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DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:12:00 - [1] Sentries now recognize criminally flagged players, so you cant go near a sentry or jump out after you shoot someone in a belt like before. BUT what they failed to mention is that now if you are -5.0 or under, and someone shoots you, you CANNOT defend yourself in return. Before you could shoot back in self defense, now if you so much as open fire, you get flagged and shot up by sentries, AND the guy who opened fire on you. Personally, I think thats bull, and negates any chance of pvp if the guy is just gonna redock or jump, but you know.. I'm sure some wiseass will come on here telling me how its all smart and fair and totally thought out. Have fun, and keep this ninja-stealth-change in mind _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:12:00 - [2] Sentries now recognize criminally flagged players, so you cant go near a sentry or jump out after you shoot someone in a belt like before. BUT what they failed to mention is that now if you are -5.0 or under, and someone shoots you, you CANNOT defend yourself in return. Before you could shoot back in self defense, now if you so much as open fire, you get flagged and shot up by sentries, AND the guy who opened fire on you. Personally, I think thats bull, and negates any chance of pvp if the guy is just gonna redock or jump, but you know.. I'm sure some wiseass will come on here telling me how its all smart and fair and totally thought out. Have fun, and keep this ninja-stealth-change in mind _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:16:00 - [3] Ooooh, that doesn't sound quite right LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:16:00 - [4] Ooooh, that doesn't sound quite right LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
XpoHoc	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:18:00 - [5] It's April again?
XpoHoc	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:18:00 - [6] It's April again?
Loctar	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:28:00 - [7] its bull imo There is no such thing as innocence, only various degrees of guilt
Loctar	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:28:00 - [8] its bull imo There is no such thing as innocence, only various degrees of guilt
nieo	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:35:00 - [9] Sounds as if something ain't right here. I've discovered a glitch about drones as well causing harm, despite whats being written in the support part of this site.
nieo	Posted - 2004.07.25 22:35:00 - [10] Sounds as if something ain't right here. I've discovered a glitch about drones as well causing harm, despite whats being written in the support part of this site.
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:15:00 - [11] Digital's right, just happended to someone I know, Sentries ganked him for fighting back. Shoddy work. --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:15:00 - [12] Digital's right, just happended to someone I know, Sentries ganked him for fighting back. Shoddy work. --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
Joe Blob	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:17:00 - [13] Thats lame, on both counts
Joe Blob	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:17:00 - [14] Thats lame, on both counts
Darrin Tobruk	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:20:00 - [15] That blows. You should at least get to shoot back if someone initiates combat with you if you're -5.0 and lower. Utter crap _______________________________________________ Eris Discordia: On the scale of funny and constructive it scores low, real low.
Darrin Tobruk	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:20:00 - [16] That blows. You should at least get to shoot back if someone initiates combat with you if you're -5.0 and lower. Utter crap _______________________________________________ Eris Discordia: On the scale of funny and constructive it scores low, real low.
killswitch	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:22:00 - [17] ugh. sigh
killswitch	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:22:00 - [18] ugh. sigh
Rasta Rocketman	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:29:00 - [19] I recently learned this the hard way. Got shot at, so i shot back, senties opened up. Was also warp scrambled so I basically just had to bend over and take it. _______________________________________________ "I spilled spot remover on my dog....now he's gone." -Steven Wright
Rasta Rocketman	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:29:00 - [20] I recently learned this the hard way. Got shot at, so i shot back, senties opened up. Was also warp scrambled so I basically just had to bend over and take it. _______________________________________________ "I spilled spot remover on my dog....now he's gone." -Steven Wright
Skywalker	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:30:00 - [21] Oh man More Mafia info
Skywalker	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:30:00 - [22] Oh man More Mafia info
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:00:00 - [23] See, I have two problems with this change. One being they never said anything about changing it, which is totally unacceptable. You can't change the rules of the game without telling people first. If this is an unintended side-effect from the sentry changes, it needs to be fixed ASAP. Two is that now everyone and their mother in a frig, indi, cruiser and bs will want to take potshots at you, whether they think they can win or not. Yeah if I got a -10 security status, I should watch my back for any pirate hunters, because if they wanna gank me, they have the option of doing so. But this is just stupid, basically someone in a cruiser can web and scramble you, and peck away at you all day long, and you're not going anywhere because you're scrambled and webbed. Good luck getting out of that, either you try to dock or jump, which isnt happening any time soon, or you blast the punk, but now you've committed suicide, because he only needs to survive your beating for 30 seconds until the sentries and him finish you off. With these recent changes, I'm sad to say, its totally worthless to pirate in empire space. Not only did they nerf it by making you wait 20min, you cant even defend yourself. Looks like I'll be npc hunting to get back up again. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:00:00 - [24] See, I have two problems with this change. One being they never said anything about changing it, which is totally unacceptable. You can't change the rules of the game without telling people first. If this is an unintended side-effect from the sentry changes, it needs to be fixed ASAP. Two is that now everyone and their mother in a frig, indi, cruiser and bs will want to take potshots at you, whether they think they can win or not. Yeah if I got a -10 security status, I should watch my back for any pirate hunters, because if they wanna gank me, they have the option of doing so. But this is just stupid, basically someone in a cruiser can web and scramble you, and peck away at you all day long, and you're not going anywhere because you're scrambled and webbed. Good luck getting out of that, either you try to dock or jump, which isnt happening any time soon, or you blast the punk, but now you've committed suicide, because he only needs to survive your beating for 30 seconds until the sentries and him finish you off. With these recent changes, I'm sad to say, its totally worthless to pirate in empire space. Not only did they nerf it by making you wait 20min, you cant even defend yourself. Looks like I'll be npc hunting to get back up again. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Miss Take	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:01:00 - [25] Yep. seen it myself and it blows. CCP please fix this, if it is meant to be a feature then its crap.
Miss Take	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:01:00 - [26] Yep. seen it myself and it blows. CCP please fix this, if it is meant to be a feature then its crap.
Hannas	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:12:00 - [27] Omg that really sucks, i really hate the Dev's sometimes
Hannas	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:12:00 - [28] Omg that really sucks, i really hate the Dev's sometimes
Wicked Warrior	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:29:00 - [29] ------------------------------------------ When you get close enough to read this line, you are low... Choose your meaning of low a) passing below the normal level base of measurement b) marking a nadir or bottom <the low point of his career> c) DEAD -- used as a predicate adjective d) socially humble in character or status e) of lesser degree f) of lesser position, rank, or order g) falling short of some standard (mine) h) not advanced in complexity, development, or elaboration
Wicked Warrior	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:29:00 - [30] ------------------------------------------ When you get close enough to read this line, you are low... Choose your meaning of low a) passing below the normal level base of measurement b) marking a nadir or bottom <the low point of his career> c) DEAD -- used as a predicate adjective d) socially humble in character or status e) of lesser degree f) of lesser position, rank, or order g) falling short of some standard (mine) h) not advanced in complexity, development, or elaboration
Artharas	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:46:00 - [31] Sounds kind of wrong and I am sure it is a bug, but untill it is fixed, I can't say I feel for you at all Artharas ------------------------- These are my views and don't necessarily represent my corp nor my alliance.
Artharas	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:46:00 - [32] Sounds kind of wrong and I am sure it is a bug, but untill it is fixed, I can't say I feel for you at all Artharas ------------------------- These are my views and don't necessarily represent my corp nor my alliance.
Pa1nbringr	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:53:00 - [33] its very wrong i think its good enough that they get the first shot ---------------------- Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out Pa1nbringr > sick Fedaykin Naib > lol
Pa1nbringr	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:53:00 - [34] its very wrong i think its good enough that they get the first shot ---------------------- Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out Pa1nbringr > sick Fedaykin Naib > lol
Danks	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:56:00 - [35] If this isn't a bug it's total crap. Please Dev's, stop making the EvE universe more safe (this is coming from on non-pirate player who has been ganked at gates).
Danks	Posted - 2004.07.26 00:56:00 - [36] If this isn't a bug it's total crap. Please Dev's, stop making the EvE universe more safe (this is coming from on non-pirate player who has been ganked at gates).
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.07.26 01:05:00 - [37] booo! fix it! -
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.07.26 01:05:00 - [38] booo! fix it! -
Mitchman	Posted - 2004.07.26 01:39:00 - [39] A dev stated in another thread that this is a bug, and people have been reimbursed for this.
Mitchman	Posted - 2004.07.26 01:39:00 - [40] A dev stated in another thread that this is a bug, and people have been reimbursed for this.
Dave10	Posted - 2004.07.26 01:40:00 - [41] Edited by: Dave10 on 26/07/2004 01:41:53 You cant defend yourself altogether it seems. I shot back at a scorpian in defense, and then i tried to jump through a gate to run away, i wasnt allowed due to "acts of agression"...so what did i lose? a megathron
Dave10	Posted - 2004.07.26 01:40:00 - [42] Edited by: Dave10 on 26/07/2004 01:41:53 You cant defend yourself altogether it seems. I shot back at a scorpian in defense, and then i tried to jump through a gate to run away, i wasnt allowed due to "acts of agression"...so what did i lose? a megathron
Powder	Posted - 2004.07.26 02:27:00 - [43] i geuss the logic behind it, least what i always thought, is that you get attacked by concord/sentries for having a negatvie sec adjustment in .1+ so if your at -5.0 (like digi is) if someone attacks you they get no negative sec hit, hence they dont get criminaly flagged, so when you attack in self defense if they are -4.9+ your gonna take some sort of sec hit and then get flagged/attack by sentries. Would be interesting to see what happens if 2 -5.0 folks attacked one another infront of sentries, got a feeling neither would be attacked by the sentries.
