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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.13 21:35:00 -
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I thought I would chime in with feedback on the new introduction to the game. Though the visuals are nice, I do have a concern. The new video, unlike the last one, offers the viewer (frequently a new player) very little information about the world they're about to be dropped in to. I understand that to hold attention an introduction must be brief and concise. However, after watching it I was left with no real insight into the world of Eve.
"You are awesome and immortal" is the only message I got from the minute-or-so long video. It may have been quite alright to cut out specific information about the races and empires that arose after the collapse of the Eve gate, as this can be provided during character creation. Specifics aren't necessary, and making the player feel important in the setting is, but I feel that new players should walk into character creation with a very basic knowledge of the early backstory.
To summarize, if I was a new player who hadn't seen a good handful of the trailers produced for the game, I feel I might be scratching my head after viewing the introduction. It needs to provide more info than being a simple ego-stroke.
It's entirely possible that I've missed the mark because this video is supposed to be complimentary to something else, but as it stands in the current Singularity build that's what I feel.
That all said though I always enjoy what comes out of CCP.
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Kinuko
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Posted - 2009.02.13 21:43:00 -
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Yeah new intro movie is extremely bad, hopefully they will return back to original one.
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Xelios
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.13 22:03:00 -
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I didn't think it was so bad, except for the end. I think the main goal of an intro movie is to make you say "Wow this is awesome", and the old one (bless its heart) didn't accomplish that at all in my opinion. It was informative yes, but the lack of in game footage or action of any kind didn't really give me any feeling at all.
But it looks terrible fullscreened with that compression. Either up the quality considerably or just play it at 1:1 in letterbox format.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.13 22:20:00 -
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the old one should be re-introduces as a halo-heel. Which you gain apon completion of the tutorial.
Dont worry CCP, you can have that for free.
Oh and more roloreels can be introduced after that into the next expansion as you'll have the groundwork laid. Then one more expansion later you might be on the road to havigna capture video button in eve with automacticlly saves a halo-reel to your harddrive and can then be uploaded to eve-files or such. |
Taasha
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.13 22:54:00 -
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Seriously does nobody else see that CCP is trying to dumb down the game to bring in the 12-18yr WoW market?
It's getting ****ing stupid obvious. |
Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 14/02/2009 11:08:12 Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 14/02/2009 11:07:31
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda I feel that new players should walk into character creation with a very basic knowledge of the early backstory.
An extremely large number of current players seem to know nothing about the backstory, early or otherwise. Sad to say, CCP seem bent on making sure that in-game we never see any background story at all, and hope that the few that are sufficiently motivated go and buy the book and read the short stories & chronicles.
I concur with your assessment. What do we play games for if not to immerse ourselves in a different world? I'm getting very tired of the repeated MMO 'you are the chosen one, the immortal, and oh by the way, try and ignore the several hundred thousand other chosen ones' meme that game designers seem increasingly fixated on. Not really what I was expecting to see out of the new player experience of the one MMO that dared to break the mould. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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whoyoulookingat
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Taasha Seriously does nobody else see that CCP is trying to dumb down the game to bring in the 12-18yr WoW market?
It's getting ****ing stupid obvious.
^^^This.. It's already showing on forums with threads derailed, stupid one word replies and general "kiddish" behaviour!! CCP need to put their foots down and start banning users who continually put nothing more than childish drivel is posts!! Same needs to be done on sisi with those that break the rules - we know the rules, where they are posted to, yet still people run amock!! PERMA ban is the only way
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Atsuko Yamamoto
Caldari The Nietzian Way
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Posted - 2009.02.14 11:55:00 -
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The original intro did have the background feel as to how the world of EVE came to be. The history leading into the future (the narrator telling that you are to shape it) was a nice setup.
This seems to be more "go out and smash/make money/take it all" intro. It's good to show the aspects of different play styles though, that I did like. But the story and background is totally gone and doesn't give me a feeling that "This is the EVE universe". Yes it's internet spaceships, but we like the whole story too.
And yes have to agree, that is a massive amount of ego stroking, honestly, I blushed a little
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.14 12:10:00 -
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Why cant we have both? I loved the old one and it was a special feeling it gave to me when i first entered EvE. Personally i think the older vid is more like EvE truly is in its deep soul.
