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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.11 19:42:00 -
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comedy gold ITT
Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
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7shining7one7
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.11 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 11/01/2009 19:48:16
Originally by: Richard D. Feynman "The scientist has a lot of experience with ignorance and doubt and uncertainty, and this experience is of very great importance, I think. When a scientist doesnÆt know the answer to a problem, he is ignorant. When he has a hunch as to what the result is, he is uncertain. And when he is pretty damn sure of what the result is going to be, he is still in some doubt. We have found it of paramount importance that in order to progress, we must recognize our ignorance and leave room for doubt. Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty ù some most unsure, some nearly sure, but none absolutely certain. Now, we scientists are used to this, and we take it for granted that it is perfectly consistent to be unsure, that it is possible to live and not know. But I donÆt know whether everyone realizes this is true. Our freedom to doubt was born out of a struggle against authority in the early days of science. It was a very deep and strong struggle: permit us to question ù to doubt ù to not be sure. I think that it is important that we do not forget this struggle and thus perhaps lose what we have gained."
nothing is certain anything goes and must be considered, disregarding factors separates the truth from itself..
what i've done is perfectly consistent with that.. i did highlight it but you're probably gonna ask anyways regardless so i'll just drag it out here too..
"and we take it for granted that it is perfectly consistent to be unsure, that it is possible to live and not know. But I donÆt know whether everyone realizes this is true."
whereas you guys are sure about everything and ignore anything you can't prove immediately (totally contradicting the aforementioned) i instead present my oppinions and perspectives.. and leaves the proof and discoveries to whomever finds them, and it sure won't be any of you guys.
"Our freedom to doubt was born out of a struggle against authority in the early days of science. It was a very deep and strong struggle: permit us to question ù to doubt ù to not be sure. I think that it is important that we do not forget this struggle and thus perhaps lose what we have gained."
and that's exactly what you two have done.. akita with his blind arrogance and his "oh i was right before so i'm allways right in the future" attitude.. and the other aerospace guy with his self proclaimed intellectual ************ in order to defeat someone in an argument, which is totally unrelated to the pursuit of truth..
you lost your head guys and you know it, however smart you think you are.. in your arrogance and self centeredness you became blind..
sry guys.. game over.
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7shining7one7
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.11 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz comedy gold ITT
yes you are indeed quite funny.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.11 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 11/01/2009 19:53:45
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 11/01/2009 19:23:12
Yeah. Precisely that. Explain to us what you understand from that quote. My distilled understanding of that quote is presented in bullet-point format at the bottom of post #9 in this thread.
Quote: * always disbelieve everything by default, only believe something after it's proven (within reasonable margins of error) * always assume you are right about something you already believe, unless proven wrong ; try to prove what you believe to be right in case of diverging opinions * always discard your old opinions which were proven to be wrong in favor of those proven to be right (or at least better) * treat new information in a skeptic manner (if it can't be trusted to be accurate/correct, it matters a lot less, but everything matters to some degree) * constantly reassess your own opinion based on any new piece of information you come across even if nobody tries to prove you wrong (be your own critic)
What's yours ?
That is basically how I interpret it also.
I missed that post earlier in the thread.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.11 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: Sokratesz comedy gold ITT
yes you are indeed quite funny.
You're playing it quite well. Any normal troll would have gotten bored already but you keep persisting. I've already dismissed the option that you are genuine because that would require a stupidity that would in itself tear the fabric of space and time. |
7shining7one7
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.11 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: Sokratesz comedy gold ITT
yes you are indeed quite funny.
You're playing it quite well. Any normal troll would have gotten bored already but you keep persisting. I've already dismissed the option that you are genuine because that would require a stupidity that would in itself tear the fabric of space and time.
your imagination is fascinating, hows the wyvern? |
Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.01.11 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz You're playing it quite well. Any normal troll would have gotten bored already but you keep persisting. I've already dismissed the option that you are genuine because that would require a stupidity that would in itself tear the fabric of space and time.
