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Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:03:22 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:20 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:00 I have to bring to the table a very, very serious question of CCP's dedication/commitment! I ask, how does CCP bring EVE- to the forefront of MMOs when they consistantly fail to maintain the player base with large numbers- (Via Pvp fights)--- Or simple systems like Jita? Now, with it already being said, I know the first 15 posts of pathetic blowhards that ALWAYS RUIN EVERY POST OF MERIT POSTED will quickly run in -------IN before you SHUT THE FUK UP. I at this point still have to post for (myself and those)-- beyond the UBER stoopid/relentless that fill these forums like a plauqe and wonder why I have an 8 Megebite cable connection (that yes dominates most of the time) but, when I realize its not my connection its CCP's inferior capability, to the point, CCP the Lag is and has been unacceptable! How many posts until CCP wakes up? And how many post until CCP wants to be the new MMO of power?
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:03:00 - [2] I dont lag in jita at all anymore and I can fight in ever bigger fights with little to no lag. The only time I do lag is in the mega blobs.
Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:05:00 - [3] Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:07:46 Originally by: baltec1 I dont lag in jita at all anymore and I can fight in ever bigger fights with little to no lag. The only time I do lag is in the mega blobs. I call your bluff what T2 connection you play on, via from a work Data base connect? For those who dont know t1 has been phased out. I pay nearly 65 monhly for a 8 meg connection no, its not the best but, its SEDCOND BEST, Whats better A+ connection--- that'll cost you 250$ to 300$ a month depending on your local cable provider! Do not play with me!
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Vurion I call your bluff what T2 connection you play on, vai from a work Data base connect? For those who dont know t1 has been phased out. Having a ú400 graphics card helps.
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:07:46 Originally by: baltec1 I dont lag in jita at all anymore and I can fight in ever bigger fights with little to no lag. The only time I do lag is in the mega blobs. I call your bluff what T2 connection you play on, via from a work Data base connect? For those who dont know t1 has been phased out. I pay nearly 65 monhly for a 8 meg connection no, its not the best but, its SEDCOND BEST, Whats better A+ connection--- that'll cost you 250$ to 300$ a month depending on your local cable provider! Do not play with me! lol wut? T2 internets? Where can I get one of those?
Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:09:00 - [6] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Vurion I call your bluff what T2 connection you play on, vai from a work Data base connect? For those who dont know t1 has been phased out. Having a ú400 graphics card helps. LOL, now we have a system challenge. Give me a break quad core, 4 Megs 64 bit Vista, 2 512 cards!
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Vurion Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Vurion I call your bluff what T2 connection you play on, vai from a work Data base connect? For those who dont know t1 has been phased out. Having a ú400 graphics card helps. LOL, now we have a system challenge. Give me a break quad core, 4 Megs 64 bit Vista, 2 512 cards! Bolded your problem there buddy.
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:03:22 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:20 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:00 I have to bring to the table a very, very serious question of CCP's dedication/commitment! I ask, how does CCP bring EVE- to the forefront of MMOs when they consistantly fail to maintain the player base with large numbers- (Via Pvp fights)--- Or simple systems like Jita? Now, with it already being said, I know the first 15 posts of pathetic blowhards that ALWAYS RUIN EVERY POST OF MERIT POSTED will quickly run in -------IN before you SHUT THE FUK UP. I at this point still have to post for (myself and those)-- beyond the UBER stoopid/relentless that fill these forums like a plauqe and wonder why I have an 8 Megebite cable connection (that yes dominates most of the time) but, when I realize its not my connection its CCP's inferior capability, to the point, CCP the Lag is and has been unacceptable! How many posts until CCP wakes up? And how many post until CCP wants to be the new MMO of power? Euhm there aren't a lot of MMORPG's (actually none that I know) where fights between 500 players are playable (and 250 on each side isn't even such a big fight in eve terms).
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Vurion LOL, now we have a system challenge. Give me a break quad core, 4 Megs 64 bit Vista, 2 512 cards! I used to have a crap PC and suffered lag with classic client. Since upgrading the PC I have no issues. Im just a technovoid but, since I dont get your problems then it makes sence that its not a problem with CCP.
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Vurion Originally by: baltec1 Having a ú400 graphics card helps. LOL, now we have a system challenge. Give me a break quad core, 4 Megs 64 bit Vista, 2 512 cards! If you really have that setup, I feel sorry for you. Besides, it doesn't matter whether you have a 256k DSL connection or a 50Mbit full fiber line, if CCP's ISPs can't keep up with traffic demands (cough telecity cough), then the quality of your connection makes no difference.

Novantco The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:20:00 - [11] My computer is better than yours nah na na na naa.
Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Allen Ramses Originally by: Vurion Originally by: baltec1 Having a ú400 graphics card helps. LOL, now we have a system challenge. Give me a break quad core, 4 Megs 64 bit Vista, 2 512 cards! If you really have that setup, I feel sorry for you. Besides, it doesn't matter whether you have a 256k DSL connection or a 50Mbit full fiber line, if CCP's ISPs can't keep up with traffic demands (cough telecity cough), then the quality of your connection makes no difference. You mean your Jealous as HECK! You're right Its all on CCP! Thats my point- if they want to be forerunner in MMOs they are failing on the bigger scale!
Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Novantco My computer is better than yours nah na na na naa. LOL!! How funny everything out the 80s -music/movies etc kicks ass to almost everything today!
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:28:00 - [14] I have a 10mbit residential cable connection, nothing special i have a 2 and a half year old computer that was only mid range when i bought it i just had a big fleet fight in a system with 700 people with no lag now tbh theres lots of reasons people can get lag but fact is i rarely see it unless there are fights including a huge amount of people in some random system. I also have 0 lag in jita so in total im 90% sure the issue here is you. But its only a theory.
panterus29 Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:30:00 - [15] i hardly have any problems running at 20% connection on a wireless card connected to my neighbors router. another thing ive noticed is you said they arent working on this problem but the fact is they are and better yet they even play the game regularly, so that means not only do they listen but they experience the problems for themselves and know where and what they are seems to me it has been getting better even in the short time i have been playing and they have already promised to make it better in the future.and even today there seems to have been 1200 people in jita alone today with little to no problem aside from the fact no more could fit in it, and ofc everyone understanding it was unussually busy and writing off the bit of lag that they did experience. personnally i dont see the problem unless your isp claims to have more transfer than is actually present regardless of the size of the cable. another fact is that eve is one of the easiest connect mmos out there that actually provides fully intense interaction between players, the need for a strong connection is almost negated with this game
DaDutchDude Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:30:00 - [16] Edited by: DaDutchDude on 09/02/2009 00:31:21 The lag you experience will in 99% of the cases have nothing to do with network bandwith, neither on your side nor on CCPs side. It MIGHT have something to do with network latency (although I doubt it), but that's something completely different. Your statements reflect how little you know about what you talk about. Lag is in reality related to concurrent users. As the number of concurrent users on ANY computer system goes up, the load goes up almost exponentially. The solution is to split up load over more hardware. However, this is limited to your ability to split processes up and to the actual cost of having a more complex server infrastructure and software infrastructure. CCP is doing as much as they can within those constraints to deal with it, but there will always be limitations to what they will be able to do. They have explained this and told us what they are doing about it in several dev blogs and forum posts at time of the Quantum Rise release. How many posts until users pull their head out of their ass and actually read dev responses and accept the reality of them? And how many post will you make before you emoragequit and give me all your stuff? Now STFU already ...
Vak'ran	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:36:00 - [17] OP and his 8meg connection are fail. Often i'm on a cell connection, HSDPA and GPRS when i'm really unlucky. Guess what? NOT A HITCH! Does the OP send his government angry letters when it rains?
echohead	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:41:00 - [18] Yes lag is bad, but like some other posters said nothing even comes close to the size and scope of eve. There are more people within a few systems in eve than there are in whole shards of WOW. Also what other game has battles with up to 1500 people?
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:03:22 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:20 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:00 I have to bring to the table a very, very serious question of CCP's dedication/commitment! I ask, how does CCP bring EVE- to the forefront of MMOs when they consistantly fail to maintain the player base with large numbers- (Via Pvp fights)--- Or simple systems like Jita? Now, with it already being said, I know the first 15 posts of pathetic blowhards that ALWAYS RUIN EVERY POST OF MERIT POSTED will quickly run in -------IN before you SHUT THE FUK UP. I at this point still have to post for (myself and those)-- beyond the UBER stoopid/relentless that fill these forums like a plauqe and wonder why I have an 8 Megebite cable connection (that yes dominates most of the time) but, when I realize its not my connection its CCP's inferior capability, to the point, CCP the Lag is and has been unacceptable! How many posts until CCP wakes up? And how many post until CCP wants to be the new MMO of power? Understand teh internets then come back K? PS 20mb cable here and thats nowere near the best so second best what?
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.02.09 00:47:00 - [20] Originally by: echohead Yes lag is bad, but like some other posters said nothing even comes close to the size and scope of eve. There are more people within a few systems in eve than there are in whole shards of WOW. Also what other game has battles with up to 1500 people? Few players would complain if what we see was only lag. The problem is that EVE ceases to work correctly, it exhibits the strangest bugs/inconsistencies in the presence of lag. There must be some really sloppy programming behind this. E.g. when you warp and the distance to the target goes up, then down, then up again ... Or when there are things on the overview that are not even in the current system, or when the distance shown on the overview has nothing to do with the distance the client thinks it is at etc. etc.

Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Firkragg I have a 10mbit residential cable connection, nothing special i have a 2 and a half year old computer that was only mid range when i bought it i just had a big fleet fight in a system with 700 people with no lag now tbh theres lots of reasons people can get lag but fact is i rarely see it unless there are fights including a huge amount of people in some random system. I also have 0 lag in jita so in total im 90% sure the issue here is you. But its only a theory. This. Could be a ISP/connectivity issue. An alliancemate of mine from Japan is having issues getting disconnected, and same goes with a friend I'm talking to in a public channel. Myself? I went through Jita smoothly on my alt, while running 4 clients on this PC, same time I streamed the alliance tournament with the higher res. Just saying it does seem like there is an issue, but it seems it's between the players ISP, and CCP's server. Or the player just have crap set up wrong.
Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:28:00 - [22] Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:32:53 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:30:59 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:29:01 See thats the problem! The last 8 players who posted felt this was a P...ing contest! You all FAIL! The entire reason I made this post was like many before me, was to show the incomptence of CCP! If, I Have a 8 Meg connection and a Uber RIG, then those who dont I am Argueing forrrrrrrrrrrrr! Sure Ok, even when there is 1300 in Jita I yes can wait out the 2 th 4 minuts Lag (BUT WHY)!!!!! So, I state for those without the serious connection and Rig, I say does anyone , errrrrrrrrrr CCP give a holy ** about them. I ponder this when my own ship is stuck between New Caldari and JIta!! That is why CCP needs to be better and why you f...sticks with the pen.s size problems need to STFU and help with the fight! I thought we all paid hard earned money at least I do, so those who would *** at my posts, are given their money by Mommy or Daady!
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:30:59 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:29:01 See thats the problem! The last 8 players who posted felt this was a P...ing contest! You all FAIL! The entire reason I made this post was like many before me, was to show the incomptence of CCP! If, I Have a 8 Meg connection and a Uber RIG, then those who dont I am Argueing forrrrrrrrrrrrr! Sure Ok, even when there is 1300 in Jita I yes can wait out the 2 th 4 minuts Lag (BUT WHY)!!!!! So, I state for those without the serious connection and Rig, I say does anyone , errrrrrrrrrr CCP give a holy ** about them. I ponder this when my own ship is stuck between New Caldari and JIta!! That is why CCP needs to be better and why you f...sticks with the pen.s size problems need to STFU and help with the fight! Your a **ing tard dude. If you think your connection isn't the problem then have CCP hire you so you can code a better network interface yourself.
Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:34:00 - [24] Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:34:53 Originally by: Yeshua Christ Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:30:59 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:29:01 See thats the problem! The last 8 players who posted felt this was a P...ing contest! You all FAIL! The entire reason I made this post was like many before me, was to show the incomptence of CCP! If, I Have a 8 Meg connection and a Uber RIG, then those who dont I am Argueing forrrrrrrrrrrrr! Sure Ok, even when there is 1300 in Jita I yes can wait out the 2 th 4 minuts Lag (BUT WHY)!!!!! So, I state for those without the serious connection and Rig, I say does anyone , errrrrrrrrrr CCP give a holy ** about them. I ponder this when my own ship is stuck between New Caldari and JIta!! That is why CCP needs to be better and why you f...sticks with the pen.s size problems need to STFU and help with the fight! Your a **ing tard dude. If you think your connection isn't the problem then have CCP hire you so you can code a better network interface yourself. The relentless blowhard I spoke of! Stop ,makeing excuses, for the facts!
Kendrix Arathan Minmatar N00bs With Guns	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 09/02/2009 01:40:24 Posting to confirm that CCP (not al gore) owns the internet, and thus all lag is their fault.
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:34:53 Originally by: Yeshua Christ Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:30:59 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:29:01 See thats the problem! The last 8 players who posted felt this was a P...ing contest! You all FAIL! The entire reason I made this post was like many before me, was to show the incomptence of CCP! If, I Have a 8 Meg connection and a Uber RIG, then those who dont I am Argueing forrrrrrrrrrrrr! Sure Ok, even when there is 1300 in Jita I yes can wait out the 2 th 4 minuts Lag (BUT WHY)!!!!! So, I state for those without the serious connection and Rig, I say does anyone , errrrrrrrrrr CCP give a holy ** about them. I ponder this when my own ship is stuck between New Caldari and JIta!! That is why CCP needs to be better and why you f...sticks with the pen.s size problems need to STFU and help with the fight! Your a **ing tard dude. If you think your connection isn't the problem then have CCP hire you so you can code a better network interface yourself. The relentless blowhard I spoke of! Stop ,makeing excuses, for the facts! Relentless indeed for I wage forum warz upon tardish trolls to drive them forthwith back unto their bridge homes with fire.
