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Talok Ren
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:28:00 -
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I was looking to upgrade from my Cormorant to start doing some lvl 2 missions and was told that the Drake would be a good ship to get, so I trained all the necessary skills, found a seemingly decent loadout and started saving the ISK for it. Then I started seeing a lot of players hating on it and making general fun of others who pilot them with no real reason given. Can anyone inform me as to why this is, or Is this more of a PVP/balance issue?
I am really wanting a decent missile boat, is there a better ship for level 2 missions or should I just dismiss the negativity towards the ship since I'm mainly doing PVE missions? |
Flash Morden
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:52:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with the Drake. It's functional with low SP count, which makes it popular among younger players.
It is a bit boring, that's why people give it a bad rap. This sums Caldari up nicely and to make matters worse the drake has even less buttons. |
FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:53:00 -
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Haters gonna hate.
The Drake is a superb Level 2 and 3 mission boat. Probably nothing better out there for that purpose.
There is a lot of Drake hate because traditionally it was a ship that was so awesome in PvE and terrible in PvP. Idiots would try to PvP in their uber-passive tank Drake with no prop mod, no BCUs, and T1 guns and get whelped. Now, everyone and their dog flies a Drake for PvP, which engenders another kind of hatred for it from those who still see it as a low-SP FOTM meatshield ship.
Long and short of it: fly the Drake and don't give a damn what other people think. |
Arazel Chainfire
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:56:00 -
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the negativity towards the drake mostly lies mostly in the area of PvP. Of course, before the tengu came out, there was also a good bit on the PvE side, but now that they can complain about the tengu you shouldn't have to worry too much about the drake. As long as you understand that you really should upgrade from it (eventually). Also, since everyone flies them, obviously they're OP ::sarcasm::
A drake is good for up to lvl 3 missions (though it is possible to slowly do 4's with them), and up to class 2 WH's. It can also work for ratting/anoms in lowsec/nullsec, and in groups in higher lvl WH's and missions, though it won't really work for incursions. For lvl 2's you might be better off in an assault missile caracel, because of the speed warping/getting to gates, but since one leads right into the other that isn't that big an issue.
Once you start looking at PvP, you start seeing why lots of people hate on it - its a brick that can do mediocre dps at mediocre ranges and can't really do too much utility. Also, the drake has a reputation as a giant brick because of PvEr's taking their PvE drake with full passive tank out and PvPing with it - they aren't very effective at actually killing things, like that, but are a real PITA to take out. Now, fit properly, a PvP drake is pretty decent, though it will never get the DPS of something like a gank brutix. But because they are rarely ever primaried, you can rely on that dps being there for most of the fight.
-Arazel |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:57:00 -
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The Drake is pimp. I like it. Then again, I like most everything these days.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
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Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc.
Armada Assail
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:59:00 -
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Spider tanking drakes for C3 Sites. Even tanked a cloaky Protus with it, he couldn`t break my tanking, I couldn`t break his, so we part as friends. lovely story, specially the protus part |
Kalli Brixzat
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:03:00 -
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The "brick" Drake was a great ship. Boring as all hell to fly, but very effective for what it is. It's capable of steamrolling any L3 out there, and with some support skills up, you can solo all but a few L4's. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
211
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:06:00 -
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I love the Drake. You have to realize that people in this game go by a very specific code of unwritten laws. One of them is:
"If it works, it's overpowered." |
Talok Ren
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:09:00 -
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Ok, thanks for the info, I'll stick with the Drake for now since I'll only be doing missions for the time being.
Cheers =) |
Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
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Posted - 2012.04.20 04:02:00 -
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Ive got some drakes. I carebear in them. I hate them with every fiber of my being, but ill use them.
+ Theyre simple to fly, take tons of punishment, and have good damage projection.
- If you use it too much, your brain atrophies. I kid you not. |
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loki energon
Voodoo Children
Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.20 04:29:00 -
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i loved my drake so much i bought three of them. a pimped out T2, faction modded death machine thatll solo most L4 missions.
a dps heavy HAM drake for pvp, and a regular T2 fitted WH ship.
let em hate. the drake is a great all around bruiser, well fit, it can make alot of ISK in short time. most of the money i spend on cool toys and new fits, i earned on the bridge of my trusty drake.
dont get me wrong, i utilze other ships for other things, but for sheer earning prowess, my drake wins hands down.
kill em all. |
Marcus Ichiro
Rust Corp
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 04:44:00 -
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loki energon wrote:a pimped out T2, faction modded death machine thatll solo most L4 missions
Sorry but you're just begging to get ganked if you're regularly using it for L4's. You could fit a Raven for probably the same cost and do L4's twice as fast. |
Death Toll007
Fleet of Doom
Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2012.04.20 04:48:00 -
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PVP Drake will rock even more!!!
Based on the latest proposed changes for the drake people will hate it even more.
