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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
429
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:33:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:one reason is because it's so popular. everywhere you go, you see them being flown. that's why I don't want to fly it or the hurricane. sheep followers drakefleet, welpfleet, instacanes
such a lot of fun from just two battlecruiser hulls, and then there's the Tornado ~
Gypsio III wrote:When the 100-man Drake blobs started appearing, they were seething. Sounds amazing, did it have to do with ~ blobbing ~ by any chance? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1562
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:44:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Gypsio III wrote:When the 100-man Drake blobs started appearing, they were seething. Sounds amazing, did it have to do with ~ blobbing ~ by any chance?
Not really - there was lots of rage over carebearmobiles being worthwhile in PVP. It was kinda funny really.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
30
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:09:00 -
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Wait, "hate" as in people thinking it's too good, or people thinking it's not good enough? Because I've heard both about more than half of the ships in the game. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3420
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:36:00 -
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AstarothPrime wrote:Death Toll007 wrote:PVP Drake will rock even more!!!
Based on the latest proposed changes for the drake people will hate it even more. What I have read: 1. Reduced Sig Radius (unsure of the details) 2. Increased base speed (unsure of the details) 3. Reduced resists (no more +5% per level losing 20k EHP) 4. Higher DPS (Increased rate of fire means more DPS)
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PvE downside: No more uber tank :(
-DT TBH i think drake ruins much fun in this game as it is now. The possibility to outfit 3x LSE, 3x Invul, 3x purger, 4x shield power relay brick drake and fly it anywhere without issues due to 1000 DPS+ passive tank is just idiotic IMO... you try everything there is in this game that way and have nothing to look forward in future skilling. Removing that tank and helping gank a little will mean that you actually have ship AFTER drake to hop into... I.
Fly it anywhere without issues... right up until you meet a hostile with a friend, then you're a slow, dead turtle.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3420
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:37:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Wait, "hate" as in people thinking it's too good, or people thinking it's not good enough? Because I've heard both about more than half of the ships in the game.
It's just stupid snobbery. If the ship is a good tool for what you need to do, then use it. Who cares if it's also good for noobs doing level 3s? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:13:00 -
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Let me tell you a story.
Once apon a time there was a Gallente pilot who loved rails. Lets call him ummm "Werd" Werd was your standard Gallente gunboat loving stud, cutting his teeth on the Thorax and then the Brutix he learnt all kinds of neat skills to get the most out of his ships and weapons, worrying about transversal, ranges trying to balance the incoming damage by careful selecting of targets and actively managing his tank. Soon he was shooting down crusiers at 4km in his 425mm Megathron with no tracking mods, thanks to his piloting knowledge.
But one day something bad happened. Werd met a shifty Caldari who told him all about this ship called the Drake. Werd knew he shouldn't, he had been taught the dangers of Drake use but he did it anyway.
A week later he was found, drooling, orbiting a cargo can barely able to speak just mashing the big shiny red button that fired the missiles at whatever the hell it was he had managed to target. People stop and stare but Werd doesn't notice he just licks the windows inside stations. For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1563
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:43:00 -
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Drew Solaert wrote:Let me tell you a story.
Once apon a time there was a Gallente pilot who loved rails. Lets call him ummm "Werd" Werd was your standard Gallente gunboat loving stud, cutting his teeth on the Thorax and then the Brutix he learnt all kinds of neat skills to get the most out of his ships and weapons, worrying about transversal, ranges trying to balance the incoming damage by careful selecting of targets and actively managing his tank. Soon he was shooting down crusiers at 4km in his 425mm Megathron with no tracking mods, thanks to his piloting knowledge.
But one day something bad happened. Werd met a shifty Caldari who told him all about this ship called the Drake. Werd knew he shouldn't, he had been taught the dangers of Drake use but he did it anyway.
