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Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:12:00 - [1] Edited by: Arianhod on 07/01/2009 15:15:32 "Now Stop Worrying and Enjoy Your Life" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/religion-atheist-bus-campaign-national Raised ú140k and spend it on an ad campaign across Britain promoting the high probability of the non existence of a supernatural creator. Also it got Richard Dawkins seal of approval, and to be honest I am surprised that a topic hasn't popped up yet. Very much in favour of this myself, prooves that Political Correctness still has a way to go before it kills freedom of speach and I just love the sound of people calling this project insulting to religious factions. Just prooves the point I suppose Also hit enter by accident - thread now with added content! Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:16:00 - [2] This is a trap. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:18:00 - [3] Originally by: Arianhod Edited by: Arianhod on 07/01/2009 15:15:32 "Now Stop Worrying and Enjoy Your Life" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/religion-atheist-bus-campaign-national Raised ú140k and spend it on an ad campaign across Britain promoting the high probability of the non existence of a supernatural creator. Also it got Richard Dawkins seal of approval, and to be honest I am surprised that a topic hasn't popped up yet. Very much in favour of this myself, prooves that Political Correctness still has a way to go before it kills freedom of speach and I just love the sound of people calling this project insulting to religious factions. Just prooves the point I suppose Also hit enter by accident - thread now with added content! My fists tire Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:19:00 - [4] Originally by: Slade Trillgon This is a trap. Slade 404 ù File not found. You can create your own free blog on WordPress.com. Can't argue with that, it's a 404 trap HIT THE DECK!! Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:28:00 - [5] I consider it equally disgusting as any religious ad I see. Didn't we have this thread months ago? _______ ◕◡◕
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:29:00 - [6] Old news, and a bit meh anyways. All things like this do is waste money. Yes. Yes, I am.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Great Artista I consider it equally disgusting as any religious ad I see. Didn't we have this thread months ago? I think the main idea behind it is to illustrate how disgusting pro Religious ones are by taking the Atheist point and doing something tame by comparison. ie the named Christian one delightfully informing people on their website that "non christians will burn in hell". Why do Atheists get the bad reputation anyway.... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Rob Z0mbie	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Arianhod Why do Atheists get the bad reputation anyway.... Those who don't conform are often hated. still though, ;hi5; i like. \(o.0)/
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:44:00 - [9] Edited by: Great Artista on 07/01/2009 15:47:12 Why would an atheist care what someone else believes in? I can understand religion's view on this; you care about someone else, so you must save them from hell or oblivion or from being reborn as a frog. There propably aint no God, why don't you join our little club of atheism, if you feel the same. Since when was it a cult, recruiting people from the streets? This is beyond me to be honest. Edit: No offence, but this thread requires lock before it gets any worse.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks Terradyne Networks Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:49:00 - [10] I remember was one of the websites linked the preacher was actually promoting vandalism on any bus that had this sign. I wonder if they'll go through with it.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Great Artista Why would an atheist care what someone else believes in? I can understand religion's view on this; you care about someone else, so you must save them from hell or oblivion or from being reborn as a frog. There propably aint no God, why don't you join our little club of atheism, if you feel the same. Since when was it a cult, recruiting people from the streets? This is beyond me to be honest. The general idea is that when you start seeing the non existence of a God as fact, you then see Religion as a con. For me personaly, and probably for quite a few others it is really disturbing seeing people taking something as fact with the proof being the little book in their hands that cannot be demonstrated or is not subject to science. If you see someone worshipping Santa do you simply let them go or would you point out he doesn't exist? Same thing. Originally by: Robert M.Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. ôWhen one person suffers from delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from delusion it is called religion.ö Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.07 15:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Arianhod Originally by: Great Artista I consider it equally disgusting as any religious ad I see. Didn't we have this thread months ago? I think the main idea behind it is to illustrate how disgusting pro Religious ones are by taking the Atheist point and doing something tame by comparison. ie the named Christian one delightfully informing people on their website that "non christians will burn in hell". Why do Atheists get the bad reputation anyway.... Actually in this day and age atheists are losing that bad rep and christians tend to be gaining it. But I agree with great, buses shouldnt be riding around sporting beliefs, whether it be christianity, budhism, or atheism.
