00 -
[55] - Quote
Agente wrote:Payment around the world:
Europe14.95Gé¼ ETC13.25Gé¼ GB 12.12Gé¼ USA11.32Gé¼
I still want to pay $.
Dont worry, I will deal with VISA.
This. I've always thought that it is outrageous, that we europeans must pay more than the americans. Now this. Of coure, I know ccp has every right to do different pricning, but still, it's revolting. |

Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT Interstellar Trade Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:14:00 -
[56] - Quote
Sooo..let me get this straight. The britts get cheaper EVE because CCP Unifex (the current EVE lead DEV) is a britt ?
From that angle it looks as blatant discrimination of other nations.
So anyone at CCP, would you please comment on the reasoning. |

Trudge Amatin
Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:26:00 -
[57] - Quote
Charles Javeroux wrote:Sooo..let me get this straight. The britts get cheaper EVE because CCP Unifex (the current EVE lead DEV) is a britt ?
From that angle it looks as blatant discrimination of other nations.
So anyone at CCP, would you please comment on the reasoning.
Given that the UK provides eve with its second highest userbase after the US players. It makes sense to cater to our payment options. That and not having to pay currency conversion fees ON TOP OF sub fee, will be bliss to many of us UK based players. |

Noxious89123
Screaming Rubber Ducks From Outer Space Revenant Front
1
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:52:00 -
[58] - Quote
Charles Javeroux wrote:Sooo..let me get this straight. The britts get cheaper EVE because CCP Unifex (the current EVE lead DEV) is a britt ?
From that angle it looks as blatant discrimination of other nations.
So anyone at CCP, would you please comment on the reasoning.
It's because your currency is worthless.  |

Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
469
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:13:00 -
[59] - Quote
Very nice, looking forward to this change. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |

GeMiPaT
The Holy Knights of Malta
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:28:00 -
[60] - Quote
Hey CCP, I would like to know why paying a GBP Tariff is cheaper than paying GBP on a EUR tariff ?
- EURO situation ? no that's a joke, EUR is much stronger than what you can read on the news. - Foreign exchange rate to your preferred currencies ? EUR to USD or GBP. No, Exchange rate is a cost but surely does not explain such a difference - Interest rates on related currencies ? No, of course not as you can exchange into another currency as explained above but even without that, the interest rates differences are not that high between them all to explain such big difference in billing. - Insurrance to cover the EUR erratic quotation moves of these last months ? No, it's not that expansive and as I said it has highs and lows.
So this means that it's not related to Economic or banking fees or transactions fees... so this is a marketing / pricing decision.... And I want to know why ? I'm happy for the UK players but why on Earth does that mean that the UK Equivalent is cheaper than if we convert the EUR price to GBP. You are breaking the trust of the customers that we are.
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Callimminniss Prdsk
Cyrix Ltd. Tamanium
2
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:17:00 -
[61] - Quote
quick question:
I'm outside Europe but paying from a UK bank account, will I automatically be paying as UK?
CP |

Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
174
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:41:00 -
[62] - Quote
UK players have been paying more than Euro players for the best part of a decade, so **** off with the "racist" crap.
CCP made UK players pay in Euros simply because that was in their interests - they bet that the Euro would be proportionally stronger than sterling.
Now they're betting that sterling will be proportionally stronger than the Euro.
Frankly that's a no-brainer as the Euro is going down the toilet this year - don't kid yourselves, things are going to be MUCH worse than last year. ECB has thrown over a trillion Euros away by trying to maintain a currency which cannot work unless there is complete political union. German taxpayers (although most are unaware of this) have committed nearly 500 BILLION Euros to firefighting the impossible and they're NEVER going to see that repaid. However that's fair enough in my book as it was the criminal behaviour of the Landesbanks (banking all those state funds in Ireland then demanding the Irish people bail out German state banks) which triggered the Euro crisis.
The Spanish banks are going to go properly bust this year and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Spain having a revolution - 53% of all under-25s are unemployed, 60% of youth unemployed seems to be the point at which revolutions occur ("Arab Spring" for example).
Italy is a basket case - they've had useless govt for the best part of 20 years and the birthrate has fallen so low that in the next 5-10 years they will be completely unable to fund pensions or healthcare.
Greece is pretty much corrupt to the core, seems like every set of financial figures that comes from there admits to more corruption and lies, they will have to leave the Euro, no doubt about it.
Portugal is poor, always has been really. Nobody is getting money back from there.
France is heavily exposed to Greek and Italian debt, their banks will be on the brink of failing this year too.
Iceland did the right thing by telling private bondholders to go **** themselves. Hopefully Ireland will follow suit after the referendum.
tl;dr CCP would have to be clinically insane to base future revenue planning on the Euro.
Edit - the UK is a basket case too but the difference is we have the longest bonds (gilts) out of any country in Europe. Most of our debts don't need rolling over for 14 years. Spain for example has to find 300 billion in funding in the next 3 years just to rollover current debt. |

Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:36:00 -
[63] - Quote
Who came up with the pun for the title of the dev blog?  |

Pirmasis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
8
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:51:00 -
[64] - Quote
Othran wrote:CCP would have to be clinically insane to base future revenue planning on the Euro. I agree. We should NOT pay expensive... I mean not stable Euro price. We should pay more cheaper... I mean more stable GBP, or US Dolar price
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
174
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:05:00 -
[65] - Quote
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:Othran wrote:CCP would have to be clinically insane to base future revenue planning on the Euro. I agree. We should NOT pay expensive... I mean not stable Euro price. We should pay more cheaper... I mean more stable GBP, or US Dolar price
Then use someone like shattered crystal for gametime cards.
There's no way CCP is going to allow Eurozone players to pay in anything other than Euros - VAT (sales tax) is the reasoning behind that. Once you let Euro players pay in (for example) US dollars then you are going to have to increase the US dollar sub rate.
Frankly if the UK govt actually noticed CCP, they could compel CCP to pay all VAT in the UK. For those of you about to say "no they couldn't", well I'm afraid that currently you are wrong - the server, which generates pretty much ALL of CCPs revenue is in London. That makes their main business operation UK-based. They'd no doubt be able to offshore tax on profits but in terms of VAT they'd be screwed. You would have VAT on ALL subscriptions regardless of currency or country of residence.
Be careful what you wish for. |

Pirmasis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
9
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:39:00 -
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European guy is looking for place to live in UK, or outside of EU |

Carulis
Scarab Technological Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.04.14 15:02:00 -
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I'm not sure why the EURO players are complaining.
I'm from the UK and we used to pay in GBP, then it moved to EUR when it was -ú0.65 to 1 EUR.
It is now around -ú0.86 to 1 EUR so we have had a steady increase over the years and we did not complain.
If we had carried on paying in GBP it would have been static
The EURO players have had a static price which has not moved over the years, so why the hue and cry???
I do thank CCP for now giving us a fixed price which is not dependent on the GBP to EUR exchange rate. |

Stebe Erata
Black Dragons of the Apocalypse
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 15:42:00 -
[68] - Quote
TALLY-HO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jolly Good Ol'CCP!
Stebe |

Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
234
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Posted - 2012.04.15 02:02:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP, do I need to "sign up" or register for the meet up or is it just a turn-up-and-come-in type thing?
Thanks.
Wack If you're in a player corp then war-dec is just something you have to accept is coming with it, regardless of your play-style. ~CCP |