Xipheas Evolving Strategies	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:32:53 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:30:59 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:29:01 See thats the problem! The last 8 players who posted felt this was a P...ing contest! You all FAIL! The entire reason I made this post was like many before me, was to show the incomptence of CCP! If, I Have a 8 Meg connection and a Uber RIG, then those who dont I am Argueing forrrrrrrrrrrrr! Sure Ok, even when there is 1300 in Jita I yes can wait out the 2 th 4 minuts Lag (BUT WHY)!!!!! So, I state for those without the serious connection and Rig, I say does anyone , errrrrrrrrrr CCP give a holy ** about them. I ponder this when my own ship is stuck between New Caldari and JIta!! That is why CCP needs to be better and why you f...sticks with the pen.s size problems need to STFU and help with the fight! I thought we all paid hard earned money at least I do, so those who would *** at my posts, are given their money by Mommy or Daady! Then I guess I just imagined undocking from jita 4-4 on my lowly win2k / single X1950Pro / 2Gb ram machine, over a Virgin Media 2Gb cable line with no problems while there were 1074 people in system. Oh wait, maybe because I'd zoomed out, minimized the overview and hidden all brackets, it was smooth as a baby's ass. Seriously, I mean, 8 months ago 550 people in Jita on a Sunday brought the cluster to it's knees - I say progress is being made big time, tbh. But, yeah, it's obviously CCP's problem that this performance is so rubbish and we clearly need to stop being tools by pointing out that we don't see the same problems you do, and rush to support your badly-formed, ill-concieved and profanity-ridden emorage.
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:32:53 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:30:59 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:29:01 See thats the problem! The last 8 players who posted felt this was a P...ing contest! You all FAIL! The entire reason I made this post was like many before me, was to show the incomptence of CCP! If, I Have a 8 Meg connection and a Uber RIG, then those who dont I am Argueing forrrrrrrrrrrrr! Sure Ok, even when there is 1300 in Jita I yes can wait out the 2 th 4 minuts Lag (BUT WHY)!!!!! So, I state for those without the serious connection and Rig, I say does anyone , errrrrrrrrrr CCP give a holy ** about them. I ponder this when my own ship is stuck between New Caldari and JIta!! That is why CCP needs to be better and why you f...sticks with the pen.s size problems need to STFU and help with the fight! I thought we all paid hard earned money at least I do, so those who would *** at my posts, are given their money by Mommy or Daady! Let me guess, you are American? Anyways CCP is doing quite a decent job considering the load so I wouldn't call it incompetence... Sure it can be frustrating but seriously there are some problems which you just can't solve with more servers. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:26:48 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:07:46 Originally by: baltec1 I dont lag in jita at all anymore and I can fight in ever bigger fights with little to no lag. The only time I do lag is in the mega blobs. I call your bluff what T2 connection you play on, via from a work Data base connect? For those who dont know t1 has been phased out. I pay nearly 65 monthly for a 8 meg connection no, its not the best but, its SEDCOND BEST, Whats better A+ connection--- that'll cost you 250$ to 300$ a month depending on your local cable provider! Do not play with me! I pay $30 a month for 20 meg down and 3 meg up and it still won't make a rats arse of a difference if one of the isp that are between my provider and the ccp proxies are 'shaping' my packets or just has a crappy routing system lagging them out. Lag happens. So to counter your argument I've been on all day long and had zero lag though so don't know what to say about your issues really. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:51:00 - [30] Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:53:16 To counter the Past 5 comments, ok ok ok ok ok ok 5 hundred times CCP is doing the best they can ok FINE! They better do better when more come on board, via the box. Lies all lies when someone anyone says I havent any lag issues blah, blah LIES i KNOW IT AND YOU KNOW IT, fact is I admit it!

Kendrix Arathan Minmatar N00bs With Guns	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:54:00 - [31] Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 09/02/2009 01:54:31 Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:03:22 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:20 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:00 I have an 8 Megebite cable connection I have a 2MB connection and a computer that's at least a year old... no lag here... judging by your posting I'd say that the problem is a short some where between the keyboard and the chair.. Also, WTH is this guy feeling baby's asses Originally by: Xipheas it was smooth as a baby's ass. .
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:57:00 - [32] The best way to make a point is to attempt to insult everyone that is going to disagree with you. Especially when there are people with lower speed cable connections that have no problems doing anything in jita. calling people idiots and blowhards ahead of time gives you massive credibility!
Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Kendrix Arathan Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 09/02/2009 01:54:31 Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:03:22 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:20 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:00 I have an 8 Megebite cable connection I have a 2MB connection and a computer that's at least a year old... no lag here... judging by your posting I'd say that the problem is a short some where between the keyboard and the chair.. Also, WTH is this guy feeling baby's asses Originally by: Xipheas it was smooth as a baby's ass. . Just I said before this guys post, LIARS AND HE LIES, so this guy above hasnt been to Jita>???
Kendrix Arathan Minmatar N00bs With Guns	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:58:00 - [34] Originally by: ShardowRhino The best way to make a point is to attempt to insult everyone that is going to disagree with you. you sir are wise in the ways on the internet
Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:59:00 - [35] Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 02:00:18 Originally by: ShardowRhino The best way to make a point is to attempt to insult everyone that is going to disagree with you. Especially when there are people with lower speed cable connections that have no problems doing anything in jita. calling people idiots and blowhards ahead of time gives you massive credibility! Yes well arnt you the smartest apple in the barrel , applaud everyone!!!!
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:59:00 - [36] This thread delivers.
Vurion	Posted - 2009.02.09 02:00:00 - [37] Originally by: Kendrix Arathan Originally by: ShardowRhino The best way to make a point is to attempt to insult everyone that is going to disagree with you. you sir are wise in the ways on the internet Bahhhhhaaaaaa says the sheep! Just useing my ultra fast connection.