A week later he was found, drooling, orbiting a cargo can barely able to speak just mashing the big shiny red button that fired the missiles at whatever the hell it was he had managed to target. People stop and stare but Werd doesn't notice he just licks the windows inside stations.
The Drake is my go-to ship when I'm window licking drunk. There is a good reason for this.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
215
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:45:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:I love the Drake. You have to realize that people in this game go by a very specific code of unwritten laws. One of them is:
"If it works, it's overpowered." Yeah, that's the reason why they buff Drake and they should nerf Winmatar.
The reason why the Drake is getting buffed is because people want to see just how great the ship can get before becoming borderline overpowered. That's how ship balance should work anyway. Balance will be achieved when every ship is as best as it could possibly be and a buff of any kind would make it overpowered.
Minmatar is getting nerfed a bit because even up to this point, they are still MUCH more effective at PVP than any other faction.
Caldari- Only a handful of good PVP ships. However this is made up for by the fact they are some of the best ships in the game. Gallente- Plenty of viable PVP options, they are at the perfect level. Amarr- Lots of PVP ships though a good chunk of them are sub-par compared to similar ships of other races. Minmatar- Lots of PVP ships, all of them are good. |
Lili Lu
202
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:48:00 -
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I'm going to break up this thread of "what's the problem dude?" Speaking as a vocal drake hater (and user but not on this character ) it is because it is out of balance with other ships in it's class and a class above it.
Evidence: http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Look at the ships used on kills. Drake 273k, next ship Maelstrom 92k. That is a 3 to 1 ratio between the top ship and the 2nd most used ship. This ridiculous ratio has been there about every month for the last 2 or 3 years.
Why not field a full fleet of 40-50mil (or whatever the mineral inflated ship and mod price is these days) 2LSE buffer Drakes with a BS sized tank that can still dish about 350 or so dps at 70km and stand a decent chance to kill a similar sized AHAC or Geddon or whatever other BS fleet the opposing fleet has while they are committing well over 100mil per ship. You can't do this with a fleet of Harbingers, Myrms, or Canes. They do not have a BS sized buffer or in the case of the Myrm that does the dps is even less stellar and is destructible or locks you in one place (sentries).
Combine the BS sized shield buffer and the fact that shield transfer is instantaneous and you get another advantage over plated BSs. Then also try some other variants like perma-MWD Drakes and bombers have trouble hitting them. Also, megapulse geddons or 800mm AC fit ships will struggle a lot to apply damage at 70km. So those ships get kited.
Basically the problem with the Drake in pvp is that it is punching above it's weight. No other race of ships has such a BC. Sure there are cane fleets but they lack the tank and rely on a numbers advantage to get in close and apply neuts to big targets. Or they are used in small gang engagements again for their high but short range ac dps and neuting or longer range but much less dps arty alpha.
In pve, which has been the longer recognized problem the tank and damage projection again outclass other BCs. Add to it the ability to passive or fully passive shield tank (or mixed passive buffer shield transfer) the Drake and still do just enough dps to get the job done and sleeper neuts become less of an issue. Again no other racial BC can do this, Myrm can sport the tank but sleepers kill drones. Drake tanks in general can be configured to outlast and outshine any BS tank except for a Rattler (but of course that is passive shield as well) or a Hyperion for the few minutes that cap charges last.
This is why the Drake gets hate from players like myself that don't want Drake/Tengu Online to continue and why it will get an adjustment. CCP finally after the evidence has been there for a very long time conceded that the ship is out of balance. Don't worry though only non-Caldari ships get nerfed into the stone age. It took no time at all for the Myrm to get dropped from 125 bandwidth to 75. Damps and damp ships were nerfed into the stone age after one alliance tournament of heavy damp use. Meanwhile we've had multiple years of heavy ecm boat and drake use in alliance tournaments with not reaction so far. ECM got nerfed but the specialized boats got an immediate rebuff (30% per level bonuses ). So of course ecm boats still are go to in alliance tournaments and small gang pvp.
