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Ben Avery	Posted - 2009.01.13 21:53:00 - [1] Which ship and setup is best for taking out enemy Falcons when you're in a roaming gang My idea is a Vagabond with an ECCM. The idea is to quickly zoom around and take out the Falcons first. Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II ECCM - Ladar II Large Shield Extender II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Energy Neutralizer II Polycarbon Engine Housing I Projectile Ambit Extension I Warrior II x5
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:01:00 - [2] another falcon .... O_O or a arazu ... O_O or a curse :)
Neesa Corrinne Ore Mongers	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:05:00 - [3] The seventh ship.
Mortisha Addams	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Armoured C another falcon .... O_O or a arazu ... O_O or a curse :) this (well certainly the falcon bit).
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:06:00 - [5] AWESOME IDEA! +10 Would read again! Thread of the month! If it weren't for most, if not all, Falcon pilots flying cloaked and whilst it is just my guess, I doubt anyone is going to uncloak unless they know they lock down multiple hostiles. So, my solution to this is to fight Falcons with Falcons!
SeismicForce Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:06:00 - [6] Even with an ECCM on he'll jam you, and a falcon pilot with half a brain would be long gone before you got half way to him.
Ben Avery	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:10:00 - [7] Originally by: SeismicForce Even with an ECCM on he'll jam you, and a falcon pilot with half a brain would be long gone before you got half way to him. How about a specialised Vaga with 2 ECCMs and no LSEs
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Ben Avery Which ship and setup is best for taking out enemy Falcons when you're in a roaming gang Lazorh snipas
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Ben Avery specialised Vaga Say, you don't happen to be Minmatar-specced and this is your idea of becoming useful again? -god made me a cannibal to end problems like you-
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:14:00 - [10] A Glass Cannon Sniper Rokh with ECCM. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Ben Avery Originally by: SeismicForce Even with an ECCM on he'll jam you, and a falcon pilot with half a brain would be long gone before you got half way to him. How about a specialised Vaga with 2 ECCMs and no LSEs Any Falcon pilot under attack by your Vaga will do one of two things: either cloak before you can get a lock on him and run off, or he'll put all of his ECM on you to jam you, THEN he'll cloak and warp off. Two best named ECCM on a Vaga won't put a dent in a Falcon's ECM ability, particularly if he has all 5/6/7 ECM on you. Even if they're racial ECM and not of the appropriate type for your ship, you're going to be jammed. If dual ECCM on a battleship with a base sensor strength of 23 or so doesn't work, then it won't work for a cruiser with a sensor strength of almost half that (14). The best defense against a Falcon is either another Falcon (the best thing) or an Arazu with maxed out range rigs, and hope to god you can get into range to use your damps before you're jammed. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:15:00 - [12] A long-barreled shotgun.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Janu Hull A Glass Cannon Sniper Rokh with ECCM. Because a Falcon's shields aren't kin/therm hardened at all... Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Even if they're racial ECM and not of the appropriate type for your ship, you're going to be jammed. If dual ECCM on a battleship with a base sensor strength of 23 or so doesn't work, then it won't work for a cruiser with a sensor strength of almost half that (14). A dual ECCM BS needs about 5 correct racial jammers on it to reach a 50/50 jam chance ( even a full x7 racial setup whcih happens to match is still "only" about 65% ). Exaggerate much?
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Digital Solaris AWESOME IDEA! +10 Would read again! Thread of the month! If it weren't for most, if not all, Falcon pilots flying cloaked and whilst it is just my guess, I doubt anyone is going to uncloak unless they know they lock down multiple hostiles. So, my solution to this is to fight Falcons with Falcons! Shouldn't you be on SiSi jamming people in FFA1?
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:29:00 - [16] any force recon, lvl5, recon probe launcher and sometimes a specialized scimitar, for the psychological bonus, w/ recon probe launcher but it's still too easily jammable with 2 eccm for the time it takes to deal enough damage
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Any Falcon pilot under attack by your Vaga will do one of two things: either cloak before you can get a lock on him and run off, or he'll put all of his ECM on you to jam you, THEN he'll cloak and warp off. Yes, and in doing so you remove the Falcon from the field which is, tactically speaking, almost as effective as killing it. The Falcon is all about rendering ships ineffective without killing them. Apply the same tactics to hostile Falcons; force them to waste their jamming power on sub-optimal targets (i.e. the ones shooting the Falcon instead of its allies) or force them to flee outright. I've found that ECCM'd Eagles do this very nicely; long range instant damage coupled with high sensor strength makes for a wonderfully pesky Falcon-occupier.
