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Em00m3	Posted - 2009.01.06 05:07:00 - [1] So i trained for one then i hear they been nerfed into nothing. but i see some ppl in fw still fly them and use them. so is ccp going to make them good again?
Brego Tralowski Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.06 05:39:00 - [2] Stealth bombers are still effective even with the nerf. Fit them correctly, choose targets wisely and use the correct tactics and your laughing. They are a fun ship to fly and in a pack can be a nightmare for targets! ----------------------------------------------- Tralowski independent Traders (TiT) Building Capital components and Capital repair modules.
Harrent Caldari The Leathernecks	Posted - 2009.01.06 07:54:00 - [3] Edited by: Harrent on 06/01/2009 07:53:53 Originally by: Brego Tralowski Stealth bombers ... in a pack... Two of the smartest things said about stealth bombers since QR. SB have been "Balanced" just like every other ship. They are no longer OMGWTFPWN solo frigs. =----------= Semper Fi
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.01.06 07:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Harrent Edited by: Harrent on 06/01/2009 07:53:53 Originally by: Brego Tralowski Stealth bombers ... in a pack... Two of the smartest things said about stealth bombers since QR. Only if you think a ship is "balanced" if it needs 15 to 1 odds to kill anything... Here's a hint: anything that can be done by X stealth bombers, can be done infinitely better by X ships that don't suck. -----------
Neyro7830 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.06 07:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Harrent Edited by: Harrent on 06/01/2009 07:53:53 Originally by: Brego Tralowski Stealth bombers ... in a pack... Two of the smartest things said about stealth bombers since QR. SB have been "Balanced" just like every other ship. They are no longer OMGWTFPWN solo frigs. Agreed, but I don't think they were ever OMGWTFPWN solo frigs... But... from the youtube videos I've seen, OHOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHO :D Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer
Neyro7830 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.06 08:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Harrent Edited by: Harrent on 06/01/2009 07:53:53 Originally by: Brego Tralowski Stealth bombers ... in a pack... Two of the smartest things said about stealth bombers since QR. Only if you think a ship is "balanced" if it needs 15 to 1 odds to kill anything... Here's a hint: anything that can be done by X stealth bombers, can be done infinitely better by X ships that don't suck. Uh oh Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer
Imaos	Posted - 2009.01.06 15:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Harrent Edited by: Harrent on 06/01/2009 07:53:53 Originally by: Brego Tralowski Stealth bombers ... in a pack... Two of the smartest things said about stealth bombers since QR. Only if you think a ship is "balanced" if it needs 15 to 1 odds to kill anything... Here's a hint: anything that can be done by X stealth bombers, can be done infinitely better by X ships that don't suck. Um no. Here some hints: It is a frigate (t2, but still a frigate). It is 15 to X (15 is a little high, it just needs to be a number to insta the single biggest ship in the target group). Why it can't be done with other infinitly better ships? There aren't infinitly better ships. Especially your favourite cloak raven can't do it. While you can warp in (with a covops warp-in), lock, fire and warp out with a SB (unless there is a bubble up or other disruptor field) other ships either don't lock fast enough, don't have enough alpha or aren't fast enough back in warp to work with guerilla tactics and are much easier hold in place so you wont ever come back with near the same strength in the second or further passes. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
Recon Three 181st Legion Malcula Templum	Posted - 2009.01.06 18:33:00 - [8] I still fly my Manti pretty often and I'm still having fun with it. Even if I don't oneshot ships anymore, it's still fun to f**k around with people. Especially when they're alone.
retro mike	Posted - 2009.01.07 12:02:00 - [9] I used to enjoy flying the stealth bomber as it was always a bit of a niche role and needed a fair level of skills, tactics and patience to be effective. However, the recent changes to missiles have crippled the stealth bomber to a level that can only be really be appreciated by SB pilots. I hope that ccp will see sense and perhaps give it an explosion velocity bonus.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 14:48:00 - [10] I will still happily take on just about anything. T1 cruisers are rather easy pray and falcons are oh so tasty to chew on.
Car Wars T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:00:00 - [11] stealth bombers description: go train and fly something else that is useful for your gang
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:02:00 - [12] Anyone use warhead flares on their stealth bombers these days? --- Put in space whales!
