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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:30:00 -
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melanomma wrote:I'd like to see a chart of inflation over the past two years , I would bet that once Incursions started that shortly after inflation started to rise more ..
You would lose that bet : http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/EveMonthlyInflation2003-feb2012.png
Inflation was rising in the months before the Incursions and kept going even before the Incursions where figured out in feb-march finally. The farming agreement was not struck until May of 2011 & weirdly there was a deflationary period in June 2011 ( summer months in the northern hemisphere do that plus Incarna's flop )
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
306
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:45:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis
You truly are a daft one.
Since when does salvage, minerals, or other loot inject ISK into the economy?
Bounties and mission rewards inject ISK into the economy. Salvage, minerals, mods they are all not injecting Isk, they are the commodities which get a value placed on them by players.
It represents a value according to general consensus but is of no value in itself.
Incursions have bounties and other direct Isk rewards, the loot, LP and such however are not injecting Isk.
Injecting Isk would mean they wave a magic wand and generate Isk out of thin air.
So before trying to sound as someone who knows anything best to get your facts straight first.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:48:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Kind of shooting yourself in the foot their, especially as I saw you flying around high yesterday in a bhaalgorn, seems a bit hypocritical considering their is no risk... 
Eh maybe I should go to WH's & start flying a more expensive Cap ship instead in C6's with 2-4 more ships? Maybe someday... but today I enjoy flying with 20-40 man fleets ( which isn't done in C6's often or at all is it? ) and the occasional 40+ fleeet PvE.
I've lost a bhaal before & saw a Vindi go poof in an OTA last night ( poor guy the hulls are running 1.3 billion now )
I wish CCP CCP_Diagoras would show the final blows by NPC on pilots like he did here the other way around:
"9 Feb John Turbefield GÇÅ @CCP_Diagoras
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Most killed Incursion NPC ship on Feb 8th: 19,938 Tama Cerebellum. Most killed incursion BS? 2,640 Deltole Tegmentum. @Dsan_dk #tweetfleet
9 Feb John Turbefield GÇÅ @CCP_Diagoras "
like he tweeted this here:
"9 Feb John Turbefield GÇÅ @CCP_Diagoras
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Sleepers scored 54 final blows on carriers/dreads in Jan 2012. #tweetfleet"
I think the number of losses may be comparable to the number of pirate BS's lost in Incursions
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:51:00 -
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Ishaki wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: more stats concerning of the numbers of ribbons that were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month What does nanoribbons have to do with inflation? They are materials that are sold on the market and move money from your wallet to mine.. they do not add isk to the economy. .
Hmmm I guess in the REAL world oil has nothing to do with Inflation either?
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:04:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Just Alter wrote:
[quote=Just Alter](oh and btw between whs and incursions i'll always prefer incursions)
Really? I got bored of them pretty quickly  I find that at least doing exploration or wormholes I have a little variety between sites, and scanning breaks up the monotony of site grinding a little bit. Still, incursions are more fun than level fours, by christ. I had to run a few level fours to grind my trading alts standings up the other day. Closest I've ever come to biomassing my toons.
Incursions are more fun because for some ( not all of course ) because they are a group effort sort of like a 24 hour CTA now: you can throw together a pick up fleet ALOT easier then in a WH ( WH's ya sorta do need peeps you all know together in the same place at the same time (lo sec incursion fleets have to be secretive about it of course and know each other well) ) WH's do sound fun& there is alot of work to get the POS's set up... they are solo-able unlike Incursions ( there is 1-3 players that used to be able to solo 7-8 box a non OTA site think one of then was CHUNKER ( he can't anymore due to competition really) there now is another guy but he doesn't really solo them I'm told he needs someone else in his Tengu fleet to logi for him ) So yes for those that like to be (occasional?) solo hermits WH's are a route not afforded by Incursions.