CivilAME
Hammer Holding Behold.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:19:00 -
[70] - Quote
I find it interesting that people from the UK would like to pay in funds of their home country. I being for a little place called the USA would like to pay in the funds of my home country and possibly NEVER pay a currency conversion again....
Thoughts CCP?
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Sylthi
Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
13
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:32:00 -
[71] - Quote
So CCP when can the rest of us expect to get the price break? Seriously. When? Solid dates only please.
(Oh, and no, to the players reading this, I KNOW dam_n well there is no price break coming from the greedy CCPers; I just wanted to point out that by being nice to the brits they are, in effect, screwing the rest of us.)
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Phali SVK
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:57:00 -
[72] - Quote
Iboku Kaeane wrote:so, i couldn't fail to notice the part where it will be cheaper to pay in GBP.
so... two questions: A: will the euro price be adjusted to compete? B: if not, being from denmark, how can i pay with GBP?
Well I don`t live in Denmark, but many many many people use euro.
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Zackgar
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
15
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:06:00 -
[73] - Quote
Carulis wrote: I'm from the UK and we used to pay in GBP, then it moved to EUR when it was -ú0.65 to 1 EUR.
It is now around -ú0.86 to 1 EUR so we have had a steady increase over the years and we did not complain.
I second this, back when I started playing, it was around this rate, so it was around -ú9.70 a month per account. Now its -ú12.80. Thats a -ú3 increase in price. Now I run 3 accounts which means I am around -ú10 worse off a month because of Euro.
To compare -ú10 could buy any of the following:
840 cups of tea 1.5kg of roast beef 3 1/2 pints of premium bitter 11kg of dog food for whippets Entry to Buckingham Palace 50 cucumber sandwiches 2 portions of fish and chips 1 Sun -ú9.50 holiday The bad bits of northern rock building society 1 tasteful metal model of Big Ben Private dental cover
So thankyou CCP for helping us to preserve our British lifestyle! |

Pirmasis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
11
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Posted - 2012.04.17 05:59:00 -
[74] - Quote
Zackgar wrote:Carulis wrote: I'm from the UK and we used to pay in GBP, then it moved to EUR when it was -ú0.65 to 1 EUR.
It is now around -ú0.86 to 1 EUR so we have had a steady increase over the years and we did not complain.
I second this, back when I started playing, it was around this rate, so it was around -ú9.70 a month per account. Now its -ú12.80. Thats a -ú3 increase in price. Now I run 3 accounts which means I am around -ú10 worse off a month because of Euro. To compare -ú10 could buy any of the following: 840 cups of tea 1.5kg of roast beef 3 1/2 pints of premium bitter 11kg of dog food for whippets Entry to Buckingham Palace 50 cucumber sandwiches 2 portions of fish and chips 1 Sun -ú9.50 holiday The bad bits of northern rock building society 1 tasteful metal model of Big Ben Private dental cover So thankyou CCP for helping us to preserve our British lifestyle! I pay in Euro, so I preserve... NOTHING
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Rashmika Clavain
Revelation Space
6
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Posted - 2012.04.17 09:04:00 -
[75] - Quote
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote: I pay in Euro, so I preserve... NOTHING
I don't mean to be harsh, but that is the irony of the Euro. Ditching your historic currency for a bit of political funny money. Gawd I am so glad we kept Pound Sterling. |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2126

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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:36:00 -
[76] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote:CCP, do I need to "sign up" or register for the meet up or is it just a turn-up-and-come-in type thing?
Thanks.
Wack
No registration needed. Just show up. That's what I'm doing! ;) CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Pirmasis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
11
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Posted - 2012.04.17 14:25:00 -
[77] - Quote
Rashmika Clavain wrote:Pirmasis Sparagas wrote: I pay in Euro, so I preserve... NOTHING
I don't mean to be harsh, but that is the irony of the Euro. Ditching your historic currency for a bit of political funny money. Gawd I am so glad we kept Pound Sterling. My country doesn't have Euro |

Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2012.04.17 14:33:00 -
[78] - Quote
Rashmika Clavain wrote:Pirmasis Sparagas wrote: I pay in Euro, so I preserve... NOTHING
I don't mean to be harsh, but that is the irony of the Euro. Ditching your historic currency for a bit of political funny money. Gawd I am so glad we kept Pound Sterling.
Heh sterling is even more screwed than the Euro, its just going to happen a little later.
If you have a dry sense of humour you'll appreciate the following :
1) The country that owes the most (in the EU) to Spain is the UK;
2) The country that owes the most (in the EU) to the UK is France;
3) The ONLY countries who broke the Euro stability rules (apart from Greece who have lied since day 1) were France and Germany in 2003 - they didn't just break the rules, they totally ignored them. One rule for Germany & France, another for everyone else.
4) German banks are "owed" 1 trillion Euros by other EU banks.
5) The only major player in the IMF who is interested in lending Eurozone countries money is Japan, the most indebted country on the planet.
Its a mad mad world :( |

Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2012.04.17 14:48:00 -
[79] - Quote
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote:[quote=Rashmika Clavain][quote=Pirmasis Sparagas] My country doesn't have Euro
You have 25% VAT though and therein lies the problem with letting you pay in Crowns? Or is it krone, or is that the same thing - i forget. |

Zeruma
Shadow Operations Inc. CORE Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:25:00 -
[80] - Quote
Othran wrote:Pirmasis Sparagas wrote: My country doesn't have Euro
You have 25% VAT though and therein lies the problem with letting you pay in Crowns - or is it krone, or is that the same thing? I forget with Scandinavian countries its mainly crowns/krone isn't it?
Can I pay in paper burger king crowns being as I'm from America? |

Pirmasis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
11
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:48:00 -
[81] - Quote
Othran wrote:Pirmasis Sparagas wrote: My country doesn't have Euro
You have 25% VAT though and therein lies the problem with letting you pay in Crowns - or is it krone, or is that the same thing? I forget with Scandinavian countries its mainly crowns/krone isn't it? And UK doesn't have 25% VAT? |

Fairhand
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:03:00 -
[82] - Quote
Nope - we are on 20% (up from former 17.5%).
To be honest I really don't mind what currency I pay in... as long as the credit card or bank don't hit me with a conversion charge. Making a small Euro purchase means I get clobbered with the"minimum" charge for the conversion which is quite significant compared to the value of the transaction whereas I suspect the card provider aggregates the day's conversions and pays a single business charge on the whole lot.
I did manage to catch a temporary dip in the Euro a while back when it slipped briefly against Sterling and bought six months of sub for about 10% less than I was used to paying, but a Sterling option will be nice because of the lack of transaction charges. |

Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2012.04.18 08:51:00 -
[83] - Quote
Pirmasis Sparagas wrote: And UK doesn't have 25% VAT?
No, nor do most other EU countries. Denmark and Sweden are 25%, Hungary is 27%, most of the rest are around 19-23%.
While CCP charge in Euros they can pay VAT in any Eurozone country - probably Luxembourg as its only 15%.
Were they to charge in Danish Kroner they'd have to pay 25% VAT.
What they are now betting (with UK players) is that sterling will be at least 5% "stronger" than the Euro - that would mean they still make more money even though UK VAT rate is 20%. |

Pirmasis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
11
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:24:00 -
[84] - Quote
Never mind, I give up... I just wanted to pay less, like everyone else, outside Europe. I still will play this game, no matter what price it will be. I love CCP and it's games. cheers! |

Mikal Morataya
31
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:54:00 -
[85] - Quote
While I applaud the fact I can now pay in -ú's rather than having to convert to something else.
-ú9.99 for a months subscription, yet -ú16.99 for a 30 day plex? Wut?
And CCP say its not in their interest to have inflated plex in game? Yeh right.
No wonder Plex is on a runaway train with pricing policies like this. |

Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:36:00 -
[86] - Quote
Mikal Morataya wrote:While I applaud the fact I can now pay in -ú's rather than having to convert to something else
-ú9.99 for a months subscription, yet -ú16.99 for a 30 day plex? Wut
And CCP say its not in their interest to have inflated plex in game? Yeh right
No wonder Plex is on a runaway train with pricing policies like this.
Changing the currency we sub in is about being able to do future revenue planning while minimising exposure to the ongoing trainwreck* that is the Euro.
It also helps retentions so its a win-win situation for CCP. As previously mentioned it probably does cost them slightly more in VAT
I would think PLEX is impulse buying mainly, and as such you could probably argue that its likely to be mainly unaffected. If nothing else it will give CCP the opportunity to do more bundle deals while maintaining revenue
*I note that Buba (Bundesbank) is now Gé¼646bn down the toilet in loans which have largely gone to other Euro banks via the ECB LTRO stupidity. Spanish banks have gobbled up nearly Gé¼400bn in ECB loans in the last 6 weeks just to remain viable. Merkel may want to maintain the Euro but Buba look like they've had enough and are trying to precipitate a breakup of the Euro. When Jens Weidmann (head of Buba) comes out with comments like he did yesterday (tl;dr Spain and Italy are on their own - no more money from Buba to ECB) then you have to wonder whether Buba is going to trigger another court case in Germany to have the "loans" declared illegal under Basic Law. One way or another Germany won't see that money again.
The tl;dr of that little lot is the Euro looks a LOT more screwed than last week. End-game approaches and not even the Northern Eurozone countries are unscathed - Netherlands for example looks screwed on household and state debt in the middle of a collapsing property bubble. Their household debt makes UK household debt look like we're prudent 
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Sunviking
The Shining Knights
31
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:48:00 -
[87] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Wacktopia wrote:CCP, do I need to "sign up" or register for the meet up or is it just a turn-up-and-come-in type thing?
Thanks.
Wack No registration needed. Just show up. That's what I'm doing! ;)
It's a turn-up-at-the-pub thing. Probably not even a reservation made for a segregated area.
I may well be there  |

MissingNo1
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:01:00 -
[88] - Quote
lol
i just forked out -ú216 for a year on 2 accounts!!!
/me feels very stoopid |

Llewelyn Fawr
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:52:00 -
[89] - Quote
So great news about a cheaper sub rate but @ -ú16.99 for a plex in the UK, I'm still better off buying a GTC from evetimecode.com or similar in $US via paypal at current conversion rates equating to roughly -ú21 (with a discount code) per GTC or under -ú11 a PLEX..........
Am I missing something?
Should the -ú16.99 price be for 2 plexes
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28599&utm_source=newsletter75&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter75
Quote:Although the UK subscription prices will be lowered, PLEX prices will remain unchanged. However, youGÇÖll now be able to use your native currency to purchase them with no need for conversion. The price of character transfers will be -ú17 or 2 PLEX.
I'm confused!  |

Baldrik DeLeNoir
Beltane Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:41:00 -
[90] - Quote
I see that no-one was taken in by the "ooooo...... whilst travelling I noticed" BS, I've been playing since 2006 and it's taken this long to realise we like to pay in pounds?, not very quick are they at CCP. If they are paying more VAT on GBP transactions then they really have messed up, as of today they are losing 115isk per sub. I reckon they did this because the user base in the UK in falling, just a hunch. |

arria Auscent
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.16 08:07:00 -
[91] - Quote
the new uk price should be -ú9.99 im still being charged -ú12
why has the new price not been activated yet? |

ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
46
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:43:00 -
[92] - Quote
It may be that you have to cancel first. Depending on the payment plan 1/3/6 months, you still will have to pay the old price for that time. |

Kaena Stark
Assisted Homicide Ace of Spades.
6
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:48:00 -
[93] - Quote
I would imagine this will be something to be rolled out globally depending on the outcome of the UK price change. Also i would not be surprised that if this is indeed a move by ccp to make plex more difficult to earn ingame therefore making subs a more attractive option. If so i would imagine there will be a restructuring of the GTC sellers as a result.
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