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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:40:00 -
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I just watched it. I'm sad that they just reused the trailers to do it.
Idve preferred it if they just redid the intro with new stuff, but using the new effects and such.
Then again im not happy with the new effects ive seen sofar.
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CCP t0rfifrans
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Avalira
- You mentioned "videos in character creation", where are they? I think it would be awesome if most of the screen space on the left or under the text would be dedicated to a video to complement the text. - Why no music? Without music the narration seems empty.
My bad, the files in the build are old placeholders that only contain the narrator sound track raw. They are supposed to be proper videos with pretty pictures and music. Best wait for the next build.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:46:00 -
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The new intro leaves the backstory out and thats already enough, that I am against it.Also the quality of the compression is poor.
About new videos during character creation, there are not any. Just a short audio file with a very short description of the race, that gives new players almost no ideas about the race itself.
Also the background choices regarding starting attributes are gone. You get no idea, why to choose an Immigrant or a Miner-Background for example.
The Amarr description also has an error: "The Amarr Empire is the largest and oldest of the four empires. Ruled by a mighty God-Emperor.."
I should read God-Empress.
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Horatius Caul
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Originally by: Horatius Caul Har har har. No, I actually read this thread first, then went to watch the intro, and I enjoyed it.
If you're still reading, I'm curious - without deep explanations, what made you choose Amarr and ending up in PIE as a roleplayer?
As it stands, I don't see how a new player can make the distinction between the races to end up where you did, without having to make a new character once they've learned the ropes for a few months.
I had been interested in EVE Online for some time before I decided to start playing it. I had read the background available on the website, and thus I never felt that the old intro gave me any greater insight to the setting. I knew how the races related to each other, their history and most of their factionality. What I as a roleplayer have had a problem relating to is the nature of capsuleers in the setting - the real feel of which I think the new intro captures better.
So if I got this right...You go around the game crusading as a religious zealot, hating on minnies, blowing people up for their lack of religious conviction....You must really be a winner in Non-Digital presentation because I've got to say your quite a keeper here!
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Horatius Caul on 16/02/2009 11:48:07
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Originally by: Avalira
- You mentioned "videos in character creation", where are they? I think it would be awesome if most of the screen space on the left or under the text would be dedicated to a video to complement the text. - Why no music? Without music the narration seems empty.
My bad, the files in the build are old placeholders that only contain the narrator sound track raw. They are supposed to be proper videos with pretty pictures and music. Best wait for the next build.
This sounds mighty interesting.
Also, I must ask. Will the new boxed version ship with any sort of print material? I know that the client on the disc will be the Quantum Rise one, and that the new players will have to twiddle their thumbs for a while waiting for the patch to drip through their downlinks, so that time might be spent thumbing through a small manual explaining some token background.
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul
So if I got this right...You go around the game crusading as a religious zealot, hating on minnies, blowing people up for their lack of religious conviction....You must really be a winner in Non-Digital presentation because I've got to say your quite a keeper here!
I'm sorry what? -----
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 16/02/2009 11:52:24
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Originally by: Avalira
- You mentioned "videos in character creation", where are they? I think it would be awesome if most of the screen space on the left or under the text would be dedicated to a video to complement the text. - Why no music? Without music the narration seems empty.
My bad, the files in the build are old placeholders that only contain the narrator sound track raw. They are supposed to be proper videos with pretty pictures and music. Best wait for the next build.
Are you saying that the audio we have is finalized and that the video is just lagging behind? If you are then I really feel for the new players coming in. There just is not enough racial information available to make the choice between them matter with just a little blurb on a rich history that the races have. I weep for all the newbies who won't get to enjoy the backstory because the way it's being presented makes it appear that there is very little backstory at all.
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Jalif
Black Sinisters Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:51:00 -
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I posted this on another thread, after it I realized it would fit better here:
With the old movie I knew directly what were the diffrences between the races and they gave you a very good impression of the race (and its RP side of it). At that moment you "felt" already which race you had to choose.
Now with the new system you going after the logic. Democratic! aahh Gallente, Ruthless Militairy? Caldari! - Religous? who the hell chooses that? Minmatar? Slaves? nobody is going to choose that. (this is my opinion tbh)
Thx to that "old" move I felt I had to choose for minmatar. If I would enter the game in 2 months I wouldn't have chosen it & I wouldn't have as much fun because I love the fly minmatar.
Its the feel factor that is left out. I would like to see the introduction of the races back into the game.
However I like the new one too. It gives you the real side of eve. You are basicly immortal & you are a demi-god. I would say, mix the 2 stuff. Make a longer epic-video, with some art instead of ingame shots.