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar
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Posted - 2009.02.14 12:54:00 -
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It¦s a great trailer, but as intro? Sorry - no.
I just watched the old intro and this new vid: The old one had much more atmosphere AND information. While it was a bit long and in need of a small update, I would really prefer it over the new one. |
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Arda Xi
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Posted - 2009.02.14 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: whoyoulookingat
Originally by: Taasha Seriously does nobody else see that CCP is trying to dumb down the game to bring in the 12-18yr WoW market?
It's getting ****ing stupid obvious.
^^^This.. It's already showing on forums with threads derailed, stupid one word replies and general "kiddish" behaviour!! CCP need to put their foots down and start banning users who continually put nothing more than childish drivel is posts!! Same needs to be done on sisi with those that break the rules - we know the rules, where they are posted to, yet still people run amock!! PERMA ban is the only way
Get this man a banhammer.
Now seriously, this is very true. This once mature community is going down, being replaced by kids who will probably not even stay longer than a couple of months. Unfortunately, for CCP, they mean income.
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Khaelis
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:18:00 -
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While the video is good and the old intro is very old now.. I don't feel that this new video is good enough to replace it. What other people have said is quite close to my opinion, in needs more backstory at least.
I wouldn't go so far as to say its catering to the WoW masses but it does seem very "dumbed down". Some dev feedback on what we have said so far would be nice.
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:28:00 -
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Big square pixel fail. lol
I don't mind it tbh, it's a good idea. But what I don't like is they left out the history of Earth -> which is one of the main foundation of EVE that make it seem all more real. Without that it's just some sci-fi game to blend in with the rest of the genre.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.15 03:44:00 -
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I preferred the old one too tbh.
The new one is pretty, even if the re-sampling is a bit blocky and pixelated. It's basically just an ego stroke that does nothing at all to describe Eve's setting though.
I much preferred the old one with the story telling and a rundown of the races, if that had been revamped a little and re-worded it would have been much better.
Still, it's pretty if not a little short.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.15 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 15/02/2009 03:54:59
Originally by: MJ Maverick Edited by: MJ Maverick on 14/02/2009 17:29:40
Big square pixel fail. lol
I don't mind it tbh, it's a good idea. But what I don't like is they left out the history of Earth -> EVE which is one of the main foundations of EVE that make it seem all more real. Without that it's just some sci-fi game to blend in with the rest of the genre.
well yeah he races and back story are no longer important.
we allready covered this, keep up:P
it's now more about the freedom and stuff. **** the races, **** the eve gate. who cares, new players don't need to know that stuff. By doing this new players think of eve more as a playground, which is important. I mean it's honestly a good idea to make new players understand they are immortal. This would not work as a trailer. A trailer would not make sense, "you are about to become" makes it sound like an intro.
but if CCP don't use thier new scene 2 tech to play the old introl for the player at the end of the tutorial they will have ruined the game, forever.
p.s.(I'm 100% against CCP on this one, the intro is cool, but what the **** is wrong with you guys seriously, wtf.) |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Astroglide X
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:01:00 -
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Its boring.
I could come up with a nice few lines that say the same thing but why not just flat out say 'Boring'
Hire a good script writer. I am being serious.
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:06:00 -
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I have to say this new intro really disappoints me. I love the backstory of EVE and seeing the intro stripped of all that got me interested in the backstory in the first place really sucks. Everything else in this expansion I'm really looking forward to except for this change. Please CCP reconsider cutting out the introduction to the story of EVE, cause it's a really great universe.
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Arda Xi
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:14:00 -
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Well, the way it is now, is: you're immortal, everyone else is to, do whatever the heck you want, that's it. This kind of ruins the backstory, so I sincerely hope the old story is somehow displayed somewhere in the game, because otherwise, this game will feel a lot more generic.
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:23:00 -
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this intro sucks vs. past openings from CCP, disappointing! And for the love of that is pod goo holy say we still have some kind of link to the back story. and not so nice job on just piecing together scenes from previous Eve videos..
