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Nieda
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:17:00 -
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As a dedicated minmatar pilot, i'd like to stay with projectile guns. I'm specializing around long range sniping so this post is to illustrate how this CANT be done with 1400 Artillery, which is supposed to be: "The ultimate artillery cannon. It hurls death and destruction over incredible distances." (taken from the gun's description).
Some facts:
Gun DMG RoF Optimal Falloff Tracking Cap
1400 5 23,625 40 000 35 000 0.009 3
Tachyon 4.2 12.5 44 000 20 000 0.0139205 95
425 Rail 2.75 9.563 48 000 24 000 0.009625 34
Optimal + Falloff:
1400 75 000
Tachyon 64 000
425 Rail 72 000
Now, this is hard data collected for all 3 guns (using the I version). Now for the quiz question (Minmatar nerfs 500): What is the problem with the 1400 Artillery?
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2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage. |
Nieda
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:17:00 -
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As a dedicated minmatar pilot, i'd like to stay with projectile guns. I'm specializing around long range sniping so this post is to illustrate how this CANT be done with 1400 Artillery, which is supposed to be: "The ultimate artillery cannon. It hurls death and destruction over incredible distances." (taken from the gun's description).
Some facts:
Gun DMG RoF Optimal Falloff Tracking Cap
1400 5 23,625 40 000 35 000 0.009 3
Tachyon 4.2 12.5 44 000 20 000 0.0139205 95
425 Rail 2.75 9.563 48 000 24 000 0.009625 34
Optimal + Falloff:
1400 75 000
Tachyon 64 000
425 Rail 72 000
Now, this is hard data collected for all 3 guns (using the I version). Now for the quiz question (Minmatar nerfs 500): What is the problem with the 1400 Artillery?
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2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage. |
Perry
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:21:00 -
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Uhmmm 
Answer: That it does not need cap like crazy?
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Perry
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:21:00 -
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Uhmmm
Answer: That it does not need cap like crazy?
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Noin
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:36:00 -
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Well. I use 1400mm's since a week or so.
The problem for me is this:
When I warp in at 60km that is considered low range somehow.
When I use lead (long range) ammo I can't hit ****, so I use EMP ammo (short range) and then I make hits sometimes.
I need an option to warp in at 250km and be a true sniper with my 1400mm's.
60km is just too short a range.
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Noin
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:36:00 -
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Well. I use 1400mm's since a week or so.
The problem for me is this:
When I warp in at 60km that is considered low range somehow.
When I use lead (long range) ammo I can't hit ****, so I use EMP ammo (short range) and then I make hits sometimes.
I need an option to warp in at 250km and be a true sniper with my 1400mm's.
60km is just too short a range.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 28/07/2004 13:42:50
Tempest users that don't fit tracking comps with their guns ?
Whwnever I use sniping with my rails I have 4 tracking mods on, primarily for optimal range but the tracking gets to be a whole lot better too. But the hits generally aren't big either. It's the number of guns and my rof of 5.6 seconds that does it for me.
edit: forget about warping in at 60 and hitting everything without needing tracking mods. Good range to hit now is 80km and equipping tracking comps/mods is key to good hits. With the 1400's low rof every hit counts, and every miss is a problem. Use bookmarks made with frigs if you want to snipe.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 28/07/2004 13:42:50
Tempest users that don't fit tracking comps with their guns ?
Whwnever I use sniping with my rails I have 4 tracking mods on, primarily for optimal range but the tracking gets to be a whole lot better too. But the hits generally aren't big either. It's the number of guns and my rof of 5.6 seconds that does it for me.
edit: forget about warping in at 60 and hitting everything without needing tracking mods. Good range to hit now is 80km and equipping tracking comps/mods is key to good hits. With the 1400's low rof every hit counts, and every miss is a problem. Use bookmarks made with frigs if you want to snipe.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Nieda
Now, this is hard data collected for all 3 guns (using the I version). Now for the quiz question (Minmatar nerfs 500): What is the problem with the 1400 Artillery?
And the answer iiis... *ding ding*
Nothing!
It uses no cap (less than 3% of what a tachyon uses) and gets a 66.6% damage over time bonus with minmatar battleship level 5.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nieda
Now, this is hard data collected for all 3 guns (using the I version). Now for the quiz question (Minmatar nerfs 500): What is the problem with the 1400 Artillery?
And the answer iiis... *ding ding*
Nothing!
It uses no cap (less than 3% of what a tachyon uses) and gets a 66.6% damage over time bonus with minmatar battleship level 5.
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mqwam
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nieda
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What is the problem with the 1400 Artillery?
The low tracking in conjunction with the low agilty of a battleship.
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mqwam
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nieda
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What is the problem with the 1400 Artillery?
The low tracking in conjunction with the low agilty of a battleship.