Gnomes Rock	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Bellum Eternus Any Falcon pilot under attack by your Vaga will do one of two things: either cloak before you can get a lock on him and run off, or he'll put all of his ECM on you to jam you, THEN he'll cloak and warp off. Yes, and in doing so you remove the Falcon from the field which is, tactically speaking, almost as effective as killing it. And yet, this excuse didn't help save nanos from the nerf bat. It shouldn't save falcons.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Gnomes Rock Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Bellum Eternus Any Falcon pilot under attack by your Vaga will do one of two things: either cloak before you can get a lock on him and run off, or he'll put all of his ECM on you to jam you, THEN he'll cloak and warp off. Yes, and in doing so you remove the Falcon from the field which is, tactically speaking, almost as effective as killing it. And yet, this excuse didn't help save nanos from the nerf bat. It shouldn't save falcons. Also... any decent falcon pilot will recognize the threat and jam it first and permanently
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:45:00 - [20] Edited by: Pohbis on 13/01/2009 22:46:39 Originally by: Gnomes Rock And yet, this excuse didn't help save nanos from the nerf bat. It shouldn't save falcons. Nanos actually blow stuff up. Falcons don't ... but back to you supporting the nano-"nerf", do tell...
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Gnomes Rock And yet, this excuse didn't help save nanos from the nerf bat. It shouldn't save falcons. A group of Falcons can engage and disengage at will just like Nanoships and render fleets larger than themselves ineffective just like Nanoships. But they can't kill much of anything on their own, and that is the main difference between Falcons and Nanoships. I'm not saying one way or the other if I think Falcons need a nerf, just that if the nerf does come it shouldn't be inspired by the same kind of thinking that lead to the nerfing of nanoships. Similar perceived problem, totally different mechanics.
Xiaodown coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:57:00 - [22] A cerberus with a full low rack of passive ECCM's will get up to about sensor strength of 60 or so, and with rigs, can hit out to 230+ km. I say cerberus because its dps isnt affected by the lack of tracking up close (it's just sub par across 230km, rather than having to be good at either long or short range). Failing that, a zealot with beams and and tracking comps and rigs, or a munin with rigs etc, or an eagle, but you're going to be hard pressed to do the right damage type with rails. The problem is that you won't kill him, so all that will happen is that he'll warp off and cloak. Meanwhile, his 20 sec jam is still in effect while he's in warp, which is the main issue. You're not going to fly out to him before he either warps off or jams you, certainly not in a cruiser, and probably not in an interceptor. So get that idea out of your head. You should be looking at range.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.01.13 23:03:00 - [23] Cerberus, Raven, Stealth bombers in general. (Long range missiles) Dual ECCM BS Snipers, Ishtars Another Falcon. Any other recon ship.
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.13 23:05:00 - [24] Stupid falcon pilots seem to be the most reliable falcon killers. That aside, recons fitted with ECCM are very hard to jam and sniper HACs/BSs will make life difficult if not deadly.
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2009.01.13 23:05:00 - [25] a club to the head while sleeping works pretty well, i find
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.01.13 23:08:00 - [26] Throw lots of drones at a falcon = win. End of story. --Isaac
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.13 23:23:00 - [27] triple ECCM'd dominix with omni tracking, drone control link and sentries. you'll die, but falcons won't laugh at you. the other ship, however, will
Franga Gristle Industries	Posted - 2009.01.13 23:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Pohbis Originally by: Ben Avery Which ship and setup is best for taking out enemy Falcons when you're in a roaming gang Lazorh snipas I concur.
Cpt Jagermeister Leather Roughnecks	Posted - 2009.01.13 23:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne The seventh ship. Funny
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.13 23:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Pohbis Edited by: Pohbis on 13/01/2009 22:29:19 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Even if they're racial ECM and not of the appropriate type for your ship, you're going to be jammed. If dual ECCM on a battleship with a base sensor strength of 23 or so doesn't work, then it won't work for a cruiser with a sensor strength of almost half that (14). A dual ECCM BS needs about 5 correct racial jammers on it to reach a 50/50 jam chance ( even a full x7 racial setup whcih happens to match is still "only" about 65% ). Exaggerate much? EDIT Your example of 7 non-correct racials would equal and awesome 32% chance. However, for some reason, I always fall into that unlucky 32%. I've never been engaged by a Falcon, ECCM or no, and not been jammed. Ever. Hence, I have two Falcon alts and am currently training up a third. If you can't beat em, be even MORE GAY than they are.

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