PS: I hope I gave my message across since it is not easy to explain what I meaned.
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm sorry what?
your a 'Roleplayer' aren't you? So in keeping true with the Amarr back story you should be a pious zealot, bent on the domination of all the races to create one god(ess)-state.
or did all that slip your deep readings into the Chronicles and back story archives?
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Horatius Caul on 16/02/2009 11:58:40
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul
Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm sorry what?
your a 'Roleplayer' aren't you? So in keeping true with the Amarr back story you should be a pious zealot, bent on the domination of all the races to create one god(ess)-state.
or did all that slip your deep readings into the Chronicles and back story archives?
I think that goes without saying. I was more the
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul You must really be a winner in Non-Digital presentation because I've got to say your quite a keeper here!
I was wondering about.
EDIT: The same goes for
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul So just a word to the wise Roleplayer, just because you hit your "Epic" status on paper doesn't mean it has to ruin the game.
I just have no idea what you're saying. -----
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Horatius Caul Edited by: Horatius Caul on 16/02/2009 11:58:40
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul
Originally by: Horatius Caul I'm sorry what?
your a 'Roleplayer' aren't you? So in keeping true with the Amarr back story you should be a pious zealot, bent on the domination of all the races to create one god(ess)-state.
or did all that slip your deep readings into the Chronicles and back story archives?
I think that goes without saying. I was more the
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul You must really be a winner in Non-Digital presentation because I've got to say your quite a keeper here!
I was wondering about.
EDIT: The same goes for
Originally by: Jek Tar'qul So just a word to the wise Roleplayer, just because you hit your "Epic" status on paper doesn't mean it has to ruin the game.
I just have no idea what you're saying.
for someone to go and be able to portray a character such as an Amarr, you must have been that kid who kicked puppies and got his lunch money stolen all the time. its just my theory, but take it for what you will.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jek Tar'qul
for someone to go and be able to portray a character such as an Amarr, you must have been that kid who kicked puppies and got his lunch money stolen all the time. its just my theory, but take it for what you will.
The fact that I'm playing a role would seem to indicate that I'm not actually like that. If I was like an Amarrian, it wouldn't be roleplaying, would it? -----
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Jek Tar'qul
Gallente IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Horatius Caul The fact that I'm playing a role would seem to indicate that I'm not actually like that. If I was like an Amarrian, it wouldn't be roleplaying, would it?
From my experience with the local nerd life, its seems that most people base their characters off of aspects of their own personality that would be taboo to the current expectations of society. So to think that you are playing a racist, pious, megalomaniac of a character wouldn't be too far off of your hidden nature.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jek Tar'qul
Originally by: Horatius Caul The fact that I'm playing a role would seem to indicate that I'm not actually like that. If I was like an Amarrian, it wouldn't be roleplaying, would it?
From my experience with the local nerd life, its seems that most people base their characters off of aspects of their own personality that would be taboo to the current expectations of society. So to think that you are playing a racist, pious, megalomaniac of a character wouldn't be too far off of your hidden nature.
I'm also roleplaying an eccentric gallentean trader and a religious achura inventor. Make whatever conclusions you wish, I'd like to think I'm actually a decent guy in real life. -----
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:34:00 -
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90% of the people in EVE are roleplaying *******s and doing a fine job at it.
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Lark Hidel
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:43:00 -
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As I see it some kids come to the forums with 2-3 chars and whine about something and spew hatred.
I realy dont care about the intro,I think it's fine... your not going to see it more then once.Ok,maibe adding the backstory of all 4 races in there aswell would be nicer,but like I said I dont care and there are bigger problems that devs need to adress then something as trivial as a intro wich you will only see once... or never (ESC ESC ESC FFS ESC)
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 16/02/2009 12:58:20
Originally by: Lark Hidel As I see it some kids come to the forums with 2-3 chars and whine about something and spew hatred.
An excellent description of yourself and your posting style. Your input has been a great assistance. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Vitelius
Decorum Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.02.16 13:41:00 -
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After seeing the new intro I think it's just fancy graphics (note, didn't have sound on so I have no idea what the narrative was) but looking at it I just couldn't see any atmosphere in it. Fancy rendered ships flying around of different races and bang, that's all folks.
The old intro was a lot better, hell even with the old slideshow style it was great because it really worked as an introduction to the Eve universe. The world explained, the background story illustrated. I remember when I watched it the first time after creating my account, really gave me the feeling of stepping into an interesting awesome universe. The new one looks like a bunch of advertisement shots put together just to show shiny ships - like showing kids how awesome spaceships the game has. Not appealing.