I don't know, I think he's honest (at least as honest as a fraud like him can be). I've seen plenty of people who really are that stupid, and I don't think a troll could have the endurance to keep posting so much of his utter nonsense. Even the best troll would slip up and put a coherent sentence in there somewhere.
As for you, 7shining7one7, do you even know who Richard Feynman IS, or are you just picking quotes that you think will make you sound intelligent? The fact that you quote Feynman to justify your pseudo-scientific bull**** is just priceless irony. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.01.11 19:59:00 -
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Great, thanks. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.11 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 11/01/2009 20:09:43
Originally by: Sera Ryskin The fact that you quote Feynman to justify your pseudo-scientific bull**** is just priceless irony.
Here's a hint: Feynman had no more patience that I do for frauds and stupidity. He was a scientist, and that quote is intended to be about scientific argument. I have no doubt that Feynman would, if presented with compelling evidence, change his mind.
I just want to point out that I posted that first, and that I in no way posted it in support of 7shining.
I also agree with your perception of how Feynman would feel about this discussion EDIT: and the other thread.
Slade
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.11 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7 nothing is certain anything goes and must be considered, disregarding factors separates the truth from itself..
I see you skipped the part about "recognizing ignorance", and you are confusing the opposite ends of the spectrum between denial and certainty (absolute ends of which can never be touched).
Quote: what i've done is perfectly consistent with that.. i did highlight it but you're probably gonna ask anyways regardless so i'll just drag it out here too.. "and we take it for granted that it is perfectly consistent to be unsure, that it is possible to live and not know. But I don’t know whether everyone realizes this is true."
That doesn't mean one should not make the effort to discern between fact and fiction, and it certainly doesn't mean that every possible hypothesis has an equal value of probablity.
Quote: whereas you guys are sure about everything and ignore anything you can't prove immediately (totally contradicting the aforementioned) i instead present my oppinions and perspectives.. and leaves the proof and discoveries to whomever finds them, and it sure won't be any of you guys.
Now, we are presenting our opinions as "the best current theory that fits all the existing known facts". That is, a theory that doesn't contradict anything observed but is also the simplest possible, making the least unproved assumptions (and absolutely no unprovable assumptions - if any unproved assumptions are presented, a method to prove them has to be first elaborated before hypothesis becomes theory/knowledge). That doesn't mean we AUTOMATICALLY discard as wrong any presented opinion - but we do ask for PROOF when faced with an UNLIKELY opinion that contradicts established knowledge.
Quote: "Our freedom to doubt was born out of a struggle against authority in the early days of science. It was a very deep and strong struggle: permit us to question — to doubt — to not be sure. I think that it is important that we do not forget this struggle and thus perhaps lose what we have gained." and that's exactly what you two have done.. akita with his blind arrogance and his "oh i was right before so i'm allways right in the future" attitude.. and the other guy with his self proclaimed intellectual mastu(r)bation in order to defeat someone in an argument, he just likes to hear himself speak, and probably likes to stand in the mirror whilst touching himself.. which is all fine and well, but it is however totally unrelated to the pursuit of truth..
We do allow you to question anything you want. At the same time, that "questioning" NEEDS to be backed up by any shred of EVIDENCE or have a way of proving/disproving that novel idea. If you can not produce either evidence nor logical inference to support your idea, that's nothing but FICTION at this stage. Yes, you could possibly be right, but the possibility of you being right is infinitesimal, and the BURDEN OF PROOF is on you, not on the rest of the world.
Quote: you lost your heads guys and you know it, however smart you think you are.. in your arrogance and self centeredness you became blind.. sry guys.. game over.
Says the man who failed to make a single coherent logical point so far...
