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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum
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Posted - 2009.02.15 22:49:00 -
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Does anyone else also get the feeling that the voice at the end still wants to say something? Like the sentence was in the middle of a paragraph?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 23:41:00 -
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I'm a roleplayer, and I approve this intro. -----
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.16 00:52:00 -
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I think they should take a good bit of the old one, cut out the part of the cold war out (where shooting each other now), and chop off the end and then traverse into the new intro where we turn our attention to where you fit in this morbid world. =============
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CCP t0rfifrans
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Posted - 2009.02.16 01:32:00 -
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thanks for all of the positive / not so positive feedback guys. one question: those who feel that the races are being left out: did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.16 01:41:00 -
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oh didnt see that will poke at those then. =============
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Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 01:47:00 -
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When I tested to create a new char a few days ago there where no videos there, I'll delete it and try again tomorrow. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.16 02:01:00 -
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Okay new intro 'movies' arent movies per sey they are just audio clips.
It also doesnt go over the races warfare abilities a small description on what the race does best may help players shape thier character up to fulfill the ships roles and know the threats the other races may posses. However this can be a double edged sword as it would remove the idea players can do anything they want. =============
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Uzume Ame
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Posted - 2009.02.16 02:24:00 -
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Must be the only one but the new Intro gives you much more clue about what you can become in the eve universe than the old rp'ing one, even if vague, you can't make an intro of 5 min.
Seriouslly watch it a seecond time with more open mind that just whining and saying the old meme "Eve is dying/eve is going the WoW way". IMO is decent for a thing you're going to see once, only needs to be HD. Teh failure of a signature. |
Huang Tang
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Posted - 2009.02.16 02:44:00 -
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I really dislike the new "intro". An intro is supposed to give you some hints on the backstory. Where else is a noob supposed to find out where the hell they are and why are there 4 races and etc....
I think it would have been great to renew the old intro (backstory, INTRODUCTION) and combine it with the new one (enphasis in your ability to be what you want to be) ... please
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Decorum Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.02.16 03:06:00 -
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Edited by: Neth''Rae on 16/02/2009 03:09:47 Edited by: Neth''Rae on 16/02/2009 03:08:52 Edited by: Neth''Rae on 16/02/2009 03:07:36
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
First thing that annoyed me was that I tried to read the text while hearing the voice talking thinking it was the same text.. xD I still miss the old storyline intro with the concept art though, the class videos were lacking depth and atm they only show each empires logotype.. I'd really love it if you could choose to go into depth and get more info, because the screen looks pretty empty with the little text their is, would be cool of there were more pages with walls of text and images.. I'm also not a big fan of the layout, it seems to lack some interface elements to sew it all together, like frames, art, etc.
Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm a roleplayer, and I approve this intro.
I'm not and I disapprove! xD edit: no, wait! I approve of the intro video because it's very awesome, but I'd love the old intro video to be shown somewhere aswell.. (a long time ago I was actually a *gasp* roleplayer, though ambulation will probably get me roleplaying again :))
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Aeo IV
Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Uzume Ame Must be the only one but the new Intro gives you much more clue about what you can become in the eve universe than the old rp'ing one, even if vague, you can't make an intro of 5 min.
Seriouslly watch it a seecond time with more open mind that just whining and saying the old meme "Eve is dying/eve is going the WoW way". IMO is decent for a thing you're going to see once, only needs to be HD.
I liked that they showed what you could become, but still, EVE has always felt thread bare in terms of RP, and RPlayers are always getting the shaft, i think they could improve it.
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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans thanks for all of the positive / not so positive feedback guys. one question: those who feel that the races are being left out: did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
The intro is nice for those who know EVE. With the character creation skills being equalized for all races it seems CCP wants people to move away from min-maxers and make people choose their race based on the history of the race. I think this is a great move but now CCP need to give more information on the history of the races. I checked the character creation audio narration and it is a step in the right direction. It also explains why CCP decided to leave out the racial background from the intro. However:
- You mentioned "videos in character creation", where are they? I think it would be awesome if most of the screen space on the left or under the text would be dedicated to a video to complement the text. - Why no music? Without music the narration seems empty. - The narration isn't fluid enough (both intro and character creation), it is almost as if each sentence is read separately. There should be a flow when story telling, with ups and downs. - More details could be added. For instance there is no mention of the Caldari war with the Gallente. - Expand the racial backgrounds into mini-chapters. It would be really cool if you could listen to the beginning info of a race with the narration and a little video, then click on next, then listen some more with a different little video, click next, ect... The goal is to give a brief yet informative background before making the choice of race. Fake edit: The videos don't have to be video's, they can be slide shows of images.. eg 1 per sentence or so. - What if a player wants to recheck the racial audio/video if all three slots of full? Will there be an out-of-game place where we can view the racial backgrounds. Perhaps it could also have a link to eve-wiki for more information.
