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kublai
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.12.31 13:32:00 -
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Welcome to the Own Zone
As the first link I posted would tip you off, this is the guy seeking multiple high sec mercs on the forum now.
I've had quite a few people try to hire mercs on me the last few days, so i've been keeping tabs on who hires who to kill who, this among other things meant I contacted this chap to see if this thread was meant for me.
As it turns out, it was not, when contacting the OP he wanted me to destroy Atomic Battle Penguins and another mercenary corp whom I wont name until i've spoken to their CEO (he wasn't available yesterday so I won't name them just yet).
Well this is just rubbish I think, I like Dave, and eXtas has a sweet bum, disrespect like this? no way!
I was going to de-mask the alt and prevent any harm coming to innocent sweet Dave and corp X.
Now to get his main, I needed leverage, isk is a good leverage I thought so I set about trying to convince this guy that I could crush abp like they were nothing along with the other corporation, it takes me about four hours of convincing (yes, you think I talk too much, but being able to spam bull**** for four hours continuasly is quite profitable I assure you).
In the end he wires me 3b isk with the promise of 2b on completion, after recieving the isk (this bit is important for those trying to learn technique here) I tell him that I need to know his main, as we work on the promise of more after the job, I tell him only I need know, not even my CEO's will hear about it.
Now this guy is really keen on keeping his identity secret, and frankly most people would be if they wanted to destroy two top mercenary corps, but I have 3 billion of his isk and at this point he can't do anything but agree.
Que the events in the above screenshot, alas he left the chat as soon as this happened so we didn't get any exciting drama...apart from this.
Did I scam him? hell yes I did, and i'll scam you too if you try to mess with people I like!
I valiantly threw myself infront of Dave using my body as a shield to block that evil 3 billion isk of blood money, because that's the type of nice guy I am.
As for the above scamming accusations....trust me, Dave is not cut out for scamming, murder yes, scamming, don't make me laugh.
Am I a scammer?
Hell no, I think we can all agree that I am a humble and legitimate miner scraping his way on the bare minimum required to sustain himself in this fine and noble game.
Now the morale of this story is, don't **** with mercenaries, someone will find out and they'll come own you.
ABP are as we speak at war with these gents, why that is you'll have to talk to Dave about.
Gentlemen, I hope you enjoy my tale, I had a ton of fun making it.
Love Kublai
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.31 13:38:00 -
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Requesting Sticky -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Shigsy
Independent Traders Ignition.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 13:45:00 -
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People trying to hire mercs against kublai?
What ******s, you have to undock to be shot by mercs
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: hellsknights on 31/12/2008 13:59:01 Edited by: hellsknights on 31/12/2008 13:58:27 Bravo on the scam.....
But i dont get how this is good publicity for any merc corp. I predict you lose many contracts on basis that you might say "corpname" are my friends and you cant mess with them, now gimme 3 bil!!!
BTW when i look in your eyes you give me the warmess feeling in the world.......IN MY PANTS!!!
Edit. grammar
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:05:00 -
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I'm confused. I thought mercenary corps were supposed to be objective . If you can't fulfill the contract then you simply decline it, you don't screw over the client. Am I understanding correct that the mercs turned against their client?
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye I'm confused. I thought mercenary corps were supposed to be objective . If you can't fulfill the contract then you simply decline it, you don't screw over the client. Am I understanding correct that the mercs turned against their client?
a Scam is a Scam, and if you were going to hire mercenaries against mercenaries, you should expect it, anytime, coming from anywhere. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Tarynn Dahhn
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:12:00 -
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Is the TL;DR version that the OP requested A-WAR to take a Contract on Atomic Battle Penguins, and because you are Allies in some way, you took his 3B ISK and negated the Contract?
If so, does A-WAR provide Mercenary Services, or was that, in fact, the OP's fatal mistake?
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 31/12/2008 14:15:12 Concorduck,
And how exactly would the client know when the merc corp they're hiring is up for a scam or actual merc work? Don't get me wrong, like you said, a scam is a scam. But it will hurt your corp in the long run when you claim to be a merc corp and actually scam your clients out of isk.
And it shouldn't matter who your hiring mercs against. I'm sure there are merc corps out there that would take contracts against other merc corps. So to say "you don't hire mercs against mercs" is silly.
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Tarynn Dahhn
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Concorduck if you were going to hire mercenaries against mercenaries, you should expect it, anytime, coming from anywhere.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
I've had Mercs called on Suddenly Ninjas a bunch of times, and have become friends/Allies with a few, and when they've been requested for further 'work' against us, they've declined. (Sure, we're not Mercs, but they also didn't pull a scam on the potential Clients, either.)