So anyway don't fret it if you love your cake and eat it too easy mode Drake. You won't get nerfed into futility. It will probably be a good ship still. This appears to be the result of many years of Caldari dominanace in character population and ship use. CCP won't give you the same treatment it has given at times to other races and ship types.
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Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:58:00 -
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People hate the Drake because it gets engaged, receives a bunch of gifts, then breaks up and donates the gifts to charity. The Drake is a selfish bastard. |
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
407
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Posted - 2012.04.21 01:56:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Evidence: http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Look at the ships used on kills. Drake 273k, next ship Maelstrom 92k. That is a 3 to 1 ratio between the top ship and the 2nd most used ship. This ridiculous ratio has been there about every month for the last 2 or 3 years.
This is a pet peeve of mine: it is the highest because the CFC uses them extensively. The Maelstrom is #2 because the CFC uses them less than Drakes. If the CFC decided tomorrow to fly Laser Feroxes, they'd fly right up the EVE-Kill Top 20 rankings in short order. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
425
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Posted - 2012.04.21 02:56:00 -
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people hate drakes because of DRAEK. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Lili Lu
202
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Posted - 2012.04.21 03:04:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Lili Lu wrote:Evidence: http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Look at the ships used on kills. Drake 273k, next ship Maelstrom 92k. That is a 3 to 1 ratio between the top ship and the 2nd most used ship. This ridiculous ratio has been there about every month for the last 2 or 3 years. This is a pet peeve of mine: it is the highest because the CFC uses them extensively. The Maelstrom is #2 because the CFC uses them less than Drakes. If the CFC decided tomorrow to fly Laser Feroxes, they'd fly right up the EVE-Kill Top 20 rankings in short order. No, it's not just the CFC use of Drakes. This pattern has been steady for years now, maybe not as pronbounced as 3 to 1 but drakes have remained top used over that time.
It's not just the recent CFC adoption of the drake over Maels as their main BS. Evoke uses drakes. -A-/Stainwagon used drakes. ****, you guys are straying from the Moonin and using drakes and tengus now aren't you? Everyone has used drakes heavily. |
Kalli Brixzat
9
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Posted - 2012.04.21 05:01:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Lili Lu wrote:Evidence: http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Look at the ships used on kills. Drake 273k, next ship Maelstrom 92k. That is a 3 to 1 ratio between the top ship and the 2nd most used ship. This ridiculous ratio has been there about every month for the last 2 or 3 years. This is a pet peeve of mine: it is the highest because the CFC uses them extensively. The Maelstrom is #2 because the CFC uses them less than Drakes. If the CFC decided tomorrow to fly Laser Feroxes, they'd fly right up the EVE-Kill Top 20 rankings in short order.
I'm sure that plays into it, but it's not THE reason.
The real reason is because the Drake is probably the best bang for the buck in the game. Best combination of firepower, survivability and versatility for the cost. It is that by a country mile.
Corp FC's like Drakes because the cost of loss is low with solid performance. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
407
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Posted - 2012.04.21 06:49:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:No, it's not just the CFC use of Drakes. This pattern has been steady for years now, maybe not as pronbounced as 3 to 1 but drakes have remained top used over that time.
When the CFC used only Maelstroms, Maelstroms were #1, with Abaddons (flown by their enemy) being #2 and once they adopted Welpcanes, Canes flipped between the 2 and 3 spots.
Quote:It's not just the recent CFC adoption of the drake over Maels as their main BS . Evoke uses drakes. -A-/Stainwagon used drakes.
And lost to actual BS. Repeatedly. Pointedly. For months on end. Like every other battlecruiser in the game.
Quote:****, you guys are straying from the Moonin and using drakes and tengus now aren't you? Everyone has used drakes heavily.
