Originally by: Scrapple

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+1, this is seriously just silly. A ship in a bubble should stay there until someone pilots it out or the ship is blown up.

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Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros

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Originally by: Scrapple

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+1, this is seriously just silly. A ship in a bubble should stay there until someone pilots it out or the ship is blown up.

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I don't quite agree with this one; for instance if someone puts up a large mobile warp disruptor in an empty system and a pilot logs off in it imo his ship should disappear - after 15 minutes. I think the agro timer should be triggered by the auto-warp attempt the client makes on logoff.

Of course if another dude jumps in and starts shooting said logged off ship, it should reset the timer.

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Originally by: RogerWilco

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Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros

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Originally by: Scrapple

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+1, this is seriously just silly. A ship in a bubble should stay there until someone pilots it out or the ship is blown up.

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I don't quite agree with this one; for instance if someone puts up a large mobile warp disruptor in an empty system and a pilot logs off in it imo his ship should disappear - after 15 minutes. I think the agro timer should be triggered by the auto-warp attempt the client makes on logoff.

Of course if another dude jumps in and starts shooting said logged off ship, it should reset the timer.

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I disagree ysa, if you log off in a bubble you deserve to die..

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Originally by: PhOeN1x2k

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Bull****

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Originally by: Fortiter

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So its only an issue when BoB's enemies want to save their caps, but not a problem when BoB pilots log off to save theirs?

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Originally by: Princess Crocodile

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so you are saying is that say, you log off completely aggro free (so you should disappear in 1 minute). but then a really good covert ops finds you inside of a minute and puts a point on you and that's you basically f**ked?
kind of stupid don't you think?

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Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr

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Bit suspicious to see Bob, AAA and Atlas whining here. You might have missed some ships down south that logged off and now you are sad?

At least you know how to abuse the shooting drones trick to re-aggro ships after they logged.

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Originally by: "Desi"

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Originally by: "spiralJunkie"

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if Vegeta is going, only I can beat him

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You will need to spend atleast 6 episodes powering up before you do that.

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Originally by: belannova

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Originally by: Princess Crocodile

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so you are saying is that say, you log off completely aggro free (so you should disappear in 1 minute). but then a really good covert ops finds you inside of a minute and puts a point on you and that's you basically f**ked?
kind of stupid don't you think?

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you missed the idea completly.

Leme explain the how to:

you have aggro + you are pointed/bubbled = you dont disapear.

You dont have aggro + no point/bubble = safe

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Originally by: Fortiter

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So its only an issue when BoB's enemies want to save their caps, but not a problem when BoB pilots log off to save theirs?

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Originally by: Wardo21

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Wait for them to login again if you have the time. The logofski ship goes right back where it started from doesn't it?

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Originally by: Wardo21

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Like I said in the last thread complaining about logofski, what you do to the Ctrl-Q logoff mechanism will easily be altered to any number of other ways of disconnecting the client by some other means. (Router/computer/modem turn off or disconnect, etc.)

None of these alternate methods will be recognizable by the host (or reportable by the client) so real disconnects will cause ship losses. This will increase petitions for ship losses from legitimate ISP issues etc, thus increasing the workload for CCP.

For that reason alone it's unlikely that CCP will change the mechanic.

Wait for them to login again if you have the time. The logofski ship goes right back where it started from doesn't it?

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Originally by: Princess Crocodile logging off without aggro is the same thing as logging in aggro, [/quote

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BTW, mining Veldspar doesnt give aggro, you are completly safe.

Originally by: Koyama Ise

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This probably is actually a bad idea but you could make it so ships never vanish but become un-probe-able and scannable after x amount of time. That way if you probe out a guy no matter how long it is till the timer is gone you can kill him but if you try probe him out too long after he's logged off you can't find him.

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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...Proposal...

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Originally by: FlameGlow

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Now look what you did CCP, even famous metagamers whine about metagaming now , do something about it already!

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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lots of text

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Originally by: Straight Chillen

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So I propose that in order to prevent such, that the developers differentiate NPC and play warp jammers.

If a player is warp jammed by an NPC and logs/dc's he will warp off like normal

If a player is warp jammed by a player or a bubble, and logs/dc's they remain until they are no longer warp jammed.

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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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If you cant kill something in 15minutes, than maybe you deserve to lose the kill?

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Maybe make it so that when you log off you align and do the emergency warp then. So any attacker has the window of alignment duration to tackle the ship. If you're without aggression timer at the emergency warp point, you'll disappear. If you have aggression, be it from other players or NPC entities you don't disappear until the timer is worn off. You don't do an emergency warp in bubbles or when tackled and you don't disappear when attacked.

So you log off your freighter at a camp, the campers can tackle it and keep it put until it pops.

If you log off your freighter at a POS without aggression timer, you warp off and disappear as soon as you drop out of warp again.

If you crash in a mission, you align and warp off and stay at the emergency warp point until the aggression timer against the NPCs wears off.

If you are ratting and log off, you align, emergency warp and stay around until the aggression timer against the rats wears off.

If you crash in a mission and a rat has tackled you, you won't warp off and the rats will keep shooting you until you're dead because the aggression timer won't run out and you can't warp away. Sorry, we wish you a quick recovery.


This should cover most (common) situations, I think.

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