Powder	Posted - 2004.07.26 02:27:00 - [44] i geuss the logic behind it, least what i always thought, is that you get attacked by concord/sentries for having a negatvie sec adjustment in .1+ so if your at -5.0 (like digi is) if someone attacks you they get no negative sec hit, hence they dont get criminaly flagged, so when you attack in self defense if they are -4.9+ your gonna take some sort of sec hit and then get flagged/attack by sentries. Would be interesting to see what happens if 2 -5.0 folks attacked one another infront of sentries, got a feeling neither would be attacked by the sentries.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:06:00 - [45] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 26/07/2004 03:10:13 Quote: i geuss the logic behind it, least what i always thought, is that you get attacked by concord/sentries for having a negatvie sec adjustment in .1+ No, you only get shot by sentries for having bad sec in .5 and above
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:06:00 - [46] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 26/07/2004 03:10:13 Quote: i geuss the logic behind it, least what i always thought, is that you get attacked by concord/sentries for having a negatvie sec adjustment in .1+ No, you only get shot by sentries for having bad sec in .5 and above
Powder	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:35:00 - [47] Edited by: Powder on 26/07/2004 03:38:42 err i mean a negative sec adjustment which cant happen in 0.0 ie you shot at someone in empire your sec gets lowered by .5 or whatever, becasue it has changed in a negative amount (not a negative sec rating) concord will respond/gates shot at you and such depending on where you are.
Powder	Posted - 2004.07.26 03:35:00 - [48] Edited by: Powder on 26/07/2004 03:38:42 err i mean a negative sec adjustment which cant happen in 0.0 ie you shot at someone in empire your sec gets lowered by .5 or whatever, becasue it has changed in a negative amount (not a negative sec rating) concord will respond/gates shot at you and such depending on where you are.
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.07.26 06:09:00 - [49] Another beutyfull and very clever change by CCP. Very nice to see that things go in the right direction- This sentry thing and yesterdays Lag and Bug performance SUX. Ahh..feels great to provide with some constructive ideas!! God damn CCP fix this or take away the change until it's stabil. This halts to much of to manys gameplay.....or is it training week for new CM's or what?? -out- ********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.07.26 06:09:00 - [50] Another beutyfull and very clever change by CCP. Very nice to see that things go in the right direction- This sentry thing and yesterdays Lag and Bug performance SUX. Ahh..feels great to provide with some constructive ideas!! God damn CCP fix this or take away the change until it's stabil. This halts to much of to manys gameplay.....or is it training week for new CM's or what?? -out- ********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
Cidar	Posted - 2004.07.26 07:13:00 - [51] Thats just wrong, just because your an outlaw (-5.0) your not allowed to defend yourself! Devs, fix this problem, and the many others that are about.
Cidar	Posted - 2004.07.26 07:13:00 - [52] Thats just wrong, just because your an outlaw (-5.0) your not allowed to defend yourself! Devs, fix this problem, and the many others that are about.
Cardassius	Posted - 2004.07.26 08:39:00 - [53] Originally by: Cidar Thats just wrong, just because your an outlaw (-5.0) your not allowed to defend yourself! That's why most of the time crime doesn't pay ;) Imo if you have such a low sec rating it's just your own fault. There have been times when -5.0 guys weren't even delt with in .5+ space so well..you got lucky then.. unlucky now ;) Just run when somebody shoots you ;) If you can muahaha.. ASCI Recruiting!
Cardassius	Posted - 2004.07.26 08:39:00 - [54] Originally by: Cidar Thats just wrong, just because your an outlaw (-5.0) your not allowed to defend yourself! That's why most of the time crime doesn't pay ;) Imo if you have such a low sec rating it's just your own fault. There have been times when -5.0 guys weren't even delt with in .5+ space so well..you got lucky then.. unlucky now ;) Just run when somebody shoots you ;) If you can muahaha.. ASCI Recruiting!
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.07.26 08:41:00 - [55] GANK teh CarePie but yeah rule kinda sucks. "Teh lord of Nonni"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.07.26 08:41:00 - [56] GANK teh CarePie but yeah rule kinda sucks. "Teh lord of Nonni"
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.07.26 08:44:00 - [57] Originally by: Cardassius Originally by: Cidar Thats just wrong, just because your an outlaw (-5.0) your not allowed to defend yourself! That's why most of the time crime doesn't pay ;) Imo if you have such a low sec rating it's just your own fault. There have been times when -5.0 guys weren't even delt with in .5+ space so well..you got lucky then.. unlucky now ;) Just run when somebody shoots you ;) If you can muahaha.. Talking about 0.4-0.0 (empire) here! ..u to? -out- ********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.07.26 08:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Cardassius Originally by: Cidar Thats just wrong, just because your an outlaw (-5.0) your not allowed to defend yourself! That's why most of the time crime doesn't pay ;) Imo if you have such a low sec rating it's just your own fault. There have been times when -5.0 guys weren't even delt with in .5+ space so well..you got lucky then.. unlucky now ;) Just run when somebody shoots you ;) If you can muahaha.. Talking about 0.4-0.0 (empire) here! ..u to? -out- ********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
Pa1nbringr	Posted - 2004.07.26 08:52:00 - [59] Originally by: FoRGyL Originally by: Cardassius Originally by: Cidar Thats just wrong, just because your an outlaw (-5.0) your not allowed to defend yourself! That's why most of the time crime doesn't pay ;) Imo if you have such a low sec rating it's just your own fault. There have been times when -5.0 guys weren't even delt with in .5+ space so well..you got lucky then.. unlucky now ;) Just run when somebody shoots you ;) If you can muahaha.. Talking about 0.4-0.0 (empire) here! ..u to? -out- hes retarded.... just ignore him ---------------------- Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out Pa1nbringr > sick Fedaykin Naib > lol
Pa1nbringr	Posted - 2004.07.26 08:52:00 - [60] Originally by: FoRGyL Originally by: Cardassius Originally by: Cidar Thats just wrong, just because your an outlaw (-5.0) your not allowed to defend yourself! That's why most of the time crime doesn't pay ;) Imo if you have such a low sec rating it's just your own fault. There have been times when -5.0 guys weren't even delt with in .5+ space so well..you got lucky then.. unlucky now ;) Just run when somebody shoots you ;) If you can muahaha.. Talking about 0.4-0.0 (empire) here! ..u to? -out- hes retarded.... just ignore him ---------------------- Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out Pa1nbringr > sick Fedaykin Naib > lol
M0RIARTY	Posted - 2004.07.26 09:57:00 - [61] I agree... this sux bigly CCP please feel free to fix it anytime soonÖ Noo sig comming SOONÖ =================================================== What are we going to do about all this ignorance and apathy?.... I don't know and I don't care!
M0RIARTY	Posted - 2004.07.26 09:57:00 - [62] I agree... this sux bigly CCP please feel free to fix it anytime soonÖ Noo sig comming SOONÖ =================================================== What are we going to do about all this ignorance and apathy?.... I don't know and I don't care!
Cristian Rosseman	Posted - 2004.07.26 10:03:00 - [63] Originally by: Pa1nbringr hes retarded.... just ignore him kinda agreed on that ;) on the other side i wouldn't say no to some help from the sentry guns hehe - Ascendancy Inc - - Corp Fun Level .
Cristian Rosseman	Posted - 2004.07.26 10:03:00 - [64] Originally by: Pa1nbringr hes retarded.... just ignore him kinda agreed on that ;) on the other side i wouldn't say no to some help from the sentry guns hehe - Ascendancy Inc - - Corp Fun Level .
Dezzyb0y	Posted - 2004.07.26 10:52:00 - [65] Originally by: Cardassius Originally by: Cidar Thats just wrong, just because your an outlaw (-5.0) your not allowed to defend yourself! That's why most of the time crime doesn't pay ;) Imo if you have such a low sec rating it's just your own fault. There have been times when -5.0 guys weren't even delt with in .5+ space so well..you got lucky then.. unlucky now ;) Just run when somebody shoots you ;) If you can muahaha.. Dude go back and read the first post and just stfu if you think that fightsing fair is having no way for the target to shoot back without getting wtfpwnd by the guns then meet me at a planet and i'll show u a fair fight. Obviously i wont be able to go to the station or gate afterwards cause ITS ALL GHEY! ----------------------- K4rls 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Republic Fleet Testing Facilities, wrecking for 1395.9 damage
Dezzyb0y	Posted - 2004.07.26 10:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Cardassius Originally by: Cidar Thats just wrong, just because your an outlaw (-5.0) your not allowed to defend yourself! That's why most of the time crime doesn't pay ;) Imo if you have such a low sec rating it's just your own fault. There have been times when -5.0 guys weren't even delt with in .5+ space so well..you got lucky then.. unlucky now ;) Just run when somebody shoots you ;) If you can muahaha.. Dude go back and read the first post and just stfu if you think that fightsing fair is having no way for the target to shoot back without getting wtfpwnd by the guns then meet me at a planet and i'll show u a fair fight. Obviously i wont be able to go to the station or gate afterwards cause ITS ALL GHEY! ----------------------- K4rls 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Republic Fleet Testing Facilities, wrecking for 1395.9 damage
Cmdr Sp0ck	Posted - 2004.07.26 11:21:00 - [67] Some of you people have to learn to leave your flamethrowers at home @ Digital Agree with you mate, it's not fair. According to a few people it's a bug. Try petitioning. But you already know what to do @ Dave10 Whenever you fire at someone, be it an agression or in self defense, the gates won't let you jump. Even in 0.0 space that happens. This had to do with a problem where people would initiate attacks then jump through the gates to run away. Now what happens is that you are stuck in the system for a few minutes instead. So if your are attacked by a superior force and shoot back at a gate, you may be signing your untimely end. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You humans are extremely irritant with your illogical behaviour and irrational thought" --------
Cmdr Sp0ck	Posted - 2004.07.26 11:21:00 - [68] Some of you people have to learn to leave your flamethrowers at home @ Digital Agree with you mate, it's not fair. According to a few people it's a bug. Try petitioning. But you already know what to do @ Dave10 Whenever you fire at someone, be it an agression or in self defense, the gates won't let you jump. Even in 0.0 space that happens. This had to do with a problem where people would initiate attacks then jump through the gates to run away. Now what happens is that you are stuck in the system for a few minutes instead. So if your are attacked by a superior force and shoot back at a gate, you may be signing your untimely end. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You humans are extremely irritant with your illogical behaviour and irrational thought" --------
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.26 11:38:00 - [69] lol, petition.. as if, I wasn't scrambled or anything when I found out about this neat bug, so I just warped out glad to hear its a bug, and Cardassius, mark my words.. you're gonna be a pirate one day, then eat your own words _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.26 11:38:00 - [70] lol, petition.. as if, I wasn't scrambled or anything when I found out about this neat bug, so I just warped out glad to hear its a bug, and Cardassius, mark my words.. you're gonna be a pirate one day, then eat your own words _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
geffen	Posted - 2004.07.26 12:36:00 - [71] Patch 1254 to 1352 addresses bug fixes and improvements * Faction police now always attack people who enter their solarsystems with less than -5.0 faction standing, before the faction standings they attacked at varied based on security level.
geffen	Posted - 2004.07.26 12:36:00 - [72] Patch 1254 to 1352 addresses bug fixes and improvements * Faction police now always attack people who enter their solarsystems with less than -5.0 faction standing, before the faction standings they attacked at varied based on security level.
