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Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.01.30 21:10:00 - [121] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau pffft. wtz didn't change much, anyone worth killing had instas. The HP boosts in rev, now they killed PvP. But when they roamed into your space it got interesting.... However, you are right about the HP buff..... though I don't think reducing ship HP back to what it was will do much to fix PVP right now.... -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Alora Venoda GalTech Whiskey Creek Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.30 21:17:00 - [122] Originally by: Ticondrius Edited by: Ticondrius on 27/01/2009 04:07:55 Before instas trading got popular, I used to make my own. Got really good at it. Guess what? Instas ruined your Gate Camping fun LONG before WT0 ever landed. All you got to kill then were autopiloting idiots and noobs. I remember CLEARLY gate campers begging for CCP to make bookmarks impossible to make within the same grid as a gate, because it made it so hard to engage targets. this... ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Shirley Estyre	Posted - 2009.01.31 01:00:00 - [123] As you don't get rid off carebears you won't get rid off people looking for risk free ganking either.
OffBeaT Caldari KaMiKaZes	Posted - 2009.01.31 01:11:00 - [124] getting gate locked all the time in 00 space.. just cant move around any more with probs/bubbles everywhere.. no mods to counter them so you can move around without being made.. they still have system chat as well. real pussie bull**** to with scanning and probs these days.. they should only have station chat.
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2009.01.31 03:08:00 - [125] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Other than gatecampers, who here who was actually around for WT15 liked WT15? Those days were awful. I'm glad autopilot has stayed at WT15, but manual flying with that as the closest jump setting was just tedious and lame. what?? lots of us been here for a while man I had BM's of all the regions glad to get rid of those :) ....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.31 03:29:00 - [126] Edited by: HankMurphy on 31/01/2009 03:30:56 the hp buff nos changes speed changes warp to zero all the things they got rid of that made solo pvp possible. they listened to people that cried 'over powered' when they didn't realize one fundamental truth: whatever one man can do, any other one man can do and consequently any 2 men can counter. the only one of the above i can agree with somewhat was warp to zero and that was for the alleged BM/performance argument (though really, it would have been much better for them to find a server side solution to this rather than change the way the game is played) for those that weren't there eve was so much more different of a game. eve still is different but i think we have limited ourselves too much. it could be just personal nostalgia that i'll hold those days far above any in the future but i truly believe we were better off the was the game was then than we are now.
Violet Serena	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:10:00 - [127] 1. How do I UN-report someone? I "reported" the OP thinking I was clicking on "reply". Whatever! Originally by: Davien Thule Warp to 0. For the rest of you care bears it was your finest moment in this game. To all of you newbies who're just beginning I don't expect you to understand. Dude, I'm sorry that you now have to have a few friends to camp both sides of the gate at the same time. But just know the game remains pretty stupid in that people set up no-warpee-you bubbles at exatly 100km away from the gate, making "warp to x" pretty much useless, too. And if nothing else, a lack of "warp to 0" should, properly speaking, be seen as a crippling of your ship's ability for the purpose of giving gate campers a shot. Me love big, 2-sided gate camping, blockade running, 0.0 nuttiness. Me not like lame camping. Never did, going back to the old Quake days when people camped the rocket launcher or spawn points.
Xiaodown coracao ardente	Posted - 2009.01.31 15:46:00 - [128] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Dirk Magnum Other than gatecampers, who here who was actually around for WT15 liked WT15? Those days were awful. I'm glad autopilot has stayed at WT15, but manual flying with that as the closest jump setting was just tedious and lame. Me and wt15 was great actually gave the eve universe a sense of scale not like now when it takes 15 mins to go from end of eve to the other. Imma /signing this. Eve is too small; no one travels anymore. Also, in 0.0, instas gave you a sense of ownership. Like "Well, they could invade this region, but they're all going to have to have bookmarks" kind of thing.
Davien Thule	Posted - 2009.02.03 01:05:00 - [129] Originally by: mishkof Meh, all WTZ did was eliminate the mind numbing task of copying bookmarks for alts and corpies. Who needed that, seriously. I wouldnt venture anywhere for PVP if I didnt have the bookmarks for the entire region. So in that sense it limited my personal game. The disadvantage was just to great. There were times where I turned down PVP ops because I had to copy bookmarks for 45 minutes, and instead of doing either I logged off. There are hictors now, so I see that as a balancing factor for low-sec. I dont know if people dont use them, or if they are to lazy to, but that seems to clear up any problems from my perspective. Wouldn't venture anywhere for PvP? You are a complete carebear, ganking noob. Your perspective is faulty, and your opinion lacks.
Davien Thule	Posted - 2009.02.03 01:07:00 - [130] Originally by: Il Morte What ruined pvp is all the whining carebears. That is what ruined it. This ship is too powerful, this ship is too fast, this ship won't let me target lock. I get camped, I attacked them in thier system so now they blobbed me, they can see me on local and no I am gonna kill them, my history shows how old I am, wha wha wha. next thing you will say what is killing pvp is blue standings. You should not be able to see if someone is an ally or mate you should just know that and if you dont kil them. And carebears complaining that they need bookmarks, or they can't fly around risk-free.
Davien Thule	Posted - 2009.02.03 01:11:00 - [131] Originally by: Rennion Edited by: Rennion on 30/01/2009 12:49:08 Sorry but warp to zero does not only effect gatecamping... It effects all sorts from your likelyhood of bumping into another solo pilot, to your ability to warp into a fight and your ability to warp out of a fight (then instajump and be two systems away in seconds..) etc etc etc... Combine warp to zero with the speed nerfs and agility/align time boosts and GG matey, bring a blob or spend your time chasing shadows. Ever since WTZ it has become easier and easier to avoid a fight, how can anyone playing a pvp game think this is a good thing? In my ideal world we would go back to warp to 15km and it would be made immpossible to make a BM within 150km of a warpable object. Then scan res vs align time would be re-evaluated and I would need a new pair of pants. You're absolutely right.