I only did a few level 4's before I was swept into my fun in Incursions... if/when I tire of them after some more lo sec Incursion fun dunno if I'll check out NULL or WH games I keep tottering between the 2... but if CCP keeps nerfing everything PvE EXCEPT W-Space I'll move there & increase its ranks like Dr E says is happening from the 2011 to 2012 Q1 pie chart graph ( here's another stat: QEN 2010 had the WH population pegged at 2.8% BTW )
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:18:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:melanomma wrote:I'd like to see a chart of inflation over the past two years , I would bet that once Incursions started that shortly after inflation started to rise more .. You would lose that bet : http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/EveMonthlyInflation2003-feb2012.pngInflation was rising in the months before the Incursions and kept going even before the Incursions where figured out in feb-march finally. The farming agreement was not struck until May of 2011 & weirdly there was a deflationary period in June 2011 ( summer months in the northern hemisphere do that plus Incarna's flop )
he missed this point. inflation didn't start when incursion comes out, it started when ppl begin grinding incursion which is around Sept, Oct 2011.
tbh I did farm incursion for awhile before joining AQUILA because it's the easiest isk making in hisec. I was running logistics, went into site, throw rep on random dudes and watch movie, wait untill the FC squad warp us out |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:31:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Ishaki wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: more stats concerning of the numbers of ribbons that were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month What does nanoribbons have to do with inflation? They are materials that are sold on the market and move money from your wallet to mine.. they do not add isk to the economy. . Hmmm I guess in the REAL world oil has nothing to do with Inflation either?
Do you even know what inflation means? |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:32:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Just Alter wrote:
[quote=Just Alter](oh and btw between whs and incursions i'll always prefer incursions)
Really? I got bored of them pretty quickly I find that at least doing exploration or wormholes I have a little variety between sites, and scanning breaks up the monotony of site grinding a little bit. Still, incursions are more fun than level fours, by christ. I had to run a few level fours to grind my trading alts standings up the other day. Closest I've ever come to biomassing my toons. Incursions are more fun because for some ( not all of course ) because they are a group effort sort of like a 24 hour CTA now: you can throw together a pick up fleet ALOT easier then in a WH ( WH's ya sorta do need peeps you all know together in the same place at the same time (lo sec incursion fleets have to be secretive about it of course and know each other well) ) WH's do sound fun& there is alot of work to get the POS's set up... they are solo-able unlike Incursions ( there is 1-3 players that used to be able to solo 7-8 box a non OTA site think one of then was CHUNKER ( he can't anymore due to competition really) there now is another guy but he doesn't really solo them I'm told he needs someone else in his Tengu fleet to logi for him ) So yes for those that like to be (occasional?) solo hermits WH's are a route not afforded by Incursions. I only did a few level 4's before I was swept into my fun in Incursions... if/when I tire of them after some more lo sec Incursion fun dunno if I'll check out NULL or WH games I keep tottering between the 2... but if CCP keeps nerfing everything PvE EXCEPT W-Space I'll move there & increase its ranks like Dr E says is happening from the 2011 to 2012 Q1 pie chart graph ( here's another stat: QEN 2010 had the WH population pegged at 2.8% BTW ) But backto my original point: IF CCP IS 10% ISK NERFING BOUNTIES/DRONES/INCURSIONS faucets due to the market INFERNO sleeper components ( I refer to as blue loot ) should be also because if they have injected 1/3+ of the ISK into the Eve sandbox since thier inception
you really have no idea how wh corps operate
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Gonzo TheGreat
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:51:00 -
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Ah, congratulations, seems like you found out we are not a 0.0 corp at last ! It's a miracle ! |
Jalabaster
Mechanical Eagles Inc.
The Ancients.
2
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Posted - 2012.04.22 23:29:00 -
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If anyone thinks that wormhole revenue is too high, I would invite you to give wormhole life a try. You will find that the classic 'risk versus reward' system is firmly in play, and working pretty much as intended. Yes, you can make more money. No, it isn't as easy, and you will need to buy backup ships, because you're going to lose some.
