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Dr NAthan
Narcolepsy Industries Absolute Damage Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:27:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Ai Shun wrote:JinSanJong wrote:Ai Shun wrote:evereplicant wrote:And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer! Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else! Or were you after a reward without having to work for it? Stop coming out with stupid stupid answers.... What, so it is impossible to claim a system anymore? When did CCP remove that feature? Oh. Right. You're in the lazy "gimme" brigade. Sod off and go play WoW. It might be more suited to you. There they give you candy for logging in and Epics for managing to turn your character around. It is not a point of working for it at all. So calm down and take some valium sonny. The plain FACT is that these alliances have built up a massive resource over yes a few years, but eve a few years ago was a completely different beast! and whole lot less players, capitals etc etc. Eve is now saturated. It is IMPOSSIBLE and thats a FACT for anyone to build up an alliance with out being a pet, and then geting no moons anyway for being a pet. People simply dont have 100s of caps, supers, titans thats now needed to take a moon in their back pocket jeez! Dont you understand that simple matter? I remember when all you had was a 50-100 man fleet of BS to kill a POS and some dreads. Not like that anymore! Each BS has now been replaced by a titan or a super FACT All the large alliances are people who have played the game for along time (well the leaders mainly) but people like NCDOT have all the old tri players from years ago etc. They have just been recycled into another alliance. Its difficult recruiting nevermind trying to build up an alliance to takeon the big boys. I mean look at Evoke, NCDOT, Raiden all very very established alliances wiht supers, titans etc all struggles to keep the tech moons in Venal, and its not come to a stage where there is a pact in place! So please GTFO coming out with get an army and go take a moon BS!
This pretty much puts things into perspective for all though deluded morons saying "Get a gang together and go take some of the pie"
Yeah, I would love to see how that works out when 20 caps are dropped on you just for the lols, get a grip you lot, lets remember that these guys make a living from holding space, it's what they use to feed their families, Goo is the major contributor to RMT, they take this stuff more than seriously, it's not a game to them.
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Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
53
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:32:00 -
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JinSanJong wrote:Jastra wrote:dunno, I suspect most people watched fanfest and you didnt ? I guess you didnt either, seeing you was unable to offer any insight or even answer or even a link or ... forget it....
Moon goo will be minable from asteroid belts. Not sure which belts, but it remove the strong hold alliance have as any Joe Schmo will be able to mine "moon goo" solo. |

Ackemi
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
3
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:52:00 -
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Space gotta have something to fight for or the reason for null is void! 
On a different topic:
I have no problems with faucets and also none with sinks, but when what comes out of the faucet doesn't go down the sink I gotta call the plumber.
Thoughts for the MD forums...
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
423
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:54:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:It is not a point of working for it at all. So calm down and take some valium sonny. The plain FACT is that these alliances have built up a massive resource over yes a few years, but eve a few years ago was a completely different beast! and whole lot less players, capitals etc etc. Eve is now saturated. It is IMPOSSIBLE and thats a FACT for anyone to build up an alliance with out being a pet, and then geting no moons anyway for being a pet. People simply dont have 100s of caps, supers, titans thats now needed to take a moon in their back pocket jeez! Dont you understand that simple matter? I remember when all you had was a 50-100 man fleet of BS to kill a POS and some dreads. Not like that anymore! Each BS has now been replaced by a titan or a super FACT All the large alliances are people who have played the game for along time (well the leaders mainly) but people like NCDOT have all the old tri players from years ago etc. They have just been recycled into another alliance. Its difficult recruiting nevermind trying to build up an alliance to takeon the big boys.
I mean look at Evoke, NCDOT, Raiden all very very established alliances wiht supers, titans etc all struggles to keep the tech moons in Venal, and its not come to a stage where there is a pact in place! So please GTFO coming out with get an army and go take a moon BS!
So you acknowledge the fact that it took years for the current powerblocks to form and rise to where they are now. But you are somehow special and you want to be there right now without going through the same process. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
160
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:24:00 -
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I would love to see Tech moons go to WH space& replace most of the blue loot (sleeper component) ISK fountain in the C5/C6's in exchange. Better idea would be sleepers pooping moon goo like the drones used to but I guess CCP wants to get away from GUN mining
It'd be fun hearing about NULL trying to stage a WH moon goo interdiction on J-space like they did in HI SEC to control the prices with thier lost monopoly To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:32:00 -
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For the claim to take a chunk of nullsec, those owning can use the wealth accumulated to negate that, I'm all for diplomacy, but I'm pretty sure anything significant that you can even build with will require **** sucking. -á |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:41:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:evereplicant wrote:It is not a point of working for it at all. So calm down and take some valium sonny. The plain FACT is that these alliances have built up a massive resource over yes a few years, but eve a few years ago was a completely different beast! and whole lot less players, capitals etc etc. Eve is now saturated. It is IMPOSSIBLE and thats a FACT for anyone to build up an alliance with out being a pet, and then geting no moons anyway for being a pet. People simply dont have 100s of caps, supers, titans thats now needed to take a moon in their back pocket jeez! Dont you understand that simple matter? I remember when all you had was a 50-100 man fleet of BS to kill a POS and some dreads. Not like that anymore! Each BS has now been replaced by a titan or a super FACT All the large alliances are people who have played the game for along time (well the leaders mainly) but people like NCDOT have all the old tri players from years ago etc. They have just been recycled into another alliance. Its difficult recruiting nevermind trying to build up an alliance to takeon the big boys.
I mean look at Evoke, NCDOT, Raiden all very very established alliances wiht supers, titans etc all struggles to keep the tech moons in Venal, and its not come to a stage where there is a pact in place! So please GTFO coming out with get an army and go take a moon BS! So you acknowledge the fact that it took years for the current powerblocks to form and rise to where they are now. But you are somehow special and you want to be there right now without going through the same process.
Their "process" involved holding moons... which we can't take without going through their "process" which is holding moons.
Hmmm...... |