armas Gallente Minbari Research Institute	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Great Artista I consider it equally disgusting as any religious ad I see. Didn't we have this thread months ago? Yes we did and you ridiculed my view that its intention was to make people think. It's nice to see that Professor Dawkins shares my view though: "I wanted something stronger but with hindsight I think it's probably a good thing because it makes people think. It's just food for thought û people will have conversations in pubs when they see these buses." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4141765/Atheist-buses-denying-Gods-existence-take-to-streets.html
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Arianhod The general idea is that when you start seeing the non existence of a God as fact, you then see Religion as a con. For me personaly, and probably for quite a few others it is really disturbing seeing people taking something as fact with the proof being the little book in their hands that cannot be demonstrated or is not subject to science. If you see someone worshipping Santa do you simply let them go or would you point out he doesn't exist? Same thing. 1. What kind of person is going to be convinced by a bus advert. Who even looks at those? 2. What? Who's taking what as fact? Almost everything Jesus said was metaphor, not fact. How do you subject metaphors to science? 3. Kirjava/Arianhod. Ruining Santa's Grotto for children since 1989.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:06:00 - [15] Quote: Why would an atheist care what someone else believes in? "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"? Everywhere you look you can see people doing stupid things in the name of this or that deity and most of them aren't even Khorne worshipers :/
Rob Z0mbie	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Great Artista Edited by: Great Artista on 07/01/2009 15:47:12 Why would an atheist care what someone else believes in? I can understand religion's view on this; you care about someone else, so you must save them from hell or oblivion or from being reborn as a frog. There propably aint no God, why don't you join our little club of atheism, if you feel the same. Since when was it a cult, recruiting people from the streets? This is beyond me to be honest. Edit: No offence, but this thread requires lock before it gets any worse. problem was when nonbelievers and members of other religions were hung\decapitated\burned back in the day. there's a lot of evidence for laws that specifically ordered that. that's why some atheists turn into anti-theists at some point in their non-belief cycle but most get out of it, except a few that still live in societies that still condone such punishments or ill-treatment. Atheists are for the most part reactionary. i know i don't turn into an atheist or anti-theist in some cases unless im confronted with believers who want to convert me and tell me the same stories again and again oh how i need to saved etc despite me telling them to kindly stop.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:14:00 - [17] Edited by: Arianhod on 07/01/2009 16:15:04 Originally by: Shirley Serious Originally by: Arianhod The general idea is that when you start seeing the non existence of a God as fact, you then see Religion as a con. For me personaly, and probably for quite a few others it is really disturbing seeing people taking something as fact with the proof being the little book in their hands that cannot be demonstrated or is not subject to science. If you see someone worshipping Santa do you simply let them go or would you point out he doesn't exist? Same thing. 1. What kind of person is going to be convinced by a bus advert. Who even looks at those? 2. What? Who's taking what as fact? Almost everything Jesus said was metaphor, not fact. How do you subject metaphors to science? 3. Kirjava/Arianhod. Ruining Santa's Grotto for children since 1989. Counter Response! 1. Well some people do, or at least enough to warrent paying for the ads in the first place. However given the subject it is the media highlighting it that is getting the debate going - which is the aim. 2. Jesus wasn't the only main character in the Bible, let us not forget the supporting cast and his resurrection from being clinically dead and then ascending into heaven. I assume that "Heaven" wasn't a pub he want to after faking his death to escape the pesky Romans ofc 3. I was born in November of 1990 (my followers please note this for later sending of Pressies). Also I went to this School, guess who my teacher was http://news.scotsman.com/education/Santa-gaffe-forces-head-teacher.4821128.jp
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:27:00 - [18] Nice to see my donation went on more bus adverts! ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.07 16:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Arianhod 1. However given the subject it is the media highlighting it that is getting the debate going - which is the aim. 2. Jesus wasn't the only main character in the Bible, let us not forget the supporting cast and his resurrection from being clinically dead and then ascending into heaven. 3. I was born in November of 1990 1. Looks to me like sufficient media circus could be made by simply saying you're going to do such things, but actually spending the money on sth else, e.g. some kind of charity or social investment thing. 2. Most of the other people were ****s tbh. The ones that set themselves up as priests afterward, for example. Jesus said you didn't need priests or temples or shenanigans, especially when they were so wrapped up in debates and protocol that they neglect the basic duty of helping people. Also regardless of what actually happened with the Resurrection, it can also be seen as a metaphor. By dying for his message, it gives it a lot more power. 3. 1989 sounds better... Yes. Yes, I am.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.07 17:48:00 - [20] We had one of these threads months ago. My personal opinion is if your the type who has to publicly announce to the world your opinions on spiritual life, be you religous or athiest then your pretty much asking for an ass kicking at some point and political correctness has nothing to do with it.
