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SwiftAssassin	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:06:00 - [1] so the raven is way to unagile to be used for 0.0 ratting, although it effortlessly dispatches the ships.. what would be the lowest ship class i could use to be able to kill up to 1.8 million bounty rats?
Gnomes Rock	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:08:00 - [2] Retribution, and some other assault frigates but I haven't used any of the others to vouch. You just need to pay alot of attention.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:09:00 - [3] Originally by: SwiftAssassin so the raven is way to unagile to be used for 0.0 ratting, although it effortlessly dispatches the ships.. what would be the lowest ship class i could use to be able to kill up to 1.8 million bounty rats? A well skilled Wolf with several anchored giant secure cans full of ammo should do the trick.
Apoctasy Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:10:00 - [4] My officer fitted Ibis rats like no tommorow.
Mal Plox The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:13:00 - [5] Edited by: Mal Plox on 18/01/2009 18:15:09 I use Ishtar. Very efficient, but you have to barge right in and wait for everything to aggro you, before releasing your drones.
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:17:00 - [6] Ishkur works well. Don't know about T1 friggies as I haven't tried.
Chris Liath Gallente The Vorlon Empire Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:19:00 - [7] Heavy Assault Ships would be your best bet.
McRoll	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:26:00 - [8] I killed 3 an angel battleships each worth 1,4 mil. and 1 frigate spawn yesterday in a Wolf quite easily, only took some time. So i guess Assault Frigs are the lowest ship class which can do this in an reasonable amount of time, just make sure you use the frigs with the max. possible damage output. Oh and dont forget to bring a lot of ammo with you.
Shadow Ballet OffBeat Creations	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:27:00 - [9] Ishkur can do it rather well although it can be slow. Any HAC will manage it just fine. I've tried a lachesis too but my missile skills aren't quite up to scratch. HACs are the best compromise between manoeuvrability and damage dealing. If you are low on cash you can use a BC.
pherlopolus Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:28:00 - [10] Vexor can work nicely, doesnt cost much either. myrmidon with t1 fit is perfectly acceptable (with a/c)
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:32:00 - [11] Abitrator is also very good if you shield tank it and fit heavy pulse. Ammoless ratting is handy in hostile 0.0 space.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:37:00 - [12] Blaster Harpy or Pulse Retribution probably, though for obvious reasons they need to be the "right" rats. Otherwise, the Caracal can do the job pretty well at very low cost.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:42:00 - [13] All depends on skills really, one can take a 1mil BS down with a rookie ship so Arbitrator is a very nice hunter, versatile among the best out there. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
SwiftAssassin	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:42:00 - [14] so how about a hurricane? would it do it semi effectively? , like could it take down a 1.8 mil bounty one? thanks gys =]
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:47:00 - [15] I think the consensus is that nearly every ship can rat in 0.0 its just down to what you are willing to risk to a bubble camp is all that left to decide. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
McRoll	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:47:00 - [16] Hurricane is just fine but you need to find the right balance between tank and damage output. On an assault frig the rats mostly cant hit you so you can fit "full gank" but a hurricane has a way larger signature, so you will want to have some tank on it. 2-3 specific hardeners and a medium armor repairer should do the job.
Louis DelaBlanche Adam Adamants Emporium Zzz	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:59:00 - [17] I remember along time ago ratting in Fountain in a thorax. Probably would only be up to the task against serps though.
Kye Do'lan Gallente The Whitesands Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.18 19:01:00 - [18] Harpy with 4x T2 150 rails...can take down BS rats upto 750k with np My Skills
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.18 19:17:00 - [19] Assuming caldari, Cerberus and Drake are both excellent ratters.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.18 19:39:00 - [20] Originally by: SwiftAssassin so the raven is way to unagile to be used for 0.0 ratting, although it effortlessly dispatches the ships.. what would be the lowest ship class i could use to be able to kill up to 1.8 million bounty rats? i ninja rat and salvage in my ishkur. there isnt a better frig for the job. ive taken down officer spawns with 3.7mill bounty rats no problem. u can make 20mill/hour, not including the salvage and meta 4 or officer drops. taking a BS into 0.0 for ratting is really risky. i wouldnt even take a cruiser, as u cant make it past gate camps and u usually cant burn back to the gate in time.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.18 19:39:00 - [21] Edited by: UMEE on 18/01/2009 19:40:37 Originally by: TimMc Assuming caldari, Cerberus and Drake are both excellent ratters. negative, not for 0.0. you will get caught. if ure in a 0.0 alliance, sure use a cruiser.
