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Efrim Black
Gallente
Apellon
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:24:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Thann Starlinbow
No he won't. And no one else will be able to, either. Because you're not looking at it from the right perspective. If you don't have the mental capacity to understand that, that's not my fault. (see what I did there?)
Yeah, I see what you did there. It's not a matter of perspective. It's pretty cut and dry. You offer no new alternatives while removing an option thats been in the game for a long time.
So you're removing options without providing any viable alternatives, and I'm pretty sure that perspective has nothing to do with that.
See what I did there? |
Linavin
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:26:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Tarminic
Kill them with fire. I don't care that I'll lose SP. They are the biggest waste of time and a completely arbitrary timesink that discourages new players. New players should be discouraged by the fact that New Eden is a cold, harsh world, not because you have to spend a month essentially training nothing so you can be competitive.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:30:00 -
[63]
learning skills just discourage people, give everyone lvl 4 basics and lvl 2-3 advanced learning skills for free. when the people who stand to lose out are supporting an idea, its the only real choice. |
Thann Starlinbow
Minmatar
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:30:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Efrim Black
Originally by: Thann Starlinbow
No he won't. And no one else will be able to, either. Because you're not looking at it from the right perspective. If you don't have the mental capacity to understand that, that's not my fault. (see what I did there?)
Yeah, I see what you did there. It's not a matter of perspective. It's pretty cut and dry. You offer no new alternatives while removing an option thats been in the game for a long time.
So you're removing options without providing any viable alternatives, and I'm pretty sure that perspective has nothing to do with that.
See what I did there?
Because what this game needs more of is terrible options that arn't really options. :colbert: |
Dark Flare
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:38:00 -
[65]
I was quoting you. The direct quote is "In some ways it feels nice to not have a cookie cutter character, that it's nice to have some individuality even in how fast you train your skills."
I just translated it. |
Lady Spank
Amarr
Suddenly Whingers
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:45:00 -
[66]
I love paying for a game then being put on hold for two months to get on with it in a productive manner.
Learning skills are just a gimp to new players. I want to be able to play to the best of my ability right from the get go, and no I don't mean I wish I started with level V's across the board. This is just a time sink everyone has to go through. Christ, anyone that chooses NOT to go through this rigmarole is just going to feel cheated later on in the game.
TLDR: Get rid of learning Skills. |
Thann Starlinbow
Minmatar
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:47:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Lady Spank
I love paying for a game then being put on hold for two months to get on with it in a productive manner.
Learning skills are just a gimp to new players. I want to be able to play to the best of my ability right from the get go, and no I don't mean I wish I started with level V's across the board. This is just a time sink everyone has to go through. Christ, anyone that chooses NOT to go through this rigmarole is just going to feel cheated later on in the game.
TLDR: Get rid of learning Skills.
Please put a checkmark in the "give support" box when you post. More support = more attention. :) |
Vanillilililliilliliilin
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:55:00 -
[68]
Definitely remove them, give everyone +10 by default, and refund all existing SP that people have trained. |
Mael Marcellus
The Dancing Cow
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Posted - 2009.02.05 22:57:00 -
[69]
Refund, remove, +10 across the board it. |
Amantus
0utbreak
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:08:00 -
[70]
Get rid of them, +9 or +10. Gogo. |
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jeffb
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:15:00 -
[71]
Edited by: jeffb on 05/02/2009 23:14:52
scrap all learning skills, boost all character attributes, allow player to redistribute skill points invested through some fancy web interface.
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Jolin Ires
Static Shock Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:17:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Jolin Ires on 05/02/2009 23:17:48
Originally by: jeffb
Edited by: jeffb on 05/02/2009 23:14:52
scrap all learning skills, boost all character attributes, allow player to redistribute skill points invested through some fancy web interface.
Since they are implementing the skill queue come the patch in march, they can integrate redistributing sp on a modified queue system.
Possibly?
Edited to show support.
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Ancorehraq sis
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:23:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Tarminic
Kill it. The learning skill tree is absolutely pointless as anything other than a near-mandatory skill link imposed during the first month or two of gameplay.