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Dont worry CCP, you can have that for free.
good lord, what is with you. Like you're god's gift to CCP or something....get over yourself.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.15 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: SexxxSlave
Originally by: MotherMoon
Dont worry CCP, you can have that for free.
good lord, what is with you. Like you're god's gift to CCP or something....get over yourself.
and you must be the eve-o forum critic.
get over yourself too, I was kidding about the free thing, it was suppose to be in insult at ccp that aplayer can notice an issue thier dev team can not.
oh god I'm explaining a random comment I made on a forum to an alt.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.15 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Arda Xi Well, the way it is now, is: you're immortal, everyone else is to, do whatever the heck you want, that's it. This kind of ruins the backstory, so I sincerely hope the old story is somehow displayed somewhere in the game, because otherwise, this game will feel a lot more generic.
I went and watched it a second time just to be sure. Coupled with the revamped NPE in character creation, a player new to EVE has no idea what the distinction is between choosing Amarr or Caldari or Gallente or Minmatar, or that these cultures, rich with history, might prompt players to pick a given path (heaven forfend that an MMO player might wish to actually play a role instead of transposing a selfish opportunistic teenager into space). I was hoping for at least a few seconds spent on each race & their culture, the history of how New Eden arose, but there's not a sausage. I did have a good laugh at the continued use of shots of homogenous fleets though. At least someone tried to make things non-generic somewhere in the art department - pity they chose the one place where it doesn't happen.
For me the problem goes further than that, beyond simply making the game feel generic, and failing to introduce any backstory. The entire intro also fails to make clear that life in EVE has consequences, the exact thing the game is built on - it instead spends 3-4 minutes telling you how great you are and how you can go out and do anything. In all seriousness, I was expecting 'Unreal Tournament in space' to run as a tag-line somewhere. You died? Oh dear, well don't worry, you're an immortal demi-god, just respawn, it'll be ok.
I look forward to (more?) teenage players with god complexes smacking in local because their existing ego & detachment via the Internet has been further inflated .
As an aside, telling people they're great and can do anything actually makes the realisation that they can't because established major players have already been there and done that even worse. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Kayscha
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Posted - 2009.02.15 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
"You are awesome and immortal" is the only message I got from the minute-or-so long video.
Exactly, and I really have a beef with that message. Not only is absurd to feel awesome and immortal as one of half a million capsuleers (players and alts), it lessens the weight of the rich background and history EVE provides. I would greatly prefer a message that says "you are a upcoming and promising part of a deep, complex world of opportunites." or something along these lines.
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Perry
Amarr The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.15 11:02:00 -
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Old Intro. Bring it back.
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Atsuko Yamamoto
Caldari The Nietzian Way
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Posted - 2009.02.15 19:52:00 -
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Kyoko, how long would it take you to write up a revamp of the older intro?
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Stitcher
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:15:00 -
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So much for "constructive" criticism....
the intro sequence really hasn't ever been a strong part of EVE. The original is too long-winded and slow, this new one's too vague and doesn't really help set the scene.
Strikes me that CCP could really stand to learn a lesson from Tabula Rasa. That was a good intro sequence. Freelancer had a good intro movie too.
I hope that the movie we've seen thus far isn't the whole thing. As it stands it doesn't do enough to tell the story of EVE, and it's not punchy enough either. It's a step in the right direction in some ways, and a step backwards in others.
still, let's wait and see before leaping to conclusions. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:42:00 -
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Just rewatched both of them on a 105" screen :) and I must say I really prefer the old one. I think it gives you a better sense of the size of the eve universe.
I must also say that the heavy compression artifacts (some of the worst pixilation I have seen in a long time) really detracted from the new one. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Dakisha
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 20:59:00 -
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New intro is fail for all the reasons given so far.
I also agree with the whole feeling that eve is being dumbed down.
All you'll end up with is something still too complex for most, yet not complex enough for those of us who do like it for the complexity.
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Erdiere
Minmatar Erasers inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I much preferred the old one with the story telling and a rundown of the races, if that had been revamped a little and re-worded it would have been much better.
I'll have to agree, updated version of the old intro movie would be awesome.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.02.15 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Strikes me that CCP could really stand to learn a lesson from Tabula Rasa. That was a good intro sequence. Freelancer had a good intro movie too.
Bang on.
The Freelancer intro in particular has really stood the test of time - tells you everything about the game, has the feel of a big budget epic, and a perfect voiceover
The new intro is really low-res too, I saw lots of blockiness
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