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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
431
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Posted - 2012.04.21 00:36:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:In order to fight for tech moons you need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet you need tech moons (or bots which are illegal).
Enough said Luv2Hotdrop Titans.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
27
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Posted - 2012.04.21 01:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:In order to fight for tech moons you need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet you need tech moons (or bots which are illegal).
Enough said Luv2Hotdrop Titans.
And I loves me some stealth bombers and projected A.O.E? Yes please!  |

Leza Bo ManHater
Pyramid Celestial
8
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Posted - 2012.04.21 01:20:00 -
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eve isnt broken, stop trying to fix it |

Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
27
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Posted - 2012.04.21 01:25:00 -
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Leza Bo ManHater wrote:eve isnt broken, stop trying to fix it
Tech moon imbalance/bottleneck is an admitted problem.
Problem = things aren't right = EVE broken/borked.
CCP has already admitted that it is a problem and needs fixing.
Your argument is invalid. |

Leza Bo ManHater
Pyramid Celestial
8
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Posted - 2012.04.21 01:29:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Leza Bo ManHater wrote:eve isnt broken, stop trying to fix it Tech moon imbalance/bottleneck is an admitted problem. Problem = things aren't right = EVE broken/borked. CCP has already admitted that it is a problem and needs fixing. Your argument is invalid.
eve is not broken, your argument is invalid |

Khorkrak
War Tribe
2
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Posted - 2012.04.21 02:22:00 -
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What's a tech moon? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |

Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
27
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Posted - 2012.04.21 03:38:00 -
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Khorkrak wrote:What's a tech moon?
Short for Technetium moon
Currently a technetium moon is worth more than 15 million isk an hour.
Therefore, a technetium moon is worth more than 8.6 billion isk a month.
This is passive income from selling the minerals to the markets throughout New Eden.
This income is created due to a bottleneck in tech 2 production in terms of the moon mineral technetium.
This bottleneck was made during the changes made in the dominion expansion even though the playerbase warned this was going to happen.
This bottleneck allows the formation of large power blocs around tech moons due to their income which is used to purchase/construct supercapitals to use in defense of the tech moons.
If you don't have a massive blob and massive resources to take on a power bloc you are likely to be curb stomped.
It is this situation that promotes the talk of changes to the technetium bottleneck. |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
102
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Posted - 2012.04.21 03:46:00 -
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Tech is CCP's way of paying off large Alliance's leadership for wasting their lives on this game...
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
27
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Posted - 2012.04.21 03:49:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Tech is CCP's way of paying off large Alliance's leadership for wasting their lives on this game... 
Indeed, there is the favoritism angle. |

Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas F0RCEFUL ENTRY
23
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Posted - 2012.04.21 06:26:00 -
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When my alliance wanted something you know what we did? We went out and got it. That's how it works. You make friends, you get nice things. If something is valuable, of course the large alliances will take them. They have the manpower to take and hold the moons they have. You don't. CCP doesn't want balance. They don't want everyone to have a piece of the pie. They want you to look at someone else, say you want what they have, and then try to take it. Balance is bad, and monkeys are good. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
676
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Posted - 2012.04.21 06:27:00 -
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yeah what ronny rrigan said |

WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:19:00 -
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Veronica Kerrigan wrote:When my alliance wanted something you know what we did? We went out and got it. That's how it works. You make friends, you get nice things. If something is valuable, of course the large alliances will take them. They have the manpower to take and hold the moons they have. You don't. CCP doesn't want balance. They don't want everyone to have a piece of the pie. They want you to look at someone else, say you want what they have, and then try to take it. Balance is bad, and monkeys are good.
Lol you're funny.. The funny thing is you are what they call a pet. You are lower than scum to your overlords.. Here's some crappy space to be a meat shield oh but you want a tech moon? Yeah right get lost.. Try to take one? Byebye |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
676
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:29:00 -
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lol tough talk from an npc corp poster |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:43:00 -
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Elzon1 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:In order to fight for tech moons you need huge supercap fleet. In order to have huge supercap fleet you need tech moons (or bots which are illegal).
Enough said Luv2Hotdrop Titans. And I loves me some stealth bombers and projected A.O.E? Yes please!  I don't fly bombers, but apparently the bomber fleet is good at killing whole enemy fleets so yeah ~ Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Hroya
36
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:44:00 -
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In a game of power, greed, wealth and internet status, we should just understand that there are allways those that have and those that have not.
Moongoo is a ****. Good for you if you have it, dont think about it if you dont. Because frankly there arent that many well organised groups of players that can compete with any of the current owners within the latests gamemechanics.
So just shrug it off, deal with it one way or the other. It is what it is until things get changed and that isnt going to happen for a long time.
Besides, wanting those moons is all about greed aswell so what's the difference ?
You go your corridor but. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
229
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:45:00 -
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Veronica Kerrigan wrote:When my alliance wanted something you know what we did? We went out and got it. That's how it works. You make friends, you get nice things. If something is valuable, of course the large alliances will take them. They have the manpower to take and hold the moons they have. You don't. CCP doesn't want balance. They don't want everyone to have a piece of the pie. They want you to look at someone else, say you want what they have, and then try to take it. Balance is bad, and monkeys are good.
This is true, CCP really doesn't want everyone to have an equal share. Sharing doesn't cause wars, unless there are old grudges. And honestly, most of the old grudges have been set aside in favor of negotiating for more tech. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 16:46:00 -
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Hroya wrote:In a game of power, greed, wealth and internet status, we should just understand that there are allways those that have and those that have not.
Moongoo is a ****. Good for you if you have it, dont think about it if you dont. Because frankly there arent that many well organised groups of players that can compete with any of the current owners within the latests gamemechanics.
So just shrug it off, deal with it one way or the other. It is what it is until things get changed and that isnt going to happen for a long time.
Besides, wanting those moons is all about greed aswell so what's the difference ?
Titans are perfectly balanced, hotdropping 50 of them on your head is a game mechanism working as intended.
Besides, lots of people don't want their tech moons anymore - Tenal, Venal, I mean they're throwing them out on the streets now. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas F0RCEFUL ENTRY
23
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:48:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Veronica Kerrigan wrote:When my alliance wanted something you know what we did? We went out and got it. That's how it works. You make friends, you get nice things. If something is valuable, of course the large alliances will take them. They have the manpower to take and hold the moons they have. You don't. CCP doesn't want balance. They don't want everyone to have a piece of the pie. They want you to look at someone else, say you want what they have, and then try to take it. Balance is bad, and monkeys are good. Lol you're funny.. The funny thing is you are what they call a pet. You are lower than scum to your overlords.. Here's some crappy space to be a meat shield oh but you want a tech moon? Yeah right get lost.. Try to take one? Byebye
You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity. But I guess we all can't be intelligent. After all, goonswarm is always looking for pilots |

