death to incursions

And once again I reiterate:

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http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html

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Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are) . If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space.

I'd really be interested in seeing the ISK equivent of Moon goo & nano ribbons that are produced each month to see how much wealth faucets create for NULL & W-Space

whining...

I'd really be interested in seeing the ISK equivent of Moon goo & nano ribbons that are produced each month to see how much wealth faucets create for NULL & W-Space

lol oh lord

I know... my lord the ISK equivalent of these materials produced monthly must be STAGGERING! Pretty much every T2 module needs techtanium ( which is HUGE ) and every T3 ship needs nano ribbons ( pretty large )

I'm still asking CCP: In the sanbox o Eve: What is Escalating in J-space (according to the features webpage & DEV blogs absolutely nuthin' ) & how are the peeps in Wormholes going to be swept up into the Inferno a month later? Only thing I hear WH'ers participating in Inferno is thowing gas onto the inflation fire with blue loot while bounties elsewhere get a 10% nerf.

Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are).

If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space.

This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them.

People scan down sites in high sec, jump in and run c1/c2 wormholes in their drakes or overpriced tengus. Similarly, people scan down C3s in low sec and do the same, a lot of major null sec alliances scan down c5/c6 whs and have entire capital ops where they jump in and clear capital escalation sites. In fact recently I think -A- took over a few WH systems for this very purpose.

None of these people live in wormholes, they live in high sec, low sec and null sec, yet they likely contribute just as much to the total amount of blue loot farmed as any WH dweller. And this is why your stats are completely useless, because the number of people living in wormholes, which is hard to calculate accurately anyway, is not even remotely related to the number of people raiding wormholes for PvE content.


If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right?

How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?

400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600

So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?

Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.

Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house

Tea. Earl Gray. Hot.

Well played. You may now proceed with the Picard maneuver

[quote=Bane Nucleus][quote=Simi Kusoni]Tea. Earl Gray. Hot.[/quote Well played. You may now proceed with the Picard maneuver[/quote Fairly certain I just performed the Picard Maneuver on Darth's terrible statistics No known defense mother ******.

lol I took 1 day off o Forums & Simi tries her hand in math & statistics [:roll: Bravo your 1 attempt at math was waaaaaaaaaay off. I'll let you stare at the numbers & come up with why ( hint stare at QEN's 2010 :)
I did a little stat mining from some tweet & found some interesting numbers on wormhole jumps you should check it out...
https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagora
but more to my point about the ISK faucet of WH's here's a few CCP stats from CCP_Diagoras
"Sell-to-NPCs items from wormholes generated 346bn ISK yesterday. 10.43tn ISK in Feb 2012 total. 5:01 AM - 8 Mar 12 via web"

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"Sunday 19th Feb; 886bn spent on minerals, 619bn on battleships, 374bn sleeper components, 359bn composite materials, 339bn ice products. and a comparison versus Incursions faucet "Average payout for Incursion participants on the 1st of Feb was 169.5m ISK. 301.8bn payout total, 1,781 participants"

To be fair though I'll give you Feb 1st was a wednesday & both Feb 19th & March 11th were days on the weekend

I'm trying to extract actual sites being run from the NPC kills stats reported from CCP_Diagoras in his tweets but thats difficult... the numbers of Incursion runners is a easier stat from the way Incursion payout mechanism is set up If CCP_Diagoras threw out a stat of the numbers of ribbons were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month that stat would be golden

lol I took 1 day off o Forums & Simi tries her hand in math & statistics [:roll: Bravo your 1 attempt at math was waaaaaaaaaay off. I'll let you stare at the numbers & come up with why ( hint stare at QEN's 2010 :)
I did a little stat mining from some tweet & found some interesting numbers on wormhole jumps you should check it out...
https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagora
but more to my point about the ISK faucet of WH's here's a few CCP stats from CCP_Diagoras
"Sell-to-NPCs items from wormholes generated 346bn ISK yesterday. 10.43tn ISK in Feb 2012 total. 5:01 AM - 8 Mar 12 via web"

-+ Embed this Tweet
"Sunday 19th Feb; 886bn spent on minerals, 619bn on battleships, 374bn sleeper components, 359bn composite materials, 339bn ice products. and a comparison versus Incursions faucet "Average payout for Incursion participants on the 1st of Feb was 169.5m ISK. 301.8bn payout total, 1,781 participants"

To be fair though I'll give you Feb 1st was a wednesday & both Feb 19th & March 11th were days on the weekend

I'm trying to extract actual sites being run from the NPC kills stats reported from CCP_Diagoras in his tweets but thats difficult... the numbers of Incursion runners is a easier stat from the way Incursion payout mechanism is set up If CCP_Diagoras threw out a stat of the numbers of ribbons were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month that stat would be golden

lol I took 1 day off o Forums & Simi tries her hand in math & statistics [:roll: Bravo your 1 attempt at math was waaaaaaaaaay off. I'll let you stare at the numbers & come up with why ( hint stare at QEN's 2010 :)
I did a little stat mining from some tweet & found some interesting numbers on wormhole jumps you should check it out...
https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagora
but more to my point about the ISK faucet of WH's here's a few CCP stats from CCP_Diagoras
"Sell-to-NPCs items from wormholes generated 346bn ISK yesterday. 10.43tn ISK in Feb 2012 total. 5:01 AM - 8 Mar 12 via web"

-+ Embed this Tweet
"Sunday 19th Feb; 886bn spent on minerals, 619bn on battleships, 374bn sleeper components, 359bn composite materials, 339bn ice products. and a comparison versus Incursions faucet "Average payout for Incursion participants on the 1st of Feb was 169.5m ISK. 301.8bn payout total, 1,781 participants"

To be fair though I'll give you Feb 1st was a wednesday & both Feb 19th & March 11th were days on the weekend

I'm trying to extract actual sites being run from the NPC kills stats reported from CCP_Diagoras in his tweets but thats difficult... the numbers of Incursion runners is a easier stat from the way Incursion payout mechanism is set up If CCP_Diagoras threw out a stat of the numbers of ribbons were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month that stat would be golden

gj making it unreadable, what a way to argue

This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them..

I have it on good authority you are wrong there: there is alot of peeps living in WH's & doing non sleeper sites whom live in WH's the sleeper sites are the ISK fountain equivalent of Incursions are just as much an inflation multiplier as incursions ( yet still less then bounties ). I guess I should be more specific in differenting between blue loot & anonms & other sites that are non sleepers as part of my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS are need o fixing in Escalation & Inferno. Incursion payouts will get the 10% cut next month CCP Sound wave sayz bounties are next, but sleeper components ( aka blue loot which are NPC buy orders ) are the third leg which is the great ISK inflation fountain should be cut along with everything else before more sinks are introduced IMHO.

Wormholes are fine as they are.

If anything they should be more lucrative, especially c5 and c6.

The risk involved is immense and at the end of the day, incursions are still better.

more stats concerning of the numbers of ribbons that were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month

Personally I've always found it odd c1/c2 wormholes hold so little value, they are essentially just as dangerous as c3s, perhaps more so due to players that scan them down out of high sec and watch the API stats to see when someone is killing NPCs in there.

Either way though, whs in general are perfectly balanced, and probably one of the best parts of the game at the moment. They're certainly the most dangerous.

Yeah they're the most dangerous.

However when thinking about these kind of things you have to think like this: "how can something be exploited?".

If c1 and c2 were more lucrative people could simply chain farm them with a t3 and then collapse the hole and farm them again.

I'm advocating increasing c5-c6 simply because they're extremely hard and they should pay something absurd

(oh and btw between whs and incursions i'll always prefer incursions)