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Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:10:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:On a related note I'm just going to say that the new introduction missions are ********.
They give you a gun and a shield booster/armor repper and tell you to equip them. The gun goes on just fine, the tank mod doesn't. You don't have the skill to equip the tank mod, and even if they gave you the skillbook you don't have the prereqs to equip it, nor the money to buy the skillbook.
Great job there guys.
Yea, needs to be a civilian shield booster that requires no skills.
What is that, the 2nd mission a player gets and it's fail. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Arrakasi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:29:00 -
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1. People can't get their head around the idea that your ship is your main avatar.
2. Bad UI.
3. Boring and time consuming PvE content.... and I hesitate to call it content.
4. The game has this "l33t" culture that turns off most gamers.
5. Passive skill progression that is just about misunderstood by everyone, even those who have been playing for years.
6. Lack of physics and control of your ship.. plus it's not exactly responsive.Try double clicking in any direction and see how long it takes for the ship to change course.
7. Griefing, full loot, scamming etc.
8. You never feel that you are "in the fight" even when you are dueling, you feel like an interested observer rather than a participant.
9. The learning "cliff".
10. The game plays better in your head than in reality. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:11:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
No, but fortunately the level of hysteria has dropped to tolerable levels, and more people have been educated on what "Cyber Bullying" actually is.
Quote:What Is Cyberbullying?
Cyberbullying is the use of technology to harass, threaten, embarrass, or target another person. By definition, it occurs among young people.When an adult is involved, it may meet the definition of cyber-harassment or cyber-stalking, a crime that can have legal consequences and involve jail time. yeah TOTALLY has nothing to do with what he did oh wait it IS EXACTLY what he did EVEN JUST WITH THE SLIDES http://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/cyberbullying.html .
you ignored the part after you underlined that still agrees with what I said...
By definition, it occurs among young people.
BUT
When an adult is involved, it may meet the definition of cyber-harassment or cyber-stalking, a crime that can have legal consequences and involve jail time.
By definition, it occurs among young people. BUT when it happens with adults ITS WORSE and can get you JAIL TIME
neat how you thought the statement ended where you liked it... too bad it didnt
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
18
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:22:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:On a related note I'm just going to say that the new introduction missions are ********.
They give you a gun and a shield booster/armor repper and tell you to equip them. The gun goes on just fine, the tank mod doesn't. You don't have the skill to equip the tank mod, and even if they gave you the skillbook you don't have the prereqs to equip it, nor the money to buy the skillbook.
Great job there guys.
I have to agree. I did a buddy account just to try out the new player experience. I was lost, gave up on the idea, transferred some isk. screwed up by picking the wrong ship to focus on, went completely unfocused, passive, active, blasters drones and rockets that need 4's on fitting skills to fit. buddy is about up and toon is just starting to shape up.
Should have bought a rifter. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
126
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:31:00 -
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Dr Silkworth wrote:Ersahi Kir wrote:On a related note I'm just going to say that the new introduction missions are ********.
They give you a gun and a shield booster/armor repper and tell you to equip them. The gun goes on just fine, the tank mod doesn't. You don't have the skill to equip the tank mod, and even if they gave you the skillbook you don't have the prereqs to equip it, nor the money to buy the skillbook.
Great job there guys. I have to agree. I did a buddy account just to try out the new player experience. I was lost, gave up on the idea, transferred some isk. screwed up by picking the wrong ship to focus on, went completely unfocused, passive, active, blasters drones and rockets that need 4's on fitting skills to fit. buddy is about up and toon is just starting to shape up. Should have bought a rifter.
I've done similar things and alot of the elitist, know it all's really need to run a trial account just to see how absolutely unattractive EVE is to anyone who hasn't been here for 5 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
109
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:53:00 -
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Cause eve requirements are too high.
Minimum GÇóOS: Windows-« XP Service Pack 2 / Vista / 7 GÇóCPU: Intel Pentium-« or AMD @ 1,5 Ghz or greater which supports SSE2
GÇóRAM: XP (SP2) GÇô 1 GB / Vista GÇô 1.5 GB GÇóHD space: 20Gb Free Space GÇóNetwork:DSL connection or faster GÇóVideo:ATI X1600 or NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or higher graphics card with 128 MB of Video RAM* which supports Shader Model 3 GÇóDrivers: DirectX-« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers GÇóDVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required. *IQ of atleast 70
Recommended GÇóOS: Windows-« XP Service Pack 2 / Vista / 7 GÇóCPU: Intel Pentium-« or AMD dual core @ 2 Ghz or greater which supports SSE2 GÇóRAM: 2 GB GÇóHD space: 20Gb Free Space GÇóNetwork: ADSL connection or faster GÇóVideo: ATi Radeon 5750 or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 GÇóDrivers: DirectX-« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers GÇóDVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required. *IQ of 130 or greater
I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
418
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:53:00 -
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Mathias Hex wrote: *IQ of 130 or greater
that part
*overclocks brain https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:16:00 -
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Matrix Operator wrote:Can someone explain it to me?
It's very simple.