Please, put some more thought into the new intro. The old one had a feeling of telling a story to the player, the new one just looks pretty. I liked the slideshow style a lot more, doesn't take the attention away from the background narrative and quite frankly has a feel of epicness in it. Rendered animated spaceships in a pretty formation just don't cut it.
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Kaahles
n0thing Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kaahles on 16/02/2009 13:54:31 What I personally would favour as an intro was mentioned bevor in the same or similar form.
An intro of epic proportions (renderd / real time scences I don’t care on that one) which tells the player the history about new Eden. Something similar to the intros of games like freelancer (has been mentioned on 1st page I think) or G-Police (pretty nice intro at the time). But you definitely need a better voice over for something like that the current voice is way to cold and doesn’t have the right mood for it.
In addition to this the idea with the racial intros is very nice. I’ll look at them as soon as they are released but I guess they will have the same voice cover as the current intro on SISI and that is a bad thing from my pov.
Suggestion: I don’t think you’ll get a completely new intro done in time but I would love to see some more epic stuff in one of the next expansions. Maybe with the WiS release including some historical scenes based on planets with nice shiny characters doing something cool?
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.16 14:12:00 -
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I agree that some feedback is in order. To quote a friend, who put this far better than I ever could:
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Extremely disappointing writing. The copy is severely weakened by the consistently fumbling and flabby attempts to grasp meaning and, as if that alone weren't enough, is pockmarked with pleonasms and in some places completely disfigured by the thoughtless misuse of one or another word.
Here are a few examples of what I mean: "other demigods roam these stars as well, and they are no less driven to...", (An amateur mistake. There is no reason to insert the superfluous and milky-sounding "as well".) "you will roam the heavens, commanding the most powerful machines ever built", (The link between the two clauses is not immediately clear, leaving the sentence lame. Additionally, "roam" has connotations of aimlessness, which implication is harmful to the intended meaning. Off the top of my head, an altogether better choice would have been: "Commanding the most powerful machines ever built, you will stalk the heavens, ...") "so unbound that not even death itself can claim you." ("unbound" can't be graduated: you are either bound, or you are not. Since the writer(s) meant unconstrained and not, strictly speaking, unshackled from bondage, a better choice is "so free that not even death can hold you").
What a fuss over a few words! I'm sure some will say (or, at least, be tempted to say). Yes, certainly, because a trailer or intro like this one is a reading continuously illustrated with moving pictures. The difference between making right and wrong calls at many junctures like the ones above is the difference between a clear and forceful reading and a passable one that, instead of bounding, shuffles to its goal.
On the whole, I think it's competent and I'm sure it'll intrigue many future players. But with better writing, it could have been excellent, because all the other aspects of the production are very, very good. ____________
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.16 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tareen Kashaar I agree that some feedback is in order. To quote a friend, who put this far better than I ever could:
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Extremely disappointing writing. The copy is severely weakened by the consistently fumbling and flabby attempts to grasp meaning and, as if that alone weren't enough, is pockmarked with pleonasms and in some places completely disfigured by the thoughtless misuse of one or another word.
Definitely sounds like a copy editor -----
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Erdiere
Minmatar Erasers inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tareen Kashaar I agree that some feedback is in order. To quote a friend, who put this far better than I ever could:
*gibberish*
So... "Other demigods stalk these stars, and they are no less driven to...", "Commanding the most powerful machines ever built, you will stalk the heavens, ...", "so free that not even death can hold you"
Stalking heavens, free from the hold of death.... tell your friend to leave his crack pipe, really.
These corrected versions suggested here are simply horrible.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.16 18:00:00 -
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The intro is nice and all, but as have been mentioned before, it feels like it leaves ALL the backstory behind and doesn't mention it. While it does describe slightly what you can do in the game, the whole EVE gate and all that "new universe" stuff just gets left out, which is a HUGE miss. That part of the backstory is important, and leaving it out of the actual introduction is a very bad move.
The intro should describe the backstory and explain what caspuleers really are, and then the racial videos (not in the game atm) should describe the empires. At least in my opinion.
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Kinuko
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Posted - 2009.02.16 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kinuko on 16/02/2009 18:35:02
Originally by: Tareen Kashaar
"Commanding the most powerful machines ever built, you will stalk the heavens, ...")
"so free that not even death can hold you"
Woah that is some solid writing here. I think even solid writing can make some stupid ego boosting intro into epic one. Even though I don't like the concept of new intro ,fixing some voice-over and writing mistakes will make it at least tolerable.
I mean new intro basicly tells you that:
"You are the best!! And even if you fail at anything, you can just raise your hand and say Intro movie said I was the best and immortal and demigod!!"