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.07.26 12:38:00 - [73] Quote: * Faction police now always attack people who enter their solarsystems with less than -5.0 faction standing, before the faction standings they attacked at varied based on security level. whats that got to do with this thread. "Teh lord of Nonni"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.07.26 12:38:00 - [74] Quote: * Faction police now always attack people who enter their solarsystems with less than -5.0 faction standing, before the faction standings they attacked at varied based on security level. whats that got to do with this thread. "Teh lord of Nonni"
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.07.26 13:17:00 - [75] Yet another instance of people not knowing wtf is happening....
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.07.26 13:17:00 - [76] Yet another instance of people not knowing wtf is happening....
Yrkoon	Posted - 2004.07.26 13:26:00 - [77] was this sentry behaviour bug fixed in the DT today?
Yrkoon	Posted - 2004.07.26 13:26:00 - [78] was this sentry behaviour bug fixed in the DT today?
Kretin Arnon	Posted - 2004.07.26 13:41:00 - [79] The sentry gun changes have also made the Blood Raider sentry guns behave rather "funny". They still don't care if you open fire on another player and get criminally flagged close to them. But if you warp to them with a flag, they'll blast you away. The same thing happens if you dock and launch from the station with a flag.
Kretin Arnon	Posted - 2004.07.26 13:41:00 - [80] The sentry gun changes have also made the Blood Raider sentry guns behave rather "funny". They still don't care if you open fire on another player and get criminally flagged close to them. But if you warp to them with a flag, they'll blast you away. The same thing happens if you dock and launch from the station with a flag.
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.07.26 13:58:00 - [81] CCP Ppppplese stop provide the Sentrys with Acid!! They see what they want to see! Saw all thoose faces in a secflash ...totally on acid thoose guns! -out- ********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.07.26 13:58:00 - [82] CCP Ppppplese stop provide the Sentrys with Acid!! They see what they want to see! Saw all thoose faces in a secflash ...totally on acid thoose guns! -out- ********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
banrocc	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:40:00 - [83] Edited by: banrocc on 26/07/2004 17:46:54 This has happend to me also.its crap.... I wasnt the agresser so why they damm well attack me? Yes im an outlaw but if the flagging system is this way why bother having any weapons in empire???? They could at least let us know when they are going to bugger the game up i mean we only pay to play........ Get the damm lagg sorted and the bugs before buggering it up more
banrocc	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:40:00 - [84] Edited by: banrocc on 26/07/2004 17:46:54 This has happend to me also.its crap.... I wasnt the agresser so why they damm well attack me? Yes im an outlaw but if the flagging system is this way why bother having any weapons in empire???? They could at least let us know when they are going to bugger the game up i mean we only pay to play........ Get the damm lagg sorted and the bugs before buggering it up more
PainBall	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:48:00 - [85] Edited by: PainBall on 26/07/2004 17:50:27 well well , another step to to a better carebear mining sim ccp!. and btw all that stuff on the cd holster "become the most nefarious pirate ever to terrorize the galaxy" should be removed since that is obviously not what you want people to do since all you do is Nerf pirates and quite frankly this is a plain fraud
PainBall	Posted - 2004.07.26 17:48:00 - [86] Edited by: PainBall on 26/07/2004 17:50:27 well well , another step to to a better carebear mining sim ccp!. and btw all that stuff on the cd holster "become the most nefarious pirate ever to terrorize the galaxy" should be removed since that is obviously not what you want people to do since all you do is Nerf pirates and quite frankly this is a plain fraud
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:01:00 - [87] Originally by: Viceroy booo! fix it! i wish someone would fix viceroy
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:01:00 - [88] Originally by: Viceroy booo! fix it! i wish someone would fix viceroy
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:09:00 - [89] i want to shag a senty gun sometime... oooooh ... aaaaah .... yeah BABY and Come with the thunda, that ill stop em shooting for a while
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.07.26 18:09:00 - [90] i want to shag a senty gun sometime... oooooh ... aaaaah .... yeah BABY and Come with the thunda, that ill stop em shooting for a while
Jacque Sparrow	Posted - 2004.07.27 01:00:00 - [91] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Sentries now recognize criminally flagged players, so you cant go near a sentry or jump out after you shoot someone in a belt like before. BUT what they failed to mention is that now if you are -5.0 or under, and someone shoots you, you CANNOT defend yourself in return. Before you could shoot back in self defense, now if you so much as open fire, you get flagged and shot up by sentries, AND the guy who opened fire on you. Personally, I think thats bull, and negates any chance of pvp if the guy is just gonna redock or jump, but you know.. I'm sure some wiseass will come on here telling me how its all smart and fair and totally thought out. Have fun, and keep this ninja-stealth-change in mind So your sec rating is -5.0 or lower which means you are KOS and you want the sentry's to protect you ? LMAO
Jacque Sparrow	Posted - 2004.07.27 01:00:00 - [92] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Sentries now recognize criminally flagged players, so you cant go near a sentry or jump out after you shoot someone in a belt like before. BUT what they failed to mention is that now if you are -5.0 or under, and someone shoots you, you CANNOT defend yourself in return. Before you could shoot back in self defense, now if you so much as open fire, you get flagged and shot up by sentries, AND the guy who opened fire on you. Personally, I think thats bull, and negates any chance of pvp if the guy is just gonna redock or jump, but you know.. I'm sure some wiseass will come on here telling me how its all smart and fair and totally thought out. Have fun, and keep this ninja-stealth-change in mind So your sec rating is -5.0 or lower which means you are KOS and you want the sentry's to protect you ? LMAO
Fragm	Posted - 2004.07.27 01:42:00 - [93] This is another bug in the world of eve I am sick of them turning this game into care bear city. i was just attacked by 2 ppl in bb's i returned fire using drones and torps downed 1 of then the other warped i got out with 22% structure thanks 2 sen guns. if they are going to make any changes 2 the game they should reset everyones sec back to 0.0 so we get a choice if we want 2 continue 2 gank or not. CCP BE WARNED! YOU ARE TURNING INTO Earth nd Beyond no 2.. or do they want less pvpers around because the upgraded the servers with 286 computers???????????? Cao Cao > Alright well I checked the logs, and I got wtfpwned, I admit I was wrong, nice kill guys OK i made a post Flame away
Fragm	Posted - 2004.07.27 01:42:00 - [94] This is another bug in the world of eve I am sick of them turning this game into care bear city. i was just attacked by 2 ppl in bb's i returned fire using drones and torps downed 1 of then the other warped i got out with 22% structure thanks 2 sen guns. if they are going to make any changes 2 the game they should reset everyones sec back to 0.0 so we get a choice if we want 2 continue 2 gank or not. CCP BE WARNED! YOU ARE TURNING INTO Earth nd Beyond no 2.. or do they want less pvpers around because the upgraded the servers with 286 computers???????????? Cao Cao > Alright well I checked the logs, and I got wtfpwned, I admit I was wrong, nice kill guys OK i made a post Flame away
Alindyar	Posted - 2004.07.27 02:20:00 - [95] heres the living proof of this BS idea from ccp to make u totaly harmless in the sight of sentry guns. [ 2004.07.22 23:44:01 ] (notify) Warping to Stargate (Litiura) [ 2004.07.22 23:45:07 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Starcarrier [TPCC] lightly hits you, doing 10.6 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:08 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:09 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:11 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:12 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] barely misses you. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:13 ] (notify) Alindyar: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:14 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Frigate, "Starcarrier [TPCC]". [ 2004.07.22 23:45:14 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Starcarrier [TPCC] lightly hits you, doing 11.2 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:15 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Sentry Gun I hits you, doing 171.7 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:16 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] lands a hit on you which glances off, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Sentry Gun II aims well at you, inflicting 279.1 damage. and that was the end of my crow....
Alindyar	Posted - 2004.07.27 02:20:00 - [96] heres the living proof of this BS idea from ccp to make u totaly harmless in the sight of sentry guns. [ 2004.07.22 23:44:01 ] (notify) Warping to Stargate (Litiura) [ 2004.07.22 23:45:07 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Starcarrier [TPCC] lightly hits you, doing 10.6 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:08 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:09 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:11 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:12 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] barely misses you. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:13 ] (notify) Alindyar: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:14 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Frigate, "Starcarrier [TPCC]". [ 2004.07.22 23:45:14 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Starcarrier [TPCC] lightly hits you, doing 11.2 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:15 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Sentry Gun I hits you, doing 171.7 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:16 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] lands a hit on you which glances off, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Sentry Gun II aims well at you, inflicting 279.1 damage. and that was the end of my crow....
