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Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:43:00 -
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You sound mad highsec pubby...
You mean you can't harvest rediculous isk anymore, without any risk whatsoever?!?
I feel so bad for you.... Not... stop shitting up the WH forums and go cry elsewhere... |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1190
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:03:00 -
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Royal Jedi wrote:You sound mad highsec pubby...
You mean you can't harvest rediculous isk anymore, without any risk whatsoever?!?
I feel so bad for you.... Not... stop shitting up the WH forums and go cry elsewhere... This was originally posted in general discussion, I presume a dev quietly moved it in the hope it would kill the thread.
Unfortunately Darth keeps reviving the thread regardless, and has made another terrible thread with a similar theme in GD to replace it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
AdZc
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
6
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:09:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
Whine whine whine whine, by the looks of your posts on other forums u are extremely butthurt. |
Anikeran
14
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:18:00 -
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Why nerf wormholes? The risk-to-isk is perfect. And don't compare carebear welfare incursions in hi-sec with no danger to the perils of wormhole space :). |
Diego Sarmoti
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:56:00 -
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did this thread get moved? Talk about throwing a lamb in the lions den. |
WInter Borne
Cold Station 12 Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:09:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house So are you whining because you couldnt hack it in wspace or are you just this angry at everyone who makes more money than you? |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
11
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:28:00 -
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Im so glad incursions are **** now. With all of these high SP characters looking for a new home... they might come back to wormholes. And since they are too used to their safety in high sec, it means I will personally be getting tons of extra kills. TONS.
This scrub wants to nerf blue loot yet makes no mention of the thousands, yes thousands, of people killed in high value ships per WEEK in W-space. He obviously has no idea how terrible he is, and how dangerous we are. Thank you to the mod that moved this thread in here. You seriously gave us all something to laugh at eternally. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1197
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:37:00 -
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QT McWhiskers wrote:Im so glad incursions are **** now. With all of these high SP characters looking for a new home... they might come back to wormholes. And since they are too used to their safety in high sec, it means I will personally be getting tons of extra kills. TONS.
This scrub wants to nerf blue loot yet makes no mention of the thousands, yes thousands, of people killed in high value ships per WEEK in W-space. He obviously has no idea how terrible he is, and how dangerous we are. Thank you to the mod that moved this thread in here. You seriously gave us all something to laugh at eternally. The idea of moving a "nerf wormholes" thread to the wormhole section is quite simply a stroke of genius by whichever dev is responsible.
This thread is certainly going to get a warm reception in a sub-forum full of wormhole pilots.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Fudge Sinful
Hard Knocks Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:49:00 -
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ITT: Bitter hisec carebear is totes jelly about wormholers' mad jewgold.
Also.....
DarthNefarius wrote:& drone alloys getting nerfed
Not quite sure how a mineral faucet being changed into an isk faucet helps your argument any...
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Major Killz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:30:00 -
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I do believe it's time to NERF worm holes. I'd also like worm holes to show up on my overview without having to scan for them. |
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
75
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:33:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: Pretty much sounds like it. I'm surprised W-Space survived the beating it must have taken from the entrenched NULL SECcers whines. I guess the combined whines of NULL & WHolers was too much.
quote from another thread |
Windorian
Leeole's Legion
29
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:48:00 -
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Gotta love these snot-nosed Carebear threads.
Incursions in high sec used to pay what, 150 mil/isk an hour?
I live in a C3, and TOP payout i can expect is 160 mil isk/hour
Now add in the 1 hour it took to scan out the system and map all exits
Now add in the 1/2 an hour it takes to close all invading WH's (like you should, for security)
Now add in the 1/2 an hour it takes to salvage
Now i'm only making 80 mil isk/hour. Good isk, sure, but...
I'm doing all of this in 0.0 space, HUGE RISK I'm runnign sites that don't even need to be probed, HUGE RISK There is no local, so i don't even know if someone is watching me and waiting to gank me, HUGE RISK I have to take the goods out, just to be paid, which means i can lose a whole week's worth of loot in one instant , HUGE RISK
So yeah, i'm making great isk, but compared to incursions, i'm making a similar isk amount with atleast 5X more risk to my personal ships and assets.
Show me a incursion pilot who regularly makes 80 mil isk/hour, then ask him if he'd still do it if he had to go to null sec, had no local, and had to WAIT for the isk for a week. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
38
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:50:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:I do believe it's time to NERF worm holes. I'd also like worm holes to show up on my overview without having to scan for them.
Go on... Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
19
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:16:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:I do believe it's time to NERF worm holes. I'd also like worm holes to show up on my overview without having to scan for them.
HAHA! Good troll, bro! |
Mattalious
The Marmarati
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:07:00 -
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Wormhole Space should automatically show who's in system, and you should be able to stabilise wormholes for weeks on end, and they should allow titans to pass through ALL levels of wormholes. |
Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:30:00 -
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Mattalious wrote:Wormhole Space should automatically show who's in system, and you should be able to stabilise wormholes for weeks on end, and they should allow titans to pass through ALL levels of wormholes.