Hairy Manballs	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Jacob Mei We had one of these threads months ago. My personal opinion is if your the type who has to publicly announce to the world your opinions on spiritual life, be you religous or athiest then your pretty much asking for an ass kicking at some point and political correctness has nothing to do with it. That include churches?
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Hairy Manballs Originally by: Jacob Mei We had one of these threads months ago. My personal opinion is if your the type who has to publicly announce to the world your opinions on spiritual life, be you religous or athiest then your pretty much asking for an ass kicking at some point and political correctness has nothing to do with it. That include churches? If youÆre referring to the architecture itself then honestly I would have to say you have something up your butt. ItÆs just a building and if you find offence with a buildings that have a pair of 2x4Æs in a cross like design then I would recommend you go see a shrink to find out why an inanimate object brings up negative feelings in you. If you are referring to the signs that say things like ôJohn 3:16ö and so forth than yeah, I think its tacky and likely to fray nerves then to get someone to walk in. Churches (all religions) are really nothing more than clubs in my eyes. From personal experience I can rattle off a ton of problems I personally have with the church as an organization but thatÆs for another argument. Ultimately though if you are a true atheist why would you care if someone says ôgod bless youö or ômarry Christmasö or ôso help me godö or ôyour going to hell for not believingö? If you donÆt believe in god, the devil, heaven or hell why do you let such phrases have power over you.
Taua Roqa Minmatar Silhouette Soliloquy	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:25:00 - [23] old news. also atheism is about individuality and infinate possibility, dawkins does not represent me so he can ** off, and the insulted religious types can ** of oh so much more. I don't not believe in gods only to eat up the words of... whoever.
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Taua Roqa old news. also atheism is about individuality and infinate possibility, dawkins does not represent me so he can ** off, and the insulted religious types can ** of oh so much more. I don't not believe in gods only to eat up the words of... whoever. Old news yet implemented today - hence newsworthy. Also I kinda like Dawkins myself, but each to their own and in itself that is the beauty of it
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:31:00 - [25] Old news. Does anyone else see the irony in Dawkins approving theism bashing against people that bash atheism? I swear he'd be elected Pope if atheism was ever declared a religion.
EnslaverOfMinmatar	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:36:00 - [26] That's a one expensive troll.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Great Artista Why would an atheist care what someone else believes in? Why do psychiatrists care what crazy people think ?
Taua Roqa Minmatar Silhouette Soliloquy	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Arianhod Old news yet implemented today - hence newsworthy. aye fair point :) oh, I don't at all dislike richard, he's an intelligent man and we have a lot in common, but religious types, being what they are, will try and group atheists all together in one lump, which of course is totally missing the point - we are the ever evolving, open to possibility future of human thought! of course the irony of a bunch of people following richard about is not lost on him :P a tip i would give to people who consider themselves atheists is to disagree with each other for the sake of it :D
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:53:00 - [29] Religious belief needs to be treated like any other delusion or psychological problem : first awareness campaigns, then medication, and if that doesn't work, stick'em in a padded cell
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.07 18:54:00 - [30] I'm lovin it, parapapapa. Great ad :)
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.07 19:10:00 - [31] saw that today funnily enough, didnt think twice about it Iv found him
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.07 19:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Akita T Religious belief needs to be treated like any other delusion or psychological problem : first awareness campaigns, then medication, and if that doesn't work, stick'em in a padded cell Agreeing You would do the same to a conspiracy theorist -------------------------------------------
Sharra Savente Brotherhood of the Phoenix	Posted - 2009.01.07 19:33:00 - [33] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar That's a one expensive troll. HAHA, yes, I actually laughed out loud reading that:) /thread. ____ English doesn't borrow from other languages; it follows other languages down dark alleys, coshes 'em, then rummages in their pockets for loose bits of grammar.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.07 19:59:00 - [34] Originally by: Sharra Savente Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar That's a one expensive troll. HAHA, yes, I actually laughed out loud reading that:) /thread. but religion is so easy to troll Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Arianhod	Posted - 2009.01.07 20:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Sharra Savente Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar That's a one expensive troll. HAHA, yes, I actually laughed out loud reading that:) /thread. but religion is so easy to troll Indeed Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:04:00 - [36] I expect religious people to waste money but atheists, damn you all to he...he...