Chaz Pounder	Posted - 2004.07.27 11:27:00 - [97] Edited by: Chaz Pounder on 27/07/2004 11:30:12 Originally by: Alindyar heres the living proof of this BS idea from ccp to make u totaly harmless in the sight of sentry guns. [ 2004.07.22 23:44:01 ] (notify) Warping to Stargate (Litiura) [ 2004.07.22 23:45:07 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Starcarrier [TPCC] lightly hits you, doing 10.6 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:08 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:09 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:11 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:12 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] barely misses you. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:13 ] (notify) Alindyar: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:14 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Frigate, "Starcarrier [TPCC]". [ 2004.07.22 23:45:14 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Starcarrier [TPCC] lightly hits you, doing 11.2 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:15 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Sentry Gun I hits you, doing 171.7 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:16 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] lands a hit on you which glances off, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Sentry Gun II aims well at you, inflicting 279.1 damage. and that was the end of my crow.... Most ppl know about this bug and using it as legal, but I guess CCP wont send out a mess about its a exploit.. I mean serius 2 friggits can take out a scorp by only using webs and worpys and just sit back see the senterys doing the jobb for em. hint -The "evil doers" is under threat of extermination in EVE- Call international HOT-LINE 555-ccpdontreallycareaslongasthaygettheremonthlypayche
Chaz Pounder	Posted - 2004.07.27 11:27:00 - [98] Edited by: Chaz Pounder on 27/07/2004 11:30:12 Originally by: Alindyar heres the living proof of this BS idea from ccp to make u totaly harmless in the sight of sentry guns. [ 2004.07.22 23:44:01 ] (notify) Warping to Stargate (Litiura) [ 2004.07.22 23:45:07 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Starcarrier [TPCC] lightly hits you, doing 10.6 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:08 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:09 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:11 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] misses you completely. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:12 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] barely misses you. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:13 ] (notify) Alindyar: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:14 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Frigate, "Starcarrier [TPCC]". [ 2004.07.22 23:45:14 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Starcarrier [TPCC] lightly hits you, doing 11.2 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:15 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Sentry Gun I hits you, doing 171.7 damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:16 ] (combat) Starcarrier [TPCC] lands a hit on you which glances off, causing no real damage. [ 2004.07.22 23:45:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Sentry Gun II aims well at you, inflicting 279.1 damage. and that was the end of my crow.... Most ppl know about this bug and using it as legal, but I guess CCP wont send out a mess about its a exploit.. I mean serius 2 friggits can take out a scorp by only using webs and worpys and just sit back see the senterys doing the jobb for em. hint -The "evil doers" is under threat of extermination in EVE- Call international HOT-LINE 555-ccpdontreallycareaslongasthaygettheremonthlypayche
Chaz Pounder	Posted - 2004.07.27 11:27:00 - [99] Edited by: Chaz Pounder on 27/07/2004 11:29:15 dubbel post ops hint -The "evil doers" is under threat of extermination in EVE- Call international HOT-LINE 555-ccpdontreallycareaslongasthaygettheremonthlypayche
Chaz Pounder	Posted - 2004.07.27 11:27:00 - [100] Edited by: Chaz Pounder on 27/07/2004 11:29:15 dubbel post ops hint -The "evil doers" is under threat of extermination in EVE- Call international HOT-LINE 555-ccpdontreallycareaslongasthaygettheremonthlypayche
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.27 11:43:00 - [101] Originally by: Jacque Sparrow Originally by: DigitalCommunist Sentries now recognize criminally flagged players, so you cant go near a sentry or jump out after you shoot someone in a belt like before. BUT what they failed to mention is that now if you are -5.0 or under, and someone shoots you, you CANNOT defend yourself in return. Before you could shoot back in self defense, now if you so much as open fire, you get flagged and shot up by sentries, AND the guy who opened fire on you. Personally, I think thats bull, and negates any chance of pvp if the guy is just gonna redock or jump, but you know.. I'm sure some wiseass will come on here telling me how its all smart and fair and totally thought out. Have fun, and keep this ninja-stealth-change in mind So your sec rating is -5.0 or lower which means you are KOS and you want the sentry's to protect you ? LMAO Hi, please strangle yourself with your keyboard cable. Thanks. Nowhere did I say the sentries should protect me, I just said I should be able to protect myself. See, its not the reading part you lack, its the comprehension. BTW, aren't you that guy who sent me an evemail saying you would "have my corpse" because I was "in your target reticle" or something similarily **? _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf*
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.27 11:43:00 - [102] Originally by: Jacque Sparrow Originally by: DigitalCommunist Sentries now recognize criminally flagged players, so you cant go near a sentry or jump out after you shoot someone in a belt like before. BUT what they failed to mention is that now if you are -5.0 or under, and someone shoots you, you CANNOT defend yourself in return. Before you could shoot back in self defense, now if you so much as open fire, you get flagged and shot up by sentries, AND the guy who opened fire on you. Personally, I think thats bull, and negates any chance of pvp if the guy is just gonna redock or jump, but you know.. I'm sure some wiseass will come on here telling me how its all smart and fair and totally thought out. Have fun, and keep this ninja-stealth-change in mind So your sec rating is -5.0 or lower which means you are KOS and you want the sentry's to protect you ? LMAO Hi, please strangle yourself with your keyboard cable. Thanks. Nowhere did I say the sentries should protect me, I just said I should be able to protect myself. See, its not the reading part you lack, its the comprehension. BTW, aren't you that guy who sent me an evemail saying you would "have my corpse" because I was "in your target reticle" or something similarily **? _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf*
Lexus666	Posted - 2004.07.27 12:13:00 - [103] Well into the 3rd page and no official response (or even acknowledgement) from a Dev., polaris(ISD whatever) or GM which is VERY VERY BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE. Does this mean the can't/won't fix this anytime soon? The idea that you can always shoot back at some idiot that fires on you first in Empire is fundimental to a game like this. Also, like my dear friend Digital, who can be attacked absolutely anywhere by anyone, they have a right to fight back! Sort this out CCP or just turn every 0.1 to 0.9 into 1.0 and have done with it and we can all quit and go play sims online (which will have about the same appeal!) Rant over. As you were.....
Lexus666	Posted - 2004.07.27 12:13:00 - [104] Well into the 3rd page and no official response (or even acknowledgement) from a Dev., polaris(ISD whatever) or GM which is VERY VERY BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE. Does this mean the can't/won't fix this anytime soon? The idea that you can always shoot back at some idiot that fires on you first in Empire is fundimental to a game like this. Also, like my dear friend Digital, who can be attacked absolutely anywhere by anyone, they have a right to fight back! Sort this out CCP or just turn every 0.1 to 0.9 into 1.0 and have done with it and we can all quit and go play sims online (which will have about the same appeal!) Rant over. As you were.....
Alindyar	Posted - 2004.07.27 12:24:00 - [105] Originally by: Lexus666 Well into the 3rd page and no official response (or even acknowledgement) from a Dev., polaris(ISD whatever) or GM which is VERY VERY BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE. Does this mean the can't/won't fix this anytime soon? The idea that you can always shoot back at some idiot that fires on you first in Empire is fundimental to a game like this. Also, like my dear friend Digital, who can be attacked absolutely anywhere by anyone, they have a right to fight back! Sort this out CCP or just turn every 0.1 to 0.9 into 1.0 and have done with it and we can all quit and go play sims online (which will have about the same appeal!) Rant over. As you were..... i couldn't agree more, this all makes me very sick........... maybe it is indeed time to find another game to play......... CCP Don't be a @$%#.........
Alindyar	Posted - 2004.07.27 12:24:00 - [106] Originally by: Lexus666 Well into the 3rd page and no official response (or even acknowledgement) from a Dev., polaris(ISD whatever) or GM which is VERY VERY BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE. Does this mean the can't/won't fix this anytime soon? The idea that you can always shoot back at some idiot that fires on you first in Empire is fundimental to a game like this. Also, like my dear friend Digital, who can be attacked absolutely anywhere by anyone, they have a right to fight back! Sort this out CCP or just turn every 0.1 to 0.9 into 1.0 and have done with it and we can all quit and go play sims online (which will have about the same appeal!) Rant over. As you were..... i couldn't agree more, this all makes me very sick........... maybe it is indeed time to find another game to play......... CCP Don't be a @$%#.........
Secretia	Posted - 2004.07.27 13:42:00 - [107] Quote: So your sec rating is -5.0 or lower which means you are KOS and you want the sentry's to protect you ? LMAO I think the point is that he wants the sentry guns to leave him alone to defend himself. Love lost, fire at will Dum-dum bullets and shoot to kill, I hear Dive, bombers, and Empire Down
Secretia	Posted - 2004.07.27 13:42:00 - [108] Quote: So your sec rating is -5.0 or lower which means you are KOS and you want the sentry's to protect you ? LMAO I think the point is that he wants the sentry guns to leave him alone to defend himself. Love lost, fire at will Dum-dum bullets and shoot to kill, I hear Dive, bombers, and Empire Down
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 14:15:00 - [109] Just stay out of empire space. You gave up the privilege to enter empire space long ago by your actions. So, to be blunt, you don't belong there and the sentries are just telling you to get lost.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 14:15:00 - [110] Just stay out of empire space. You gave up the privilege to enter empire space long ago by your actions. So, to be blunt, you don't belong there and the sentries are just telling you to get lost.
muggle	Posted - 2004.07.27 14:37:00 - [111] Come on CCP fix this. ItÆs bad enough that I canÆt help my corp mates when there attacked without getting hit by the sentry guns. Then you make it so we canÆt even defend ourselves? Tell us this is a bug and when itÆs fixed! IÆm so sick of having to find out all your changes out on my own. You canÆt even shoot at a gang mate without being flagged now, if youÆre an under -5 outlaw. If youÆre just doing away with being an outlaw let me know now so I can cancel my account. To all you carebears who think being a pirate is easy try it sometime. .04 to .01 under systems arenÆt suppose to be safe. My ship is red due to the christmas lights installed.
muggle	Posted - 2004.07.27 14:37:00 - [112] Come on CCP fix this. ItÆs bad enough that I canÆt help my corp mates when there attacked without getting hit by the sentry guns. Then you make it so we canÆt even defend ourselves? Tell us this is a bug and when itÆs fixed! IÆm so sick of having to find out all your changes out on my own. You canÆt even shoot at a gang mate without being flagged now, if youÆre an under -5 outlaw. If youÆre just doing away with being an outlaw let me know now so I can cancel my account. To all you carebears who think being a pirate is easy try it sometime. .04 to .01 under systems arenÆt suppose to be safe. My ship is red due to the christmas lights installed.