+1 |
Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
98
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Posted - 2012.06.09 00:04:00 -
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Wormholes and highsec incursions have the same level of risk, right? |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.09 00:44:00 -
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QT McWhiskers wrote:This scrub wants to nerf blue loot yet makes no mention of the thousands, yes thousands, of people killed in high value ships per WEEK in W-space.
See, the fact that everyone and their grandmother flies bling these days in w-space, actually speaks for nerfing w-space income, not against it. Speaks quite loudly for it, in fact.
When even the plebs bathe in gold, time for a change.
Hisec Incursions were of course worse. Worse for the economy, because they had so many people doing them, and worse for peoples sensibilities, because there was very little risk. |
Gonzo TheGreat
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.09 01:59:00 -
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Ah, this thread again ! |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.09 02:45:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote:This scrub wants to nerf blue loot yet makes no mention of the thousands, yes thousands, of people killed in high value ships per WEEK in W-space. See, the fact that everyone and their grandmother flies bling these days in w-space, actually speaks for nerfing w-space income, not against it. Speaks quite loudly for it, in fact. When even the plebs bathe in gold, time for a change. Hisec Incursions were of course worse. Worse for the economy, because they had so many people doing them, and worse for peoples sensibilities, because there was very little risk.
You can actually afford to fly expensive ships with expe sivs mods after a really good time in wspace. First months are actually to settle and pay for ypur investment. And don even mention those of us who needs to put plexs on both accouts due to the fact that I cannot give myself the luxury of paying both of them (something about a wife who insists on buying food, prepay health insurance and clthing for the kid..., nasty stuff, rally). So, it takes a while to do some real isk. |
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Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.09 05:15:00 -
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Cell phone went Jacko, Wacko, Dot on me again. |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.09 10:10:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Qui Shon wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote:This scrub wants to nerf blue loot yet makes no mention of the thousands, yes thousands, of people killed in high value ships per WEEK in W-space. See, the fact that everyone and their grandmother flies bling these days in w-space, actually speaks for nerfing w-space income, not against it. Speaks quite loudly for it, in fact. When even the plebs bathe in gold, time for a change. Hisec Incursions were of course worse. Worse for the economy, because they had so many people doing them, and worse for peoples sensibilities, because there was very little risk. You can actually afford to fly expensive ships with expe sivs mods after a really good time in wspace. First months are actually to settle and pay for ypur investment. And don even mention those of us who needs to put plexs on both accouts due to the fact that I cannot give myself the luxury of paying both of them (something about a wife who insists on buying food, prepay health insurance and clthing for the kid..., nasty stuff, rally). So, it takes a while to do some real isk.
You're right, I can, and I've been doing it since April 2009. Haven't paid real money for any of my accounts since 2009 either. Which is why I know quite well that W-space income needs a nerf, via lowering npc buy orders. |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:56:00 -
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No, it doesn`t. I been doing them since 2010 and I can tell you that they are fine as they are right now. They are hard to understand and they are risky to do. You have to be very good at them or do things RIGHT to not get blown up to bits in an enviroment were you can lose everything in a mistake. Yeah, high reward. And keep my pockets filled up while I do things right doesn`t seem unbalanced. But if you want a nerf or your blues, just send them to me! |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:18:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Yeah, high reward. And keep my pockets filled up while I do things right doesn`t seem unbalanced. But if you want a nerf or your blues, just send them to me!
It's a question of degree, naturally. Right now you can just look at the big blobfight kb reports and see that there's entirely too much isk floating around in W-space.
I want my blues nerfed, because I want your blues nerfed. Now seriously, would a 10% drop in npc buyorder price (in line with the rest of the PvE reward changes) really be so bad? I wouldn't care a bit, as far as my personal income is concerned.
But if it meant a 10% drop of bling in the blobs, that'd be grand.
Now mind you, I don't know what lower class sites pay out, my main issue is with higher class sites, aka C5-C6, and the cap spawns, which is just too easy isk. Which shows in the ships and fits everyone flies nowadays, in high class w-space.
OR, if you want this to be a stupid flame fest which some here seem to love, I could say that if you've been doing them since 2010 and struggle to pay for two measly accounts as well as bits and bobs and ships, you're obviously not doing them right.
But that would not be constructive. |
Godfrey Silvarna
Stargates and Smuggler Barons
17
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:12:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Yeah, high reward. And keep my pockets filled up while I do things right doesn`t seem unbalanced. But if you want a nerf or your blues, just send them to me! It's a question of degree, naturally. Right now you can just look at the big blobfight kb reports and see that there's entirely too much isk floating around in W-space. I want my blues nerfed, because I want your blues nerfed. Now seriously, would a 10% drop in npc buyorder price (in line with the rest of the PvE reward changes) really be so bad? I wouldn't care a bit, as far as my personal income is concerned. But if it meant a 10% drop of bling in the blobs, that'd be grand. Now mind you, I don't know what lower class sites pay out, my main issue is with higher class sites, aka C5-C6, and the cap spawns, which is just too easy isk. Which shows in the ships and fits everyone flies nowadays, in high class w-space. OR, if you want this to be a stupid flame fest which some here seem to love, I could say that if you've been doing them since 2010 and struggle to pay for two measly accounts as well as bits and bobs and ships, you're obviously not doing them right. But that would not be constructive. Tweaking the despawn mechanics of escalated sites might do the trick without having to touch prices. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
76
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:13:00 -
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everyone agree payouts is fine with the risk
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13601461
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13301497
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13512760
find me any other place this could happen then we talk about nerf
EDIT: I guess because CCRES never pvp and carebear whole day, just nerf CCRES income and we're good |
Diego Sarmoti
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
0
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:18:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:
It's a question of degree, naturally. Right now you can just look at the big blobfight kb reports and see that there's entirely too much isk floating around in W-space.