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allmus
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:54:00 -
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i find when using the 1400mm gun's that my hit rate doesn't really matter at the moment.......
COZ THEY DON'T HIT ABOVE 300!
about 3 weeks ago SOMTHING happened, i dunno what, but before 3 weeks ago i could get rare wreaking shot's of 700-850(like 1 hit in 25 i think) but after CCP did something 3 weeks ago, NO MATTER WHAT I TRY i can't get past the 300 damage mark.
what does this mean to me, well with all though Tier2 BS's they could solo a 0.0 spawn
(mega could blast at short range, raven could missile to death, apoc had great lasers)
BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOO, minmatar tempest proj gun's are so nerf'd that a 0.0 500k BS spawn can TANK MY DAMAGE!
IT'S JUST NOT DAM RIGHT, AND THE DEV'S NEED TO READ THIS AND TELL ME WHY THE F**K I CAN'T HUNT 0.0 SPACE WITHOUT BACKUP NOW.
DEV'S and GM'S, i don;t know why u hate the minmatar race so much, but can u look into it, and tell us ur looking into it, they are unusable without backup now
sorry for my blasting but i've been on about 8 different post's about this, all without an answer, all with other people telling me there not nerf's but they are, i have tried EVERYTHING! they still won;t get past 300, i used 3 different ammo types, and tracking mod's, damage mod's, nothing working!
this is a plea from a long time player(starts just after retail came out) and i am minmatar, u use their ship's and weapons, and u have nerfed the proj's for some unknown reason, and i just wanna know WHHHHHYYYYYYYYYY
this post was funded by Quafe
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Quafe's caldari version "press missiles 4TW"
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allmus
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Posted - 2004.07.28 13:54:00 -
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i find when using the 1400mm gun's that my hit rate doesn't really matter at the moment.......
COZ THEY DON'T HIT ABOVE 300!
about 3 weeks ago SOMTHING happened, i dunno what, but before 3 weeks ago i could get rare wreaking shot's of 700-850(like 1 hit in 25 i think) but after CCP did something 3 weeks ago, NO MATTER WHAT I TRY i can't get past the 300 damage mark.
what does this mean to me, well with all though Tier2 BS's they could solo a 0.0 spawn
(mega could blast at short range, raven could missile to death, apoc had great lasers)
BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOO, minmatar tempest proj gun's are so nerf'd that a 0.0 500k BS spawn can TANK MY DAMAGE!
IT'S JUST NOT DAM RIGHT, AND THE DEV'S NEED TO READ THIS AND TELL ME WHY THE F**K I CAN'T HUNT 0.0 SPACE WITHOUT BACKUP NOW.
DEV'S and GM'S, i don;t know why u hate the minmatar race so much, but can u look into it, and tell us ur looking into it, they are unusable without backup now
sorry for my blasting but i've been on about 8 different post's about this, all without an answer, all with other people telling me there not nerf's but they are, i have tried EVERYTHING! they still won;t get past 300, i used 3 different ammo types, and tracking mod's, damage mod's, nothing working!
this is a plea from a long time player(starts just after retail came out) and i am minmatar, u use their ship's and weapons, and u have nerfed the proj's for some unknown reason, and i just wanna know WHHHHHYYYYYYYYYY
this post was funded by Quafe
now available in minmatar red.
try our new product.
Quafe's caldari version "press missiles 4TW"
limited sales offer before the next universal improvement |
fras
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Posted - 2004.07.28 14:14:00 -
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i regularly get hits of 300+ with 1400's vs BS' size targets.
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fras
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Posted - 2004.07.28 14:14:00 -
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i regularly get hits of 300+ with 1400's vs BS' size targets.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.28 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 28/07/2004 14:18:28
Might wanna check the resists and health of the NPCs your shooting at.
Oh and the answer to the question is... There is no problem.
There are no problems period, only solutions.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.28 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 28/07/2004 14:18:28
Might wanna check the resists and health of the NPCs your shooting at.
Oh and the answer to the question is... There is no problem.
There are no problems period, only solutions.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Nieda
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Posted - 2004.07.28 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: fras
i regularly get hits of 300+ with 1400's vs BS' size targets.
Your Mega Pulse Laser I is well aimed at Cassius Throne [FIG], inflicting 1942.2 damage.
Kinda ironic, isnt it.
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2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage. |
Nieda
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Posted - 2004.07.28 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: fras
i regularly get hits of 300+ with 1400's vs BS' size targets.
Your Mega Pulse Laser I is well aimed at Cassius Throne [FIG], inflicting 1942.2 damage.
Kinda ironic, isnt it.
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2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage. |
Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.07.28 14:42:00 -
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It's a bunch of Bulldung that you can't hit with lead, I hate that if it is true, at 60km you should have just as much accuracy with lead as you do emp the only difference should be that with emp you'd do more damage. It's complete crap if optimal range is in the equation that prevents you from hitting at close range, it's a complete penalty to someone that has trained sharpshooter 5 (and yes i have).
