Well local is about to receive a buff ...

Local works, alter it and it will cease to work, solution? None needed, op success.

If you think Local gives you too much information, keep it closed. Problem solved.

I have been watching the fanfest stream and read all the devblogs lately. It's good to see a (ongoing and not losing momentum) refocusing on FiS by CCP, but I remember that some time ago there was a somewhat strong interest and discussions around the "local" issue, that is the use of local chat as a perfect, effortless intel gathering tool.

I am pretty surprised nobody mentioned anything about this at fanfest.

I have been watching the fanfest stream and read all the devblogs lately. It's good to see a (ongoing and not losing momentum) refocusing on FiS by CCP, but I remember that some time ago there was a somewhat strong interest and discussions around the "local" issue, that is the use of local chat as a perfect, effortless intel gathering tool.

I am pretty surprised nobody mentioned anything about this at fanfest. Could this be the "greatest undiscussed topic" of this year's fanfest? What is CCP to do about local chat? Any plans?

Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.



Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.


True story.

Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.



Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.


True story.

As the hunter, local does little to make you blind. As the prey, no local requires that you be more involved in the game than checking local for bad guys.

The fact that you consider it a handicap speaks volumes about the kind of game you play, nullbear!

Since CCP can't decide to give null "no local" how about giving w-space such a wonderfully perfect intel tool?

Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.

Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.

True story.

Because people ganking stupid ratters is an exciting pastime that needs a revamp and is exactly what I was talking about.


I was referring to actual player versus player fighting. We don't get :goodfites: if we have no idea where the other fleets are.

Anyway, it's obvious that we're talking about replace local with something else, more sophisticated and interesting; not to just put it delayed and say 'good night'.

Nobody is saying they don't want an intel tool, just that that intel tool shouldn't be the chat system. Besides, if anything it'll make hunting easier. If local didn't instantly show everyone in the system people can't run the moment a threat enters the system.

Was that a serious comment or... are you ********?

What part didn't seem serious? This whining has been going on for years and seems to be about cloakies people see in local that they can't scan down. So it if bothers you so much keep it closed.

Simple right? Ignorance is bliss.

Many years ago the local channel stopped working. It showed no one except the number of pilots in that system. For that one day the game had changed. Real scouts were sent out to gather information and the excitement of not knowing what was out there was amazing.

Then CCP changed it back to what you have now. An instant, effort free, super intel gathering device. So lame.

This.

Or you could make local delayed, with the delay before your name pops up dependent on the sig radius of your ship - for example, a Rifter with a tiny sig radius might take 1.5 minutes to show up, whereas a BS would show ip in like 20 seconds (all arbitrary numbers, but you get the idea). This would make small, light scouts a lot more useful and make gangs of raiding frigs far more viable, as they would have a stealth advantage when compared to heavier ships.

Many years ago the local channel stopped working. It showed no one except the number of pilots in that system. For that one day the game had changed. Real scouts were sent out to gather information and the excitement of not knowing what was out there was amazing.

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Well they put in delayed local into wormhole space as a sort of test case then they got distracted by Incarna and completely forgot about it.

Changing local if it ever happens will probably have the greatest impact in EVE of all time and I think CCP is scared to touch it because if they mess up it will have disastrous consequences.

If it's not broken, don't fix it. Changing local around would screw a lot of things up, small gangs would have a hard time finding each other, cloakys with cyno's would be the bane of everyone's existence, blobs would have a hard time finding out intel about enemy numbers because if they just stayed docked up, there would literally be no way to tell how many numbers the opposite side had unless you were docked in that station with them. Hell, without spies finding someone's home / staging system would be a whole lot more difficult to find out.

We all know local is a bid odd the way it is used, but if you look at how drastically the entire game would change if you tinkered with it, it's probably just better to leave it as it is.