People have a problem to identify themselves as space ship/capsule. (CCP is well aware of this... WIS) ...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |
Boston Bradley
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:17:00 -
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CCP seems to be lacking in the marketing department. Also, EVE really isn't an "easy" game to pick up and advance in. Training is so time consuming that it really sets a mark between noob and elite. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:22:00 -
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Matrix Operator wrote:Can someone explain it to me?[
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online
watch the video (minus the part where he doesnt join a corp)
Boston Bradley wrote:CCP seems to be lacking in the marketing department. Also, EVE really isn't an "easy" game to pick up and advance in. Training is so time consuming that it really sets a mark between noob and elite.
That and you can NEVER catch up The guy that kills you when youre a noob will still be that much older than you when you get to be his age "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
872
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:48:00 -
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Bully Hedro wrote: The reputation at being a troll invested, griefers club probably has a lot to do with it as well. Just look at the forums. Probably the most poorly moderated prepubescent troll invested game forum in the industry. Gives a clue to what the in-game has in store.
That's a joke, right? Have you read the SWTOR or WoW general forum recently?
(CCP actually runs a pretty tight ship on their forums. The trolls here have to be a bit more creative.) |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:52:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Bully Hedro wrote: The reputation at being a troll invested, griefers club probably has a lot to do with it as well. Just look at the forums. Probably the most poorly moderated prepubescent troll invested game forum in the industry. Gives a clue to what the in-game has in store.
That's a joke, right? Have you read the SWTOR or WoW general forum recently? (CCP actually runs a pretty tight ship on their forums. The trolls here have to be a bit more creative.)
So you admit its a troll infested griefer's club, just not on the forums?
GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
Adacia Calla
The Long Kiss Goodnight Rise Against All
22
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Posted - 2012.04.18 04:29:00 -
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WoW is easy.
EVE is not.
Let's keep if that way please. Test signature....forum not applying settings :( |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6176
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Posted - 2012.04.18 04:32:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:Boston Bradley wrote:CCP seems to be lacking in the marketing department. Also, EVE really isn't an "easy" game to pick up and advance in. Training is so time consuming that it really sets a mark between noob and elite. That and you can NEVER catch up The guy that kills you when youre a noob will still be that much older than you when you get to be his age No. Due to how the skill system and equipment bonuses work, you can always catch up GÇö in fact, it's almost unavoidable GÇö to the point where it's largely an inapplicable concept to EVE.
There is only one thing you can't catch up to is total SP, but as luck would have it, total SP is an almost completely meaningless stat: all it does is decide how much your clone costs. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
418
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Posted - 2012.04.18 04:44:00 -
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Yes but Tippia, once the newbs realize how it looks, all your calculations mean nothing cause to THEM it seems like you cant catch up ever so they leave.
Yes, its stupid, but I dont think theres a way to pre-empt stupidity https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Bane Necran
315
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Posted - 2012.04.18 04:44:00 -
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Jump Gates. |
Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:09:00 -
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Adacia Calla wrote:WoW is easy.
EVE is not.
Let's keep if that way please.
I have no idea where people get that wow is easy, and even more that eve is not.
There are a lot of highly intelligent people that play(ed) wow. To be good, and truly know your class is not easy.
Do not think for one minute that you are superior for playing this game.
I've read more simple minded comments in these forums than I've ever read on blizzards.
My first months playing WOW Dec 2004 have never been matched by any game and probably never will.
You have no clue,
BTW, I did a trial of this game around Oct 2005, and didn't subscribe. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:22:00 -
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I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to do that day in, day out for 6 months untill they get thier SP up. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
490
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:47:00 -
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Inzax wrote:Have a buddy who would LOVE this game and he knows it...thats the problem.
The last time I tried to force EVE on him he told me the last thing he needed was an MMO he loved. It would be all he would do and probably cost him a job or wife. The wife he could live without...the job...not so much.
This is the reason many of my friends turn down EVE- they are afraid they can't handle the addiction.
I'm happy that I can control it. Right? I mean I can quit any time should I want to. I can prove it to you- I won't log in for the next 10 hours!
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Camoran Orlenard
SCA Ventures
0
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:06:00 -
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This is my second try at EVE, so far so good. First time a friend wanted me to come try it out, I was playing freelancer at the time(fun game btw). I figured it would be more like that but I found it very slow and I didn't like the lack of direct flight control so I quit the first time. Lack of info for a new player also wasn't helpful. But this time around I just spent a lot of time reading and getting used to ship control and it's been more enjoyable. Though I still think it would be cool to have freelancers combat system in EVE. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3386
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:40:00 -
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Riddick Liddell wrote:I'm dragging a Dark Blood Seeker behind my ship, aligned to a station. It's been like this for 23 minutes and counting.
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I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to do that day in, day out for 6 months untill they get thier SP up.
If you're not enjoying it, you don't have to do it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Morpheus Mishima
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
9
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:48:00 -
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Because, in every other MMO you play as the hero. In EVE you can't be the hero. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
606
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:50:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: If you're not enjoying it, you don't have to do it.