Wormholes are basically the endgame for a great many small groups. These small groups move in, they invest. They take the deliberate risk that all the belongings they have in the hole could be destroyed. Most of them are not risking just a ship or two. They are risking a fully functional POS full of ships, gear, production and research lines, and what all else they would see fit to risk. Some of them invest nearly all of their assets into their wormhole endeavors. Not only are performing more risky endeavors, but they are putting far, far more on the line than an incursion runner.
Beyond that, everything you do relies on scanning down cosmic signatures. Logistics is not always easy, and you have constant supplies that need to be run in. Even the most self- sufficient of WH groups need ice for fuel blocks, faction ammo, and constantly topping off inventories of modds and ends. And then there's the issue of tritanium. If you think groups are doing any kind of large scale production by mining their own trit, you're dead wrong.
Recent POCO changes are in my opinion well balanced, wormhole groups are forced to either invest in POCO's (which of course can be destroyed), or face the interbus wallet neutralizer.
All that said, I think you over-estimate the site value of any one particular hole. Realize that once a wormhole is inhabited and farmed, it is quite frequently cleared, with nothing more to do. Venturing beyond one's borders can provide more isk, but at a cost of a significant amount of time spent exploring and scanning in unfamiliar systems. It would be fair to say that someone who raids wormhole space spends more time actively scanning than an incursion runner spends on autopilot when flying to his incursion. Even an experienced scout who scans very quickly will have to canvas out a large area in order to find the richest of WH systems his small group can raid. A wormhole inhabitant can expect to spend the vast majority of his time doing maintenance, logistics, and exploratory activities. I would venture to say that about 10% of your time is actually spent making money. The other 90% or so is spent doing necessary tasks, most of which cost isk in some way.
Do the blue bits contribute significantly to inflation? Yes.
Should the blue bits be tinkered with? Yes
Should WH inhabitants make more money than incursion runners? Yes
Jalabaster
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
348
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Posted - 2012.04.22 23:46:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS
Because WH's and their rewards are balanced, unlike hi-sec incursions.
Reading your posts is like watching a two year old throw a tantrum.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online:
No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
654
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Posted - 2012.04.22 23:57:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS Because WH's and their rewards are balanced, unlike hi-sec incursions. Reading your posts is like watching a two year old throw a tantrum.
Hey, most two year olds are considerably more literate. No need to go dragging their names through the mud just thanks to darth's bad poasting.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:41:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions are more fun because for some ( not all of course ) because they are a group effort sort of like a 24 hour CTA now: you can throw together a pick up fleet ALOT easier then in a WH ( WH's ya sorta do need peeps you all know together in the same place at the same time
Wat?
So incursions are more fun because you dont need to know the people you're playing with?
So they're more fun because they're easier.
So they're more fun because they pay more isk/effort*risk.
And still you bash whs.
Stop poasting pls. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
161
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:45:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS Because WH's and their rewards are balanced, unlike hi-sec incursions. Reading your posts is like watching a two year old throw a tantrum.
All ISK faucets in Eve are outta balance according to CCP Soundwave in his TenTonHammer interview & sleeper blue loot NPC buy orders are second biggest ISK faucet in Eve (~10 trillion a month )
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
655
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:48:00 -
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13 pages of people disagreeing with him and he's still going, got to be some kind of record.
Anyone want to take bets on how many pages this reaches before it gets locked?
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:02:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:DarthNefarius wrote: my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS Because WH's and their rewards are balanced, unlike hi-sec incursions. Reading your posts is like watching a two year old throw a tantrum. All ISK faucets in Eve are outta balance according to CCP Soundwave in his TenTonHammer interview & sleeper blue loot NPC buy orders are second biggest ISK faucet in Eve (~10 trillion a month )
But, as many tried to tell you before, those blue loot isk have a different value than the same amount of money made in an high sex incursion.
You have to detract from those 10trilion the logistics cost of wormholes, and the huge risk involved in living in a place with no local and no concord.