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:15:00 -
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(I'm sure everybody can figure out who the above 'Taryn Dahhn' posters were, without me saying "crap, I fubar'd my posts".)
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My'kel An'jelo
Amarr Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:19:00 -
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lol
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 31/12/2008 14:20:14
Originally by: kublai Did I scam him? hell yes I did, and i'll scam you too if you try to mess with people I like!
Playing Devils Advocate for the moment how was this guy to know that you had a known-only-to-yourself pact with another random corp/person that meant if someone offered you ISK to do something against them that you would automatically renege on the deal?
Don't have any axe to grind on this because I have no interest in this line of business, however when you said "don't f*** with mercenaries" I naturally assumed he had tried to scam you somehow, or con you out of due payment, or something when in reality you took his ISK and because the contracted target was someone you happened to like for reasons known only to yourself you just decided to take the ISK and name & shame?
I don't understand the train of thought really - is it against a code of conduct for one to hire mercs to fight other mercs? I would've presumed that a professional outfit would inform a potential client in advance if their target represented a conflict of interests, but as said I have zero involvement with merc politics, creed or whatever so am quite willing to be told I'm wrong, lrn2merc or whatever.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye And it shouldn't matter who your hiring mercs against. I'm sure there are merc corps out there that would take contracts against other merc corps.
Can i has my 3b in advance plz kthxbai -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:28:00 -
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um, you do realize respectable merc corps ask for an advance, dontcha?
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Concorduck
Originally by: Matrix Skye I'm confused. I thought mercenary corps were supposed to be objective . If you can't fulfill the contract then you simply decline it, you don't screw over the client. Am I understanding correct that the mercs turned against their client?
a Scam is a Scam, and if you were going to hire mercenaries against mercenaries, you should expect it, anytime, coming from anywhere.
You boviously have no clue of the politics of this game.....mercs have 2 things going for them: 1 their word (IE not scamming their client) and 2 their skills as mercs.
So you scam your client, and lose many potential clients and yes people hire mercs to fight other mercs. Mercs dont care who they fight as long as their getting paid!
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: hellsknights So you scam your client, and lose many potential clients and yes people hire mercs to fight other mercs. Mercs dont care who they fight as long as their getting paid!
And that's why we have this thread.
oh, wait... -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Fintroll
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:30:00 -
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To clarify, the mistake he made was trying to pay Kublai ISK to attack Kublai's friends.
How would he have known that they are friends with Kublai? The question is, who isn't friends with Kublai?
Art of War is Recruiting |
Goyda
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: hellsknights
Originally by: Concorduck
Originally by: Matrix Skye I'm confused. I thought mercenary corps were supposed to be objective . If you can't fulfill the contract then you simply decline it, you don't screw over the client. Am I understanding correct that the mercs turned against their client?
a Scam is a Scam, and if you were going to hire mercenaries against mercenaries, you should expect it, anytime, coming from anywhere.
You boviously have no clue of the politics of this game.....mercs have 2 things going for them: 1 their word (IE not scamming their client) and 2 their skills as mercs.
So you scam your client, and lose many potential clients and yes people hire mercs to fight other mercs. Mercs dont care who they fight as long as their getting paid!
This I have to agree with. I would think someone touting themselves as a merc corp would sell out to the highest bidder. And if it was a conflict of interest it would become a non-contract. I also think this would be bad for business, as this is a business contract and not a personal interest.
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Goyda
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Fintroll To clarify, the mistake he made was trying to pay Kublai ISK to attack Kublai's friends.
How would he have known that they are friends with Kublai? The question is, who isn't friends with Kublai?
A better question is "Who does Kublai consider a friend ?"
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Fintroll To clarify, the mistake he made was trying to pay Kublai ISK to attack Kublai's friends.
How would he have known that they are friends with Kublai? The question is, who isn't friends with Kublai?
Was this a contract or a person paying another said person to kill said person......Anyhow this thread and points stating this is a scam cant be good advertising.
Would mercs turn on other merc friends???????Ill answer, IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT!!
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Fintroll To clarify, the mistake he made was trying to pay Kublai ISK to attack Kublai's friends.
How would he have known that they are friends with Kublai? The question is, who isn't friends with Kublai?
The mistake he made was actually believing you guys were mercs. Kudos on the scam though.