For a beginning I'd say this is overall a good improvement. The voice actress sounds quite nice ... will she be doing Aura?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Seramyr l'Ethia
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.16 04:08:00 -
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1) Needs music. 2) Needs backstory. 2) The narration is pretty erratic. It sounds like each sentence was read individually and then spliced together. 3) The writing is so, so, bad. Bloody hell. I'm going to go ahead an assume this wasn't Abraxas' work?
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans thanks for all of the positive / not so positive feedback guys. one question: those who feel that the races are being left out: did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
Having watched the new intro and the 4 racial intros I still feel like your leaving out a bunch of backstory. New intro has no information on Earth or the Eve Gate disaster, really no background on the races other than a short description. The whole experience needs more detail on the setting of the universe and less pandering to the meglomaniac in all of us.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.16 07:38:00 -
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I think the intro works very well to introduce the new player to the core concepts of success at eve right as they are about to create thier first character. For a history of eve or rp material they can always go to the website and read the chronicals and watch the videos. One caveat about this new intro. It just seems to end on the wrong sentance. Kinda like the narrarator should have one last phrase to send you into eve. Maybe a slow 'Your.Destiny...Awaits' just as the eye/wormhole fades away.
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 16/02/2009 08:00:44
Originally by: Zeba I think the intro works very well to introduce the new player to the core concepts of success at eve right as they are about to create thier first character. For a history of eve or rp material they can always go to the website and read the chronicals and watch the videos. One caveat about this new intro. It just seems to end on the wrong sentance. Kinda like the narrarator should have one last phrase to send you into eve. Maybe a slow 'Your.Destiny...Awaits' just as the eye/wormhole fades away.
I believe the introduction to the core elements of success in eve is best left to ingame tutorials where you can actually interact with and learn those things. There is very little of the information in the old intro directly available on the website in regards to pre-gate collapse, and while many players do not roleplay or care about this game's story it is a very important part of the game and should be introduced to the new players. A lot of work has gone into the story by the community and the writers at CCP and the intro should spark the interest to explore that for those who are interested, this new one however gives you no idea that the game even has a backstory as rich and full as it is.
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london
Gallente KDS Navy
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:11:00 -
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Is the final video going to be HD? Because this one is horribly compressed. That would be my only complaint, otherwise, great job. :)
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Aargh
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:19:00 -
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Overall, well below par.
No real narrative, just random action footage.
Some real buttock clenchingly bad purple prose as well.
It's not "mid-nineties interactive movie" bad, but pretty much any Mechwarrior game (for example) has a better intro.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.02.16 08:21:00 -
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"This is what eve looks like to a noob, yourself. You are immortal, cannot die forever, but your not the only one like yourself and some of them will ***** slap you the minute you think otherwise, so go have fun"
Thats my sum up of the new intro.
If it was a hoover you'd be replacing the bags on it every 2 minutes on account of the mssive amount of SUCKAGE coming from it. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans thanks for all of the positive / not so positive feedback guys. one question: those who feel that the races are being left out: did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
Hmmm, technical there are videos, but normally you will only notice the voice as the only visual aspect is a fading faction-logo. Here a short info about the races are given, but nearly nothing about the history or similar. I personally could imagine to show both, the new trailer and the old backstory-intro at the first login. It would also be great to add a button to the login-screen or to the char-selection to rewatch the intro(s). |
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 16/02/2009 09:41:02 The new intro is terrible one of the worst I have seen in a long time. The old intro was good enough to watch over and over again. This one is so bad I don't want to watch it again. The following reasons are the main ones for me.