Brisco County
The Shadow Plague BLACK-MARK
35
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:56:00 -
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If every run of the mill alliance had their own tech moon, what would even be the purpose of fighting over them?
0.0 should be about the clashing of empires, not space communism. |

Mark Androcius
34
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:09:00 -
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How about a new rule, each corporation is allowed a maximum of 300 members and each alliance can only consist out of 4 corporations.
You can play around with those numbers, if you don't feel they're adequate, but it will make Null fun again ( i think ).
If there's a hard cap to how many players an alliance can have, there will be more alliances and more corporations fighting over the same space, making null something entire blogs are written about once again.
Right now ( so far as i can tell ), there's about 3 maybe 4 alliances that control most of null and a few alliances that control the rest off and on.
Those 3 or 4, are simply to big to take on. Once that's no longer the case.............. well, i think i said enough. Yes i am dutch, no i don't do drugs. |

Ai Shun
693
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:54:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:You gotta admit, the guy has a point. These are alliance/ coalition scale resources. How on earth can Frank and his 10 best mates expect a piece of the pie when they haven't got the man power to back it. Indeed. I can't claim a whole system in null just because I want it. I'll need to get some friends, try and take it off an existing group. Or perhaps organise a deal with somebody. Or work within the sandbox to try and achieve it. What I should not do is come to the forums and bleat because somebody else was willing to put in the organisation and effort to get something and I can't have it  So are you essentially saying you believe the current moon mineral situation is "fine" in your eyes?
Are you dumb?
The conversation has been about the ability to claim them. It did not speak about their balance.
Don't infer things that are not said. That is ugly. Of course, you are Jade and we know Jade exploits situations for personal gain as much as possible  EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |

Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
33
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:04:00 -
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Moons all need to come to high sec. |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
336
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:04:00 -
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Dr Silkworth wrote:Moons all need to come to high sec.
What exactly are you a doctor of? Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
429
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:46:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:How about a new rule, each corporation is allowed a maximum of 300 members and each alliance can only consist out of 4 corporations.
You can play around with those numbers, if you don't feel they're adequate, but it will make Null fun again ( i think ).
If there's a hard cap to how many players an alliance can have, there will be more alliances and more corporations fighting over the same space, making null something entire blogs are written about once again.
Right now ( so far as i can tell ), there's about 3 maybe 4 alliances that control most of null and a few alliances that control the rest off and on.
Those 3 or 4, are simply to big to take on. Once that's no longer the case.............. well, i think i said enough. Yeah we used to have a similar system. Max of 1500 members per corp?
It definitely means having external comms and methods of disseminating information become key for running major alliances.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
33
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:50:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Dr Silkworth wrote:Moons all need to come to high sec. What exactly are you a doctor of?
Not the kind that can help you :)
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
131
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Posted - 2012.04.20 21:14:00 -
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It has been said, many other comments of moons, but watch the eve keynote.
Soundwave hates the moon ATM, "set up pos, and cha ching, cha ching"
They want moon mins to be alot more findable when they instigate more involved mining. |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
422
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:11:00 -
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Dr NAthan wrote:
This pretty much puts things into perspective for all though deluded morons saying "Get a gang together and go take some of the pie"
Yeah, I would love to see how that works out when 20 caps are dropped on you just for the lols, get a grip you lot, lets remember that these guys make a living from holding space, it's what they use to feed their families, Goo is the major contributor to RMT, they take this stuff more than seriously, it's not a game to them.
so mittens WASNT RPing?
Dr Silkworth wrote:Moons all need to come to high sec.
cant do that, the tears would destroy the game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |

Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
236
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:19:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:evereplicant wrote:And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer! Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else! Or were you after a reward without having to work for it?
This is the single most idiotic reply I've ever read. EVER.
Someone's never left high sec / jita 4-4 I see ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:28:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Ai Shun wrote:evereplicant wrote:And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer! Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else! Or were you after a reward without having to work for it? This is the single most idiotic reply I've ever read. EVER. Someone's never left high sec / jita 4-4 I see what up n c bro |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
429
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:42:00 -
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Commit Sudoku wrote:Spurty wrote:Ai Shun wrote:evereplicant wrote:And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer! Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else! Or were you after a reward without having to work for it? This is the single most idiotic reply I've ever read. EVER. Someone's never left high sec / jita 4-4 I see what up n c bro NC. didn't want those tech moons in Venal, let them be. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:51:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:It has been said, many other comments of moons, but watch the eve keynote.
Soundwave hates the moon ATM, "set up pos, and cha ching, cha ching"
They want moon mins to be alot more findable when they instigate more involved mining.
That's an odd thing for CCP Soundwave to say.
When CCP Soundwave actually hates something it is REMOVED FROM THE GAME in one patch with no attempt to balance out the negative effects it will have on viability of whole regions of space.
You know, the Drone Mineral Nerf.
So it's really strange that he hates it but seems oddly powerless to actually get rid of it. Given his willingness to send the economy into chaos because "mining needs to be important because it does".
And Drone Mineral Nerf was worse than a mistake.
It was removal of content. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:58:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Markus Reese wrote:It has been said, many other comments of moons, but watch the eve keynote.
Soundwave hates the moon ATM, "set up pos, and cha ching, cha ching"
They want moon mins to be alot more findable when they instigate more involved mining. That's an odd thing for CCP Soundwave to say. When CCP Soundwave actually hates something it is REMOVED FROM THE GAME in one patch with no attempt to balance out the negative effects it will have on viability of whole regions of space. You know, the Drone Mineral Nerf. So it's really strange that he hates it but seems oddly powerless to actually get rid of it. Given his willingness to send the economy into chaos because "mining needs to be important because it does". And Drone Mineral Nerf was worse than a mistake. It was removal of content. Drone nerf fallback = Mining Moon mineral fallback = ?
If there was another system for doing it already in place then yes, I can see it happening regardless of the consequences, but there isn't and coming up with something new isn't something they do quickly. |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:06:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Markus Reese wrote:It has been said, many other comments of moons, but watch the eve keynote.
Soundwave hates the moon ATM, "set up pos, and cha ching, cha ching"
They want moon mins to be alot more findable when they instigate more involved mining. That's an odd thing for CCP Soundwave to say. When CCP Soundwave actually hates something it is REMOVED FROM THE GAME in one patch with no attempt to balance out the negative effects it will have on viability of whole regions of space. You know, the Drone Mineral Nerf. So it's really strange that he hates it but seems oddly powerless to actually get rid of it. Given his willingness to send the economy into chaos because "mining needs to be important because it does". And Drone Mineral Nerf was worse than a mistake. It was removal of content. Drone nerf fallback = Mining Moon mineral fallback = ? If there was another system for doing it already in place then yes, I can see it happening regardless of the consequences, but there isn't and coming up with something new isn't something they do quickly.
They could put in asteroids, on planets, drops, in LADAR sites, buyable from NPC market orders, or LP store. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
429
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:08:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Markus Reese wrote:It has been said, many other comments of moons, but watch the eve keynote.
Soundwave hates the moon ATM, "set up pos, and cha ching, cha ching"
They want moon mins to be alot more findable when they instigate more involved mining. That's an odd thing for CCP Soundwave to say. When CCP Soundwave actually hates something it is REMOVED FROM THE GAME in one patch with no attempt to balance out the negative effects it will have on viability of whole regions of space. You know, the Drone Mineral Nerf. So it's really strange that he hates it but seems oddly powerless to actually get rid of it. Given his willingness to send the economy into chaos because "mining needs to be important because it does". And Drone Mineral Nerf was worse than a mistake. It was removal of content. Drone nerf fallback = Mining Moon mineral fallback = ? If there was another system for doing it already in place then yes, I can see it happening regardless of the consequences, but there isn't and coming up with something new isn't something they do quickly. I think he was trying to imply that team tech was somehow involved because they don't want tech nerfed.
Or goons. Hey, you know what, lets go with goons. Since Raiden. and NC. don't want their sov/tech moons anyway, it's gotta be us. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:09:00 -
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The fact that one player cannot take and hold a tech moon without a good fleet backing him is not a problem. |

Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
25
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:18:00 -
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I still think think Soundwave's moon mineral roids is a silly idea considering there is already an existing mechanic that can take care of the tech moon imbalance. The existing mechanic I am speaking of is alchemy. Moon mineral alchemy is already a part of r64 moons, why can't the same mechanic be applied to r32 moons?
The r32 alchemy idea isn't mine and certainly isn't new, it was suggest during the CSM meetings with CCP. The only reason I can see why CCP hasn't already started implementing it is that they like the current situation as it is with Super Capital proliferation. They are still not ready to see the current large alliances leave their positions.
So its not so much CCP favoritism as it is keeping things stable the way they are instead of burning it all 
Will the ring mining mechanic work? Yes, so long as it allows for the oversupply of moon minerals to the market so as to lower prices of minerals down to being near unprofitable in terms of moon mining.
I still think it would be quicker to implement r32 alchemy, no need to make an entirely new mechanic. |

Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
236
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:44:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Commit Sudoku wrote:Spurty wrote:Ai Shun wrote:evereplicant wrote:And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer! Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else! Or were you after a reward without having to work for it? This is the single most idiotic reply I've ever read. EVER. Someone's never left high sec / jita 4-4 I see what up n c bro NC. didn't want those tech moons in Venal, let them be.
You already know they only want to fight. No fight is no fight bloke.
FYI I don't personally hold any tech moons. Apparently you don't either or you wouldnt be trying so hard ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.04.21 00:00:00 -
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In order to fight for tech moons you need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet you need tech moons (or bots which are illegal).
Enough said
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Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
10
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Posted - 2012.04.21 00:03:00 -
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There was once this bob alliance sitting on loads of prom & dispro moons. Some corps had people in it that were afilliated with developers of the game. They were sitting on this hugh amounts of promethium and dyspro mmons. CCP told that it isnt right to give big alliances valablue moon they couldnt take. So once this alliance called bob left the moons got "rebalanced'.
http://imageshack.us/f/64/naamlooskp.jpg/ From the screeny you can see that they made the rarest & most staked r32 moon the most valualbe moon. Lucky for some people that they had the most value cluster of techmoon in their region exept venal which is npc space. Those people were also lucky that the sov mechanics got changed with a true sec methode. Lucky them they were also sitting in the region with the most true sec in eve!! When we all know tech was a mistake at first, i dont believe ccp is willing to chnage it for unknow resons. Basic fact is that it is a bottleneck which was predicted before it was inplementent. Wheter ccp does this deleberately or dont read the 10,00th post on forum about this is the question..... ether way lucky goons having 65 moons that produce 9 billion isk each, a 585 billion isk free a month..... Thats 2/3/4 times avarage alliance income
Where 1 R64 moon makes tops 900 million isk a month does a Rarity 32 makes that 9 times!!!! |

Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.04.21 00:05:00 -
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Incursions are an isk faucet. Isk that was not circulating yesterday is in the system today.
Tech moons are not an isk sink. They do not add to inflation. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
675
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Posted - 2012.04.21 00:29:00 -
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another npc corp poster's valuable opinions on 0.0 space and mechanics |
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