And then there's this point(i'll try to explain for the last time then **** it) : the risk of wormholes is SO much higher than incursion that it SHOULD pay more.
You want to reduce inflation? nerf incursions and high sec lvl 4 more, leave everything else the same. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
161
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:09:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:[
But, as many tried to tell you before, those blue loot isk have a different value than the same amount of money made in an high sex incursion.
??? ISK is ISK
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
656
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:21:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Just Alter wrote:[
But, as many tried to tell you before, those blue loot isk have a different value than the same amount of money made in an high sex incursion.
??? ISK is ISK I wonder what amounts of ISK is brought in the lo&NULL sex Incursions too I haven't seen that stat yet either
People should really stop feeding the troll.
If you can't explain something to someone within 13 pages, then you cannot explain something to somebody.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:24:00 -
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Absolutely confirmed as a troll.
He didnt even dare to quote the second part of my post.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
656
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:29:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:Absolutely confirmed as a troll.
He didnt even dare to quote the second part of my post.
I think he is genuine, but he is an incursion runner and he sees the game from only that perspective. He also lacks the subtlety or eloquence to attempt to defend incursions, or attack other aspects of the game, effectively. Resulting in repetitive troll-like bad poasting.
Although I will admit, he is admirably persistant.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
161
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:31:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:
You want to reduce inflation? nerf incursions and high sec lvl 4 more, leave everything else the same.
Incursions will be NERFed on the 24th we'll see how much Inflation is decreased the next month
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
656
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:31:00 -
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Look on the bright side though, we now have a 13 page thread that will serve as a monument to popular opinion on the idea of nerfing whs. Thereby ensuring whs won't be nerfed for a very, very long time.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
656
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:32:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Just Alter wrote:
You want to reduce inflation? nerf incursions and high sec lvl 4 more, leave everything else the same.
Incursions will be NERFed on the 24th we'll see how much Inflation is decreased the next month
Inflation doesn't work like that you imbecile.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
161
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:40:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Just Alter wrote:
You want to reduce inflation? nerf incursions and high sec lvl 4 more, leave everything else the same.
Incursions will be NERFed on the 24th we'll see how much Inflation is decreased the next month Inflation doesn't work like that you imbecile.
THNX My point exactly Inflation won't be curbed 1 bit by NERFing Incursions alone other ISK faucets such as WH's blue loot & bounties will at least need a 10% cut & new ISK sinks need to be added too
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
657
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:49:00 -
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<----- Currently accepting ISK donations to help buy Darth Nefarious a market crash course from the MD sub forum.
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
429
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Posted - 2012.04.23 01:58:00 -
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where's that PLANET_FACEPALM.JPG when you needed it, and when does CCP brings back images ffs.
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
164
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Posted - 2012.04.25 07:27:00 -
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IMHO CPP should really cause an Inferno in WH space by Introducing wormhole stabilizers or increasing mass limits to really Escalate EVERYTHING in Eve
LETS BURN EVERYTHING  
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:05:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:13 pages of people disagreeing with him and he's still going, got to be some kind of record.
Anyone want to take bets on how many pages this reaches before it gets locked?
Bet it won't any time soon... why do you want it locked anyways? Honestly seems to me WH's have become stagnant what was the last real change to WH's
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Anunzi
Eve Engineering Logistics
Eve Engineering
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:44:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:13 pages of people disagreeing with him and he's still going, got to be some kind of record.
Anyone want to take bets on how many pages this reaches before it gets locked?
Soon with any luck. The op will never understand anyones view point other than his own it seems.
Either that or he's just an unusually articulate troll....
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Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:28:00 -
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What part about "risk free" highsec isk making ventures are you confusing with local free, stuck on grid for 20 mins to an hour, when pvp can happen at any moment?
And how about the fact that there are a limited number of sites, not infinitely respawning sites every day?
The problem was that vanguards payed out too much for the minuscule amount of risk associated with them compared to other risk-free highsec methods of making isk (lvl 4s, for the most part).
Risk vs reward, nuff said. |
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