I've been in a w-space system when it's been sieged. I knew exactly where the fleets were and where they came from. Lets see, 1 fleet was camping our static, one fleet was bashing our pos, another fleet was scouting a back way into/out of our system via K162 and it was 3 w-space systems deep. Our fleet was working to break up the static camp and we had two guys keeping tabs/scouting on the bad guys scouting the K162. And there were a couple of cloakies hanging around P6 looking to take on anyone not paying attention.

Now, if I can find those fleets with no local, I'm not exactly sure what your point is, nullbear. If you're implying it doesn't give you quick effortless intel, then you are correct. But don't sit here and tell everyone that it blinds you. It adds the fog of war. But, that's a good thing.

Because people ganking stupid ratters is an exciting pastime that needs a revamp and is exactly what I was talking about.


I was referring to actual player versus player fighting. We don't get :goodfites: if we have no idea where the other fleets are.

Reset some blues and try not to suddenly forget where they live.

Seriously your excuse about not being able to find anyone if local is gone is simply pathetic. So tired of lazy people who claim to be great PvPers and when that ~good fights~ depends on some people scouting around you crumble.

This is not World of Tanks or League of Legends you moron. One does not hit a Start Match button and be handed PvP. It amazes me how insanely lazy some of you players are.

So how much longer do you want to have to warp scouts around looking for fights? Do you think you should have to warp around new eden for 8 hours before we get a decent pvp fight?

You are definitely correct that losing local will decrease the frequency of good pvp fights in eve. We agree there. I just think they should look for ways to increase the amount of action per hour (although i am against arenas). But anyway how many fewer good fights do you want?

I find it hard to believe there are people who think it should take even longer to find a good fight in eve.

Having local is far from a "start match" button.

Right now if I fly solo, I will get one decent fight about every hour and a half. If I am in a small gang of say 8 cruisers and down it will take about 4 hours. Sure we will get some ganks along the way but as far as good fights that could conceivably go either way those times are pretty good.


So how much longer do you want to have to warp scouts around looking for fights? Do you think you should have to warp around new eden for 8 hours before we get a decent pvp fight?

You are definitely correct that losing local will decrease the frequency of good pvp fights in eve. We agree there. I just think they should look for ways to increase the amount of action per hour (although i am against arenas). But anyway how many fewer good fights do you want?

You really don't have a clue how to scan an entire system for all undocked, uncloaked ships in less than 20 seconds if you don't have local? Wow, you really must suck.

p.s. No local increases the chance of getting fights, as the people 5 systems away haven't just docked up, cos an alt in a station reported you in a system you just passed through.

I find it hard to believe there are people who think it should take even longer to find a good fight in eve.

Having local is far from a "start match" button.

Right now if I fly solo, I will get one decent fight about every hour and a half. If I am in a small gang of say 8 cruisers and down it will take about 4 hours. Sure we will get some ganks along the way but as far as good fights that could conceivably go either way those times are pretty good.


So how much longer do you want to have to warp scouts around looking for fights? Do you think you should have to warp around new eden for 8 hours before we get a decent pvp fight?

You are definitely correct that losing local will decrease the frequency of good pvp fights in eve. We agree there. I just think they should look for ways to increase the amount of action per hour (although i am against arenas). But anyway how many fewer good fights do you want?

I don't see a problem with changing local. You still have to spam your d-scan when you're roaming just so you know who's actually flying and who's docked or AFK. All local does is protect nullbears while they rat or mine. Guess what, null-sec is supposed to be dangerous. Just learn to use your d-scan, or stop being lazy if that's the reason. HTFU

You are definitely correct that losing local will decrease the frequency of good pvp fights in eve. We agree there. I just think they should look for ways to increase the amount of action per hour (although i am against arenas). But anyway how many fewer good fights do you want?

thank you for your valuable opinion npc corp poster

Where did I say that losing local will decrease the frequency of good fights in eve??




It requires far less time and effort to avoid conflict due to the local channel than it takes an aggressor to find and successfully engage someone using local channel.

The reason "no local intel" works in W-space is that there are no static routes. Bookmarks become useless in 16 to 36 hours (usually much less).

No local chat/intel + Stationary gates = ?