Drake week happens every once in awhile in BL, has been that way since before I joined a year ago. We do it because it's a better learning platform than a Muninn for gang pvp. Meanwhile Tengus are a hard-counter (appropriately employed) against Alphafleet that we've been fighting. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.04.21 08:02:00 -
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Draek will be way overpowered after buff.
It can do already: - tank Concord - tank sieged dread - it survives one DD |
Darthewok
Perkone Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.04.21 08:22:00 -
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- Kiting, sig tanking, neuting doesn't counter Drake well
- Punches above its weight in large groups for fleets
- Punches above its weight in PVE
- Relatively cheap as chips in replacement cost after insurance
These 5 factors combined make Drake a bit too good. Just wait for it to get nerfed before the Hurricane OP cries start emerging. CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
86
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Posted - 2012.04.21 08:34:00 -
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I like to Solo in this
Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Invul II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Small EMP Smart Bomb II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
5x Warrior II Or 5x ECM
Webs are not for tackle. they are for GTFO.
Smart Bomb for Drones. http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3422
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Posted - 2012.04.21 13:29:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Mfume Apocal wrote:Lili Lu wrote:Evidence: http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Look at the ships used on kills. Drake 273k, next ship Maelstrom 92k. That is a 3 to 1 ratio between the top ship and the 2nd most used ship. This ridiculous ratio has been there about every month for the last 2 or 3 years. This is a pet peeve of mine: it is the highest because the CFC uses them extensively. The Maelstrom is #2 because the CFC uses them less than Drakes. If the CFC decided tomorrow to fly Laser Feroxes, they'd fly right up the EVE-Kill Top 20 rankings in short order. No, it's not just the CFC use of Drakes. This pattern has been steady for years now, maybe not as pronbounced as 3 to 1 but drakes have remained top used over that time. It's not just the recent CFC adoption of the drake over Maels as their main BS . Evoke uses drakes. -A-/Stainwagon used drakes. ****, you guys are straying from the Moonin and using drakes and tengus now aren't you? Everyone has used drakes heavily.
However Drakes are much less heavily used than when they were the de facto fleet ship in the horrible post-Dominion lag days. There are plenty of viable non-Drake fleet options - probably more now than ever - but Drakes will continue to be popular for as long as they're cheap, easy to skill for and easy to fly. It's not like there are no viable counters to a Drake fleet either; Hellcats, alphafleet and sniper tier 3s all spring to mind. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Lili Lu
202
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:18:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote: When the CFC used only Maelstroms, Maelstroms were #1, with Abaddons (flown by their enemy) being #2 and once they adopted Welpcanes, Canes flipped between the 2 and 3 spots. Sure Maelstroms were well represented in those stats. I don't think you are correct that they held dominance for any significant period of time. Drakes were and have been used by so many others even the blob of CFC couldn't reverse the Drake stats. If someone has access to an evekill set of last day of the month top-20 snapshots for the last 3 years please link it. I could be wrong, but I don't think so because I've been following that page and I don't remember any meaningful diminution in Drake top placement. I will conced that 3 to one drakes over second place has not been consistent. It has been a lesser ratio.
Mfume Apocal wrote: And lost to actual BS. Repeatedly. Pointedly. For months on end. Like every other battlecruiser in the game. Stainwagon and -A- drake fleets lost to BSs like that because frankly they saw PL involvement, increasing enemy numbers, and turtled up. I fought their drake fleets a lot in INIT. There did come a time when the political situation, and subcap and supercap fleet numbers, overwhelmed -A-/stainwagon (which is not to say that they fought well before that time). But even then they found that at a certain fleet sized tipping point Drakes beat AHACs (whereas at lesser numbers AHACs>drakes). Point still stands that large Drake fleets are a cheap and viable fleet option that no other BC can perform in taking on opposing large fleets.