It's like not being allowed into a car dealership unless Blocky the Angry Bouncer punches you in the face first.
Apologies to fans of being punched in the face.
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Star Dancer
Advanced Investigations
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:24:00 -
[74]
I'm definitely not an alt of the previous poster.
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Scoutingfor Gatecamps
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:27:00 -
[75]
Those are my shoes. Give them back. They don't even fit.. you are a dog.
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Marcellus Corteaz
Alt Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:28:00 -
[76]
Yes.
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:29:00 -
[77]
Awox approves this product and/or service.
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William Hart
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:32:00 -
[78]
So do I!
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Ting Zhan
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:33:00 -
[79]
ching chong wing wong eve gold for sale 300=$1
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PerfectFool
PerfectFool's Lottery
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:36:00 -
[80]
Supportan. |
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NanoDerek
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:36:00 -
[81]
Edited by: NanoDerek on 05/02/2009 23:36:20
MOAR SUPPORT.
NANONANONANO. |
Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:38:00 -
[82]
No thanks. |
Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:40:00 -
[83]
Dissenting opinion checking in. |
Milena Rage
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:41:00 -
[84]
Offsetting PoD. NONONONO. |
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:43:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Awox
Awox approves this product and/or service.
If this gentleman approves, so do I. |
Mistress Sindall
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:45:00 -
[86]
Adding support for this idea! |
van Uber
SAE Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:47:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Efrim Black
Originally by: van Uber
Originally by: Efrim Black
I have not yet seen a significant reason to have the skill books removed.
I have yet to see a compelling reason for the skill books to stay. Discourage new players to log in is not one.
Then you didn't read/understand my post. They form a Dichotomy with implants that shouldn't be tampered with unless scrapping all of it. Implants, Learning Skills, anything that boosts skills.
More Options > Less options.
But I did. I just dont *agree* with you.
Anything that acts as a deterrent for new players to continue playing is bad, even if it means More Options. |
ChuckNorris InSpace
Minmatar
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:47:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Nnamuachs
Remove learning skills... no base attribute bonus beyond implants... "no" +10 in place of learning skills... reallocate learning skill sp to other skills, no more discussion on learning skills.
this tbh..
this game has HUUUUUGE number of customisable options and HUUUGE scope
learning isnt an option everyone has to do it at the expenense of time on other skills.
learning is a VERY good example of an extra dynamic added to the game which SIMPLY DOESNT NEED to be there, it serves no purpose as everyone trains learning ot the same level anyway, the only part which is optional is implants as some people choose not to expend the money and take the podding risk.
..no need for learning to stay in the game, i would have alot of respect for CCP if they were to trim some fat off the game.
can you really say, without the complete non-choice that is learning, the game would be worse off?
and wouldn't have enough choices and scope? |
Efrim Black
Gallente
Apellon
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Posted - 2009.02.05 23:59:00 -
[89]
Originally by: van Uber
Anything that acts as a deterrent for new players to continue playing is bad, even if it means More Options.
So the steep learning curve, current lack of an avatar, excel in space interface, and lack of any grind-for-skill system are all bad things? They drive away plenty of new players.
If we weed out everything that might deter new players, we'd just get another generic MMO. I'm sorry, but part of what makes this game unique is the number of options. You people supporting do not seem to really think of the implications of removing the current learning skills and just giving everyone +10 points across the board...
This would leave only One way to increase attributes. Implants. Basically, if you grind for money, you train skills faster, otherwise, you're screwed. So my proposal is pretty simple. If you're going to be so brash as to tear this down. Tear the entire system down, remove implants as well.
Oh wait, then you lose a major ISK sink and the economy starts falling apart. Stupid logic. |
Louella Dougans
Amarr
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2009.02.06 00:08:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Efrim Black
So my proposal is pretty simple.
what about the compromise Shirley posted earlier? lvl4 basics, lvl1 advanced, trim some sp from other starting skills.
that way, those that want to invest in the long term can still do so, but people in the trial account can experience more of the fun stuff before committing to the waiting game? |
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