On the plus side, you *do* get used to being more aware of your surroundings and using d-scan...

I like that Worm Holes are different, i would (*personally*) like to keep them different...

If you want a good idea of how nullsec would be with delayed local, let's just remove the cynojamming from wh-space and put in wormhole stabilizers. From the threads I've read in Assembly Hall and Jita Park, wormhole residents think it would be really good for w-space.

Dont like the way high sec is? Dont like local?

Go live in WH


problem solved

If you want a good idea of how nullsec would be with delayed local, let's just remove the cynojamming from wh-space and put in wormhole stabilizers. From the threads I've read in Assembly Hall and Jita Park, wormhole residents think it would be really good for w-space.

Fact of the matter is, other then delayed local, every other aspect of w-space favours the defender compared to 0.0. And even then only 5% of players choose to live there. I can't imagine how anyone could imagine that a version of delayed local with static routes, far less reward and cyno hot drops would do any better.

yeah but then I have to scan and stuff, plus the guys living there know how to use d-scan

i just want to right-click set destination to a 0.0 system, warp to belt and kill a hulk

screw you nullbear for crapping on my dreams

That "strong interest in no local" came from a very small handful of players and their army of alts.

CCP generally doesn't bow to the wims of a tiny minority and their terribad ideas, regardless how loud they an their alts cry.

Where did I say that losing local will decrease the frequency of good fights in eve??




It requires far less time and effort to avoid conflict due to the local channel than it takes an aggressor to find and successfully engage someone using local channel.

You're wrong.
There was general consensus within CCP that local chat as an intel tool is an issue. Period.

The point now is, what position is it in the backlog?

Again if you only see pvp in eve as ganks then yeah removing local will help pvp - until all the pvers move out of low and null sec. In the long run it will be like wormholes - where pvp is much less frequent.

Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.



Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.


True story.

Is there something I could read from Fanfest or something about it? Also, how do the wormhole folks feel about no local? Good? Mostly Good? Not-so-good? "Wormhole dwellers" ... I suppose Wormbears wouldn't be a better term.

Yes, we all want to bumble around nullsec blind and unnable to find fights.



Not being able to pvp will make us all very very happy.


True story.

I dont really care either way.

But given a choice, I would let it as it is. Even if I would benefit more of its absence.

The proposed change favours much the hunter, and gimps the prey.

In the end, we all need the carebears, they are part of our ecosystem.

Yes there's ways around it, this and that and whatever is already said, but in the end the game will be more cumbersome for the people already doing combersome tasks.

This solution benefits the hunters regarding getting preys in a casual roam, but I believe it will as well make the universe more stale and less dinamic thinking about the big picture.

With intel comming harder, fleet movements will also be fewer and slower.

You're wrong.
There was general consensus within CCP that local chat as an intel tool is an issue. Period.

The point now is, what position is it in the backlog?

I love wormholes. They are where the elite of the elite go, to "finish" eve .

Definitely the best solution. This way nobody is 'blinded' as it was put, but local is also no longer the best scouting tool players have.

A Goon afraid of hunters? Are you worried of high sec carebears being hunted or are you refering to nullbears?

Good intel is a double edged sword. You can argue it causes more fights to happen or less fights to happen.

You can't argue that delayed local causes more fights to happen when CCP Diagoras' stats have w-space pvp activity trailing behind everywhere except highsec.

You can't argue that delayed local causes more fights to happen when CCP Diagoras' stats have w-space pvp activity trailing behind everywhere except highsec.

It's impossible to say whether this is a causual relationship

You can't argue that delayed local causes more fights to happen when CCP Diagoras' stats have w-space pvp activity trailing behind everywhere except highsec.

What you need to accept that that the pve activity that you wish to prey on needs an incentive to actually do in nullsec instead of in highsec, not some sort of additional hurdle added.

Was that a serious comment or... are you ********?

Easy counter for local... Cloaky alts!

Move them around every few hours so they at least look active, and intel is no longer reliable, amazing how that works.