DubanFP Caldari R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:25:00 - [37] Edited by: DubanFP on 07/01/2009 22:28:18 Originally by: Spaztick Old news. Does anyone else see the irony in Dawkins approving theism bashing against people that bash atheism? That was the entire point! To put atheism in the same light and you fell for the trap. You looked down on atheism without even thinking how the religious messages are equally offensive. I do think the posters are a bit too much but this is why they were posted in the first place. _______________ "It's not about the look of your ship or the size of your guns. It's about how much **** you can @#$# up with it"
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.07 22:31:00 - [38] Originally by: DubanFP Originally by: Spaztick Old news. Does anyone else see the irony in Dawkins approving theism bashing against people that bash atheism? That was the entire point! Its not old news. What was old news was that a few months ago, had only a few adverts on some London buses. It kicked up a stink with a few Churchies saying their followers should commit crimes, off the back of that they raised ú140k. Now the new news is that it's rolled out nationwide. Also, I don't see where the campaign tells theists that they are wrong and will suffer in "eternal damnation" for believing so. ------ Originally by: Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Nubswarm001	Posted - 2009.01.08 00:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Great Artista Edited by: Great Artista on 07/01/2009 15:47:12 Why would an atheist care what someone else believes in? Well tbh i do when its constantly thrusted in my face all the time. The adverts to me show a further step in free speach. If religious cults can do it, come by your house trying to spread the word, listen to it by random nut jobs on the high street and being almost forced to take pamphlets... Then yeah, money well spent. Atheism isnt about a cult, its about trying to show people that what matters in life is life, not some crazy crap about when you die. Life didnt come with a rule book, is what it is. Do not think it needs a lock tbh. Perfectly valid post imho.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 00:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Jacob Mei Edited by: Jacob Mei on 07/01/2009 18:16:49 Originally by: Hairy Manballs Originally by: Jacob Mei We had one of these threads months ago. My personal opinion is if your the type who has to publicly announce to the world your opinions on spiritual life, be you religous or athiest then your pretty much asking for an ass kicking at some point and political correctness has nothing to do with it. That include churches? If youÆre referring to the architecture itself then honestly I would have to say you have something up your butt. ItÆs just a building and if you find offence with a buildings that have a pair of 2x4Æs in a cross like design then I would recommend you go see a Psychologist to find out why an inanimate object brings up negative feelings in you. If you are referring to the signs that say things like ôJohn 3:16ö and so forth than yeah, I think its tacky and likely to fray nerves then to get someone to walk in. Churches (all religions) are really nothing more than clubs in my eyes. From personal experience I can rattle off a ton of problems I personally have with the church as an organization but thatÆs for another argument. Ultimately though if you are a true atheist why would you care if someone says ôgod bless youö or ômarry Christmasö or ôso help me godö or ôyour going to hell for not believingö? If you donÆt believe in god, the devil, heaven or hell why do you let such phrases have power over you. Because they cannot prove religion isn't true anymore than religious people can prove it is true. Plus ego waving is really irritating, which seems to be the use of religious standing by many people. To OP, its old news but a funny troll anyway. The shouty religious and atheists both annoy me.
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 01:31:00 - [41] ok first. A: darwin or W/e his name is wrong because there is no proof on evolution B: im sorry but you cant just keep telling yourself to blend in and eventually you will blend in. no thats not how it works its called intelligent design an don't be a *** and think people worry about going to hell good christians know they are going some where BETTER than this hell. plus GOOD christians who devote there time to the bible usually have a very good moral apperence so why all the anti-religious bull** maybe i shouldn't of jumped through that gate
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.01.08 01:47:00 - [42] Originally by: mercyonman ok first. A: darwin or W/e his name is wrong because there is no proof on evolution B: im sorry but you cant just keep telling yourself to blend in and eventually you will blend in. no thats not how it works its called intelligent design an don't be a *** and think people worry about going to hell good christians know they are going some where BETTER than this hell. plus GOOD christians who devote there time to the bible usually have a very good moral apperence so why all the anti-religious bull Incoming troll alert! ------ Originally by:** Rifter Drifter News just in.. Games are a pastime.. not a way of life. If your not enjoying, stop playing, and don't post about it.