Scarlet Pimpdaddy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.07 20:44:00 - [13] They are good for a little stealthy extra dps and making relative noobs feel useful in a gang.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.01.07 21:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Imaos Why it can't be done with other infinitly better ships? There aren't infinitly better ships. Especially your favourite cloak raven can't do it. While you can warp in (with a covops warp-in), lock, fire and warp out with a SB (unless there is a bubble up or other disruptor field) other ships either don't lock fast enough, don't have enough alpha or aren't fast enough back in warp to work with guerilla tactics and are much easier hold in place so you wont ever come back with near the same strength in the second or further passes. Hi. I'm a Cerberus (without a cloak). I do more dps from longer range with more tank, making a stealth bomber completely redundant. And that's just with missiles, if you're willing to use the gunboat snipers it gets even more one-sided. BTW: that whole idea of hit and run missile sniping without tacklers is just stupid anyway, as any pilot who's even halfway awake will just warp out before he dies. That's assuming you're planning on warping out immediately, instead of waiting for your missiles to hit (since you claim the bomber has an advantage in warp-out time), which means you'll be doing zero damage. -----------
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.01.08 00:04:00 - [15] stealth bombers are fine, keep flying them, i want more expensive cloaks as loot...^^ -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
nemmes Celestial Ascension	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:05:00 - [16] I got into the habit of popping wrecks in engagements, denying loot to the victors. Its mean but i get a little satisfaction helping the underdog. Bad me
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:08:00 - [17] a destroyer will work a lot beter then a stelthbomber :P
Brego Tralowski Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.08 06:14:00 - [18] SBs are a good little ship, as ive said before as with most pilots you need to choose your targets wisely before engageing - Like for example I took on a carrier in Arzi yesterday that was popping haulers coming out of the station there - sure i died eventually! But getting close (under 45km) i was able to uncloack target, fire and cloack before the missiles hit the target and still cause lots of DPS to his fighters and drones. Great fun! Solo hunting is great too, but some find it a little boring especially if you sit and wait for targets, and as i have also said before flying in a pack is grea fun, most of my corp fly them and we hunt in a group nothing like lots of bombs going off! Sure they have been nerfed a little and are a little less effective on frig class hulls but im still popping these sized ships in one volley. Please don't disreguard them as rubbish vessels all ships in game have a purpose and can be flown effectively one way or another. Bombing runs need rethinking as do some of the bombers bonuses but overall I still think they are a great ship you just need a little practice in useing them as with any ship. They are also very handy in missions for helping assist in lvl 4's sit a long way off and help engage with those lovely cruise missiles. My set-up: 3x Arb cruise launchers 1x T2 cloak 3x F-90 positional sensor boosters - 2x target speed and 1x target range scripts 1x Passive targeter 1x T2 overdrive 1x T2 Ballistic control rigs 2x T1 thruster rigs Plus faction ammo to the type you get a bonus for in you ship info. I use this set-up all the time - over 400ms cloacked and chucks out decent DPS, awesome locking times and a good range (114km currently). I believe in fire and maneuvure under cloak - very effective. Anyway have fun what ever you guys fly and fly safe all P.S. if you wanna chat about SBs im happy to help in game.
Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.08 08:15:00 - [19] It was a niche ship before, it's even worse off due to the ludicrous precision values of large missiles now. It's in-game description is patently false and misleading, btw. Sure, it's FUN but almost anything else is more usefull/effective/longer-lasting/cheaper to a srs gang for more circumstances. The thing ought to use Heavies now and have a sick ROF coupled with a natural precision and expl radius bonus.
Pitfighter	Posted - 2009.01.08 09:06:00 - [20] Tbh I am a big Stealth Bomber fan, they can be used to great effect in 0.0 harrasing enemy, hell I even flew a suicde fitted with a 24k point on it :P ^^ u would be supriced how many haulers + miners didnt see that one coming :P, but the moment i could get into a Recon ship i did so, IMO a SB is usefull for a: teaching newer pilots how to fly manauly, get through gate camps, move into a postion, algin, fire and get out, B providing a dps boost to recon gangs (allow this is hampered by having to provide off-grid warp in points and then slow boating it to effective range if hostiles are active ) this is 1 area where i actual agree with Merlin, give the dam ship a warped cloak abilty + they become a a valid ship in harassment ops
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 10:01:00 - [21] Stealth bombers are fine. Just give them a 100% missile velocity bonus and a 50% missile flight time reduction. Then would let them operate at longer ranges.
