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Freighter Jjoe
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Posted - 2008.12.31 05:51:00 -
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Basically about 18 days for Cald Cruiser V and maybe another 5 days for some additional electronics support skills (I already have > 1 mil in electronics).
So the question is will CCP nerf them in the next month?
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 06:03:00 -
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The Falcon is currently working as it was designed to and has no unintended flaws. While it may get nerfed in the future, CCP wouldn't announce and implement a fundamental change to a working ship within a month IMO. So you should be safe.
FOR NOW. 
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.12.31 07:06:00 -
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I highly doubt they'll nerf ECM to the point of being useless, so you should be safe.
Plus, you can use Caldari Cruiser V for other nice ships, like a Cerb or something else.
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Jukhta Mein
Domini Umbrus
R.U.R.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 08:09:00 -
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Freighter.
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Project Cyborg
Caldari
EPIC INC
Power Of 3
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Posted - 2008.12.31 08:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Jukhta Mein
Freighter.
/signed
^^ thats how its used right?
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.31 08:47:00 -
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Not only can you train for one before they get nerfed, but thanks to all the attention they're getting, it's very likely that they will get a major boost up to the level of the other force recons in the near future.
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.31 10:13:00 -
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I wouldn't.
Actually training Caldari cruiser V only leads to one good ship. The Cerberus is ok, but not a good ship (no drones, missiles are bad for PvP). So Falcon is imho the only real good PvP ship in the Caldari line. Dunno if 1 ship is worth the training time.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.31 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Xaven
(no drones, missiles are bad for PvP)
Correction: missiles on carebear ships that clueless newbies bring into PvP are bad for PvP. Missiles on proper PvP setups are excellent for PvP. Oh, and the Cerberus is the second-best HAC, just a little behind the Zealot.
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.31 10:32:00 -
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That might be your pov. The Cerb imho has too less mid slots to serve as a good pvp ship (hey, and I don't cry for a Cerb boost!). 5 slots for MWD, hardener, extender, SB + 1 slot for that you could choose between ECCM, TP, point or whatever. So for a special task ok, but as an overall roaming ship I just pick another vessel.
Missiles give a good damage, but with the flight time you got an unnecessary disadvantage compared to turrets.
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Horizon Taker
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.31 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Colonel Xaven
(no drones, missiles are bad for PvP)
Correction: missiles on carebear ships that clueless newbies bring into PvP are bad for PvP. Missiles on proper PvP setups are excellent for PvP. Oh, and the Cerberus is the second-best HAC, just a little behind the Zealot.
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Ralarina
Caldari
Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.12.31 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Xaven
I wouldn't.
Actually training Caldari cruiser V only leads to one good ship. The Cerberus is ok, but not a good ship (no drones, missiles are bad for PvP). So Falcon is imho the only real good PvP ship in the Caldari line. Dunno if 1 ship is worth the training time.
Oh, I don't know; the Basilisk has its uses, as does the Eagle from time to time. Caldari Cruiser 5 isn't a *wasted* skill to train, even if falcons get nerfed.
Hense why I'm training it up on 3 accounts =)
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Kowaii Rabbit
o1nk
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Posted - 2008.12.31 11:46:00 -
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Falcons will get nerfed. You can count on it. All it takes is persistent assault from the whine brigade on the forums who want to get owned by some other type of ship instead. And it will likely be a typical CCP sledghammer nerf intended to completely change the balance of play and wish you'd never spent your time and isk on it. The only question is 'when'.
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General Coochie
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 31/12/2008 12:01:45
Every other fotm has been nerfed why shouldn't falcon?
Someone said if they nerf it wont be by that much..
To be honest the only good nerf change I've seen CCP doing rather quick is the speed nerf (good work ccp)
All other nerfs where sledgehammer nerfs and if it would be the same for the falcon most probably. If it follow the pattern then it would barely be able to ECM a single frigate out of the fight. Take the dual nerf to gallente ewar ships as an example, scripts + worse dampeners = almost useless ewar. Yes dampeners needed a nerf but the gallente recons did not most ppl seemed to agree about this. But here we are almost a year later and the gallente recons still suck, not so horribly much as before since warp scram boost and speed nerf, but still...
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kowaii Rabbit
Falcons will get nerfed. You can count on it. All it takes is persistent assault from the whine brigade on the forums who want to get owned by some other type of ship instead. And it will likely be a typical CCP sledghammer nerf intended to completely change the balance of play and wish you'd never spent your time and isk on it. The only question is 'when'.
Getting owned by any other ship is fine. You know why? Because you can atleast fight back while going down. That is the core objection people are making against falcons/ecm. Welcome to eve.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
but thanks to all the attention they're getting
Yeah, more and more characters we've never heard from before are complaining about them... 
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:33:00 -
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ECM won't be nerfed. Maybe the falcon with its range. But that won't stop the endless whining about the myth of being perma-jammed.
And yeah, Caldari cruiser 5 opens the way to basilisk, a very good Logistics besides the Guardian because of the energy transfer bonus. Oneiros and Scimitar don't have that. Omg, did I really mentioned that? Will the Basilisk nerfed now?
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Xaven
ECM won't be nerfed. Maybe the falcon with its range. But that won't stop the endless whining about the myth of being perma-jammed.
You come in anything smaller then a BS or a recon and I'll show you what perma jam means.
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Murina
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 31/12/2008 14:36:36
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Getting owned by any other ship is fine. You know why? Because you can atleast fight back while going down. That is the core objection people are making against falcons/ecm. Welcome to eve.
drones, fof....