Rasta Rocketman	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:09:00 - [113] Originally by: Attrael Just stay out of empire space. You gave up the privilege to enter empire space long ago by your actions. So, to be blunt, you don't belong there and the sentries are just telling you to get lost. Like Bobgehngiskhan was saying in another post, if this is the case, and we aren't supposed to enter or operate in empire space, then why is it that people with high sec status can go down to the npc pirate bases, shoot their ships, mine their ore, and then dock in the safety of their stations? _______________________________________________ "I spilled spot remover on my dog....now he's gone." -Steven Wright
Rasta Rocketman	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:09:00 - [114] Originally by: Attrael Just stay out of empire space. You gave up the privilege to enter empire space long ago by your actions. So, to be blunt, you don't belong there and the sentries are just telling you to get lost. Like Bobgehngiskhan was saying in another post, if this is the case, and we aren't supposed to enter or operate in empire space, then why is it that people with high sec status can go down to the npc pirate bases, shoot their ships, mine their ore, and then dock in the safety of their stations? _______________________________________________ "I spilled spot remover on my dog....now he's gone." -Steven Wright
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:22:00 - [115] Originally by: muggle Come on CCP fix this. ItÆs bad enough that I canÆt help my corp mates when there attacked without getting hit by the sentry guns. Then you make it so we canÆt even defend ourselves? Tell us this is a bug and when itÆs fixed! IÆm so sick of having to find out all your changes out on my own. You canÆt even shoot at a gang mate without being flagged now, if youÆre an under -5 outlaw. If youÆre just doing away with being an outlaw let me know now so I can cancel my account. To all you carebears who think being a pirate is easy try it sometime. .04 to .01 under systems arenÆt suppose to be safe. Let's just put it in historical perspective. I was around during the time of the beta and shortly after the game went live, griefing occurred in Empire, which is the reason that the nerfs were put in to place. Zombies chaining CONCORD, my gawd So there were four progressive changes made to nerf the danger level in Empire. And people have been complaining ever since about the Carebears. Of course .1-.4 is supposed to be dangerous, but it's not supposed to be suicide. And presently, it is suicide for a newb in 0.0. (As it is supposed to be). But that just means taht .1-.4 should be between the safety of Empire and the risk of deep space. I imagine it must chap you raw to know that there are other people who are out there today, griefing in 0.0 space, but keeping their high security raiting. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:22:00 - [116] Originally by: muggle Come on CCP fix this. ItÆs bad enough that I canÆt help my corp mates when there attacked without getting hit by the sentry guns. Then you make it so we canÆt even defend ourselves? Tell us this is a bug and when itÆs fixed! IÆm so sick of having to find out all your changes out on my own. You canÆt even shoot at a gang mate without being flagged now, if youÆre an under -5 outlaw. If youÆre just doing away with being an outlaw let me know now so I can cancel my account. To all you carebears who think being a pirate is easy try it sometime. .04 to .01 under systems arenÆt suppose to be safe. Let's just put it in historical perspective. I was around during the time of the beta and shortly after the game went live, griefing occurred in Empire, which is the reason that the nerfs were put in to place. Zombies chaining CONCORD, my gawd So there were four progressive changes made to nerf the danger level in Empire. And people have been complaining ever since about the Carebears. Of course .1-.4 is supposed to be dangerous, but it's not supposed to be suicide. And presently, it is suicide for a newb in 0.0. (As it is supposed to be). But that just means taht .1-.4 should be between the safety of Empire and the risk of deep space. I imagine it must chap you raw to know that there are other people who are out there today, griefing in 0.0 space, but keeping their high security raiting. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:24:00 - [117] Originally by: Rasta Rocketman Originally by: Attrael Just stay out of empire space. You gave up the privilege to enter empire space long ago by your actions. So, to be blunt, you don't belong there and the sentries are just telling you to get lost. Like Bobgehngiskhan was saying in another post, if this is the case, and we aren't supposed to enter or operate in empire space, then why is it that people with high sec status can go down to the npc pirate bases, shoot their ships, mine their ore, and then dock in the safety of their stations? As I said in that other thread, I agree with Bob. Pirate space should be available where Pirates get special treatment. It makes sense for RP reasons, and gives Pirates something to balance against CONCORD protected space. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:24:00 - [118] Originally by: Rasta Rocketman Originally by: Attrael Just stay out of empire space. You gave up the privilege to enter empire space long ago by your actions. So, to be blunt, you don't belong there and the sentries are just telling you to get lost. Like Bobgehngiskhan was saying in another post, if this is the case, and we aren't supposed to enter or operate in empire space, then why is it that people with high sec status can go down to the npc pirate bases, shoot their ships, mine their ore, and then dock in the safety of their stations? As I said in that other thread, I agree with Bob. Pirate space should be available where Pirates get special treatment. It makes sense for RP reasons, and gives Pirates something to balance against CONCORD protected space. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:25:00 - [119] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 27/07/2004 17:29:58 Sorry, you're misquoting me here. I don't want any special treatment in 0.0, I just a game where the rules are applied equally across the board, and where the devs pay attention to the fact that all players want to have fun, and regardless of how much fun a few of you may be having watching us anguish in boredom, it's lame I don't want anything handed to me by NPCs as a pirate, but I dont want to be forced to stare at my screen bored as **** everytime I futilly scramble an 8 warp core armageddon. Just as I'm sure you wouldn't want to required to wait 20 minutes every time upon arriving at a station with your ore
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:25:00 - [120] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 27/07/2004 17:29:58 Sorry, you're misquoting me here. I don't want any special treatment in 0.0, I just a game where the rules are applied equally across the board, and where the devs pay attention to the fact that all players want to have fun, and regardless of how much fun a few of you may be having watching us anguish in boredom, it's lame I don't want anything handed to me by NPCs as a pirate, but I dont want to be forced to stare at my screen bored as **** everytime I futilly scramble an 8 warp core armageddon. Just as I'm sure you wouldn't want to required to wait 20 minutes every time upon arriving at a station with your ore
Lexus666	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:26:00 - [121] Originally by: Attrael Just stay out of empire space. You gave up the privilege to enter empire space long ago by your actions. So, to be blunt, you don't belong there and the sentries are just telling you to get lost. That keyboard thing you use like such a retard, please throw it away!
Lexus666	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:26:00 - [122] Originally by: Attrael Just stay out of empire space. You gave up the privilege to enter empire space long ago by your actions. So, to be blunt, you don't belong there and the sentries are just telling you to get lost. That keyboard thing you use like such a retard, please throw it away!
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:38:00 - [123] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan . . . ...and regardless of how much fun a few of you may be having watching us anguish in boredom, it's lame . . . Do carebears get to use that excuse when you pwn them without cause? "regardless of how much fun a few of you [pirates] may be abing watching us anguish [at our unprovoked death], it's lame." I agree it's unbalanced, let's leave it at that. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:38:00 - [124] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan . . . ...and regardless of how much fun a few of you may be having watching us anguish in boredom, it's lame . . . Do carebears get to use that excuse when you pwn them without cause? "regardless of how much fun a few of you [pirates] may be abing watching us anguish [at our unprovoked death], it's lame." I agree it's unbalanced, let's leave it at that. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:40:00 - [125] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 27/07/2004 17:42:56 There's a huge difference between a game mechanic to prevent players from moving, and actual competition between people in my mind Vs players you have a chance, vs the system all you can do is stare blankly and get mad You can bring escorts to fight pirates, you can watch your routes, you can do many things, but sentries always hit, and they do a lot of damage But yeah, I suppose I set myself up for that one.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:40:00 - [126] Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 27/07/2004 17:42:56 There's a huge difference between a game mechanic to prevent players from moving, and actual competition between people in my mind Vs players you have a chance, vs the system all you can do is stare blankly and get mad You can bring escorts to fight pirates, you can watch your routes, you can do many things, but sentries always hit, and they do a lot of damage But yeah, I suppose I set myself up for that one.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:41:00 - [127] Originally by: Lexus666 That keyboard thing you use like such a retard, please throw it away! Silence peasant! You weren't given permission to speak, worm! Poor noob. I almost pity him.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 17:41:00 - [128] Originally by: Lexus666 That keyboard thing you use like such a retard, please throw it away! Silence peasant! You weren't given permission to speak, worm! Poor noob. I almost pity him.
Lexus666	Posted - 2004.07.27 18:23:00 - [129] Originally by: Attrael Originally by: Lexus666 That keyboard thing you use like such a retard, please throw it away! Silence peasant! You weren't given permission to speak, worm! Poor noob. I almost pity him. Wonderful comeback, but seriously who the hell are you and unless you have anything constructive to say, STFU and keep off the forums! As for me being a n00b...Don't think so, you're nowhere near half the player I am. But I bet you beat me hands down at Veldspar mining and general f4ggotry! Hava a nice day now y'hear.
Lexus666	Posted - 2004.07.27 18:23:00 - [130] Originally by: Attrael Originally by: Lexus666 That keyboard thing you use like such a retard, please throw it away! Silence peasant! You weren't given permission to speak, worm! Poor noob. I almost pity him. Wonderful comeback, but seriously who the hell are you and unless you have anything constructive to say, STFU and keep off the forums! As for me being a n00b...Don't think so, you're nowhere near half the player I am. But I bet you beat me hands down at Veldspar mining and general f4ggotry! Hava a nice day now y'hear.