naya feelinglucky	Posted - 2009.01.08 12:04:00 - [22] Well , my bombers are nice 0.0 rat killers ... can be at 120 km killin angel bses
retro mike	Posted - 2009.01.08 12:25:00 - [23] Stealth bombers have lost their high alpha damage and now do a pathetic amount of damage against small ships. The missile nerf has hit the SB badly and rendered it unusable for pvp. ccp has left us with a shiptype that is crippled beyond belief.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 12:31:00 - [24] Originally by: retro mike Stealth bombers have lost their high alpha damage and now do a pathetic amount of damage against small ships. The missile nerf has hit the SB badly and rendered it unusable for pvp. ccp has left us with a shiptype that is crippled beyond belief. I still hit cruisers, BS, barges and haulers for the same amount. The only frigate sized ships I have ever attacked are cyno alts so the missile nerf has not changed anything for me.
Hidden Snake	Posted - 2009.01.08 14:54:00 - [25] Edited by: Hidden Snake on 08/01/2009 14:55:30 it is nearly impossible to kill sane cruiser pilot .... he will warp out, tank or shoot back (missiles or drones). If he will catch u, u r dead in seconds. so it is nice u r doing nice damage to cruisers but is somehow a bit useful only in big gangs (u will hide in numbers). I stopped flying sbs...now i fly trashers (1000 alfa and more survivability). more fun. but i hope ccp will fix the sbs ... they fix the only ship type (assault frigs) and break several others.
Stil Harkonnen	Posted - 2009.01.09 02:33:00 - [26] Edited by: Stil Harkonnen on 09/01/2009 02:34:21 Edited by: Stil Harkonnen on 09/01/2009 02:34:02 Originally by: retro mike Stealth bombers have lost their high alpha damage and now do a pathetic amount of damage against small ships. The missile nerf has hit the SB badly and rendered it unusable for pvp. ccp has left us with a shiptype that is crippled beyond belief. you must not fly stealth bombers... I have **** skills for missiles, and my missiles have 47 m explosion radius/diameter (not sure wich one it is). So basically it means I can't hit frigates only for full damage... everything else is fair game, though
retro mike	Posted - 2009.01.09 11:21:00 - [27] Edited by: retro mike on 09/01/2009 11:21:54 Originally by: Stil Harkonnen you must not fly stealth bombers... I have **** skills for missiles, and my missiles have 47 m explosion radius/diameter (not sure wich one it is). So basically it means I can't hit frigates only for full damage... everything else is fair game, though[/quote Youre right, I no longer fly SBs. It used to be that bombers they could hit moving ships for good damage, as long as they didnt activate their mwd's. Now however any small ship moving above 150 speed tanks really well. By talking about explosion rad u clearly do not understand the issue. The problem is explosion velocity. If i engage anything larger i would be in a different ship altogether
Scarlet Corona Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.09 12:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Harrent Edited by: Harrent on 06/01/2009 07:53:53 Originally by: Brego Tralowski Stealth bombers ... in a pack... Two of the smartest things said about stealth bombers since QR. Only if you think a ship is "balanced" if it needs 15 to 1 odds to kill anything... Here's a hint: anything that can be done by X stealth bombers, can be done infinitely better by X ships that don't suck. Sure lets use 15 Cap-ships instead of 15 SB's
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2009.01.09 12:53:00 - [29] Edited by: lecrotta on 09/01/2009 12:53:30 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Here's a hint: anything that can be done by X stealth bombers, can be done infinitely better by X ships that don't suck. Ok then, i wanna instantly lock after uncloaking and also move faster when i am cloaked than when i am not.....
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2009.01.09 13:49:00 - [30] Edited by: Warrio on 09/01/2009 13:49:26 I demand that SB become what their name implies. Give them torps, give them crazy long range and huge damage but give the a role "bonus" that nerfs the explosion velocity of their torps making them highly effective cap killers in groups but still paper thin and poor at hurting anything with a sig less than 600m and moving faster than 100m/s.

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