CEO Rockhound
The Treehugger Corp
10
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:11:00 -
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A few things... Tech is broken. Titans are broken. SC remote ECM burst is broken. T2 BPO's are broken.
Now, earlier it was Prom and Dyspro that was most broken.
One thing that might help, is to introduce some new T2 ships / modules / drones that needs moon-goo that is NOT tech, at all. This will move some producers from the Tech-heavy stuff to 'other stuff'. Make 12 new HAC's, 8 new Command Ships, 4 new Marauders, T2 carriers, T2 dreads and XL Rigs for capitals and XXL rigs for supers.
Making it possible to build T2 salvage modules from T1 modules in a 'research' way would be nice.
Now, if they just 'tweek' so that these new ships mostly use none-Tech components, that will spread the love to other regions as well.
Then releaseing maybe 50-100 new T2 versions of 'Meta 6', modules, that have same 'effect' as the T2 Meta 5 items, but use other components, and less fitting requierments should ease the bottleneck somewhat, as well as cutting into the T2 BPO cartells.
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Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas F0RCEFUL ENTRY
23
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:17:00 -
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hmm, meta lvl tech 2 is an idea worth thinking about more. Perhaps they could be tradeoff item, such as a meta 6 tracking computer having more tracking, and a meta 7 having more range type of thing, kind of like built in scripts. It would further the idea that tech 2 is very specialized, while more basic mods have more utility... And they could use another resource as you said. perhaps it could be a new tier of PI goods, so that anyone (in theory) would be able to acquire it, but it would take a fair bit of work and/or money. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:19:00 -
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CEO Rockhound wrote:Make 12 new HAC's, 8 new Command Ships, 4 new Marauders, T2 carriers, T2 dreads 2 ships a year was it? Or per expansion? Either way, 12+8+4+4+4=32 new ships would leave you waiting quite a while for such a fix.
If you're patient, I guess it's fine. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:55:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:evereplicant wrote:And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer! Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else! Or were you after a reward without having to work for it? That's just like they lies they tell us in real life. Old money always wins. You can't go up against the hundreds of titans the alliances will throw at you. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:57:00 -
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Lord Dravius wrote:Ai Shun wrote:evereplicant wrote:And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer! Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else! Or were you after a reward without having to work for it? That's just like they lies they tell us in real life. Old money always wins. You can't go up against the hundreds of titans the alliances will throw at you. Yep, just the elite players of Band of Brothers. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:10:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lord Dravius wrote:Ai Shun wrote:evereplicant wrote:And can anyone take these moons? I mean average joe? can anyone even get a moon? never in a million years is your answer! Yes, you can. You need to go out, grab a piece of null and hold it. Same as everybody else that wants a piece of it. You have the same opportunites as everyone else! Or were you after a reward without having to work for it? That's just like they lies they tell us in real life. Old money always wins. You can't go up against the hundreds of titans the alliances will throw at you. Yep, just the elite players of Band of Brothers. Only lost after their devhax were taken away. The current alliances still have have their version of T2 BPOs, tech moons. Also, your average big alliance now has more capitals than even existed back then. |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
556
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:11:00 -
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You do realise that a single tech moon makes around 10 billion isk a month right? Requires almost daily maintenance by a hauler, someone to fly it safely to where it can be used/sold. The space must be defended, patrolled, sov payed for, man hours of gametime fuelling and boring as hell silo maintenance right? You know all this because you know all aboue Eve yeah? Not to mention the warfare it took to gain that moon and hold it.
You also know that the income from however many tech moons is then used to pay for sov, pay for replacements in huge fights, pay for new upgrades, stations and teh general day to day running of a large alliance which is phenominally expensive. You know all this am I right?
This isk is used to support literally thousands of people.
A single player can easily make 20 to 30 billion isk a month running incursions, if he has the time. In hisec. Virtually risk free. No overheads apart from a ship. No responsibilities to look after anyone but his own wallet.