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.11 20:41:00 -
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Your ugly wife didn't win then?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.11 20:58:00 -
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I do not know wether 7shining7one7 is married or not
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7shining7one7
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.11 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 11/01/2009 21:12:20
Originally by: Akita T I do not know wether 7shining7one7 is married or not
oh i thought he was talking about you.. |
baltec1
R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.11 21:14:00 -
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The Irony is strong in this thread. |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.11 22:58:00 -
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i dont understand why people are always dealing with absolutes. Its possible to just not know. You dont need 'untrue unless proven true', that's just as stupid as true unless proven untrue.
The problem is people are always wanting to classify and define things. Thats all science is, a marked up piece of clear plastic stretched over all of human experience covered with notes and scribbles and diagrams so that you cant actually just look at whats under it anymore.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.11 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: Sokratesz comedy gold ITT
yes you are indeed quite funny.
You're playing it quite well. Any normal troll would have gotten bored already but you keep persisting. I've already dismissed the option that you are genuine because that would require a stupidity that would in itself tear the fabric of space and time.
Ahah! So you DO admit that consciousness can affect matter!
P W N D ! |
Cierejai
Caldari BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2009.01.11 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: Sokratesz comedy gold ITT
yes you are indeed quite funny.
You're playing it quite well. Any normal troll would have gotten bored already but you keep persisting. I've already dismissed the option that you are genuine because that would require a stupidity that would in itself tear the fabric of space and time.
Ahah! So you DO admit that consciousness can affect matter!
P W N D !
Like if I light something on fire, I am using my consciousness to affect matter?
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Rondo Gunn
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.11 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T ...Yeah, sure, you're free to think your kids are smart...
Kinder and gentler than I.
If your kids are ugly and stupid, I will be sure to let you know. shin ku myo u
Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.12 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 12/01/2009 15:49:40
Originally by: Rondo Gunn
Originally by: Akita T ...Yeah, sure, you're free to think your kids are smart...
[you're] Kinder and gentler than I. If your kids are ugly and stupid, I will be sure to let you know.
Hey, according to 7shining7one7, I'm self-centered, arrogant and don't know what else... therefore you must be the incarnation of evil
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7shining7one7
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.12 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 12/01/2009 15:49:40
Originally by: Rondo Gunn
Originally by: Akita T ...Yeah, sure, you're free to think your kids are smart...
[you're] Kinder and gentler than I. If your kids are ugly and stupid, I will be sure to let you know.
Hey, according to 7shining7one7, I'm self-centered, arrogant and don't know what else... therefore you must be the incarnation of evil
ahem..
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 11/01/2009 19:20:20 Did I ever say I wasn't arrogant nor self-centered ? Are you blind ? OF COURSE I am both arrogant and self-centered, sheesh. You forgot to add easily angered and rude in such an emotional state, competitive and ruthless.
That doesn't automatically make anything I say wrong, however.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.12 17:30:00 -
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Because everything is either 100% white or 100% black, right ?
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T ...is usually zero when they're spouting nonsense.
Just because somebody has an opposing viewpoint doesn't mean we should feel the least bit obligated to respect it without reserve, especially when that viewpoint stems from an acute lack of education, understanding, knowledge or mental acuity. Actually, quite the contrary, it is a major disservice to the human race as a whole just as for the local society and even the particular person with the opposing viewpoint NOT to point out the glaring defficiencies in his logic.
What I'm probably trying to say, Political Correctness as a concept... it's just bullcrap. And trying to not hurt somebody's feelings regardless of why... even moreso.
Yeah, sure, you're free to think your kids are smart or your wife beautiful, and I can respect that since it hurts nobody. But when you let your at-best-mediocre wife attend a beauty pageant then get upset she didn't win, now that I can't be possibly expected to respect, that's just silly. Or worse, when you try to enrol your stupid kids in the same class as the actual smart kids then complain "the education system has a problem", now then we have a serious problem, and all due respect is way, WAY out the window.
Respecting other people's opinions regardless of their quality or veridicity is crap. And people who try to push that particular viewpoint on the issue are worthy of nothing but contempt, if not downright hatered.