Strider oTO	Posted - 2004.07.27 19:04:00 - [131] Edited by: Strider oTO on 27/07/2004 19:07:22 I think the best and only solution to the problem is to have reactions of NPC ships/stations/sentrys to be based on your standing with the individual groups. For example, I am minmatar and i decide to start attacking certain Amarrian ships, I will start to get a negative sec rating. Instead, they should only give me a negative sec with Amarr itself. So anytime I decide to head into amarrian space, I am free game for Amarr security and sentry guns. Back in Minmatar space, or any other space for that matter, why should they care? THere's no alliances right? So there is no reason for the guns to shoot me unless I make an agressive act against the group who's space i am currently in. This solves the problems with docking at certain stations too. You have a bad sec with a certain group, you cant enter their station. NPC or player character should be treated the same. And negative sec should only be applied if you strike someone first within 0.5 sec or higher space. .4 and lower should be free space.
Strider oTO	Posted - 2004.07.27 19:04:00 - [132] Edited by: Strider oTO on 27/07/2004 19:07:22 I think the best and only solution to the problem is to have reactions of NPC ships/stations/sentrys to be based on your standing with the individual groups. For example, I am minmatar and i decide to start attacking certain Amarrian ships, I will start to get a negative sec rating. Instead, they should only give me a negative sec with Amarr itself. So anytime I decide to head into amarrian space, I am free game for Amarr security and sentry guns. Back in Minmatar space, or any other space for that matter, why should they care? THere's no alliances right? So there is no reason for the guns to shoot me unless I make an agressive act against the group who's space i am currently in. This solves the problems with docking at certain stations too. You have a bad sec with a certain group, you cant enter their station. NPC or player character should be treated the same. And negative sec should only be applied if you strike someone first within 0.5 sec or higher space. .4 and lower should be free space.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 19:17:00 - [133] Originally by: Lexus666 Wonderful comeback, but seriously who the hell are you and unless you have anything constructive to say, STFU and keep off the forums! As for me being a n00b...Don't think so, you're nowhere near half the player I am. But I bet you beat me hands down at Veldspar mining and general f4ggotry! Hava a nice day now y'hear. Awwww... dids I upset da poor widdle noobee? I'm sowwy widdle noobee. I won't make you cwy any more, widdle noobee.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 19:17:00 - [134] Originally by: Lexus666 Wonderful comeback, but seriously who the hell are you and unless you have anything constructive to say, STFU and keep off the forums! As for me being a n00b...Don't think so, you're nowhere near half the player I am. But I bet you beat me hands down at Veldspar mining and general f4ggotry! Hava a nice day now y'hear. Awwww... dids I upset da poor widdle noobee? I'm sowwy widdle noobee. I won't make you cwy any more, widdle noobee.
Tanador	Posted - 2004.07.27 19:24:00 - [135] Originally by: Lexus666 Originally by: Attrael Originally by: Lexus666 That keyboard thing you use like such a retard, please throw it away! Silence peasant! You weren't given permission to speak, worm! Poor noob. I almost pity him. As for me being a n00b...Don't think so, you're nowhere near half the player I am. But I bet you beat me hands down at Veldspar mining and general f4ggotry! Its comments like this from the 1% that gives the other 99% of mOo a bad rep to alot of people. Why dont you think about someone or something other than yourself when posting, please.
Tanador	Posted - 2004.07.27 19:24:00 - [136] Originally by: Lexus666 Originally by: Attrael Originally by: Lexus666 That keyboard thing you use like such a retard, please throw it away! Silence peasant! You weren't given permission to speak, worm! Poor noob. I almost pity him. As for me being a n00b...Don't think so, you're nowhere near half the player I am. But I bet you beat me hands down at Veldspar mining and general f4ggotry! Its comments like this from the 1% that gives the other 99% of mOo a bad rep to alot of people. Why dont you think about someone or something other than yourself when posting, please.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 19:36:00 - [137] What rest of mOo? Word is, they broke up long ago and are but a shadow of their former selves with just a few stragglers left behind.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 19:36:00 - [138] What rest of mOo? Word is, they broke up long ago and are but a shadow of their former selves with just a few stragglers left behind.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.27 19:50:00 - [139] Originally by: Attrael What rest of mOo? Word is, they broke up long ago and are but a shadow of their former selves with just a few stragglers left behind. Omg, 73 members, as compared with <25 before, with pretty much all the original players playing, even Gauss. Yeah, "word is" your IQ never reached double digits. Please keep your idiotic remarks out of my thread. Personally I'd like to hear a response from Oveur or something in a blog on the role of pirates in empire. At least I can trust him not to carebear the whole thing. You guys think its so great now that you have basically 0.1 to 1.0 all to yourselves, oh man, just you wait. One day you're gonna grow wee lil balls, and decide to come out to 0.0 and put up your lil POS tent for a campout in the wilderness. Except, by then CCP have made NPC Pirate stations refuse your dock, since you have POS. You've lost the ability to safespot due to black ops. You've lost the ability to see whats on the map.. Heh heh, now you're in our turf baby. And boy, we'll make sure your next dozen clones still feel the pain of having a control tower shoved up where the sun don't shine. YARGH _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.27 19:50:00 - [140] Originally by: Attrael What rest of mOo? Word is, they broke up long ago and are but a shadow of their former selves with just a few stragglers left behind. Omg, 73 members, as compared with <25 before, with pretty much all the original players playing, even Gauss. Yeah, "word is" your IQ never reached double digits. Please keep your idiotic remarks out of my thread. Personally I'd like to hear a response from Oveur or something in a blog on the role of pirates in empire. At least I can trust him not to carebear the whole thing. You guys think its so great now that you have basically 0.1 to 1.0 all to yourselves, oh man, just you wait. One day you're gonna grow wee lil balls, and decide to come out to 0.0 and put up your lil POS tent for a campout in the wilderness. Except, by then CCP have made NPC Pirate stations refuse your dock, since you have POS. You've lost the ability to safespot due to black ops. You've lost the ability to see whats on the map.. Heh heh, now you're in our turf baby. And boy, we'll make sure your next dozen clones still feel the pain of having a control tower shoved up where the sun don't shine. YARGH _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:01:00 - [141] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Omg, 73 members, as compared with <25 before, with pretty much all the original players playing, even Gauss. Having 70 inactive members doesn't count sh1t-for-brains. And in case you aren't intelligent enough to figure it out, 'inactive' means players and their alts that don't log in any more. Originally by: DigitalCommunist Yeah, "word is" your IQ never reached double digits. Please keep your idiotic remarks out of my thread. Personally I'd like to hear a response from Oveur or something in a blog on the role of pirates in empire. At least I can trust him not to carebear the whole thing. You guys think its so great now that you have basically 0.1 to 1.0 all to yourselves, oh man, just you wait. One day you're gonna grow wee lil balls, and decide to come out to 0.0 and put up your lil POS tent for a campout in the wilderness. And 'word is' that you're the corp pu$$y, so I'd watch my mouth if I were you, lest you wind up getting hurt. I just hate having to waste ammo on helpless noobs, so it's in both our interests if you shut up, unplug your keyboard, and pour coffee into the back of your PC. Originally by: DigitalCommunist Except, by then CCP have made NPC Pirate stations refuse your dock, since you have POS. You've lost the ability to safespot due to black ops. You've lost the ability to see whats on the map.. Heh heh, now you're in our turf baby. And boy, we'll make sure your next dozen clones still feel the pain of having a control tower shoved up where the sun don't shine. YARGH So... Stop giving your great grandfather a bl0wjob and bring it on, pu$$y!
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:01:00 - [142] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Omg, 73 members, as compared with <25 before, with pretty much all the original players playing, even Gauss. Having 70 inactive members doesn't count sh1t-for-brains. And in case you aren't intelligent enough to figure it out, 'inactive' means players and their alts that don't log in any more. Originally by: DigitalCommunist Yeah, "word is" your IQ never reached double digits. Please keep your idiotic remarks out of my thread. Personally I'd like to hear a response from Oveur or something in a blog on the role of pirates in empire. At least I can trust him not to carebear the whole thing. You guys think its so great now that you have basically 0.1 to 1.0 all to yourselves, oh man, just you wait. One day you're gonna grow wee lil balls, and decide to come out to 0.0 and put up your lil POS tent for a campout in the wilderness. And 'word is' that you're the corp pu$$y, so I'd watch my mouth if I were you, lest you wind up getting hurt. I just hate having to waste ammo on helpless noobs, so it's in both our interests if you shut up, unplug your keyboard, and pour coffee into the back of your PC. Originally by: DigitalCommunist Except, by then CCP have made NPC Pirate stations refuse your dock, since you have POS. You've lost the ability to safespot due to black ops. You've lost the ability to see whats on the map.. Heh heh, now you're in our turf baby. And boy, we'll make sure your next dozen clones still feel the pain of having a control tower shoved up where the sun don't shine. YARGH So... Stop giving your great grandfather a bl0wjob and bring it on, pu$$y!
muggle	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:25:00 - [143] Originally by: Percivs Originally by: muggle Come on CCP fix this. ItÆs bad enough that I canÆt help my corp mates when there attacked without getting hit by the sentry guns. Then you make it so we canÆt even defend ourselves? Tell us this is a bug and when itÆs fixed! IÆm so sick of having to find out all your changes out on my own. You canÆt even shoot at a gang mate without being flagged now, if youÆre an under -5 outlaw. If youÆre just doing away with being an outlaw let me know now so I can cancel my account. To all you carebears who think being a pirate is easy try it sometime. .04 to .01 under systems arenÆt suppose to be safe. Let's just put it in historical perspective. I was around during the time of the beta and shortly after the game went live, griefing occurred in Empire, which is the reason that the nerfs were put in to place. Zombies chaining CONCORD, my gawd So there were four progressive changes made to nerf the danger level in Empire. And people have been complaining ever since about the Carebears. Of course .1-.4 is supposed to be dangerous, but it's not supposed to be suicide. And presently, it is suicide for a newb in 0.0. (As it is supposed to be). But that just means taht .1-.4 should be between the safety of Empire and the risk of deep space. I imagine it must chap you raw to know that there are other people who are out there today, griefing in 0.0 space, but keeping their high security raiting. No I love my low security status. They should make it where you get a security status hit in 0.0 for killing someone. Then all you in the closet pirates would have to come out. My ship is red due to the christmas lights installed.