- Lost the Eve atmosphere,
- Far two generic both in look and content, not unique like the old intro
- Almost completely lost the storyline. All that back-story removed
- Very low quality, blocky and looks like a pre 2000 FMV
- Please if you have to keep this intro can you add a further button that shows the old intro or and/or let us download the old intro.
____ Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation (www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Koll Varis
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Koll Varis on 16/02/2009 10:12:56 It's not an intro it's an advert. and a crap one. Come on CCP I amire the new publicity drive but by the time a player is actually logging in it's time to stop with the ads and let the gameplay speak for itself.
The current Intro is far superior to the upcoming intro. You may have added backstory vids for each race but even for those the original intro is better as a primer. It's the story of the stagnation of mankind upon reaching the limits of its growth and the rebirth of civilization through the Eve Gate and the subsequent fall of civilization when "nature conspired with fate" and the gate collapsed, and then the rise of the new empires.
this vs this
How can anyone at CCP even compare them, the new one is not an intro, it's a very bad ad. Just spruce up the original intro, maybe add in a bit about the other races that rose following the eve gates collapse; Jovians, Sleepers, etc. But don't replace it with this stupid new one.
You've really got an epic backstory with Eve, don't throw it out in favour of this new rubbish ad which completely lacks the atmosphere of the game and fails to tell new players anything they won't find out within the first few hours of gameplay anyway. You're a pilot, you can't ever really die, you can get rich and you can fight people, there's your intro. pffft why watch that when I can just hit the undock button and find out the same things.
Btw if you really are going ahead with the crap intro you've put together then at least add the original in your videos section so we can point newbies in the direction of a decent Eve intro and just advise them to /esc skip the new one.
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Selenica Draper
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Selenica D****r on 16/02/2009 10:25:47
Yea... the new intro makes no sense at all. Atleast the original one laid out the backstory of Eve.
I find the entire character creation on Sisi to be confusing and it has a lazy, rushed look to it's design. You don't want to dumb down your game CCP.. Just look at SOE/Star Wars Galaxies for an example of why NOT to do that.
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:27:00 -
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in complete contrast I think its awesome!
The trouble is for players casually 'trying' a new game they don't realize how different Eve is to a typical MMO, the old intro was a good explanation of how this universe was discovered, but never really tells you what your purpose is.
intros from level based MMO's will immediately tell you the 'story' and your part in it, often hinting at some end game boss's. So a new player to eve will watch the current video and feel daunted by the scale and open endedness and left with no real purpose, no drive, no motivation.
At least the new video inspires the viewer to the possibilities, stirs the imagination (by telling the viewer that they are godlike)
If I were CCP I would take the criticism of regular, experienced players with a pinch of salt and would be trying to view it from the perspective of a new player who is completely unaware of what he is about to get himself into. Eve often criticized for its unfriendliness and coldness to new players, now it starts by tell them how awesome they are!.. its defiantly a better feel good factor.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans thanks for all of the positive / not so positive feedback guys. one question: those who feel that the races are being left out: did you see the race introduction videos in character creation? those supplement this video in terms of backstory...
Didn't see any videos in build 79298. There's some spoken text over each race, for which I've logged some bugs, because they don't match up (e.g. Amarr God-Emperor is in text, and Empress in spoken voiceover) but it doesn't even begin to cover their background in my view, or why you'd choose one over the other.
There's all that space beneath the little bit of text where you could expand on it - cover the methodologies, the choices, the approaches of the race. It needn't be so detailed as to put people off, but you could drop hints about the history (e.g. just below it, 'A Brief History Of' that you can expand). For example, the Caldari were first to receive pod technology from the Jove; the Gallente and Caldari were embroiled in a bitter war. The Minmatar and Amarr hate each other, and so on. Give just enough hints about the history so that people know what they're getting into; that those that wish to make a choice can make an informed one.
After all, beyond looks and the background story, today the starting race makes no odds at all, so it might as well capitalise on the excellent background story.
Originally by: Zeba For a history of eve or rp material they can always go to the website and read the chronicals and watch the videos.
How are they going to know to look, or that there even is a history? I've met EVE players who said 'there are dev blogs?' - they look at the game, not the web-site. That and the forums do a superb job of putting people off going near the so-called community. Spend time in rookie chat and helping players (in fact I think you might, so I'm surprised at this viewpoint) - a lot of people do not know about all this rich backstory because it's hidden away on web-sites instead of in the game, and dismiss it as wordy fan fiction because of the way it's presented.