What I have read:
1. Reduced Sig Radius (unsure of the details)
2. Increased base speed (unsure of the details)
3. Reduced resists (no more +5% per level losing 20k EHP)
4. Higher DPS (Increased rate of fire means more DPS)
Essentially I trade 20k EHP for 30% increase in DPS, reduced sig radius, and increase the speed. For PvP she's going to make a lot of people cry. Those without the skills will whine for their losses, those facing off against those with the skills will whine for their losses, and all the while forum rants of OP!!!! OP!!!! OP!!!! will be prevalent. I look forward to all the sustinance... er... tears.
Currently run a PbP setup with 80k ehp and 700dps. With this new change will be 60K ehp, and 930dps... sure I'm flimsier, but imagine the drake fleets now... 30 man fleet of drakes hits as if it is 40, and dies like it was 23, love the trade!!!!
PvE downside: No more uber tank :(
-DT |
Boomhaur
11
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Posted - 2012.04.20 05:04:00 -
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Drake is an effective ship it can do ANY lv4 mission, I know because I have done it in the past. And not so distant past when I accidently popped my nighthawk and had to resort to my backup drake which was collecting dust for quite a few years. With the right skills (max missiles skills in my case) it can do lv4 missions with a pretty decent speed if you know what your doing, though with only ok skills it's severely lacking while doing lv4 missions.
For lv3 missions there is nothing better, that a newer character can relistically use.
Most of the hatred comes from cookie cutter ship designs newer players use and how it has a carebear association image since it's ease of use. But with the right skills it can be quite deadly, but it takes awhile for it to truely shine that way in my opinion. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.20 06:08:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:I love the Drake. You have to realize that people in this game go by a very specific code of unwritten laws. One of them is:
"If it works, it's overpowered."
Yeah, that's the reason why they buff Drake and they should nerf Winmatar. |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.04.20 06:09:00 -
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Death Toll007 wrote:PVP Drake will rock even more!!!
Based on the latest proposed changes for the drake people will hate it even more.
What I have read:
1. Reduced Sig Radius (unsure of the details)
2. Increased base speed (unsure of the details)
3. Reduced resists (no more +5% per level losing 20k EHP)
4. Higher DPS (Increased rate of fire means more DPS)
Essentially I trade 20k EHP for 30% increase in DPS, reduced sig radius, and increase the speed. For PvP she's going to make a lot of people cry. Those without the skills will whine for their losses, those facing off against those with the skills will whine for their losses, and all the while forum rants of OP!!!! OP!!!! OP!!!! will be prevalent. I look forward to all the sustinance... er... tears.
Currently run a PbP setup with 80k ehp and 700dps. With this new change will be 60K ehp, and 930dps... sure I'm flimsier, but imagine the drake fleets now... 30 man fleet of drakes hits as if it is 40, and dies like it was 23, love the trade!!!!
PvE downside: No more uber tank :(
-DT
This man speaks the truth. If those changes go live, it will then be 'nerfed' to have the same tank as all of the other BCs (boo hoo), and have way more DPS. It's going to be horridly overpowered.
People hate the Drake because it is too good at everything. Excellent at PvE, solo PVP, and Fleet PVP. It has roughly TWICE as many PvP kills as the next closest ship (the cane) every month. (And people can say what they want, but that is absolute proof that it is unbalanced - people don't over-use something because it is gimped). There will always be ships that are better at some things, and not others. The Drake is not one of those - it is good at everything. It needs a good old fashioned nerfing.
All that being said - as a new player you should absolutely fly it - especially for PvE. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
173
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Posted - 2012.04.20 06:10:00 -
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They've been mishandled by thousands of previous users, it tends to leave a stench on the reputation of the Drake.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.20 06:14:00 -
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Arazel Chainfire wrote:Once you start looking at PvP, you start seeing why lots of people hate on it - its a brick that can do mediocre dps at mediocre ranges and can't really do too much utility. Also, the drake has a reputation as a giant brick because of PvEr's taking their PvE drake with full passive tank out and PvPing with it - they aren't very effective at actually killing things, like that, but are a real PITA to take out. Now, fit properly, a PvP drake is pretty decent, though it will never get the DPS of something like a gank brutix. But because they are rarely ever primaried, you can rely on that dps being there for most of the fight.
Yep, which is why people LOVE it when they meet fleet after fleet of just drakes ! They're cheap and expendable too.
Add 30ish logistics ships to 200 drakes, command ships, random blackbirds and rifters or whatever and bang, it's a party 
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.04.20 06:29:00 -
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Hrett wrote:and have way more DPS
While I want to see Drake with more DPS, range is a bit unfair compared to HurriCane/Harbinger. While TDs don't have any effect on missiles one Curse can pretty much disable one HurriCane/Harbinger completely. Drakes eat Curses for breakfast. |
AstarothPrime
Eternal Profiteers
Persona Non Gratis
9
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Posted - 2012.04.20 06:57:00 -
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Its because:
1) almost all new players fly exclusively drake for one year, till they train up for something bigger
2) Passive no brain tank and little to no DPS in non kinetic type = dull and boring
3) missiles are annoying in PVP because you ALLWAYS have a feeling you aint shooting the primary due to missile flight time
4) Every proper FOTM cynabal and vagabond outrun your heavy missiles on semilong distance (40-50km) making gatefights dull and boring, you cant "surprise" anything
I jump into a drake only because its ubercheap PvP vessel and it has 101 way to fit it for various missions...