Of course with jammers gone the race with the best range dmg/ratios will be getting another side ways boost to their favored style of pvp.......who was that race again?.....
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
drones, fof....
Do fof and drones reach 240km?
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Murina
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Murina
drones, fof....
Do fof and drones reach 240km?
Falcons can do dmg at 240km?.....
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Freak Bus
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:51:00 -
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Well I have to say that I'm waiting for them to be nerfed. I'm fed up seeing whole fleets made up entirely of these overly dominant raping monsters.
Get Caldari 5 asap, jump into a falcon and laugh in local continually as you slaughter all the unknowing idiots.
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Opertone
Caldari
SIEGE.
The Border Patrol
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:52:00 -
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lol, no don't nerf falcons
instead, boost ECCM, the mechanics is very odd... with good ECCM you do get jammed, which is not a solution
if you fit ECCM and waste a slot for it, then ECCM must work... and currently even with 80 sensor strength falcon still jams you.
BOOST eccm
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:56:00 -
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Ok, Lyria, question: You enter a system with a well prepared gang. Falcons on, like you say, 240km. Falcons nerfed, fine, no more Falcons on 240km but on 150km and Rokhs / Scorpions at 200+ km. Will we see another complaint about these here? I'm just curious.
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2008.12.31 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 31/12/2008 15:53:26
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Colonel Xaven
ECM won't be nerfed. Maybe the falcon with its range. But that won't stop the endless whining about the myth of being perma-jammed.
You come in anything smaller then a BS or a recon and I'll show you what perma jam means.
Just a FYI -
Logistics, CovOps, Ewar Frigates have a much greater sensor strength than a BS, with Recons having near twice (which are the most immune ships to ECM). BCs, CSs, BOps, are all 1 point of BSs in sensor strength in the Amarran lineup - HACS and HICS being 2 points off.
So realistically, it doesn't matter what ship you fly, but whether you fit ECCM or not - of which, not a single one of your loss mails going back to 2007 has one fitted.
So permajammed n00bs are permajammed n00bs...
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Polinus
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Murina
drones, fof....
Do fof and drones reach 240km?
Falcons can do dmg at 240km?.....
Why would they need? Since they always are in an alt account and the main is in a ship that can deal the dps and tackle?
Why the heck falcon pilots always bring the no damage issue? Do you think rapiers pilots or arazu pilots bother much with their damage? EWar ships are for E-WAR!
I would gladly give up ALL damage from my rapier for it to be able to web at 150 km.
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2008.12.31 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Murina
drones, fof....
Do fof and drones reach 240km?
This range nerf and jamming cycle stops right away when cloaked or destroyed Falcon fixed.
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Seishomaru
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Posted - 2008.12.31 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 31/12/2008 16:01:48
Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 31/12/2008 15:53:26
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Colonel Xaven
ECM won't be nerfed. Maybe the falcon with its range. But that won't stop the endless whining about the myth of being perma-jammed.
You come in anything smaller then a BS or a recon and I'll show you what perma jam means.
Just a FYI -
Logistics, CovOps, Ewar Frigates have a much greater sensor strength than a BS, with Recons having near twice (which are the most immune ships to ECM). BCs, CSs, BOps, are all 1 point of BSs in sensor strength in the Amarran lineup - HACS and HICS being 2 points off.
So realistically, it doesn't matter what ship you fly, but whether you fit ECCM or not - of which, not a single one of your loss mails going back to 2007 has one fitted.
So permajammed n00bs are permajammed n00bs...
Just for your viewing pleasure, these are the strengths of several amarran ships chosen at random, one of each of their class of ship. HICs, HACs, BCs, BSs, and CSs make up the middle ground of the immunity to ECM.
Frigate 8
Inty 9
Destroyer 10
AF 12
Cruiser 13
HAC 15
HIC 15
CS 16
BC 16
BS 17
BOp 17
Logistic 19
Ewar Frigate 21
CovOp 22
Recon 28
Now add to the equation a falcon can have like 3 or sometimes 4 jammers on you. And that takes like 15 seconds to lock the falcon (means time for another cycle basically to try). And Myself have already posted other times math evidence a falcon with 4 jammers, 1 from each race. Can keep a geddon jammed for 97% on a timeframe of 5 minutes.
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Murina
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.31 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: Murina
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Murina
drones, fof....
Do fof and drones reach 240km?
Falcons can do dmg at 240km?.....
Why would they need?
So the other recons can kill me solo but the falcon needs a extra tackler+dmg dealer along with it to kill me...as long as i do not have drones or fof that can kill the tackler/dmg dealer.....
Any you still think falcons are overpowered when you need at least one more ship to make them effective?.
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Murina
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.31 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 31/12/2008 16:14:51
Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Frigate 8
Inty 9
Destroyer 10
AF 12
Cruiser 13
HAC 15
HIC 15
CS 16
BC 16
BS 17
BOp 17
Logistic 19
Ewar Frigate 21
CovOp 22
Recon 28
Originally by: Seishomaru
And that takes like 15 seconds to lock the falcon (means time for another cycle basically to try).
15 second lock time?????...WTF are you flying a carrier or a dread cos most of that list can lock considerably faster than 15 secs pal.
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Adaera
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Posted - 2008.12.31 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
The Falcon is currently working as it was designed to and has no unintended flaws. While it may get nerfed in the future, CCP wouldn't announce and implement a fundamental change to a working ship within a month IMO. So you should be safe.
FOR NOW.
Just like they announced the ghost training change well in advance.
Oh wait.
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