Yep, seems fair to me to say that nullsec alliances should be punished for making isk. Not as though they have to work for it or risk anything. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:16:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:You do realise that a single tech moon makes around 10 billion isk a month right? Requires almost daily maintenance by a hauler, someone to fly it safely to where it can be used/sold. The space must be defended, patrolled, sov payed for, man hours of gametime fuelling and boring as hell silo maintenance right? You know all this because you know all aboue Eve yeah? Not to mention the warfare it took to gain that moon and hold it.
You also know that the income from however many tech moons is then used to pay for sov, pay for replacements in huge fights, pay for new upgrades, stations and teh general day to day running of a large alliance which is phenominally expensive. You know all this am I right?
This isk is used to support literally thousands of people.
A single player can easily make 20 to 30 billion isk a month running incursions, if he has the time. In hisec. Virtually risk free. No overheads apart from a ship. No responsibilities to look after anyone but his own wallet.
Yep, seems fair to me to say that nullsec alliances should be punished for making isk. Not as though they have to work for it or risk anything. LOL@Whining that high sec is where all the money is. |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
556
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:26:00 -
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Lord Dravius wrote:Rico Minali wrote:You do realise that a single tech moon makes around 10 billion isk a month right? Requires almost daily maintenance by a hauler, someone to fly it safely to where it can be used/sold. The space must be defended, patrolled, sov payed for, man hours of gametime fuelling and boring as hell silo maintenance right? You know all this because you know all aboue Eve yeah? Not to mention the warfare it took to gain that moon and hold it.
You also know that the income from however many tech moons is then used to pay for sov, pay for replacements in huge fights, pay for new upgrades, stations and teh general day to day running of a large alliance which is phenominally expensive. You know all this am I right?
This isk is used to support literally thousands of people.
A single player can easily make 20 to 30 billion isk a month running incursions, if he has the time. In hisec. Virtually risk free. No overheads apart from a ship. No responsibilities to look after anyone but his own wallet.
Yep, seems fair to me to say that nullsec alliances should be punished for making isk. Not as though they have to work for it or risk anything. LOL@Whining that high sec is where all the money is.
Im not whining in teh slightest, I make plenty, my corp makes a hell of alot of isk right here (no we dont have a tech moon..), I was just pointing out that technetium doesnt actually make that much isk in teh big picture, and it certainly doesnt create isk out of thin air like incursions do.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:28:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Im not whining in teh slightest, I make plenty, my corp makes a hell of alot of isk right here (no we dont have a tech moon..), I was just pointing out that technetium doesnt actually make that much isk in teh big picture, and it certainly doesnt create isk out of thin air like incursions do. How's the ratting and mining in the space where you are? I only went down once or twice chasing escalations.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
83
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:28:00 -
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Lord Dravius wrote:Rico Minali wrote:You do realise that a single tech moon makes around 10 billion isk a month right? Requires almost daily maintenance by a hauler, someone to fly it safely to where it can be used/sold. The space must be defended, patrolled, sov payed for, man hours of gametime fuelling and boring as hell silo maintenance right? You know all this because you know all aboue Eve yeah? Not to mention the warfare it took to gain that moon and hold it.
You also know that the income from however many tech moons is then used to pay for sov, pay for replacements in huge fights, pay for new upgrades, stations and teh general day to day running of a large alliance which is phenominally expensive. You know all this am I right?
This isk is used to support literally thousands of people.
A single player can easily make 20 to 30 billion isk a month running incursions, if he has the time. In hisec. Virtually risk free. No overheads apart from a ship. No responsibilities to look after anyone but his own wallet.
Yep, seems fair to me to say that nullsec alliances should be punished for making isk. Not as though they have to work for it or risk anything. LOL@Whining that high sec is where all the money is.
LOL at your inability to read and draw logical conclusions |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
558
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:38:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Im not whining in teh slightest, I make plenty, my corp makes a hell of alot of isk right here (no we dont have a tech moon..), I was just pointing out that technetium doesnt actually make that much isk in teh big picture, and it certainly doesnt create isk out of thin air like incursions do. How's the ratting and mining in the space where you are? I only went down once or twice chasing escalations.
Trusec isnt great but hubs are very numerous so easy to do. I dont mine in nullsec but I hear you can make decent amount now mins are up and mining is coming back into fashion. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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