I want my blues nerfed, because I want your blues nerfed. Now seriously, would a 10% drop in npc buyorder price (in line with the rest of the PvE reward changes) really be so bad? I wouldn't care a bit, as far as my personal income is concerned.
How does kb reports support lowering isk payouts? That statement is mind-numbingly tenuous to your point and you could say the same about null and high sec (OMG look at that bling mission golem, guess it's time to nerf xyz). One could also point to the fact that people in wh's are going to be slightly more inclined to pvp more ( kb kills is due to more people that want pvp rather than an abundance of isk).
Cap escalations are risky, trust me. Not to mention all the dudes who SD rather than give the km. Plus all the caps lost trying to make their bearing "safe."
It's terribad that you guys are calling for less isk. I say add more pvp RISK if you think things need to be tweaked. Talking about an awful mindset. Think more pvp and less pve.
PS. CCRES I thought was well aware of the risk in wh's? |
Uinuva Karma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:57:00 -
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What the **** is this shitthread doing here?
This in an Incursion whine thread that belongs to the carebear forum or GD.
OP is nothing but a troll. Captain Kirk didn't stay in hisec.-á
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Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.09 18:22:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Yeah, high reward. And keep my pockets filled up while I do things right doesn`t seem unbalanced. But if you want a nerf or your blues, just send them to me! It's a question of degree, naturally. Right now you can just look at the big blobfight kb reports and see that there's entirely too much isk floating around in W-space. I want my blues nerfed, because I want your blues nerfed. Now seriously, would a 10% drop in npc buyorder price (in line with the rest of the PvE reward changes) really be so bad? I wouldn't care a bit, as far as my personal income is concerned. But if it meant a 10% drop of bling in the blobs, that'd be grand. Now mind you, I don't know what lower class sites pay out, my main issue is with higher class sites, aka C5-C6, and the cap spawns, which is just too easy isk. Which shows in the ships and fits everyone flies nowadays, in high class w-space. OR, if you want this to be a stupid flame fest which some here seem to love, I could say that if you've been doing them since 2010 and struggle to pay for two measly accounts as well as bits and bobs and ships, you're obviously not doing them right. But that would not be constructive.
You didn`t have to do this a stupid flame fest, but you did. Noticed. On the other hand, I was doing PRETTY well in a previous C3 until stupidly we were out of it losing everything in. Then there was this C2, but wasn`t as good as the C3 that I was used to, so I was not intensive doing things. We a new blood injection we moved again to a C3 and as we were getting used again to the sites and stuff, we are struggling but getting the job done. Doing it wrong?, more like not commiting to it. But **** happens. BTW, I thought you guys weren`t doing WH anymore since that thing with ARHAM and KnR
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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.09 20:11:00 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Tweaking the despawn mechanics of escalated sites might do the trick without having to touch prices.
True. Could also just adjust how much Guardians drop.
Apolyon I wrote:EDIT: I guess because CCRES never pvp and carebear whole day, just nerf CCRES income and we're good CCRES doesn't exist anymore, only me left now after my almost 2 year break, so your silly attempt and an insult can be put to me directly just as well, it won't be any more effective while trying to attack my old corp
Diego Sarmoti wrote:One could also point to the fact that people in wh's are going to be slightly more inclined to pvp more ( kb kills is due to more people that want pvp rather than an abundance of isk).
Nah, what you'll see is more bling, rather then more fights. Power creep, where reasonably priced stuff, the kind that forms the majority of fights in null and low, is not competitive without really lopsided numbers.
Diego Sarmoti wrote:Cap escalations are risky, trust me. Bwahaha. Now you're funny. I've been doing them, alone, since 2009. So why should I trust your bs?
And what does SDing people have to do with ?
Diego Sarmoti wrote:It's terribad that you guys are calling for less isk. I say add more pvp RISK if you think things need to be tweaked. Talking about an awful mindset. Think more pvp and less pve.
More risk would be great, but what w-space really needs is mechanic change to return it more towards what originally set it apart from low and null, i.e. small entities operating in small gangs. Break this cycle of ever bigger blobs and ever more bling. But it also needs more unpredictability, w-space population has matured into entities so organized that the existing mechanics are mere speedbumps, rather then roadblocks that need navigating around, for big blobs to operate. |
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