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Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:41:00 -
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I have been watching the fanfest stream and read all the devblogs lately. It's good to see a (ongoing and not losing momentum) refocusing on FiS by CCP, but I remember that some time ago there was a somewhat strong interest and discussions around the "local" issue, that is the use of local chat as a perfect, effortless intel gathering tool.
I am pretty surprised nobody mentioned anything about this at fanfest. Could this be the "greatest undiscussed topic" of this year's fanfest? What is CCP to do about local chat? Any plans? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
429
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:49:00 -
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Guess they feel it's fulfilling its purpose.
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2012.04.20 23:41:00 -
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Well they put in delayed local into wormhole space as a sort of test case then they got distracted by Incarna and completely forgot about it.
Changing local if it ever happens will probably have the greatest impact in EVE of all time and I think CCP is scared to touch it because if they mess up it will have disastrous consequences. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.04.21 00:05:00 -
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Well local is about to receive a buff ... where it should be nerfed ... |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.04.21 00:06:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Well local is about to receive a buff ...
You will be able to warp to anyone in local.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Imortal valkyrie
The Drunken Empire
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.21 01:40:00 -
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Local works, alter it and it will cease to work, solution? None needed, op success. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
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Posted - 2012.04.21 05:09:00 -
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If you think Local gives you too much information, keep it closed. Problem solved. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
434
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Posted - 2012.04.21 06:11:00 -
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Imortal valkyrie wrote:Local works, alter it and it will cease to work, solution? None needed, op success.
Op success! Let's stand down and go for space drinks.
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
SweetrolI
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Posted - 2012.04.21 06:14:00 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:If you think Local gives you too much information, keep it closed. Problem solved.
Was that a serious comment or... are you ********? |
Kuehnelt
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.04.21 07:47:00 -
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Camios wrote:I have been watching the fanfest stream and read all the devblogs lately. It's good to see a (ongoing and not losing momentum) refocusing on FiS by CCP, but I remember that some time ago there was a somewhat strong interest and discussions around the "local" issue, that is the use of local chat as a perfect, effortless intel gathering tool.
I am pretty surprised nobody mentioned anything about this at fanfest.
Perhaps the discussions have run their course? They go like this:
OP: Nullbears who want local should HTFU and dscan like we do in wormholes.
IL: dscan doesn't show cloaked ships.
OP: so what? In wormho--
IL: wormholes aren't on the map. Wormholes have collapsible gates. You can't cyno into a wormhole. Wormholes move around. If you want to harass a wormhole alliance, you have to find them first. And look at what cloakies can do!
OP: Yeah! Right now cloaks are lame! You seriously think black ops is OK? Nullbears should just learn to adjust.
IL: They would adjust. It's not that they wouldn't adjust. It's that the post-adjustment world would suck. I think you're the one not thinking about how they'd adjust.
OP: Well, they'd have people by gates, they'd use dscan *already forgetting IL's first statement*, they'd--
IL: This is what they'd do: they'd fit cloaks on everything. Fights would be about bait, and being careful about how you'd uncloak your backup, and quickly determining how much and what kind of backup the other guy'd have based on what you know about the people presently revealed. Between strangers, sometimes you'd get blobbed and sometimes you'd blob the other guy, and neither party would have any way of knowing which it'd be until the fight ended.
OP: Yeah well, maybe ... only blackops ... sov upgrades ... delays ... anti-cloaking ... other ideas that I'm only just now thinking of, that won't get developed further, and that will get forgotten when the next guy tells nullbears to HTFU and l2dscan without reading the thread, and the conversation resets.
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Aethlyn
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Posted - 2012.04.21 08:03:00 -
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From what I've read, they tried to replace local with a local "establishment channel" (i.e. only available while docked/there), but people cried too much about it (which wasn't wrong, just a bit too much IMO). So it's been dropped for now, but saying they forgot about it due to WiS is simply wrong.
Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness
Psychotic Tendencies.
800
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Posted - 2012.04.21 08:31:00 -
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Many years ago the local channel stopped working. It showed no one except the number of pilots in that system. For that one day the game had changed. Real scouts were sent out to gather information and the excitement of not knowing what was out there was amazing.
Then CCP changed it back to what you have now. An instant, effort free, super intel gathering device. So lame.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
521
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Posted - 2012.04.21 12:23:00 -
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Since CCP can't decide to give null "no local" how about giving w-space such a wonderfully perfect intel tool?
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
316
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Posted - 2012.04.21 12:28:00 -
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Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.
Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.
True story.
Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á
Senior Recruiter |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons
True Apathy
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Posted - 2012.04.21 12:43:00 -
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The local thing was brought up in the latest CSM meeting, and I think it was agreed that having a chat channel as the primary source of intel was pretty weird.
I am guessing that any possible change to local chat would come at around the same time as the 'cloak hunting' ship also suggested by CCP (the issues seem to be related?). And I doubt that would arrive until after Inferno-era ship rebalancing has come and gone, because it'd be a big change, and you'd only want to make one big change at a time and let things settle before doing another or you'd risk having everything buggered up.
So yeah, a long way off. Loooooooooong.
oooooong |
Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.21 12:45:00 -
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Camios wrote:I have been watching the fanfest stream and read all the devblogs lately. It's good to see a (ongoing and not losing momentum) refocusing on FiS by CCP, but I remember that some time ago there was a somewhat strong interest and discussions around the "local" issue, that is the use of local chat as a perfect, effortless intel gathering tool.
I am pretty surprised nobody mentioned anything about this at fanfest. Could this be the "greatest undiscussed topic" of this year's fanfest? What is CCP to do about local chat? Any plans?
People have been complaining since beta. What makes you think 2012 is going to be the year they suddenly decide it's important? |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
521
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Posted - 2012.04.21 12:47:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.
Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.
True story.
As the hunter, local does little to make you blind. As the prey, no local requires that you be more involved in the game than checking local for bad guys.
The fact that you consider it a handicap speaks volumes about the kind of game you play, nullbear!
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Lord Dravius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.21 12:48:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.
Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.
True story.
Nobody is saying they don't want an intel tool, just that that intel tool shouldn't be the chat system. Besides, if anything it'll make hunting easier. If local didn't instantly show everyone in the system people can't run the moment a threat enters the system. |
Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.21 12:54:00 -
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If it's not broken, don't fix it. Changing local around would screw a lot of things up, small gangs would have a hard time finding each other, cloakys with cyno's would be the bane of everyone's existence, blobs would have a hard time finding out intel about enemy numbers because if they just stayed docked up, there would literally be no way to tell how many numbers the opposite side had unless you were docked in that station with them. Hell, without spies finding someone's home / staging system would be a whole lot more difficult to find out.
We all know local is a bid odd the way it is used, but if you look at how drastically the entire game would change if you tinkered with it, it's probably just better to leave it as it is. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
316
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Posted - 2012.04.21 13:08:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Aiwha wrote:Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.
Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.
True story.
As the hunter, local does little to make you blind. As the prey, no local requires that you be more involved in the game than checking local for bad guys. The fact that you consider it a handicap speaks volumes about the kind of game you play, nullbear!
Because people ganking stupid ratters is an exciting pastime that needs a revamp and is exactly what I was talking about.
I was referring to actual player versus player fighting. We don't get :goodfites: if we have no idea where the other fleets are.
Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á
Senior Recruiter |
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
345
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:56:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Since CCP can't decide to give null "no local" how about giving w-space such a wonderfully perfect intel tool?
/pantsonhead
HELL NO!
And leave wormholes out of this, tyvm!
It feels *WEIRD* to go somewhere in null, and see people listed in local...
It feels WRONG to go to hi-sec and see people in local (and on gates) I can't shoot...
That was my biggest adjustment when I left WH space and came back to K space for a break...
Almost lost my legion going after a scan destroyer on a hi-sec gate....
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online:
No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
56
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:59:00 -
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The whole reason I prefer WH over lowsec is local.
Local is a fking joke, especially for a covert ops ship, DUH CCP
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Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
89
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Posted - 2012.04.21 17:49:00 -
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I made this thread so that people can support it if they feel like. I would like to hear some concrete stuff from CCP/CSM on this front.
Every dude with a bit of immagination can think of what a system like "submarines in space" or whatever would bring to EVE in terms of variety. But actually, the time for brainstorming and throwing ideas on this has pretty much passed; the "local" problem has already been discussed heavily. It's about time that CCP devotes some of their development time to this 'issue'. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:40:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.
Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.
True story.
It's not that bad, it's more of warfare will turn into blob vs blob based around timers for POSes and such.
Of course spies would be involved to gauge the number of people in the blob attacking/defending.
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
676
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Posted - 2012.04.21 18:46:00 -
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what's the issue exactly?
a bunch of scrubs who think the reason they can't get ganks on carebears is because of local and not because the risk/reward aspect has been pushing all null pve activity, ranging from manufacturing and trade and mining and now with incursions - ratting, to highsec over the course of several years? |
Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
90
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:14:00 -
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It's fun to see people saying that delayed local is for "bunch of scrubs who think the reason they can't get ganks on carebears is because of local", and people saying that "Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights".
Anyway, it's obvious that we're talking about replace local with something else, more sophisticated and interesting; not to just put it delayed and say 'good night'.
Carebears will have their tools to try avoid being ganked, and hungry pvpers will have theirs for their goals; just it should be more complex.
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
523
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:28:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Aiwha wrote:Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.
Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.
True story.
As the hunter, local does little to make you blind. As the prey, no local requires that you be more involved in the game than checking local for bad guys. The fact that you consider it a handicap speaks volumes about the kind of game you play, nullbear! Because people ganking stupid ratters is an exciting pastime that needs a revamp and is exactly what I was talking about. I was referring to actual player versus player fighting. We don't get :goodfites: if we have no idea where the other fleets are.
I've been in a w-space system when it's been sieged. I knew exactly where the fleets were and where they came from. Lets see, 1 fleet was camping our static, one fleet was bashing our pos, another fleet was scouting a back way into/out of our system via K162 and it was 3 w-space systems deep. Our fleet was working to break up the static camp and we had two guys keeping tabs/scouting on the bad guys scouting the K162. And there were a couple of cloakies hanging around P6 looking to take on anyone not paying attention.
Now, if I can find those fleets with no local, I'm not exactly sure what your point is, nullbear. If you're implying it doesn't give you quick effortless intel, then you are correct. But don't sit here and tell everyone that it blinds you. It adds the fog of war. But, that's a good thing.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 19:31:00 -
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Camios wrote:Anyway, it's obvious that we're talking about replace local with something else, more sophisticated and interesting; not to just put it delayed and say 'good night'.
Oh ho, you need to be explicit about these things.
Since after all, otherwise we'd get just what was advertised: delayed.
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
340
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:00:00 -
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Lord Dravius wrote:Aiwha wrote:Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.
Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.
True story.
Nobody is saying they don't want an intel tool, just that that intel tool shouldn't be the chat system. Besides, if anything it'll make hunting easier. If local didn't instantly show everyone in the system people can't run the moment a threat enters the system.
Fine they should do is just make it so you can't chat in local. Then it will no longer be a "chat system."
Basically all the remove local and replace it with X proposals are either horrible or lead to doing what I describe above.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2012.04.21 20:07:00 -
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Being able to chat in Local with hostiles during a TiDied fleet fight is fun though...
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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