I agree. Then again most people on this planet were never worthy of my respect to begin with.
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.01.12 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 12/01/2009 15:49:40
Originally by: Rondo Gunn
Originally by: Akita T ...Yeah, sure, you're free to think your kids are smart...
[you're] Kinder and gentler than I. If your kids are ugly and stupid, I will be sure to let you know.
Hey, according to 7shining7one7, I'm self-centered, arrogant and don't know what else... therefore you must be the incarnation of evil
No, Im the incarnation of evil. Well I will be if I somehow accidentally achieve what I wish for...
You know.... A world government, one currency, one language, chips in your arm that monitor your health, bank information, I.D, location (if your a troublemaker), A Totilitarian society with an economic model based more towards socialism (capitalism with income caps at the low and high levels IE cant make under a set amount, cant make above a set amount, with prices controlled to within a small range to prevent inflation) and the list goes on.
I've been told that with my ideas if I ever run for office and show promise of winning, I'll be assassinated. This coming from friends!
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.12 18:05:00 -
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Once again, Akita T has spun a stick in the hornets nest. |
Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.12 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 12/01/2009 19:08:36
Originally by: Akita T You can be the most respected <insert profession here> in the world, when you present some opinion, it SHOULD be considered by the same standards one would consider a layman's opinion, and vice-versa....
This made me think of THIS article: (Scroll down past "Make a Choice" to "Seeing the Unseen, Part 1" and the "War of the Bumper Stickers" section. If you want to read it from the original page. INCREDIBLE writing.)
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You Can not Simultaneously Prevent and Prepare for War - Albert Einstein.
My first paying job in my life was teaching astronomy at the Miami Space Transit Planetarium. I have been fascinated by the stars and planets for as long as I have had a memory. I bow to no one in my respect and admiration for Albert Einstein's stunning insights into the nature of space and time, matter and energy. That a young Austrian clerk sitting in a Swiss patent office could puzzle out the structure of the Universe using only logic and imagination is in my mind the greatest feat of intelligence in human history.
With that said, why aren't the cosmological theories of George Patton or Dwight Eisenhower ever the subject of bumper stickers? Probably because cosmology is well outside their realm of expertise.
E=mc2 is a statement of such beauty and elegance that it commands belief in an ordered and structured universe. Human nature is not so ordered and structured. Psychology is not as predictable as gravity, and it is a mistake to think that it is. Human beings are subject to Murphy's Laws, not Newton's.
Quoting Einstein is an appeal to authority. But politics is not an area where Einstein is an authority. I give Einstein's opinions on spacetime great weight; his opinions on politics and human nature, not so much. No one holds Einstein up as a great authority on fashion, grooming, family life, football or hairstyling. Why? Because the modern era's greatest mind clearly didn't know diddly-squat about them.
The article goes on, but it begins to get more political from there and I wanted to leave the politics out as much as I could.
Nonetheless, the point is made: Just because you HAVE an opinon on something does NOT make that opinion intrinsically valuable. Even if you are Einstein.
In other words: Opinions are like noses; Everyone's got one.
Of course, that's just my opinion. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Rondo Gunn
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.13 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 12/01/2009 15:49:40
Originally by: Rondo Gunn
Originally by: Akita T ...Yeah, sure, you're free to think your kids are smart...
[you're] Kinder and gentler than I. If your kids are ugly and stupid, I will be sure to let you know.
Hey, according to 7shining7one7, I'm self-centered, arrogant and don't know what else... therefore you must be the incarnation of evil
Hmm, I guess that explains the odd birthmark and the rottweiler that tries to follow me everywhere. shin ku myo u
Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness. |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.13 05:02:00 -
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And this stupid thread continues. This thread is just like the Gaza massacre: he who has the biggest gun is right.
While you're all busy running around like headless chickens trying to 'prove' shining wrong you prove yourselves wrong because you're unable to detach yourselves from your narrow vision of the world. You call him while, in fact, you are all the ignorant ones and ganging up on him won't make you right.