Mfume Apocal wrote: Drake week happens every once in awhile in BL, has been that way since before I joined a year ago. We do it because it's a better learning platform than a Muninn for gang pvp. Meanwhile Tengus are a hard-counter (appropriately employed) against Alphafleet that we've been fighting. Again though my point stands. Would you guys put together a fleet of any other tier 1 or 2 BCs to fight the CFC? No. Canes are probably the second best option and their shield tank is simply too flimsy for large fleet battles. Tier 3 BC fleets are not a slugging it out option. They are great for mobile periphery killing if you are in a coalition of alliances on the field and someone else is providing the BS (or Drake, heh) tanking main meatshield fleet. On their own tier 3s are not going to save system sov and tech towers |
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Lili Lu
202
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:42:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: However Drakes are much less heavily used than when they were the de facto fleet ship in the horrible post-Dominion lag days. There are plenty of viable non-Drake fleet options - probably more now than ever - but Drakes will continue to be popular for as long as they're cheap, easy to skill for and easy to fly. It's not like there are no viable counters to a Drake fleet either; Hellcats, alphafleet and sniper tier 3s all spring to mind. Mfume is correct CFC use of Maels has had a significant impact on their placement in the evekill stats, but then same for canes and drakes. Regardless Drakes still proliferate for the reasons that even you agree, "as long as they're cheap, easy to skill for and easy to fly." But those quoted reasons alone are not enough to explain why they and no other tier 1 or 2 BCs enjoy being used as a main fleet type. It is the oversized tank and the ability to project their full damage (even if that is not spectacular it is sufficient) at 70km.
As for counters, sure if you know the opposition is in Drakes again then don't bring pulse geddons because unless you get some lucky warpins and adept tackle you will just lose, so instead bring something to try to outrange (tier 3 snipe) or out(or tbh equally)tank (abaddon) or alpha (massed artillery).
Again though Malc, the problem is that Drakes alone of all tier 1 and 2 BCs are sitting as a main battle ship among Battleships. It's a friggin BC but it has the utility of a BS.
It is good to see that Rokhs are now being used alongside Maels. I would love cruises get some kind of buff that wouldn't make them pve on easy mode but would make them viable for fleet actions. If we could have mixed Raven and Tempest (a ship I have always thought should be reworked to have a shield focus) fleets, and maybe reworked Hyperion. Or if we could on the armor side have cruises make phoons viable in a mixed armor tanking BS fleet. There was a time when snipe BSs ruled when we did not have monoculture fleets. That was great.
But unfortunately we have a situation now where fleets are either Maels, Abaddons, or Drakes, with Drakes winning out frankly because they are much easier on the wallet to produce, fit, and lose.
Btw, it saddens me immensely to see INIT using Drakes all the time now |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
160
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Posted - 2012.04.21 17:12:00 -
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Its a love-hate relationship.
I love its versatility, you can pretty much use it for anything, when I got a 2nd account alt, its the first thing I trained for. If you want an all purpose ship, the Drake is that ship.
Its hated because no other ship comes close to its versatility - where is the balance?
About the only thing the drake can't do is tackle well, and mining/industrial tasks (Most BS's can be fit to mine decently, but nobody is going to go from a drake to a BS for mining.....) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3423
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Posted - 2012.04.21 17:50:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Btw, it saddens me immensealy to see INIT using Drakes all the time now
Why? If they're so "overpowered", then surely it makes sense to use them, right?
But actually we always seem to be running tier 3 fleets when i log in, not Drakes. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
423
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:00:00 -
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Talok Ren wrote:I was looking to upgrade from my Cormorant to start doing some lvl 2 missions and was told that the Drake would be a good ship to get, so I trained all the necessary skills, found a seemingly decent loadout and started saving the ISK for it. Then I started seeing a lot of players hating on it and making general fun of others who pilot them with no real reason given. Can anyone inform me as to why this is, or Is this more of a PVP/balance issue?
I am really wanting a decent missile boat, is there a better ship for level 2 missions or should I just dismiss the negativity towards the ship since I'm mainly doing PVE missions?