Arvald Caldari MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.08 01:49:00 - [43] HAIL SATAN....errr.......heh... wow... that almsot NEVER happens in public i edit spelling for no one
DubanFP Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.01.08 01:50:00 - [44] Edited by: DubanFP on 08/01/2009 01:55:07 Originally by: mercyonman ok first. A: darwin or W/e his name is wrong because there is no proof on evolution B: im sorry but you cant just keep telling yourself to blend in and eventually you will blend in. no thats not how it works its called intelligent design an don't be a *** and think people worry about going to hell good christians know they are going some where BETTER than this hell. plus GOOD christians who devote there time to the bible usually have a very good moral apperence so why all the anti-religious bull Most Atheists/Agnostic-Atheists don't have anything against people simply for being theists. The problem is the rather large chunk of theists, such as yourself, that use it as an excuse to look down on others. Your post implies that atheists will go to hell, thus serving yourself as somehow better, while acting like you're morally superior for passing that judgement. It's that extremely hypocritical attitude that makes it difficult not to be somewhat bitter. Still I would rather be a bitter atheist then a Hypocritical christian anyday. _______________ "It's not about the look of your ship or the size of your guns. It's about how much ** you can @#$# up with it"
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.01.08 02:32:00 - [45] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 08/01/2009 02:33:58 Originally by: mercyonman ok first.A: darwin or W/e his name is wrong because there is no proof on evolution 100% wrong. There is overwhelming evidence for evolution, to the point which virtually every biologist (there are always a couple of nutcases and frauds) accepts it as the correct theory. A few seconds of searching with google, something you clearly haven't done, would find all the evidence you could ask for. Quote: B: im sorry but you cant just keep telling yourself to blend in and eventually you will blend in. no thats not how it works its called intelligent design Please, before posting about the subject, take the time to understand what the theory of evolution does and does not claim. Nowhere in the theory does it claim that an individual organism will evolve, evolution refers to genetic changes over many generations. Quote: an don't be a *** and think people worry about going to hell good christians know they are going some where BETTER than this hell. plus GOOD christians who devote there time to the bible usually have a very good moral apperence And just how many of these "good Christians" do you know? The ones I've known have worried a lot about going to hell. Or maybe you're referring to the type who claim to be perfect while lecturing everyone else on their sins? Quote: so why all the anti-religious bull** Because religion is factually wrong. If 90% of my country believed that the earth was flat, there would be the same kind of outrage. The fact that religion does considerable harm to both society and individuals just adds to my motivation to end it.
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 05:22:00 - [46] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 08/01/2009 02:00:27 Originally by: mercyonman ok first. A: darwin or W/e his name is wrong because there is no proof on evolution B: im sorry but you cant just keep telling yourself to blend in and eventually you will blend in. no thats not how it works its called intelligent design an don't be a *** and think people worry about going to hell good christians know they are going some where BETTER than this hell. plus GOOD christians who devote there time to the bible usually have a very good moral apperence so why all the anti-religious bull** Most Atheists/Agnostic-Atheists don't have anything against people simply for being theists. The problem is the rather large chunk of theists, such as yourself, that use it as an excuse to look down on others. Your post implies that atheists will go to hell, thus serving yourself as somehow better, while acting like you're morally superior for passing that judgment. It's that extremely hypocritical self-serving attitude inherent in religion that makes it difficult not to be somewhat bitter. Still I would rather be a bitter atheist then a Hypocritical christian any day. i am no less nor better than anyone on here and i never said you were gunna go to hell i don't know WHAT your future holds also i was just defending the actually GOOD people out there aren't that many of them these days. plus the other point i was trying to get across is intelligent design
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 05:25:00 - [47] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 08/01/2009 02:33:58 Originally by: mercyonman ok first.A: Darwin or W/e his name is wrong because there is no proof on evolution 100% wrong. There is overwhelming evidence for evolution, to the point which virtually every biologist (there are always a couple of nutcases and frauds) accepts it as the correct theory. A few seconds of searching with google, something you clearly haven't done, would find all the evidence you could ask for. Quote: B: im sorry but you cant just keep telling yourself to blend in and eventually you will blend in. no thats not how it works its called intelligent design Please, before posting about the subject, take the time to understand what the theory of evolution does and does not claim. Nowhere in the theory does it claim that an individual organism will evolve, evolution refers to genetic changes over many generations. Quote: an don't be a *** and think people worry about going to hell good christians know they are going some where BETTER than this hell. plus GOOD christians who devote there time to the bible usually have a very good moral apperence And just how many of these "good Christians" do you know? The ones I've known have worried a lot about going to hell. Or maybe you're referring to the type who claim to be perfect while lecturing everyone else on their sins? Quote: so why all the anti-religious bull** Because religion is factually wrong. If 90% of my country believed that the earth was flat, there would be the same kind of outrage. The fact that religion does considerable harm to both society and individuals just adds to my motivation to end it. ok when i was talking about Darwin i meant that we in no way shape or form came from monkeys or any of that sort. also to add everything on google can't be trusted and do you know how far people will go to just try to get people to follow them?