muggle	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:25:00 - [144] Originally by: Percivs Originally by: muggle Come on CCP fix this. ItÆs bad enough that I canÆt help my corp mates when there attacked without getting hit by the sentry guns. Then you make it so we canÆt even defend ourselves? Tell us this is a bug and when itÆs fixed! IÆm so sick of having to find out all your changes out on my own. You canÆt even shoot at a gang mate without being flagged now, if youÆre an under -5 outlaw. If youÆre just doing away with being an outlaw let me know now so I can cancel my account. To all you carebears who think being a pirate is easy try it sometime. .04 to .01 under systems arenÆt suppose to be safe. Let's just put it in historical perspective. I was around during the time of the beta and shortly after the game went live, griefing occurred in Empire, which is the reason that the nerfs were put in to place. Zombies chaining CONCORD, my gawd So there were four progressive changes made to nerf the danger level in Empire. And people have been complaining ever since about the Carebears. Of course .1-.4 is supposed to be dangerous, but it's not supposed to be suicide. And presently, it is suicide for a newb in 0.0. (As it is supposed to be). But that just means taht .1-.4 should be between the safety of Empire and the risk of deep space. I imagine it must chap you raw to know that there are other people who are out there today, griefing in 0.0 space, but keeping their high security raiting. No I love my low security status. They should make it where you get a security status hit in 0.0 for killing someone. Then all you in the closet pirates would have to come out. My ship is red due to the christmas lights installed.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:29:00 - [145] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan . . . Vs players you have a chance, vs the system all you can do is stare blankly and get mad . . . Well, truth be told, not everyone has a chance. I am uber n00b at PvP presently. So, for me, all I can do "is stare blankly and get mad." I get to learn a lot about Insurance though and cloning though. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:29:00 - [146] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan . . . Vs players you have a chance, vs the system all you can do is stare blankly and get mad . . . Well, truth be told, not everyone has a chance. I am uber n00b at PvP presently. So, for me, all I can do "is stare blankly and get mad." I get to learn a lot about Insurance though and cloning though. --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:31:00 - [147] Originally by: Attrael . . . Having 70 inactive members doesn't count sh1t-for-brains. And in case you aren't intelligent enough to figure it out, 'inactive' means players and their alts that don't log in any more. . . . Someone needs a spanking from the mods --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:31:00 - [148] Originally by: Attrael . . . Having 70 inactive members doesn't count sh1t-for-brains. And in case you aren't intelligent enough to figure it out, 'inactive' means players and their alts that don't log in any more. . . . Someone needs a spanking from the mods --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:32:00 - [149] Originally by: muggle . . . No I love my low security status. They should make it where you get a security status hit in 0.0 for killing someone. Then all you in the closet pirates would have to come out. Hell ya I agree with you /me laughs at self humor --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
Percivs	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:32:00 - [150] Originally by: muggle . . . No I love my low security status. They should make it where you get a security status hit in 0.0 for killing someone. Then all you in the closet pirates would have to come out. Hell ya I agree with you /me laughs at self humor --- "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field" - A.E.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:50:00 - [151] Originally by: Attrael Originally by: DigitalCommunist Omg, 73 members, as compared with <25 before, with pretty much all the original players playing, even Gauss. Having 70 inactive members doesn't count sh1t-for-brains. And in case you aren't intelligent enough to figure it out, 'inactive' means players and their alts that don't log in any more. Originally by: DigitalCommunist Yeah, "word is" your IQ never reached double digits. Please keep your idiotic remarks out of my thread. Personally I'd like to hear a response from Oveur or something in a blog on the role of pirates in empire. At least I can trust him not to carebear the whole thing. You guys think its so great now that you have basically 0.1 to 1.0 all to yourselves, oh man, just you wait. One day you're gonna grow wee lil balls, and decide to come out to 0.0 and put up your lil POS tent for a campout in the wilderness. And 'word is' that you're the corp pu$$y, so I'd watch my mouth if I were you, lest you wind up getting hurt. I just hate having to waste ammo on helpless noobs, so it's in both our interests if you shut up, unplug your keyboard, and pour coffee into the back of your PC. Originally by: DigitalCommunist Except, by then CCP have made NPC Pirate stations refuse your dock, since you have POS. You've lost the ability to safespot due to black ops. You've lost the ability to see whats on the map.. Heh heh, now you're in our turf baby. And boy, we'll make sure your next dozen clones still feel the pain of having a control tower shoved up where the sun don't shine. YARGH So... Stop giving your great grandfather a bl0wjob and bring it on, pu$$y! Wow, you being in an alt manufacturing corp would know all about who is active and how many alts we have, kudos to you.. As for your other moronic comments, pure trolling. Considering your corp description I wouldn't be too surprised if you were just some disgruntled PA lackey. I'd be quiet if I were you, lest we "bring it on" again. Keep the thread on topic _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.07.27 20:50:00 - [152] Originally by: Attrael Originally by: DigitalCommunist Omg, 73 members, as compared with <25 before, with pretty much all the original players playing, even Gauss. Having 70 inactive members doesn't count sh1t-for-brains. And in case you aren't intelligent enough to figure it out, 'inactive' means players and their alts that don't log in any more. Originally by: DigitalCommunist Yeah, "word is" your IQ never reached double digits. Please keep your idiotic remarks out of my thread. Personally I'd like to hear a response from Oveur or something in a blog on the role of pirates in empire. At least I can trust him not to carebear the whole thing. You guys think its so great now that you have basically 0.1 to 1.0 all to yourselves, oh man, just you wait. One day you're gonna grow wee lil balls, and decide to come out to 0.0 and put up your lil POS tent for a campout in the wilderness. And 'word is' that you're the corp pu$$y, so I'd watch my mouth if I were you, lest you wind up getting hurt. I just hate having to waste ammo on helpless noobs, so it's in both our interests if you shut up, unplug your keyboard, and pour coffee into the back of your PC. Originally by: DigitalCommunist Except, by then CCP have made NPC Pirate stations refuse your dock, since you have POS. You've lost the ability to safespot due to black ops. You've lost the ability to see whats on the map.. Heh heh, now you're in our turf baby. And boy, we'll make sure your next dozen clones still feel the pain of having a control tower shoved up where the sun don't shine. YARGH So... Stop giving your great grandfather a bl0wjob and bring it on, pu$$y! Wow, you being in an alt manufacturing corp would know all about who is active and how many alts we have, kudos to you.. As for your other moronic comments, pure trolling. Considering your corp description I wouldn't be too surprised if you were just some disgruntled PA lackey. I'd be quiet if I were you, lest we "bring it on" again. Keep the thread on topic _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Joe Blob	Posted - 2004.07.27 21:04:00 - [153] For all those who think these changes are great First CCP came for the Pirates, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasnÆt a Pirate. Then they came for the Manufacturers, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasnÆt a Manufacturer. Then they came for the Mission Runners, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasn't a Mission Runner. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. Adaptation of poem by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945. It will happen this way, and you will be sorry.
Joe Blob	Posted - 2004.07.27 21:04:00 - [154] For all those who think these changes are great First CCP came for the Pirates, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasnÆt a Pirate. Then they came for the Manufacturers, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasnÆt a Manufacturer. Then they came for the Mission Runners, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasn't a Mission Runner. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. Adaptation of poem by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945. It will happen this way, and you will be sorry.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 21:18:00 - [155] Originally by: Percivs Someone needs a spanking from the mods Heh, the mods are my servants, silly!
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 21:18:00 - [156] Originally by: Percivs Someone needs a spanking from the mods Heh, the mods are my servants, silly!
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 21:19:00 - [157] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Wow, you being in an alt manufacturing corp would know all about who is active and how many alts we have, kudos to you.. As for your other moronic comments, pure trolling. Considering your corp description I wouldn't be too surprised if you were just some disgruntled PA lackey. I'd be quiet if I were you, lest we "bring it on" again. Keep the thread on topic R O F L ! ! !
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 21:19:00 - [158] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Wow, you being in an alt manufacturing corp would know all about who is active and how many alts we have, kudos to you.. As for your other moronic comments, pure trolling. Considering your corp description I wouldn't be too surprised if you were just some disgruntled PA lackey. I'd be quiet if I were you, lest we "bring it on" again. Keep the thread on topic R O F L ! ! !
Crylon	Posted - 2004.07.27 21:43:00 - [159] Attrael.. terminate your worthless existence without further delay, you victim of mis-prescribed medication.
Crylon	Posted - 2004.07.27 21:43:00 - [160] Attrael.. terminate your worthless existence without further delay, you victim of mis-prescribed medication.
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 21:45:00 - [161] Originally by: Crylon Attrael.. terminate your worthless existence without further delay, you victim of mis-prescribed medication. LOL! That's actually funny! I'll have to remember that one for use in future posting!
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.27 21:45:00 - [162] Originally by: Crylon Attrael.. terminate your worthless existence without further delay, you victim of mis-prescribed medication. LOL! That's actually funny! I'll have to remember that one for use in future posting!
Claus	Posted - 2004.07.27 23:27:00 - [163] Sounds logical -- -5 is fair game -- firing on one never makes u flagged -- firing on the guy firing on you will. In short, it is part of playing the ebil character. ------------- You have to go out of your mind from time to time to stay sane.
Claus	Posted - 2004.07.27 23:27:00 - [164] Sounds logical -- -5 is fair game -- firing on one never makes u flagged -- firing on the guy firing on you will. In short, it is part of playing the ebil character. ------------- You have to go out of your mind from time to time to stay sane.