As it stands, the game appears to me to be leaning more and more towards 'make your own badly-spelt lulz story in EVE, and oh yeah, there's some background fluff written by some bored fans out there somewhere'. I think that's both unfair to the excellent writers and to the players missing out on that.
I'm not suggesting everything must be conveyed in the intro - far from it - but the repeated posts about 'why are we in pods' or 'what's this egg thing?', and 'why can't I walk to the bridge of my ship' and 'why are the Gallente and Caldari enemies?' to me implies that so far people aren't finding out about New Eden's story. Other MMOs present this info via quests and missions - EVE lacks such storytelling systems. Perhaps it's something that can be incorporated within epic mission arcs, who knows. Anyway, wandering a bit off topic. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 16/02/2009 11:02:02
Originally by: Sade Onyx
If I were CCP I would take the criticism of regular, experienced players with a pinch of salt and would be trying to view it from the perspective of a new player who is completely unaware of what he is about to get himself into. Eve often criticized for its unfriendliness and coldness to new players, now it starts by tell them how awesome they are!.. its defiantly a better feel good factor.
I am telling my perspective of this new intro based off my impressions from when I was new and watched the old trailer. Comparing the two is impossible because one is an actual you know introduction to the story and setting of the game versus a trailer saying "Oh look your immortal and godlike go blow **** up." The new intro does not give you any insight into why you should even care about the character you make or the game overall. The old intro can be improved upon to give more insight into the different harsh realities of EVE but there is absolutely no reason to cut out the backstory like this. Most players know next to nothing about the awesome setting that so many people have worked hard to flesh out over the years since launch so why make it that much worse?
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jek Tar''qul on 16/02/2009 11:15:21
Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm a roleplayer, and I approve this intro.
What did you decide that you liked it based on a dice roll or did your local GM tell you that you were going to like it. It lacks substance that makes people more interested in EvE, one of the reasons that I moved away from games like WoW was the simple fact that they lack real substance.
This intro doesn't bring into light the true scope of EvE. It shames past trailers and makes EvE just seem like it panders to your ego without letting you know anything about who you are going to become within the game.
So just a word to the wise Roleplayer, just because you hit your "Epic" status on paper doesn't mean it has to ruin the game.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Horatius Caul on 16/02/2009 11:28:52 Edited by: Horatius Caul on 16/02/2009 11:26:58
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul Edited by: Jek Tar''qul on 16/02/2009 11:15:21
Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm a roleplayer, and I approve this intro.
What did you decide that you liked it based on a dice roll or did your local GM tell you that you were going to like it. It lacks substance that makes people more interested in EvE, one of the reasons that I moved away from games like WoW was the simple fact that they lack real substance.
Har har har. No, I actually read this thread first, then went to watch the intro, and I enjoyed it.
EDIT: At the very end, with the eye fading back into the wormhole, am I the only one hearing the Doctor Who theme?
EDIT 2: I can certainly agree that the old one has its charm, and if it was to be remade in the style of the new one I would probably enjoy it more. I guess I just feel the old one is a bit dated, and I feel I can see where CCP is coming from with the style in the new intro. -----
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Horatius Caul Har har har. No, I actually read this thread first, then went to watch the intro, and I enjoyed it.
If you're still reading, I'm curious - without deep explanations, what made you choose Amarr and ending up in PIE as a roleplayer?
As it stands, I don't see how a new player can make the distinction between the races to end up where you did, without having to make a new character once they've learned the ropes for a few months. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Originally by: Horatius Caul Har har har. No, I actually read this thread first, then went to watch the intro, and I enjoyed it.
If you're still reading, I'm curious - without deep explanations, what made you choose Amarr and ending up in PIE as a roleplayer?
As it stands, I don't see how a new player can make the distinction between the races to end up where you did, without having to make a new character once they've learned the ropes for a few months.
I had been interested in EVE Online for some time before I decided to start playing it. I had read the background available on the website, and thus I never felt that the old intro gave me any greater insight to the setting. I knew how the races related to each other, their history and most of their factionality. What I as a roleplayer have had a problem relating to is the nature of capsuleers in the setting - the real feel of which I think the new intro captures better. -----
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