Kendrix Arathan Minmatar N00bs With Guns	Posted - 2009.02.09 02:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Vurion Just I said before this guys post, LIARS AND HE LIES, so this guy above hasnt been to Jita>??? You are lying, there is no lag, not even in Jita. Every one who plays this game knows that lag doesn't exist. It has been proven 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is 0% lag in EVE, stop making things up.
Sgt Blade Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.02.09 02:12:00 - [39] I seem to be fine so far, I'm on a 11mbit connect and have yet to come across any lag on TQ for a very long time
MidnightMartyr Gallente NailorTech Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.09 03:35:00 - [40] Edited by: MidnightMartyr on 09/02/2009 03:38:06 My max internet speed is 5 meg and my computer is 3-4 years old. (note that I have replaced/upgraded most everything in there with the exception of the power supply, motherboard and CPU. However my GPU is a 8600 GTS and I've only got 2 gigs of ram) Oddly enough I rarely lag in jita, and that's only on the rare Sunday when I NEED to head into jita. Still lag in big fleet fights though.... Edit: In B4 OP asserts that I am lying. To the OP, unfortunately there is no cure for being a jackass, nor is there one for Internet-tough-guy syndrome. Also In B4 OP attempts to flame me.

Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.02.09 03:42:00 - [41] Originally by: Vurion See thats the problem! The last 8 players who posted felt this was a P...ing contest! Oh, I found the problem. Had forgot to put my troll detector on. goes to the kitchen to pick up some coffee
MidnightMartyr Gallente NailorTech Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.09 03:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Yeshua Christ Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:34:53 Originally by: Yeshua Christ Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:30:59 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 01:29:01 See thats the problem! The last 8 players who posted felt this was a P...ing contest! You all FAIL! The entire reason I made this post was like many before me, was to show the incomptence of CCP! If, I Have a 8 Meg connection and a Uber RIG, then those who dont I am Argueing forrrrrrrrrrrrr! Sure Ok, even when there is 1300 in Jita I yes can wait out the 2 th 4 minuts Lag (BUT WHY)!!!!! So, I state for those without the serious connection and Rig, I say does anyone , errrrrrrrrrr CCP give a holy ** about them. I ponder this when my own ship is stuck between New Caldari and JIta!! That is why CCP needs to be better and why you f...sticks with the pen.s size problems need to STFU and help with the fight! Your a **ing tard dude. If you think your connection isn't the problem then have CCP hire you so you can code a better network interface yourself. The relentless blowhard I spoke of! Stop ,makeing excuses, for the facts! Relentless indeed for I wage forum warz upon tardish trolls to drive them forthwith back unto their bridge homes with fire. Agreed. Trolls belong under the bridge. Or if they are the variety with the colorful hair, on the dresser of a pre-teen girl from the 90s. Either is a fitting punishment.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.09 04:03:00 - [43] Edited by: Armoured C on 09/02/2009 04:05:34 Edited by: Armoured C on 09/02/2009 04:03:46 ok i am running 8MB connection from BT which costs me only ú25 quid a month with a 2ram and a single 512 nvidia 8600GT dual core 32 bit processor, and i just finish having a massive fight with 900 people in local with out a single bit of lag, my clone was set to jita ( because when i die i want a new ship obviously ) and jita was also lag free. you have to consider 3 things infact , 1 you actually lying and you pc isnt what you specd at all and you have a bland generic machine which couldnt handle a hairdrier going off with out catching a virus 2, you isp provider is trafic shaping and for that reason you connection to the server which you paying for big bucks is you getting ripped off, 3. it one of the above , sicne everyone else is not complaining of lag , i see no stuck in jita poasts like we used to get and generally sicne they brought in the new blades and put jita, mission hubs on there own node lag has been minmal across the board, but i can ganrente you that it is your end and there is no other forum warrior and am the one Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr	Posted - 2009.02.09 04:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:26:48 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:07:46 Originally by: baltec1 I dont lag in jita at all anymore and I can fight in ever bigger fights with little to no lag. The only time I do lag is in the mega blobs. I call your bluff what T2 connection you play on, via from a work Data base connect? For those who dont know t1 has been phased out. I pay nearly 65 monthly for a 8 meg connection no, its not the best but, its SEDCOND BEST, Whats better A+ connection--- that'll cost you 250$ to 300$ a month depending on your local cable provider! Do not play with me! You're paying too much. My 12 meg is $60/month
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.09 04:10:00 - [45] we only haz 8 mb here in the uk , we suck and are the worst in the world =( i mean come on were barly getting fibre optics just rolling out
Master Han The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.09 04:15:00 - [46] Originally by: Armoured C we only haz 8 mb here in the uk , we suck and are the worst in the world =( i mean come on were barly getting fibre optics just rolling out I envy your mighty connection speeds. Try playing from Ethiopia. I usually play w/ under a 128k connection. And Jita barely lags, takes about 2-3 seconds to load for me vs. the old 30-90 seconds it used to take. And that is probably due to me jumping into system with a market window open. Anyone else thing the OP is a WoW troll
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.09 05:58:00 - [47] No worries, there will be an influx of thousands and and outflux of thousands and we will all be right back where we were....40K people :)
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.09 06:55:00 - [48] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Vurion LOL, now we have a system challenge. Give me a break quad core, 4 Megs 64 bit Vista, 2 512 cards! I used to have a crap PC and suffered lag with classic client. Since upgrading the PC I have no issues. Im just a technovoid but, since I dont get your problems then it makes sence that its not a problem with CCP. Confirmin this
Kalia Masaer Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.02.09 07:35:00 - [49] I get lag depending on how full my router and modem's buffers are, unplug them both for a coupe minutes lag goes bye bye. I also had a few days I was being routed through a provider in seatle that was giving me 10-15% packet loss and a ping of about 250 from just their routing and it made almost everything impossible slow reminicent of the days of a 14.4 modems and playing games was next to impossible due to the packet loss. Do a tracert and post it before you complain about whose fault lag is. Also try playing with all your settings on minimum to see if there is some flaw on your end, sometimes there is a hicup on your end in the is not letting a program utilize your hardware properly. And if you are running a torrent program in the background without making sure to limit it from using the bandwidth a game wants to use you will get lag from hell.