Anyway CCP can keep main concept of intro like that but at least they should work on writing and voice-over a little more. But I doubt they will do so.
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ancy Denaries The intro is nice and all, but as have been mentioned before, it feels like it leaves ALL the backstory behind and doesn't mention it. While it does describe slightly what you can do in the game, the whole EVE gate and all that "new universe" stuff just gets left out, which is a HUGE miss. That part of the backstory is important, and leaving it out of the actual introduction is a very bad move.
The intro should describe the backstory and explain what caspuleers really are, and then the racial videos (not in the game atm) should describe the empires. At least in my opinion.
This. Hopefully CCP t0rfifrans is passing this along to the other devs.
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Stitcher
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tareen Kashaar I agree that some feedback is in order. To quote a friend, who put this far better than I ever could:
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Extremely disappointing writing.(etc)
I'm inclined to disagree with the suggested revisions, frankly. Sure, they look good on paper, but what reads well and what sounds good are two very different things. A voiceover needs cadence and rhythm just as much as solid writing, if not more.
One thing I'd definitely like would be adding the after-effects used to produce the AURA voice. I know it's the same voice actress, but for that real EVE effect, I think bringing back the AURA voice with its metallic edge would be a step in the right direction.
The big thing, though, is that the intro still doesn't tell a story, even with the racial intro videos.
an intro movie is all about impact, about grabbing the player's attention. "you are about to become what all men should fear" is a DAMN good line, but the video needs to think like a cricketer or golfer, and follow through.
So I'd definitely recommend some more backstory exposition, and some different music. That sinister stuff definitely detracts from it all.
I know this is likely to read as a little amateurish, but here's an example of how I think the video could be improved.
"You are about to become what all men should fear. You have been chosen to join a young and fractured caste of demigods. Unlike most in this war-torn world, you are granted the power to truly shape the future - for you are immortal. You have all of eternity to sieze a destiny that is yours to define.
Your pursuit of power will not be unopposed, however - you are not the only one to stalk the heavens, and your fellow pilots are no less driven to succeed.... or to rule.
It is this hunger for power and control that has driven mankind throughout the ages. From homeworld to the stars, superpowers jostled for supremacy, and the universe provided them with the tools of success.
One such tool was the wormhole - a portal through which Mankind passed, emerging to find a new and untapped realm of rich resources to exploit. When the wormhole collapsed, the flame of mankind that had been carried to this New Eden flickered... but did not die.
Now, Mankind struggles against itself, as it always has. Four great nations have risen to vie for dominance in New Eden. The righteous Amarr, faithful and fervent. The democratic Gallente, liberal and passionate. The tribal Minmatar, defiant and free. The ruthless Caldari, united and driven.
The wars and alliances between these strong peoples have given rise to you, pilot. The power of armies rests at your command, the wealth of nations is yours to amass. If you die, you will be cloned back to life. But if you triumph, then there are no limits to the wealth and power you may amass. There are many roads to glory, and all of them are there to be trodden... but only by the bold.
Dare to be bold, pilot. Forge your own path to greatness."
imagine that set to the music of the original video. Keep the starship flight stuff from the new movie, and you have the best of both worlds, I think
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:40:00 -
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CCP, I like the new intro. I really do. it's much better as far as an intro goes. but your not priming the player for the story anymore.
even if you go into detail about the races, you LEAVING OUT THE BACKSTORY.
unless a dev can tell me how they invision new players learning of the eve gate and all that jazz, I won't be happy, and I know I'm just a player,
but I think I speak of all of us roleplayers when I say "we like the backstory of the eve universe, we think it's important"
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher stuff
This would be a much better introduction than the current one, take this and add a little more racial fluff to the videos in the character creation process and it would be a good introduction. Maybe CCP can also integrate a library function ingame in coming expansions that can help players acclimate themselves to the story instead of scouring the website for backstory.
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Dwaggysnaxx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.16 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Dwaggysnaxx on 16/02/2009 22:08:07
I think the new video is a good start, but it needs to tone down the "you are a fwiggin godbeast(now go mine veldspar in your ibis)" and maybe emphasize the teamwork aspect of eve.
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Ni'Kuth
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ni''Kuth on 16/02/2009 23:19:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ67FNLz8zI
What would have been wrong with making a new intro based on this old gem ?
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Better copy
I think this strikes a better balance than what we have currently. It sprinkles backstory into the introduction without going too far; there is always more for the player to explore later. The true setting is introduced, and that's what was necessary. One thing that I think is missing is a passing reference to civilizations of old being forgotten, but it's a good draft.
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