I'm not saying you're a liar, I'm saying that if what you say is true it's crap and is not a good way to code the accuracy of turrets.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.07.28 14:42:00 -
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It's a bunch of Bulldung that you can't hit with lead, I hate that if it is true, at 60km you should have just as much accuracy with lead as you do emp the only difference should be that with emp you'd do more damage. It's complete crap if optimal range is in the equation that prevents you from hitting at close range, it's a complete penalty to someone that has trained sharpshooter 5 (and yes i have).
I'm not saying you're a liar, I'm saying that if what you say is true it's crap and is not a good way to code the accuracy of turrets.
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2004.07.28 15:54:00 -
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No irony to it at all really. Remember before Tom B got that spiffee Jovian avatar, he was Amarrian 
No negative changes for any Amarrian ship that I'm aware of.....
Tom B crippling the Minmatar fleet one ship at a time  |
Stront3h
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Posted - 2004.07.28 15:54:00 -
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No irony to it at all really. Remember before Tom B got that spiffee Jovian avatar, he was Amarrian
No negative changes for any Amarrian ship that I'm aware of.....
Tom B crippling the Minmatar fleet one ship at a time |
Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.07.28 15:56:00 -
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Getting better hits in last couple of weeks with my 1400's with slight increase in frequency of wrecking hits i think. Wrecking hits around 1000-1200 with 2 tech2 damage mods and 2 tech2 tracking enhancers. Seem to be able to hit frigates and cruisers ok 40-60km which susrpises me (using emp of course). What concerns me is in fact the max 60km warp in which takes away the option of extreme range sniping.
On a (slightly) related point, the official line on the recent large turret changes is to fit some small/med turrets to the bs to counter smaller ship classes. However, not only do you sacrfice a large turret but you also fit a turret that gets no special bonus for med/small turrets on a bs. I can live with outfitting a bs for a specific role such as frigate killing in certain circumstances but the fact that the medium turrets i've equipped are less effective than on a cruiser is a bit of a bummer
Sorry, i seem to have digressed from the original point of this thread
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.07.28 15:56:00 -
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Getting better hits in last couple of weeks with my 1400's with slight increase in frequency of wrecking hits i think. Wrecking hits around 1000-1200 with 2 tech2 damage mods and 2 tech2 tracking enhancers. Seem to be able to hit frigates and cruisers ok 40-60km which susrpises me (using emp of course). What concerns me is in fact the max 60km warp in which takes away the option of extreme range sniping.
On a (slightly) related point, the official line on the recent large turret changes is to fit some small/med turrets to the bs to counter smaller ship classes. However, not only do you sacrfice a large turret but you also fit a turret that gets no special bonus for med/small turrets on a bs. I can live with outfitting a bs for a specific role such as frigate killing in certain circumstances but the fact that the medium turrets i've equipped are less effective than on a cruiser is a bit of a bummer
Sorry, i seem to have digressed from the original point of this thread
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Beseb
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Posted - 2004.07.28 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Stront3h
No irony to it at all really. Remember before Tom B got that spiffee Jovian avatar, he was Amarrian
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And before that, he was Minmatar...
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Beseb
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Posted - 2004.07.28 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Stront3h
No irony to it at all really. Remember before Tom B got that spiffee Jovian avatar, he was Amarrian
...
And before that, he was Minmatar...
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Lentia
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Posted - 2004.07.28 16:11:00 -
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Cleary rails and projectiles have been hurt by recent overt and stealth nerfs. I abandoned my Mega for a few months and just hunted with a Raven. In the past I was able to either shield or armor tank my Mega and still have good tracking and damage. This is no longer possible with tch1 guns. 
Now I'm back in the Mega using 5 tracking mods and 3 damage mods, and doing hits of 200 at 120 km. Just have to sacrifice all armor and shield but it does hit and does kill. The fact that I have almost 2m in gunnery and cant take anything down without the assistance of EIGHT mods kinda ****es me off, but anyway thats the deal.
Lentia
Military Officer
http://www.staf.online-guild.com/ |
Lentia
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Posted - 2004.07.28 16:11:00 -
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Cleary rails and projectiles have been hurt by recent overt and stealth nerfs. I abandoned my Mega for a few months and just hunted with a Raven. In the past I was able to either shield or armor tank my Mega and still have good tracking and damage. This is no longer possible with tch1 guns.
Now I'm back in the Mega using 5 tracking mods and 3 damage mods, and doing hits of 200 at 120 km. Just have to sacrifice all armor and shield but it does hit and does kill. The fact that I have almost 2m in gunnery and cant take anything down without the assistance of EIGHT mods kinda ****es me off, but anyway thats the deal.
Lentia
Military Officer
http://www.staf.online-guild.com/ |
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