Mobius 1 Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.19 06:37:00 - [22] Stealth Bombers, 200k safespots on all the belts, and they kill even the most expensive 0.0 rats easy.
Luke Lor'aul Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.19 07:01:00 - [23] I suppose an afterburning catalyst or thrasher would work pretty well on sanshas and other signature weak rats
Major Templar Caldari The Dark Wheel Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.19 07:07:00 - [24] Drake with MWD and T2 Heavy Launchers and passive tank. :) Can take out pretty much everything with ease.
Capt Kees Decorum Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.01.19 08:33:00 - [25] I have used as lowest ship a Manticore with T2 Cruises and AB, Sens Booster and BCU II for ratting on most 0.0 belt.. Just keep at max shooting distance and peel them off one by one.. Drakes also make fine ratting ships, lil more expensive, works a tat faster too and allows for tanking. (you dont want too take BS hits even of rats in that manticore ;))
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.01.19 08:50:00 - [26] Originally by: UMEE Originally by: TimMc Assuming caldari, Cerberus and Drake are both excellent ratters. negative, not for 0.0. you will get caught. if ure in a 0.0 alliance, sure use a cruiser. Sooo.. the Cerberus isn't agile enough compared to a cruiser? I've been ninjaratting in most kind of ships, BC's do perfectly fine. Even before the agility boost in QR, I had ninjaratting command ships etc that did perfectly fine. Had a Drake that was doing it as well but got fed up with running with ammo all the time, prefer drone- or laserboats. Anything goes, it's a matter of how you play, where you play etc. AF's are probably the smallest semi-effective one, yes. But you'll do fine up to BC/Command Ships if you're just paying attention. If you fly Amarr, Harbinger is a cheap fairly option with nice damage output. Ishtar is my choise if Gallente, and for Caldari the Cerb and Drake is awsome. Havn't been ninjaratting with my Minmatar ships but I know a guy doing it with success in a Rupture. Seriously, as you see, there's a crapload of options. Just take whichever you will enjoy flying. 's ofc easier in smaller ships but you do fine in bigger if you pay attention.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2009.01.19 10:29:00 - [27] I used a Thorax back when i was a newb (1600 plate, small blasters), also assault frigs do the trick nicely. - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.19 10:58:00 - [28] Zealots and Cerbs are both pretty efficient, especially vs EM and Kinetic rats respectively.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2009.01.19 11:03:00 - [29] Originally by: SwiftAssassin so the raven is way to unagile to be used for 0.0 ratting No, it's not. You're doing it wrong.
Squably Minmatar Invenio Inceptum	Posted - 2009.01.19 11:09:00 - [30] Raven still does the trick, can't say i notice any difference with a while ago when it comes to ratting.
Lord Thingol Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.01.19 12:07:00 - [31] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: SwiftAssassin so the raven is way to unagile to be used for 0.0 ratting No, it's not. You're doing it wrong. This, TBH. I've spent months ninja ratting in a Raven with no ship losses at all. Just have to keep your wits about you, and plan well.