Claus	Posted - 2004.07.27 23:33:00 - [165] Edited by: Claus on 27/07/2004 23:34:49 Originally by: Joe Blob For all those who think these changes are great First CCP came for the Pirates, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasnÆt a Pirate. Then they came for the Manufacturers, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasnÆt a Manufacturer. Then they came for the Mission Runners, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasn't a Mission Runner. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. Adaptation of poem by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945. It will happen this way, and you will be sorry. First they came for the pirates and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a pirate Then they came for the griefers and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a griefer Then they came for the scammers and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a scammer In short, I don't speak out as my playing the game is not focused on ruining other people's gameplay (except stopping them ruining mine). ------------- You have to go out of your mind from time to time to stay sane.
Claus	Posted - 2004.07.27 23:33:00 - [166] Edited by: Claus on 27/07/2004 23:34:49 Originally by: Joe Blob For all those who think these changes are great First CCP came for the Pirates, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasnÆt a Pirate. Then they came for the Manufacturers, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasnÆt a Manufacturer. Then they came for the Mission Runners, and I didnÆt speak up, because I wasn't a Mission Runner. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. Adaptation of poem by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945. It will happen this way, and you will be sorry. First they came for the pirates and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a pirate Then they came for the griefers and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a griefer Then they came for the scammers and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a scammer In short, I don't speak out as my playing the game is not focused on ruining other people's gameplay (except stopping them ruining mine). ------------- You have to go out of your mind from time to time to stay sane.
Oveur	Posted - 2004.07.28 13:42:00 - [167] It's a bug, being reproduced and will get fixed. You should always be able to respond to aggression no matter how or you are. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
Oveur	Posted - 2004.07.28 13:42:00 - [168] It's a bug, being reproduced and will get fixed. You should always be able to respond to aggression no matter how or you are. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
muggle	Posted - 2004.07.28 13:56:00 - [169] Edited by: muggle on 28/07/2004 13:57:39 Originally by: Oveur It's a bug, being reproduced and will get fixed. You should always be able to respond to aggression no matter how or you are. Thanks for posting Oveur! My ship is red due to the christmas lights installed.
muggle	Posted - 2004.07.28 13:56:00 - [170] Edited by: muggle on 28/07/2004 13:57:39 Originally by: Oveur It's a bug, being reproduced and will get fixed. You should always be able to respond to aggression no matter how or you are. Thanks for posting Oveur! My ship is red due to the christmas lights installed.
EvilDoomer	Posted - 2004.07.28 18:46:00 - [171] Originally by: Miss Take Yep. seen it myself and it blows. CCP please fix this, if it is meant to be a feature then its crap. Signed... This is bull **. You shoot me first I should beable to return fire and kill you. If not this is bull and should be reversed. Imagine! you in a mall I shoot you. You have gun. you return fire. and the cops kill you. GMAFB!!!!! thats Stupid and dumb. Comeon programmers get real its bad enought that ever gate in eve has cops in it. And every place now in empire space has cops. Where is the freedom and chance to have fun. your creating the perfect you cannot shoot anyone world. Not realistic and never going to be fun. Thanks EvilDoomer Chicago Mobsters Ghost Fleet Pilot **
EvilDoomer	Posted - 2004.07.28 18:46:00 - [172] Originally by: Miss Take Yep. seen it myself and it blows. CCP please fix this, if it is meant to be a feature then its crap. Signed... This is bull **. You shoot me first I should beable to return fire and kill you. If not this is bull and should be reversed. Imagine! you in a mall I shoot you. You have gun. you return fire. and the cops kill you. GMAFB!!!!! thats Stupid and dumb. Comeon programmers get real its bad enought that ever gate in eve has cops in it. And every place now in empire space has cops. Where is the freedom and chance to have fun. your creating the perfect you cannot shoot anyone world. Not realistic and never going to be fun. Thanks EvilDoomer Chicago Mobsters Ghost Fleet Pilot **
W1rlW1nd	Posted - 2004.07.28 22:54:00 - [173] Originally by: EvilDoomer Originally by: Miss Take Yep. seen it myself and it blows. CCP please fix this, if it is meant to be a feature then its crap. Signed... This is bull ****. You shoot me first I should beable to return fire and kill you. If not this is bull and should be reversed. Imagine! you in a mall I shoot you. You have gun. you return fire. and the cops kill you. GMAFB!!!!! thats Stupid and dumb. Comeon programmers get real its bad enought that ever gate in eve has cops in it. And every place now in empire space has cops. Where is the freedom and chance to have fun. your creating the perfect you cannot shoot anyone world. Not realistic and never going to be fun. oveur answered already, read above your post- it's a bug thankfully.
W1rlW1nd	Posted - 2004.07.28 22:54:00 - [174] Originally by: EvilDoomer Originally by: Miss Take Yep. seen it myself and it blows. CCP please fix this, if it is meant to be a feature then its crap. Signed... This is bull ****. You shoot me first I should beable to return fire and kill you. If not this is bull and should be reversed. Imagine! you in a mall I shoot you. You have gun. you return fire. and the cops kill you. GMAFB!!!!! thats Stupid and dumb. Comeon programmers get real its bad enought that ever gate in eve has cops in it. And every place now in empire space has cops. Where is the freedom and chance to have fun. your creating the perfect you cannot shoot anyone world. Not realistic and never going to be fun. oveur answered already, read above your post- it's a bug thankfully.
Sinist	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:54:00 - [175] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Sentries now recognize criminally flagged players, so you cant go near a sentry or jump out after you shoot someone in a belt like before. BUT what they failed to mention is that now if you are -5.0 or under, and someone shoots you, you CANNOT defend yourself in return. Before you could shoot back in self defense, now if you so much as open fire, you get flagged and shot up by sentries, AND the guy who opened fire on you. Personally, I think thats bull, and negates any chance of pvp if the guy is just gonna redock or jump, but you know.. I'm sure some wiseass will come on here telling me how its all smart and fair and totally thought out. Have fun, and keep this ninja-stealth-change in mind Why do the pirates think they are entitled over and over and over and over and over and over and over again to be able to fly in empire space? When you choose the life of a pirate you have to adapt and deal. Just like the non pirates have to adapt by not shooting anyone unprovoked. Deal with it and end this pitiful pirate woe is me.
Sinist	Posted - 2004.07.28 23:54:00 - [176] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Sentries now recognize criminally flagged players, so you cant go near a sentry or jump out after you shoot someone in a belt like before. BUT what they failed to mention is that now if you are -5.0 or under, and someone shoots you, you CANNOT defend yourself in return. Before you could shoot back in self defense, now if you so much as open fire, you get flagged and shot up by sentries, AND the guy who opened fire on you. Personally, I think thats bull, and negates any chance of pvp if the guy is just gonna redock or jump, but you know.. I'm sure some wiseass will come on here telling me how its all smart and fair and totally thought out. Have fun, and keep this ninja-stealth-change in mind Why do the pirates think they are entitled over and over and over and over and over and over and over again to be able to fly in empire space? When you choose the life of a pirate you have to adapt and deal. Just like the non pirates have to adapt by not shooting anyone unprovoked. Deal with it and end this pitiful pirate woe is me.
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.29 03:55:00 - [177] alot of very reasonable things was said in this thread Pirates should have half subscription the thread was locked by Eris Discordia of ISD and although i feel that locking the thread due to a few imature peoble are wrong i know i can do nothing about that anyway there is some real good sugestions in that threads and some real good points atleast this sentry thingy is a bug however that does not change the fact that Players with a negative sec rating towards (for instanse) Serpentis can still use their stations this makes no sense what so ever anyway read the posts in there and quote what peoble say there and make your opinion here Mongo peck said Urm I think we need to stop talking about "us and them" .... after all yesterdays carebear, could be todays ganker. Criminal flagging was designed to "hopefully" allow people to repay an unprovoked attack (ship, cargo can etc etc). The problem with the "NEW" sentry upgrades is that it is forcing the people you want to hunt to sit at safe spots totally out of reach. This upsets the attackers due to the fact he / she has to sit around for 15-20 mins but it also upsets the hunters due to the fact that most criminal flagged people are now "out of their reach" sitting in safe spots. There a lots of good suggestions in this thread but the solution installed by CCP is not one of them. If someone shots at me / my can I want to be able to hunt them down and not watch them vanish while they wait for a timer to expire.. Just my two cents thats a real good point to me atleast especiallyt the us and them part I have said it before try playing E&B or ask someone how good that game was this was a game that did not allow ANY type of PvP is that really what we want from EVE Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
Paw Sandberg	Posted - 2004.07.29 03:55:00 - [178] alot of very reasonable things was said in this thread Pirates should have half subscription the thread was locked by Eris Discordia of ISD and although i feel that locking the thread due to a few imature peoble are wrong i know i can do nothing about that anyway there is some real good sugestions in that threads and some real good points atleast this sentry thingy is a bug however that does not change the fact that Players with a negative sec rating towards (for instanse) Serpentis can still use their stations this makes no sense what so ever anyway read the posts in there and quote what peoble say there and make your opinion here Mongo peck said Urm I think we need to stop talking about "us and them" .... after all yesterdays carebear, could be todays ganker. Criminal flagging was designed to "hopefully" allow people to repay an unprovoked attack (ship, cargo can etc etc). The problem with the "NEW" sentry upgrades is that it is forcing the people you want to hunt to sit at safe spots totally out of reach. This upsets the attackers due to the fact he / she has to sit around for 15-20 mins but it also upsets the hunters due to the fact that most criminal flagged people are now "out of their reach" sitting in safe spots. There a lots of good suggestions in this thread but the solution installed by CCP is not one of them. If someone shots at me / my can I want to be able to hunt them down and not watch them vanish while they wait for a timer to expire.. Just my two cents thats a real good point to me atleast especiallyt the us and them part I have said it before try playing E&B or ask someone how good that game was this was a game that did not allow ANY type of PvP is that really what we want from EVE Thank You Paw Sandberg for all your BPC needs see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1

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