Because it can do anything pretty much. PPl hate versatility in this game
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3423
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:00:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:
Again though Malc, the problem is that Drakes alone of all tier 1 and 2 BCs are sitting as a main battle ship among Battleships. It's a friggin BC but it has the utility of a BS.
A drake has significantly less tank than a fleet BS, and less damage too. That said, why is it a problem that Drakes are viable, if somewhat underpowered, fleet ships?
Arty canes can do the snipe alpha thing in a way that Drakes just can't, AC canes can be fit to do 900 DPS which no Drake can.
I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing a problem here. Drakes aren't uncounterable, they don't obselete battleships, they don't obselete other tier 2 battlecruisers - all of which can do things well that the drake can't, although the Harby could use some optimal love and the Myrm needs 100 Mbit bandwidth - they're popular because they allow new players to get involved in the big fleet action that many of them no doubt joined the game hoping to see after watching CCP's lovely trailers. Should we be telling them NO FLEET FOR YOU FOR TWO YEARS based on some abstract notion of racial fairness?
Come to think of it, Goons have a Hurricane based fleet doctrine too, IIRC.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Lili Lu
203
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Lili Lu wrote:Btw, it saddens me immensealy to see INIT using Drakes all the time now Why? If they're so "overpowered", then surely it makes sense to use them, right? But actually we always seem to be running tier 3 fleets when i log in, not Drakes. But I said sadens for the historical juxtaposition with the former -A- v INIT contests.
I also said saddens, not confuses. Of course why not use a ship that is a cheap but overpowered alternative. Can't blame anyone for doing what CCP has left too easy for too long. But I can still criticize the situation for all alliances in general, and summon my best Worf voice to proclaim that it lacks honor.
edit - come on Malc your examples all lack full fleet viability. 900 dps hurricanes? where's the tank? where's the range? Yeah welp canes are a go to fleet for internet sov is serious business battles? and of course canes are always sitting in first place in the top 20 by huge margins? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3423
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:12:00 -
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"Stop using a screwdriver to put those screws into that board! A TRUE WARRIOR uses only a hammer or an axe!!!!" Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3423
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:14:00 -
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Also they're not overpowered you big sexyvoiced crybaby.
Let's imagine the following scenario:
80 Hellcats + 20 Guardians + 20 assorted support engage 120 Drakes + 30 Scimis + 20 assorted support
I won't ask who wins, because the Drakes are going to get their **** pushed in, I'll just ask for your estimate of how long it will take for the Drake FC to ask for a cyno for the supercaps? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Lili Lu
203
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:31:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Also they're not overpowered you big sexyvoiced crybaby.
Let's imagine the following scenario:
80 Hellcats + 20 Guardians + 20 assorted support engage 120 Drakes + 30 Scimis + 20 assorted support
I won't ask who wins, because the Drakes are going to get their **** pushed in, I'll just ask for your estimate of how long it will take for the Drake FC to ask for a cyno for the supercaps? Have to admit I lack your recent experience with such a hypothetical encounter. ******* work and less eve time. I'm reduced to crying here on the forums.
However, talkabout sexy. 30 scimis looks pretty sexy to me. Can those drakes have ecm drones. I would think 20 ecm'd guardians won't hold up the baddons very long. But I suppose I should take your word for it as my recent experience is lacking.
Regardless, the issue is not can Drakes be beat. It is where are the Harbinger and Myrm fleets? Why is there one tech I BC sitting among BSs and Tech III ships for comprising the backbone of a fleet? Why is a Drake the easiest and fastest entry to level 4s for characters starting out, while other races have to train BS? Why is the Drake a pve and pvp powerhouse while none of the others are? |
Darthewok
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Anyway, this discussion is going to be irrelevant. Drake will be changed.
The real question is when is the change going to occur. And after the change, how will this affect the popularity of Drake in PVE, PVP and fleet tactics? CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
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