Keldar Anassi	Posted - 2009.02.09 07:46:00 - [50] Chiming in with my 30mbit Fiber Optic connection... 0 Lag EVER. I even run 4 computers (2 on EVE, other 2 Torrentz) through the same connection, and one server. Oh, and i only pay 20USD a month :)

Grek Forto THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.09 07:56:00 - [51] Go hide under a bridge. ...but if this is a serious post. Give me all your stuffz.
Lethos Aranis THE BLACK RAGE FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2009.02.09 08:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Yeshua Christ lol wut? T2 internets? Where can I get one of those? South Korea.
zibelthurdos Hoshi's Mining and Logistics	Posted - 2009.02.09 08:26:00 - [53] CCP is hiring, go fix it. ----------------------------------------------- Don't think of it as dying, Think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush
Entreri Finwe The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.09 08:29:00 - [54] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:03:22 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:20 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:00 I have to bring to the table a very, very serious question of CCP's dedication/commitment! I ask, how does CCP bring EVE- to the forefront of MMOs when they consistantly fail to maintain the player base with large numbers- (Via Pvp fights)--- Or simple systems like Jita? I at this point still have to post for (myself and those)-- beyond the UBER stoopid/relentless that fill these forums like a plauqe and wonder why I have an 8 Megebite cable connection (that yes dominates most of the time) but, when I realize its not my connection its CCP's inferior capability, to the point, CCP the Lag is and has been unacceptable! How many posts until CCP wakes up? And how many post until CCP wants to be the new MMO of power? I feel sorry for you with a connection that slow... 8 mbit is so 2005... Originally by: jarack I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands
Nicole KholdStare Gallente No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.02.09 08:36:00 - [55] CCP is doing fine, jesus. When I started playing Jita would lag with 200 in local. Now it's well over a 1000. Seriously, if you can't appreciate the awesomeness that is Tranquility, maybe you should make your own MMO that can hold over 50000 simutaneous players. Then you can come here and post that again. Quote: How many posts until CCP wakes up? How many posts until you stop acting like a little child who wants the candy RIGHT NOW, and shows no appreciation whatsoever for the hard work the parents put in, so they can afford candy for their kid?
Sade Onyx	Posted - 2009.02.09 09:41:00 - [56] Having 8meg makes no difference anyway, the bandwidth your connection to Eve takes is tiny, you could play it on a 0.5 meg and not notice any difference compared to an 8meg, or even 20meg (which I have) Im leeching, streaming music and sometimes video at the same time as playing eve. I even went to jita last night just because I heard there were 1200 people there, I wanted to see what the lag was like... it was amazing! - It did make me feel for the first time that CCP's lag problems will soon be a thing of the past. It just seems there is a problem with Faction Warfare, which they have acknowledged.
