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Kei Masaki Warsmiths	Posted - 2009.01.21 23:51:00 - [31] if u linked it so we could read the rules and the rules there don't imply or state it. you are kinda linking something irrelevant and pointless because aparently we can't read this rule that doesn't exist in that post lmao. give me whatever u smoked man i wanna see invisable words too
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.21 23:54:00 - [32] Edited by: Karentaki on 21/01/2009 23:56:42 To be honest I'm just waiting for the whiner to get banned when someone gives him a taste of his own medicine and follows him on SISI or TQ waiting for him to break the rules. I'm also waiting for a dev to tell him how stupid he is, because I'm pretty sure even the devs aren't this stuck up.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.01.21 23:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Kei Masaki if u linked it so we could read the rules and the rules there don't imply or state it. you are kinda linking something irrelevant and pointless because aparently we can't read this rule that doesn't exist in that post lmao. give me whatever u smoked man i wanna see invisable words too So you say the rules i linked to doesn't mean anything, well ok, thanks for letting me know that rules doesn't mean anything to you on sisi.
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.21 23:58:00 - [34] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Kei Masaki if u linked it so we could read the rules and the rules there don't imply or state it. you are kinda linking something irrelevant and pointless because aparently we can't read this rule that doesn't exist in that post lmao. give me whatever u smoked man i wanna see invisable words too So you say the rules i linked to doesn't mean anything, well ok, thanks for letting me know that rules doesn't mean anything to you on sisi. Rules mean a lot to me, but only when they are applied in a logical and reasonable way. Indiscriminate banning is NOT a valid application of rules.
1Evildude Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.22 00:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Kei Masaki is there any chance i could get unbaned? i was banded for attacking a dreadnought warpscrammed me and fired at me on a station.... It's a shame you're not a carebear, maybe CCP would have listened and unabanned you?
Evelgrivion Ignatium. Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.01.22 00:31:00 - [36] The amount of terrible posting in this thread is depressing. As a 411, this is what Singularity is: Singularity is a test server provided as an extra service by CCP. It is not considered part of the service guaranteed by your $15 a month, but you need to be subscribed to participate in it. Singularity is intended as a bug testing server, running newer builds than Tranquility so that players can find bugs and report them. Part of that obviously requires play testing, which is why accommodations have been made in FD-MLJ to permit easier testing, such as combat zone beacons, and beacons which repeatedly outline the rules of using the test server. The rules are needed to make sure people can do what they set out to do, and to make sure people do not mess it up. SINGULARITY IS NOT A FREE FOR ALL PVP ZONE WHERE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. CCP is also under no obligation to allow you to use the test server, and they explicitly state in the rules thread that you are to follow the rules, lest you be banned by CCP in the most harsh and uncaring manner possible. Providing a test server is extra work for THEM, and they do it because the developers of EVE Online are a friendly and helpful bunch of people who love their game and love to help people enjoy the game. You can even talk to a bunch of them if you know where to look. However, the developers do not appreciate it when you go around messing things up because you were either too lazy or too inconsiderate to read and heed the rules they provided. The rules are there to maximize the amount of things which can be accomplished and tested. The rules are NOT meant to be broken. NightmareX is right in saying that the rules should be followed, and he is equally right to report offenders so that CCP can ban them. If you can't appreciate it or bother to take heed of the warnings CCP provides, you have no right to complain when CCP removes your access to the test server.
derek23	Posted - 2009.01.22 00:36:00 - [37] HMMM MAYBE!!! JUST MAYBE IF U WERENT A COMPLETE MORON YOU WOULD DID A LITTLE THING AND DOCKED?...OR AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THIS GUY A IS COMPLETE DUM DUM ?
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.01.22 00:45:00 - [38] What Evelgrivion said is how it is.
Murixo Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.01.22 01:27:00 - [39] I only read the first 4 or 5 posts before I became bored and irritated. But don't worry, nightmare has been a whiny little ***** for years now...
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.01.22 01:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Murixo I only read the first 4 or 5 posts before I became bored and irritated. But don't worry, nightmare has been a whiny little ***** for years now... Oh look, that's only 2 years and 10 months ago it happened. And what does that have to do with sisi to do?. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
Murixo Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.01.22 01:32:00 - [41] it doesn't. it's a character reference. the fact it was so old was kind of the point :)
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.01.22 01:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Murixo it doesn't. it's a character reference. the fact it was so old was kind of the point :) It's a reference that have nothing to say in this topic or about me now. That topic is just a funny story today. Check out my new flash web page 'Alpha Strike'
derek23	Posted - 2009.01.22 01:36:00 - [43] Holy ****zle batman somebody has no life bringin something that old up
Murixo Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.01.22 01:38:00 - [44] meh, was wandering around on m. corp's website and they had it on their main page. never seen it before today, just thought it was rather funny. and an apt description of the type of person nightmare is.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.01.22 01:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Murixo meh, was wandering around on m. corp's website and they had it on their main page. never seen it before today, just thought it was rather funny. and an apt description of the type of person nightmare is. Dude, i think it's funny to.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.01.22 01:46:00 - [46] dude nightmare, these guys are just trolling you. Ignore them, if they continue to act like ******s, they will get banned again. @ banned tards in this thread: I also will report any rulebreakers I come across. Sisi is for testing, if your going to act like a douchebag, you will get reported and banned. Thats all there is to it really.