Problem is, most perspective players in the beginning get so many of those "If you're not enjoying it, you don't have to do it." that they never make it to the paid sub. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.04.18 06:52:00 -
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nvm |
Otrebla Utrigas
Space Bastards
9
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:10:00 -
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Akiyo XI wrote:Matrix Operator wrote:I don't get it. The most beautiful graphics in the industry, a great storyline with great lore, and the lure of space, and Eve only gets 300k subscribers even after 10 tens of work. Some company makes an MMOPG with dancing Elves and ponies and it peaks at 9mil subscribers...
It can't be that wizard/fantasy is more popular than space-sci-fi. Aren't Star Wars and Star Trek proof that space-fiction has the larger following (as opposed to say, Lord of the Rings). And if so, why would 9mil players play with Elves, but only 1/30th of that choose sexy spacegraphics.
I don't get it. Can someone explain it to me? because games are suppose to be FUN some people don't see the fun in doing odd job in high-sec or when someone ganks their brand new battleship or mining barge or paying $15/month for every little complex skill to train as a person from RPS states.... There is a length of spacerope here. >PICK UP ROPE You cannot pick up the rope yet. MISSING SKILLS: -Rope Collection IV -Opposable Thumb Operation V -Crouching Down Specialization II Maybe it is because in my job I have to schedule everything before even start, but I have never find problems fitting equipment in EVE.
I just think about what i want to fit next in my next ship I want to use, I check all the equipments, check the skills needed and if I comply with them. If not, I just set my skill queue in order to comply with them.
So when I have the money to buy all the stuff, the ship AND enough to replace it in case i lose it (remember about not flying anything you cannot afford to lose?) I have the skills needed to use all the equipment.
I prefer to sit in a properly fitted ship 1 month later, than crawl around in a poorly fitted ship just because I rushed the skills to sit on it, but I can fit it.
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Ersteen Hofs
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.18 07:34:00 -
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Matrix Operator wrote:I don't get it. The most beautiful graphics in the industry, a great storyline with great lore, and the lure of space, and Eve only gets 300k subscribers even after 10 tens of work. Some company makes an MMOPG with dancing Elves and ponies and it peaks at 9mil subscribers...
It can't be that wizard/fantasy is more popular than space-sci-fi. Aren't Star Wars and Star Trek proof that space-fiction has the larger following (as opposed to say, Lord of the Rings). And if so, why would 9mil players play with Elves, but only 1/30th of that choose sexy spacegraphics.
I don't get it. Can someone explain it to me? it's not about elves vs space, it's about content. sadly, in eve there is no content for single playing. also most people on earth don't really like pvp, otherwise we'd all be more like klingons.
comparison with star trek is not correct because there is new stuff happening there all the time unlike eve which gets boring and repetitive after a couple of months playing.
i bet if Blizzard would ever make a new MMO in starcraft universe, it'll be as popular as wow even though there would not be any elves there. |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
105
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Posted - 2012.04.18 08:06:00 -
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Hisec griefing sucks.
Lowsec sucks period.
There is no bridge from Hi to Null. You're mostly either in one or the other, and with it being so hard to find a good null corp to join as a Hisec carebear newbie, people stay where they are comfortable.
CCP could do so much to improve the marketability of the game by just doing some basic hand holding with newbs to help them understand the universe in a more meaningful way than those terrible tutorial missions. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Francisco Bizzaro
23
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Posted - 2012.04.18 08:17:00 -
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Ersteen Hofs wrote:comparison with star trek is not correct because there is new stuff happening there all the time unlike eve which gets boring and repetitive after a couple of months playing. Only if you are boring and repetitive.
People coming from other MMOs are poorly trained in this sense. They are used to content being delivered on a platter, and the sandbox notion of using the game mechanics to make your own fun is foreign to them.
Eve's learning curve is not just about the technical details, but also the difference between "theme park" and "sand box" game styles. My impression is that many players (even long-term ones who post on these forums) try to shoe-horn Eve activities into a theme-park play style, and this leads to some frustration.
But the point about missions and mining being boring and repetitive is important. These are the "entry level drugs" of Eve, in that they are the natural analogies to "questing" and gathering crafting resources in other MMOs. They also have the lowest learning curve of all Eve activities, so they are a natural starting point to learn mechanics of ship fitting etc. But after running 4 missions, you quickly learn the routine: ignore wall of text, shoot red crosses, repeat. And within those 4 missions, it's likely the same one will repeat, leading you to wonder little content there actually is. If they can find ways to make these simplest starting activities more genuinely fun, I think they'll have a much better chance of retaining players long enough for them to appreciate the broader aspects of the game.
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Anderron Shi
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2012.04.18 08:23:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:I'm dragging a Dark Blood Seeker behind my ship, aligned to a station. It's been like this for 23 minutes and counting.
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I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to do that day in, day out for 6 months untill they get thier SP up. If you're not enjoying it, you don't have to do it. HAHA, you don't. Just get some friends.
Get some! |
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
100
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Posted - 2012.04.18 08:24:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:There is no bridge from Hi to Null. Try EC-. |
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