Arvald Caldari MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.08 05:29:00 - [48] Originally by: mercyonman ok when i was talking about Darwin i meant that we in no way shape or form came from monkeys or any of that sort. how do you know that with 100% certainty?
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 05:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: mercyonman ok when i was talking about Darwin i meant that we in no way shape or form came from monkeys or any of that sort. how do you know that with 100% certainty? there is no link period there would still be a lasting link to show us that we evolved
Arvald Caldari MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.08 05:33:00 - [50] Originally by: mercyonman Originally by: Arvald Originally by: mercyonman ok when i was talking about Darwin i meant that we in no way shape or form came from monkeys or any of that sort. how do you know that with 100% certainty? there is no link period there would still be a lasting link to show us that we evolved and how you know with 100% certainty that that is true?
mercyonman Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.08 05:35:00 - [51] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: mercyonman Originally by: Arvald Originally by: mercyonman ok when i was talking about Darwin i meant that we in no way shape or form came from monkeys or any of that sort. how do you know that with 100% certainty? there is no link period there would still be a lasting link to show us that we evolved and how you know with 100% certainty that that is true? i haven't seen any half human half w/e walking around lately i ALSO haven't been seeing the scientific community boasting about there finds but he they are all focused on global warming ain't that a shame millions of dollars going to something that isn't even happening
Arvald Caldari MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.08 05:37:00 - [52] Originally by: mercyonman i haven't seen any half human half w/e walking around lately i ALSO haven't been seeing the scientific community boasting about there finds but he they are all focused on global warming ain't that a shame millions of dollars going to something that isn't even happening thus why its called a theory. and also it has more evidence to support it then the existance of a god
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.01.08 06:03:00 - [53] Originally by: mercyonman ok when i was talking about Darwin i meant that we in no way shape or form came from monkeys or any of that sort. You are correct, though for a very different reason than you think. We didn't come from monkeys, present-day monkeys and humans both diverged from a common ancestor. If you don't even know what the theory claims and does not claim, why do you feel that you are qualified to comment on its accuracy? Oh, and that common ancestor? Again, backed up by vast amounts of fossil and genetic evidence. Quote: also to add everything on google can't be trusted Right again, but it's fairly easy to find legitimate sites. Or if you really don't trust the internet, buy a decent intro-level university biology textbook. Originally by: mercyonman i haven't seen any half human half w/e walking around lately And I repeat: if you do not even know what the theory does and does not claim, why do you feel that you are qualified to comment on its accuracy? This "half human" nonsense is such an absurd strawman of what the theory of evolution actually claims that I don't even know where to start on correcting you. Quote: i ALSO haven't been seeing the scientific community boasting about there finds You clearly haven't been looking very hard. A few seconds with google, or a few hours in a library reading scientific journals, or even a trip to the science section of your local bookstore, would give you plenty of scientists "boasting" about their recent finds. Quote: but he they are all focused on global warming ain't that a shame And again you show your complete lack of understanding of how science works. Global warming has absolutely nothing to do with biology, and there is no reason why global warming research would interfere with evolutionary biology. Quote: millions of dollars going to something that isn't even happening If I may ask, what are your scientific credentials? You seem to feel you more about the subject than a huge number of experienced scientists in relevant fields, so it should be fairly easy to give me a link to your research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.08 06:08:00 - [54] Originally by: mercyonman Originally by: Arvald Originally by: mercyonman ok when i was talking about Darwin i meant that we in no way shape or form came from monkeys or any of that sort. how do you know that with 100% certainty? there is no link period there would still be a lasting link to show us that we evolved Wow. You have a lot to learn.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2009.01.08 06:25:00 - [55] Originally by: mercyonman but he they are all focused on global warming ain't that a shame millions of dollars going to something that isn't even happening Funny, that sounds awfully like how religion is; because how do you explain the billions of unheard prayers since some jewish hippie died on a cross for our past, present and future sins, for us all nonetheless? Like it just ain't happening. Cruel, cruel, but hilarious irony.

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