Murixo Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.01.22 02:16:00 - [47] Edited by: Murixo on 22/01/2009 02:18:08 On your sig: kill it with fire however I do agree with the testing rules, I use sisi myself and follow the rules. I just dislike the way Nightmare goes around preaching as if he were a dev. edit: or this one
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.01.22 02:20:00 - [48] Edited by: NightmareX on 22/01/2009 02:22:11 Originally by: Murixo Edited by: Murixo on 22/01/2009 02:18:08 On your sig: kill it with fire however I do agree with the testing rules, I use sisi myself and follow the rules. I just dislike the way Nightmare goes around preaching as if he were a dev. edit: or this one Uhm, i'm not preaching to be a dev at all. I'm just telling exactly the same as a dev would say here. That's the thing, and that's why you think i'm preaching to be a dev. But what's wrong by telling the same as a dev would tell here about the rules?.
sg3s Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.22 03:25:00 - [49] I lawd, most of these people are either completely ******ed or horrible trolls, I really hope it's the last one.
Kei Masaki Warsmiths	Posted - 2009.01.22 03:28:00 - [50] Originally by: rValdez5987 dude nightmare, these guys are just trolling you. Ignore them, if they continue to act like ****s, they will get banned again. @ banned tards in this thread: I also will report any rulebreakers I come across. Sisi is for testing, if your going to act like a douchebag, you will get reported and banned. Thats all there is to it really. ok dude look. we're not the ones eing douchebags we were keeping to ourselfs. nightmare is the guy that came and ***ed at us
Kei Masaki Warsmiths	Posted - 2009.01.22 03:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Murixo Edited by: Murixo on 22/01/2009 02:18:08 On your sig: kill it with fire however I do agree with the testing rules, I use sisi myself and follow the rules. I just dislike the way Nightmare goes around preaching as if he were a dev. edit: or this one i follow the rules too. it's just if someone starts agressing me when i undock im gonna try to fight back. besides if a dreadnought wants to give me a tank test im fine wit that. it's the test server if i lose my ship i'll buy another. I see my ban as unreasonable.
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.01.22 07:03:00 - [52] Ok. Rule in fd-: No fighting outside of station. Rule is broken if you shoot first, second or 2342353rd, doesnt matter what the circumstance is. Because you shot back, you were banned. You broke the rules and were punished as a result, if you don't like the rules whine to CCP via petition, trolling a rule abiding player gets you no where. Hint: Next time you're shot outide of station, report who shot you then dock. Revenge will be much sweeter that way. P.S Saying "but reporting is for girley dobbers" then thats you're loss, just prepare to get banned over and over when you keep breaking the rules.. EVE history t2 precisions
Winterreign	Posted - 2009.01.22 07:21:00 - [53] I agree, Break the rules get banned. The who, what, or why is inconsiquential. I've been ganked my fair share outside of stations or had to suffer though the lag of entering a Capfleet fight on the doorstep, and most people get away with it because I for one am too lazy to bother reporting. so nightmare, I applaude your diligence. -W

CCP Dionysus	Posted - 2009.01.22 07:54:00 - [54] As has been said - its part of the rules in FD- When any of you are next in FD-, take a look at your overview - the beacons there have names which remind you of the rules. one of which says: NO FIGHTING OUTSIDE THE STATIONS.

Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.22 11:58:00 - [55] Great to see some of the mentally challenged getting banned on sisi. They are of no use anyways, so no loss here..
Sturdy Girl	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:04:00 - [56] To sum up this entire thread: 1) There are global rules for SiSi (in the link posted before). 2) There are rules local to particular systems, which are written on beacons visible in the overview. 3) Breaking either set of rules may result in a ban. 4) Contesting the ban is pointless - you either knowingly broke the rules, or should have been aware of them. 5) Anyone on SiSi has the right to report violations of the rules to CCP. HOWEVER... 6) Reporting (or getting arsey and threatening to report) a minor violation of the rules, when that violation hasn't actually affected you directly, puts you into the category of human being known as "Jobsworth". It doesn't matter whether you are technically correct. As soon as you report it, you're a jobsworth. This may not matter to you. However, morally speaking you are now on a par with Traffic Wardens, Bus Ticket Inspectors, and Police Community Support Officers. You might be doing a valid job in the eyes of the authorities, but you're still an unpleasant aspect of society that right thinking people will try to steer clear of. If you don't accept that, then you clearly haven't "read the rules" of real life.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:14:00 - [57] Originally by: Sturdy Girl This may not matter to you. However, morally speaking you are now on a par with Traffic Wardens, Bus Ticket Inspectors, and Police Community Support Officers. You might be doing a valid job in the eyes of the authorities, but you're still an unpleasant aspect of society that right thinking people will try to steer clear of. Just to pick you up on this. I don't see it as a negative to have good morals - so saying that "morally speaking" you're on par with people who are community-minded or whatever isn't "a bad thing", unless you're the sort of person that has something to hide/lose. Whilst I wouldn't personally care too much about people fighting eachother consensually outside of a station, it is there in the rules so you can't blame anyone but yourself if/when you get banned. The fact someone actively reported you is academic really, you put yourself in that position. I often wonder what the motives are of people who call people jobsworth - typically they tend to be people who are quite happy to break rules so long as they think they can get away with it (e.g. speeding, etc). I don't think this is a particularly strong position to be in.