Wilson Klime Caldari Naval Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.09 09:48:00 - [57] Edited by: Wilson Klime on 09/02/2009 09:51:25 Edited by: Wilson Klime on 09/02/2009 09:50:16 Originally by: Armoured C we only haz 8 mb here in the uk , we suck and are the worst in the world =( i mean come on were barly getting fibre optics just rolling out Correction. BT has 8 Mb connection. Sky have 16 Mb connection. (ASDL) Fastest in the UK is Virgin media, who offer 20 Mb atm with 50 Mb connection rolling out during the year. (Cable)
StickyFingerz Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:16:00 - [58] Edited by: StickyFingerz on 09/02/2009 11:17:32 BRACKETS. learn to turn them off. framerate/win Originally by: Wilson Klime Edited by: Wilson Klime on 09/02/2009 09:51:25 Edited by: Wilson Klime on 09/02/2009 09:50:16 Originally by: Armoured C we only haz 8 mb here in the uk , we suck and are the worst in the world =( i mean come on were barly getting fibre optics just rolling out Correction. BT has 8 Mb connection. Sky have 16 Mb connection. (ASDL) Fastest in the UK is Virgin media, who offer 20 Mb atm with 50 Mb connection rolling out during the year. (Cable) Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. I use Be-there, 24 meg broadband adsl2, its not bad ether. used to be the fastest in the uk not sure now.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:22:00 - [59] Bandwidth ≠ quality. I'm amazed that people still haven't learned this. Also, I hate the fact that my house is maybe 150m outside fibre range, so I have to settle for 24/3Mbit instead of 100/10…
Lt Angus Caldari End Game. The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:25:00 - [60] Originally by: Tippia Bandwidth ≠ quality. I'm amazed that people still haven't learned this. Also, I hate the fact that my house is maybe 150m outside fibre range, so I have to settle for 24/3Mbit instead of 100/10à They probably think driving a skoda at 100mph makes it a good car too

Deira Lenia Carebear Evolution	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:31:00 - [61] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:03:22 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:20 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:00 I have to bring to the table a very, very serious question of CCP's dedication/commitment! I ask, how does CCP bring EVE- to the forefront of MMOs when they consistantly fail to maintain the player base with large numbers- (Via Pvp fights)--- Or simple systems like Jita? I at this point still have to post for (myself and those)-- beyond the UBER stoopid/relentless that fill these forums like a plauqe and wonder why I have an 8 Megebite cable connection (that yes dominates most of the time) but, when I realize its not my connection its CCP's inferior capability, to the point, CCP the Lag is and has been unacceptable! How many posts until CCP wakes up? And how many post until CCP wants to be the new MMO of power? I think you forgot some points in your post. But to throw up my specs and payment.. P4 3ghz, 512mb ddr2 ram ATI Radeon 9800PRO 9,95 euro p/m Internet at 300kb/s down and 40kb/s up. Seriously dude, if i can run around jita and PVP there, then you've got some f'ked up problem. It used to take me 30-40 minutes to jump in, warp, dock, load market etc. now less then a minute. It sometimes takes me 2 hours to get to the Auction House on some busyer WoW servers. I cant see where CCP fail or are sleeping here. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Xipheas Evolving Strategies	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:33:00 - [62] Originally by: Tippia Bandwidth ≠ quality. I'm amazed that people still haven't learned this. Also, I hate the fact that my house is maybe 150m outside fibre range, so I have to settle for 24/3Mbit instead of 100/10à Seriously? Sux. If that were me I'd dig the street up myself and offer to lay the fibre optics for them! ;) Originally by: Kendrix Arathan Also, WTH is this guy feeling baby's asses Originally by: Xipheas it was smooth as a baby's ass. What can I say ...
Lt Angus Caldari End Game. The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:35:00 - [63] and i play on a crappy laptop with a slow connection but never lag because im 20miles from the server please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Kulmid Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:44:00 - [64] 10/10 Would read again and would certainly like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Lui Kai SPORADIC MOVEMENT FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2009.02.09 11:53:00 - [65] Originally by: Kulmid 10/10 Would read again and would certainly like to subscribe to your newsletter. I was going to go with 8/10, bu I'm bumping it up to 9 for sheer number of people successfully trolled with this nonsense. ----------------
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.02.09 12:17:00 - [66] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 09/02/2009 12:18:08 you dont even need 8m for games, games use much less of bandwith. I have weaker rigs then most of the players and mostly have no problems where others have serious lag. problem is routing the data to everyone and cpu load for the server. if you have a crapload of players on one spot, you have to deliver the data to all of these players back and forth which may take time and if those 1000 players giving the servers cpu a hard time, it may be delayed even more. your location may shift it to worse or better gameplay.
Gershomea Raphael Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.02.09 12:43:00 - [67] Edited by: Gershomea Raphael on 09/02/2009 12:44:17 Originally by: Armoured C we only haz 8 mb here in the uk Ah, OK, so my 20Mb connection is a figment of my imagination? As is the 100Mb connection that's being installed in the summer? I'm in Belfast, too, so not exactly the hub of the UK either... J-L was a little laggy, 30 secs module lag with a shade under 1200 in local on Friday evening. No real problems though. Core2 3GHz, 4GB RAM, 8800GTS, Vista 64.
cpt Mark	Posted - 2009.02.09 12:48:00 - [68] I don't really understand much about how the servers work and how Jita is supported? Like if there are miltple Super computers taking part or what??!! Anyway, the situation isn't as bad as it used to be. Only downside to that is, the effect is still the same because now even more people go to Jita, whereas before it was only for the lonely wanderer who did not mind being stuck in space where time does not exist...