Yesterday some guy mentioned that the only two countries not suffering from economic disaster right now are the UK and Germany. Someone else proved him wrong and got ganged upon by half the forum members and got banned. It's these pathetic kind of tactics that are the cause of many of todays problems and if you think you are right by might then enjoy living in your own little world.
Shining, you have my respect. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper Yesterday some guy mentioned that the only two countries not suffering from economic disaster right now are the UK and Germany. Someone else proved him wrong and got ganged upon by half the forum members and got banned.
You can't be serious... UK is so obviously into deep crap, and Germany doesn't look all that good either, and whoever says otherwise is having a 'shrooms-induced trip or somesuch. I find it hard to believe the majority of this forum would be so stupid as to claim the UK and Germany are unaffected or that they would support somebody who says that, even lacking fresh obvious proof to the contrary.
Link to the thread you mention so that we can all go in and make fun of the people who claim otherwise.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.13 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 13/01/2009 05:32:24
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Super Whopper Yesterday some guy mentioned that the only two countries not suffering from economic disaster right now are the UK and Germany. Someone else proved him wrong and got ganged upon by half the forum members and got banned.
You can't be serious... UK is so obviously into deep crap, and Germany doesn't look all that good either, and whoever says otherwise is having a 'shrooms-induced trip or somesuch. I find it hard to believe the majority of this forum would be so stupid as to claim the UK and Germany are unaffected or that they would support somebody who says that, even lacking fresh obvious proof to the contrary.
Link to the thread you mention so that we can all go in and make fun of the people who claim otherwise.
I can't link the thread, I got IP ban
This is what happened to me when I posted on Channel 4 news forums too. Years ago I posted my view, as a professional, regarding children, SSers (Social Services) and the way the UK had, intentionaly, created generations of children who had grown up in the ghetto/slums/council estates and that I saw the SS as a sort of legitimate form of oppression. I got promptly banned. I realised then that people just don't want to hear the truth.
People need to believe that they live in lala land and if that idea is tarnished in any way shape or form their world comes crumbling down. It is the same with Shining. He has his beliefs and clings to them, for that I respect him. I do think he takes pleasure in being the centre of attention, but then who doesn't? I respect him for his political views which would be classed as 'controvertial' by those who disagree. Though, to be honest, the ramblings in this thread are making me lose some of that respect. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 13/01/2009 16:04:19
Originally by: Super Whopper
Quote: Link to the thread you mention so that we can all go in and make fun of the people who claim otherwise.
I can't link the thread, I got IP ban
Ah, so you mean, NOT on this forum ? Since I can see you posting here without problem. Glad we cleared that up...
Quote: People need to believe that they live in lala land and if that idea is tarnished in any way shape or form their world comes crumbling down. It is the same with Shining. He has his beliefs and clings to them, for that I respect him.
What's there to be respected about somebody who blindly clings to something in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary ? If anything, that's precisely what the greatest problem of the human race is, deep-seated denial, the inability to accept that reality might be different from what you think you know.
Quote: I do think he takes pleasure in being the centre of attention, but then who doesn't? I respect him for his political views which would be classed as 'controvertial' by those who disagree. Though, to be honest, the ramblings in this thread are making me lose some of that respect.
Well, I'm not going to go into discussing his political views (and not just because it's forbidden on this forum, but because it's quite futile to argue politics), but how does that qualify him in any possible way to discuss evolution, for instance, a purely scientific thread he poked in repeatedly partially spouting unsupported "what if" nonsense, alongside a trickle of political view propaganda ?
It would have been a completely different matter if he would have kept the "THEY are lying to you (about science)" (later changed to "they could be lying to you (about science)", and by "they" he means everybody but himself) and the "I could prove it to you but I can't be bothered to" out of it. Sadly (for him), in that case, he wouldn't have had anything to say, I guess
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