I. |
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AstarothPrime
Eternal Profiteers
Persona Non Gratis
9
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:03:00 -
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Death Toll007 wrote:PVP Drake will rock even more!!!
Based on the latest proposed changes for the drake people will hate it even more.
What I have read:
1. Reduced Sig Radius (unsure of the details)
2. Increased base speed (unsure of the details)
3. Reduced resists (no more +5% per level losing 20k EHP)
4. Higher DPS (Increased rate of fire means more DPS)
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PvE downside: No more uber tank :(
-DT
TBH i think drake ruins much fun in this game as it is now. The possibility to outfit 3x LSE, 3x Invul, 3x purger, 4x shield power relay brick drake and fly it anywhere without issues due to 1000 DPS+ passive tank is just idiotic IMO... you try everything there is in this game that way and have nothing to look forward in future skilling.
Removing that tank and helping gank a little will mean that you actually have ship AFTER drake to hop into...
I. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
267
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:54:00 -
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People used to hate the Drake because back in 2007 it was generally thought that it was a PVE-only carebearmobile that could do nothing in PVP but die slowly. Later, when they discovered that it was a very good solo/small-gang BC, they got even angrier. When the 100-man Drake blobs started appearing, they were seething. 
Anyway, if the Drake is overpowered then so is the Hurricane. Nerf all t2 BCs. |
jagholas kiri
Sons of Retribution
Malice Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:55:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:I love the Drake. You have to realize that people in this game go by a very specific code of unwritten laws. One of them is:
"If it works, it's overpowered." Yeah, that's the reason why they buff Drake and they should nerf Winmatar.
Gallente are OP now...
Not winmatar. |
Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
29
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:22:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:The Drake is pimp. I like it. Then again, I like most everything these days.
-Liang
Motion for a "Liang Inspected and Approved" label on ships for all the newbs to learn to violence in
ED: Not that experimentation shouldn't be encouraged
The Irukandji is recruiting PVP pilots! APPLY NAO. You won't regret it.
See our info at : -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70811&find=unread |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1138
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:11:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:I love the Drake. You have to realize that people in this game go by a very specific code of unwritten laws. One of them is:
"If it works, it's overpowered." Yeah, that's the reason why they buff Drake and they should nerf Winmatar.
My Cane's Republic Fleet Phased Plasma would like to have a word with you 
Actually if changes are those mentioned I'll fly it even more than now, the +rof and missile speed will make Heavy Assault Missiles very effective but seems missiles are getting some attention for escalation so I'm inclined to think nex drake version will be an excellent gank machine (700dps shouldn't be difficult to fit) with still huge tank (can easily keep 70k EHP)
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1138
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:22:00 -
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jagholas kiri wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:I love the Drake. You have to realize that people in this game go by a very specific code of unwritten laws. One of them is:
"If it works, it's overpowered." Yeah, that's the reason why they buff Drake and they should nerf Winmatar. Gallente are OP now... Not winmatar.
You should stop playing with your society of alts at gates and join some good gangs to figure out it's not even close to be OP for everything else than Gate and station camps, the hybrids rebalance IS a FAKE.
Should Gallente Navy install hundreds more gates and stay at station undocks in each system to at least try to keep their frontiers. It's a very poor game play style in a game where with 3 buttons you can do everything, hell you have to openn windows for nothing just to have the feeling you're using skills
Gallente were good at ganking on belts, gate camps and station undcks, they got a huge dps/range buff so they can be even better at gank gate and station camping because they're horrible at everything else, just like before the supposed rebalance.
If you play everything else than solo and (very) small gang and away from high sec and low sec station undocks/gates you have no interest on flying those.
Indeed Gallente are really op ... |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:58:00 -
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- cost effective
- low SP
- easy to fly
- easy to tank
- can solo lvl4s and C3 anoms (!!!)
- looks fuckin' badass
how can you not hate that? |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
116
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:30:00 -
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one reason is because it's so popular. everywhere you go, you see them being flown. that's why I don't want to fly it or the hurricane. sheep followers
On holiday. -áIn some other world.
Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours.
To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á
It was a sun |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:02:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:one reason is because it's so popular. everywhere you go, you see them being flown. that's why I don't want to fly it or the hurricane. sheep followers
Be a rebel. Fly the Bellicose.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
193
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:07:00 -
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Easy, it's because Drakes aren't blimps, and blimps are pretty pimp. |
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