CrabClaw McGraw	Posted - 2009.02.09 12:51:00 - [69] Edited by: CrabClaw McGraw on 09/02/2009 12:54:27 Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:03:22 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:20 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:01:00 I have to bring to the table a very, very serious question of CCP's dedication/commitment! I ask, how does CCP bring EVE- to the forefront of MMOs when they consistantly fail to maintain the player base with large numbers- (Via Pvp fights)--- Or simple systems like Jita? I at this point still have to post for (myself and those)-- beyond the UBER stoopid/relentless that fill these forums like a plauqe and wonder why I have an 8 Megebite cable connection (that yes dominates most of the time) but, when I realize its not my connection its CCP's inferior capability, to the point, CCP the Lag is and has been unacceptable! How many posts until CCP wakes up? And how many post until CCP wants to be the new MMO of power? Because subscriptions continue to rise and CCP are under no obligation to tell the truth about their servers. Read the EULA and there are several get out clauses. They can claim that it supports fights of hundreds of people per side and make all sorts of claims about stackless/python but all the players know that you need to send a special message to CCP to get the node reinforced for this to get decent performance. I can't wait until the boxed edition hits the shelfs in a few weeks because I will be here helping new players who complain about lag etc by telling them that it has always been this way and it is best to stay in one of the reinforced mission running hubs than try pvping.
Stu Pendisdick Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.02.09 12:56:00 - [70] Originally by: Vurion ................. For those who dont know t1 has been phased out................ Really? In what locale? I just installed 2 T1 circuits last week in Central Florida, USA. If "T1 has been phased out", someone forgot to tell Verizon, Embarq, the subscribers, the Florida PSC, etc...............

Furious Hawk Farlight Council	Posted - 2009.02.09 12:59:00 - [71] Stop arguing with an obvious troll. -------------------------------------------------- Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.09 13:06:00 - [72] 1. Turn off Drones, turret effects and other graphical effects (ctrl+T and ctrl+E). 2. Clear the overview and kill all bracket settings of everything other than specific shiptypes for each tab. 3. Kill all sound in eve. 4. Make sure that you have a fast HD for your cahce folder (and clean it often, re-installing won't help you unless you do). 5. Always stay max-zoomed out when entering a grid. 6. Use a VPN tunnel and/or try a different port to the TQ server (instructions are around here somewhere). 7. Try connecting without using a router or hub (or buy a new better one). 8. Don't do torrents and play eve (since most home user hardware can't handle the high number of simultaneous connections that torrents use, problem grows with a faster connection). If you're still experiencing problems: 1. Make sure you're not in Delve 2. Buy a new computer. Memory size and speed, Harddrive R/W and search speeed, GFX card, CPU seems to be most important to eve (in that order provided that you meet the minimum specs) 3. Get a new ISP I rarely have problems with lag in eve. In really big fleetfights with lot's of people dying and many jump-ins, log ins and caps cynoing in there's usually trouble. But that's to be expected. Breathing 0.0
Crayathan Gallente Alpha Industries	Posted - 2009.02.09 13:14:00 - [73] This guy really can't have played this game long, I remember the days when it used to lag with 5 buddies in a roid field.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.02.09 13:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Yeshua Christ Originally by: Vurion Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Vurion I call your bluff what T2 connection you play on, vai from a work Data base connect? For those who dont know t1 has been phased out. Having a ú400 graphics card helps. LOL, now we have a system challenge. Give me a break quad core, 4 Megs 64 bit Vista, 2 512 cards! Bolded your problem there buddy. With memory being so cheap I'm surprised anyone's still only got 4MB RAM. O_o
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.02.09 14:24:00 - [75] Originally by: Vurion Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:26:48 Edited by: Vurion on 09/02/2009 00:07:46 Originally by: baltec1 I dont lag in jita at all anymore and I can fight in ever bigger fights with little to no lag. The only time I do lag is in the mega blobs. I call your bluff what T2 connection you play on, via from a work Data base connect? For those who dont know t1 has been phased out. I pay nearly 65 monthly for a 8 meg connection no, its not the best but, its SEDCOND BEST, Whats better A+ connection--- that'll cost you 250$ to 300$ a month depending on your local cable provider! Do not play with me! Jees and i thought Britain was slow in the bband stakes hats of to the usa, i pay 30 gbp for a 20 meg connection a month. Also to the op there are many many factors other than your connection and ccp's connection to take into account you cant blame ccp for how the internet operates they only have control over there game.
GateScout	Posted - 2009.02.09 14:49:00 - [76] [WTB] A 'quick' solution to a complex nondeterministic polynomial time problem.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.02.09 14:53:00 - [77] Originally by: GateScout [WTB] A 'quick' solution to a complex nondeterministic polynomial time problem. [WTS] A bat. It might not solve the problem, but will make the mathematician go away. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.09 15:23:00 - [78] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Vurion I call your bluff what T2 connection you play on, vai from a work Data base connect? For those who dont know t1 has been phased out. Having a ú400 graphics card helps. So, when it takes our gang of around 130 ships approximately 2 minutes to jump through a gate into an empty system, it's because of our cheap video cards?
Sleepkevert Amarr Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2009.02.09 15:52:00 - [79] Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


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