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Captator
Universal Securities Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:40:00 -
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Loving the pink UI Kublai , It would seem that the mistake made was not really hiring Art of War for mercenary services, but more trying to hire them against their friends, Art of War not being a wholly mercenary work orientated corporation, and not having any qualms about turning a potential contract into a scam . Nicely done.
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 31/12/2008 14:38:39
Originally by: Fintroll To clarify, the mistake he made was trying to pay Kublai ISK to attack Kublai's friends.
How would he have known that they are friends with Kublai? The question is, who isn't friends with Kublai?
The mistake he made was actually believing you guys were mercs. Kudos on the scam though. Although it wasn't very bright for you to come to the forums bragging on how you scammed your "client" by pretending to be mercs.
If Art Of War are not mercs then ....WTFC, nice scam but if they consider themselves mercs.....well then, let the posting continue.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.12.31 15:06:00 -
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Bah the OWN-ZONE pic isn't working for me.
So in a nutshell - was A-War pretending to be a Merc corp to scam this guy of his isk?
If so - wow, do your homework carebears!
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.31 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Goyda A better question is "Who does Kublai consider a friend ?"
The most important question I see is, "Who does Kublai NOT consider a friend?" Whoever is on that list should seriously consider Mission Running or Mining.
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.31 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Kirra Liu on 31/12/2008 15:11:52 Thread delivers. Anyone who gives Kublai / Art of War isk upfront is juts asking for trouble, known scammer, very publicised etc, it's no different from the fools that pay 200 mill to join Goonswarm and then bitch that they got scammed, it's on the forums and a little bit of research would have told them everything they needed to know.
A scam done by a well known scammer is bloody awsome tbh, if people can't do their research then they really don't deserve to keep their isk.
EDIT: Forgot to say, can't see this hurting the rep of legitimate merc's as the people who know what they are doing will use well known merc's and those that don't know what theyre doing will just be lambs to the slaughter, but people will always be hiring merc's.
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Imperious Rapt
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Posted - 2008.12.31 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Imperious Rapt on 31/12/2008 15:11:34 It's probably far more appropriate to simply state that what you SHOULD have done if you did indeed not wish to fulfill his contract was to deny it. Seems pretty straight forward to me, and if you really wanted to be a **** about it you could have told ABP what was up without revealing the name.
By taking his ISK and publicly revealing his identity under the supposed mistake of targeting your friends whom he would have had to charter Miss Cleo to know in the first place, you've only shown that you cannot be trusted to do what you've spent a lot of time building up both a reputation and empire around.
Some may say well played, but they're ignorant of the true ramifications for some of your future endeavors. I sincerely hope that 3 billion ISK was worth the future loss of business this may net you. Justify it however you want, I simply have a feeling this one may come back to bite you in the ass, repeatedly.
Of course, all of the above is absolutely invalid if you aren't a Merc corp in the first place, but my nose has been so deep in the marketplace for the past year I really can't say. ;)
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.31 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous Bah the OWN-ZONE pic isn't working for me.
So in a nutshell - was A-War pretending to be a Merc corp to scam this guy of his isk?
If so - wow, do your homework carebears!
Wait...AoW is NOT a merc corp?
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.31 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous Bah the OWN-ZONE pic isn't working for me.
So in a nutshell - was A-War pretending to be a Merc corp to scam this guy of his isk?
If so - wow, do your homework carebears!
I think they actually believe they're a merc corp If I'm wrong, then what I say is blasphemy and I'm sowwy
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kublai
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.12.31 15:20:00 -
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A-War is NOT a merc corp, we have done some merc work, and we might do again but it's only for fun and we would only consider it if paid very well, but no, we're not a mercenary corp.
As for getting jobs in the future if we want them, I turn down multiple merc gigs every week, if this means less spam then great.
I myself do merc work occationally (as an individual) but as I am mostly hired to...well do stuff like described above, this is really just going to increase my market value and little else.
But about the scamming etc, it's not WHAT you do in eve, it's who you do it to.
Now A-War never intended to take this contract, I convoed this guy initially to try to find out if he wanted to hire mercs against me (believe it or there are a few guys who have been trying this lately), when he told me who the target was I immidately convoed Dave and began working on finding the guys identity, there was no way to get his identity without first having leverage and frankly i'm not opposed to parting a fool of 3b isk.
I never once during this had any intent what so ever to do any mercenary merc for this person no matter what, he was being played from the first second.
As for A-Wars reputation, that is forged on the killboards, not the forum, we don't care what you think about us.
New players who read this though take a lesson, you never know whos friends with who in eve, but you can be pretty sure that if you try to hire famous badasses to kill other famous badasses, odds are good said famous badasses will know each other.
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