Sturdy Girl	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:34:00 - [58] Edited by: Sturdy Girl on 22/01/2009 13:36:46 Traffic Wardens, Bus Ticket Inspectors and Police Community Support Officers are not community minded. The first two categories are blatant revenue generators, the third category are busy-bodies who aren't well trained enough to be real cops but who still enjoy wandering about in a uniform telling people what to do. (Could you imagine wanting to do police drudge work as your hobby? Mental.) Also, regarding the term jobsworth: It is applied to anyone who enforces rules in a way which is divorced from the reality of the specific situation. It is obvious that in this case, the application of the rules has inconvenienced more people than failing to apply them would have done. I'm not saying the rule is wrong, merely that the blind application of it in this case is wrong. Incidentally - I'm not actually involved in any of this banning, and my position about breaking the rules and getting banned is clear (it is ones own fault). However, I feel that NightmareX ought to take a step back and consider WHY he's recieved flaming, as he seems indignant that anyone should disagree with him (he really ought to have expected it). I'm saying he was not wrong, but was being a hole. Also, over the speeding issue, speeding laws are complete nonsense. "Speed Kills" is a lie. Seriously. "Idiots Kill" would be more accurate. Eg, zooming at 140mph down an empty motorway at 05:00 in the morning doesn't actually tend to kill people. Zooming past a school at 60mph at 15:30 DOES tend to. Zooming to the hospital with someone gravely injured in the back of your car, at 140mph IS TECHNICALLY an offense. If you got prosecuted by police for that, how many newspapers would rip the police apart because of it? My point is that rules should only be obeyed up to a point, that point being where the rules didn't take into account more important laws (like the laws of physics, or the darwinian laws of survival), or where applying the rules makes you look like a total hole.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:51:00 - [59] Edited by: Durzel on 22/01/2009 13:51:50 It's an argument over semantics really. Breaking speed limits is against the law, whether or not you agree with them or not is academic. Rallying against laws doesn't make them not apply to you. Bringing up contrived justifications about why it's "ok" to speed in certain circumstances is a flawed argument. The limits (rules) are what they are - if you don't agree with them, break them - but don't complain when you're held accountable to them (FWIW I routinely speed outside of residential areas according to how fast I consider it safe to drive, but if/when I get caught I'm not going to go postal about "you should be catching murderers or rapists!!!1one"). I guess it's the difference between taking responsibility for ones actions (even if said actions mean breaking rules/laws) and not. I don't have a problem with people who take it on the chin when they've been caught doing something wrong, but I do have a problem with people who knowingly break rules/laws and then act indignant at either being caught or whatever punishment they already knew they would get. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.01.22 14:56:00 - [60] Originally by: Sturdy Girl Edited by: Sturdy Girl on 22/01/2009 13:36:46 Traffic Wardens, Bus Ticket Inspectors and Police Community Support Officers are not community minded. The first two categories are blatant revenue generators, the third category are busy-bodies who aren't well trained enough to be real cops but who still enjoy wandering about in a uniform telling people what to do. (Could you imagine wanting to do police drudge work as your hobby? Mental.) Also, regarding the term jobsworth: It is applied to anyone who enforces rules in a way which is divorced from the reality of the specific situation. It is obvious that in this case, the application of the rules has inconvenienced more people than failing to apply them would have done. I'm not saying the rule is wrong, merely that the blind application of it in this case is wrong. Incidentally - I'm not actually involved in any of this banning, and my position about breaking the rules and getting banned is clear (it is ones own fault). However, I feel that NightmareX ought to take a step back and consider WHY he's recieved flaming, as he seems indignant that anyone should disagree with him (he really ought to have expected it). I'm saying he was not wrong, but was being a hole. Also, over the speeding issue, speeding laws are complete nonsense. "Speed Kills" is a lie. Seriously. "Idiots Kill" would be more accurate. Eg, zooming at 140mph down an empty motorway at 05:00 in the morning doesn't actually tend to kill people. Zooming past a school at 60mph at 15:30 DOES tend to. Zooming to the hospital with someone gravely injured in the back of your car, at 140mph IS TECHNICALLY an offense. If you got prosecuted by police for that, how many newspapers would rip the police apart because of it? My point is that rules should only be obeyed up to a point, that point being where the rules didn't take into account more important laws (like the laws of physics, or the darwinian laws of survival), or where applying the rules makes you look like a total hole. Although your post is lawfully questionable, I dont feel afraid in saying that this is what most people think (and often live by).

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