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.19 12:18:00 - [32] it isnt just the ship, but the combination of skills, attitudes, and ship that makes a good ratting experience.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.01.19 13:24:00 - [33] if i have to gather crap-loot for a new BS, i just go with the sentry ishtar. cargo expanders, nanofibers, and lots of time saving with the highslots not being "reserved" for weapons
Random Womble Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2009.01.19 13:56:00 - [34] I would say the lowest is an interceptor (i count AFs as higher up than ceptors for this challange as they do more DPS/have better tanks) i used to use a claw to rat in sansha space just dont try to do any cosmic anoms (tried an agel one with 6 decent BS and a few other things spawned missiles when target painted hurt). You might even manage to get away with a speed tanked T1 frig but damage output might be an issue that and tanking cruisers/frigs in a spawn.
gallminin Gallente Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo	Posted - 2009.01.19 14:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Apoctasy My officer fitted Ibis rats like no tommorow. i was in a Tristan speed tanking 3 BS rats in 0.0. i was useing t2 200mm projectile. i know i know useing projectile on a gallente ship. yarrrr... and i was poped two of them :] then ran out of ammo :/ i was very mad. ---Asus M2N SLI Deluxe wireles edition.- XFX 8800GT 512MB DDR3 - 6GB G.Skill - AMD 6400+ am2 @3.2 with a zalman cooler---
Melissa Ravenflame Caldari Zulu Squadron	Posted - 2009.01.19 14:39:00 - [36] Neutron Blaster Harpy using AM will take out any Serpentis or Guristats BS (not sure about any other Factions). Only problem is it takes a long time and a lot of ammo.
Lt Shard Shoot To Thrill Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2009.01.19 16:21:00 - [37] Edited by: Lt Shard on 19/01/2009 16:22:01 I find my Drone AF to annihilate rats in a pvp fit. Edit: I'm not joking.
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2009.01.19 16:54:00 - [38] i liked teh casder for 0.0 npcing - We are anonymous. We Are legion.
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:22:00 - [39] well...lowest...i did rat sanshas once in a punisher when i was a nubbin...it took me 40 min to take down a 800k BS...but i did do it --------------------------------------------- Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw well...lowest...i did rat sanshas once in a punisher when i was a nubbin...it took me 40 min to take down a 800k BS...but i did do it Dual Serp battleship spawn in a third-best-named fitted punisher, that took a while... ended that trip by accidentally warping to a deadspace gate and into a sensor boosted inty ><
Esteban Manchild	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:29:00 - [41] My Retribution easily handled triple 1.25 million Sansha BS in Providence. Takes a while and you don't have room for loot, but it works.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.19 22:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Esteban Manchild My Retribution easily handled triple 1.25 million Sansha BS in Providence. Takes a while and you don't have room for loot, but it works. meh, take only officer drops and worthwhile meta 4 items. but honestly, AFs are the way to go.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.01.19 22:48:00 - [43] Smallest that can clear the ships in a reasonable time frame are probably AF, but I hate using them. 200 dps is... low. T1 cruisers are good enough sometimes (mostly blaster boats against serps) but they have a hard time being tanked. BC and HAC are the most versatile and pretty agile, plus they have the slots to fit cloaks if you want to. Faction cruisers fall into this category as well. IMHO this is the best ship class to use, especially if you're fighting guristas/serpentis because the gallente/caldari HACs have very good resistances and dish out the damage types you want to be doing. BS have the DPS of course but I hate ratting in them, since a lot of time in belt ratting is spent just warping to and away from belts, and BS take forever to align. __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Drahomira Mlecna	Posted - 2009.01.19 23:28:00 - [44] Drake - 7x HAM, MWD, rat specific hardeners, 5 x T2 drones, tractor and you will never have problems with 3x 1,85 spawns. Raven is fine too, because you can salvage on the way... but Drake is a bit more safer since it is not so slow (good when some visitors come to system). Ofcourse, if you have skills then HAC is the right option in the end.
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2009.01.19 23:51:00 - [45] thrasher works good :P really any ship that does atleast 200 dps can do it if you got good skills to back the ship up
Battlecheese Caldari SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.01.20 01:12:00 - [46] I see lots of expensive suggestions.... In fact you can rat perfectly fine in a T1-fit Merlin. Be prepared to take a LOT of ammo for the battleships, and avoid belts with too many frigs/destroyers.
Antimony Noske	Posted - 2009.01.20 01:12:00 - [47] Originally by: Terianna Eri BC and HAC are the most versatile and pretty agile, plus they have the slots to fit cloaks if you want to. Would a Zealot with a cloak work? How much DPS are the biggest 0.0 rat spawns going to be giving out? How much DPS is necessary to kill them in a decent amount of time?