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.02.03 01:13:00 - [132] Originally by: Davien Thule Warp to 0. For the rest of you care bears it was your finest moment in this game. To all of you newbies look, there's one right here! ------
Paper Airplane BEEs HIVE	Posted - 2009.02.03 01:26:00 - [133] real life
BrundleMeth Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.03 02:56:00 - [134] GAK As a two week old player I wonder what I got myself into here. I thought things looked pretty good but it sounds like everyone here is mostly unhappy. (I could be wrong I suppose). Warp to Zero, Copying Bookmarks, etc. Don't know what that means or why it's bad. It sounds like some people think "the good old days" were better. I just hope to have some fun here. And I never whine and I won't run away from a good PvP fight... Woot !!!
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.02.03 12:56:00 - [135] Originally by: Davien Thule Sure, if you count PvP to be 10+ ships to take out single frigates or cruisers. Or better yet, my friend and his buddy took two inties out to 0.0 and in the end had 2 capital ships + support trying to hunt them (do you think this was planned overkill, or were they just in those ships at the time? I suspect it was the latter.). PvP, to you care bears, is all about gank squads. (Isn't this what carebears are supposed to traditionally object to?) This post, and his subsequent posts, plus the fact that he is only a few months old, suggests Mr Thule is little more than a troll. Either that, or he's completely crap at PVP, and just whinging because he got ganked, rather than doing the ganking. The people I know that are good at PVP do not complain about PVP being dead, and I have seen no evidence that it is dead. What is different is that pirates now have to work for a living. What Mr Thule wants is no-risk kills so he can rack up those kill-mails. It is amazing though, how many people like to troll. I never understood why people need to try and annoy and irritate other people to alleviate their own feelings of inadaquacy.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.02.03 13:31:00 - [136] Originally by: Rennion Edited by: Rennion on 30/01/2009 12:49:08 Sorry but warp to zero does not only effect gatecamping... It effects all sorts from your likelyhood of bumping into another solo pilot, to your ability to warp into a fight and your ability to warp out of a fight (then instajump and be two systems away in seconds..) etc etc etc... Combine warp to zero with the speed nerfs and agility/align time boosts and GG matey, bring a blob or spend your time chasing shadows. Ever since WTZ it has become easier and easier to avoid a fight, how can anyone playing a pvp game think this is a good thing? In my ideal world we would go back to warp to 15km and it would be made immpossible to make a BM within 150km of a warpable object. Then scan res vs align time would be re-evaluated and I would need a new pair of pants. Yes, it has become easier to avoid a fight, but don't you think it was a little too easy to catch people beforehand? Obviously not. But this is the way it should be. Making it harder for people to flee will just make lowsec less enticing to people, and you will have fewer targets to shoot at. It boils down to this simple statement: You can have an easier time catching an individual, but with a massive drop in frequency, or you can have a smaller chance of catching them, and have a greater number of chances. Either way, it won't make too much difference, but the former means longer periods of inactivity, whereas the latter does give you plenty of things to do. The latter also pleases the majority which, like it or not, are those who venture into lowsec less often. And before the flames start stating this, that, and the other, representation in the forums is not representation of the whole, but most people must approve of it, as there would have been a flood of petitions and the game restored to the previous version. And don't tell me that people used to roam around on their own hunting, when we all know that nobody strays that far away from support, because it would be stupid to place yourself in a situation where you could be easily outnumbered and cut off. Well, sometimes people do go hunting alone deep in enemy space, but it's not the standard behaviour. A goon without a swarm does not prosper.
Torco Breed of Malakka	Posted - 2009.02.03 13:31:00 - [137] Falcons..... nuff said
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2009.02.03 13:36:00 - [138] Local pretty much bred the blob mentality and if that's carebear all the so called PvPers are one.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.02.03 13:49:00 - [139] I'm a carebear.
Neamus	Posted - 2009.02.03 13:50:00 - [140] Originally by: Davien Thule Warp to 0. For the rest of you care bears it was your finest moment in this game. To all of you newbies who're just beginning I don't expect you to understand. I think it was an excellent change. Getting from one place to another used to be a major chore. Going anywhere new meant a journey out and back again dedicated solely to setting up instas, on longer journeys this task used to take hours. Its not as if its suddenly become impossible to stop people either, there are more tools for it now than there were back then. Perhaps its a little more tricky in empire but imo its better balanced than it was. Branding people care bears and newbies because you're in the midst of an emorage doesn't do your argument any favours.
Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.03 14:20:00 - [141] Originally by: Neamus I think it was an excellent change. Getting from one place to another used to be a major chore. Going anywhere new meant a journey out and back again dedicated solely to setting up instas, on longer journeys this task used to take hours. Its not as if its suddenly become impossible to stop people either, there are more tools for it now than there were back then. Perhaps its a little more tricky in empire but imo its better balanced than it was. Branding people care bears and newbies because you're in the midst of an emorage doesn't do your argument any favours. This.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.03 14:59:00 - [142] Get rid of gates
Ubik Null Minmatar The Ore House	Posted - 2009.02.03 16:12:00 - [143] Didn't read the replies, so I'm sure it's been said already: Gate camping is not PvP, it's just a way of running missions without finding an agent. It's similar to being armed in an elevator and shooting people as they walk in. Warp to 0 has been in game since Beta, it's called bookmarks.
Faife Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.02.03 16:48:00 - [144] i didnt even know pvp was ruined. i'm still having fun.

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