Gojyu Ever Flow Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.01.20 01:20:00 - [48] Took down a 3.6mil faction bs in a sabre once. Took 3/4 of an hour, but I did it. Damn thing dropped crap all loot too
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2009.01.20 01:24:00 - [49] Ishkur, green lean mean killing machine. Provided to you by Nebula Rasa Technologies. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.01.20 04:30:00 - [50] Just use a raven. You shouldnt be losing them much at all. And on the rare occassion you do they are insured. If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.01.20 04:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Antimony Noske Would a Zealot with a cloak work? 400-500 (the DPS of a zealot with 4 turrets) will do it, yes. Try a harbinger or navy omen though if you want to fit a cloak, or just forgo the cloak and use a zealot. Quote: How much DPS are the biggest 0.0 rat spawns going to be giving out? I don't know offhand, but barring faction/officer spawns, 3x 1.8m BS will dish out... maybe 300 dps each to a stationary target? Quote: How much DPS is necessary to kill them in a decent amount of time? 150-200 dps will kill them eventually. I use a Harbinger (about 750 dps) and it burns through the largest BS in under a minute. __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2009.01.20 04:48:00 - [52] efficiency = vulnerability security = inefficiency basically the better the ship is at killing the big rats the heavier its going to be. Meaning you're going to be slow to warp out. The smaller ships can't kill as effectively and if so then they are bound to be t2 ships and cost close to what you would pay for an insurable Raven. You might not get caught as often but if you do you're going to be paying more isk. Yes smaller ships can rat in 0.0, I've done so in an interceptor but it doesn't beat a torp or even cruise raven in efficiency. You can say that you rat in a small ship in 0.0 but you have to wonder how much you could be making doing L3s instead with far less risk. Some people probably rat in a small ship just to say that they rat in 0.0 as opposed to doing missions.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.20 05:41:00 - [53] Originally by: ShardowRhino Edited by: ShardowRhino on 20/01/2009 05:01:39 efficiency = vulnerability security = inefficiency basically the better the ship is at killing the big rats the heavier its going to be. Meaning you're going to be slow to warp out. The smaller ships can't kill as effectively and if so then they are bound to be t2 ships and cost close to what you would pay for an insurable Raven. You might not get caught as often but if you do you're going to be paying more isk. Yes smaller ships can rat in 0.0, I've done so in an interceptor but it doesn't beat a torp or even cruise raven in efficiency. You can say that you rat in a small ship in 0.0 but you have to wonder how much you could be making doing L3s instead with far less risk. Some people probably rat in a small ship just to say that they rat in 0.0 as opposed to doing missions. Things to consider mounting on a raven for ratting: energy neutralizer smart bomb web bubble camps. ninja rat in your AF's kids.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:01:00 - [54] Originally by: UMEE bubble camps. ninja rat in your AF's kids. Yeah the inevitable death will be less stressful on your wallet for sure since frigate fittings are dirt cheap. Which brings up the #1 0.0 ratter the Pilgrim. Fitted out with heavy pulse and a fat shield tank it lols at both officer rats and bubble camps.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: UMEE bubble camps. ninja rat in your AF's kids. Yeah the inevitable death will be less stressful on your wallet for sure since frigate fittings are dirt cheap. Which brings up the #1 0.0 ratter the Pilgrim. Fitted out with heavy pulse and a fat shield tank it lols at both officer rats and bubble camps. recons are the only cruisers i support for ninja ratting
Robert0288 Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:56:00 - [56] Blaster enyo with AM, wrecks everything and can still get you out of trouble
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2009.01.20 07:13:00 - [57] A fully Tech 2 fitted Harb does the trick imo. I have noooooo issues using a harb to pew pew some 0.0 rats and this includes the 1.8mil bounties
The AEther	Posted - 2009.01.20 07:27:00 - [58] last i checked Vexor and Thorax were able to rat in Providence and kill battleship spawns no problems, just gotta check that your skills are in the right places and fit is right

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