You say: "these frigs are now combat frigs". Agree! but when you say "this is middle range, this is short", I disagree.

what you are just doing is condemming a frig to sub-role inside a role. Unless all other frigs are combat frigs and you will have short and medium range frigs to offer, setting the range of a specific frig and set the bonus and attributes to fit this range is not good.

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Assuming range is something done and the decision to tag frigs with it is final I want to raise a question:

To dictate range you need speed. Looking at the speed of the frigs that are middle range, were is it?

(Other good stuff about speed versus range)

I also agree that taking away the Amarrian mining frigate without giving it an alternative, and leaving other races mining frigates intact is especially poor form. The Arbitrator is the Amarr pilot's next mining ship and let's face it, mining drones suck.

This argument is pointless. All mining frigates and cruisers are being rebuilt as combat or logistics ships.

This argument is pointless. All mining frigates and cruisers are being rebuilt as combat or logistics ships.

The argument is that they should do them all at once, not one at a time, with (knowing CCP) a significant delay between each wave of changes.

Yeah, because armor rep ships are used so much in PvP.

Combat navitas? Epic. Still, a frig like the navitas mines like a beast even compared to cruisers, so what are noobs to do?

I gotta ask.
So the first mining ship for a new pilot to eve will be a Mining barge? Doesn't that feel like a rather large step, and an expensive one, if someone wants to start with mining?
Will you introduce a lower tier mining ship for new players?

They have discussed new entry level ORE mining vessels. Likely the skillbook and ship provided for free off the tutorials.

They have discussed new entry level ORE mining vessels. Likely the skillbook and ship provided for free off the tutorials.

Well, in frigate combat.. yes. Yes they are. Almost all frigates I've seen that naturally armor tank are rep fit. There a few plated fits, but due to the speed penalty on ships that often rely on their speed...


In other news, YAY INCURSUS! :D

All you have to do is time your shots in your frig, and armor rep frigs usually die. However, +2 low slots on the incursus? It's the new rifter.

BTW, I want to strongly encourage you to consider how powerful a utility high is on a frigate. A nos is just about the only way that you can keep your guns running under the inevitable neut spam. If its at all possible, I fit a nos to every close range frigate I fly. These close range brawling frigates that require capacitor don't have room for a nos....

-Liang

MERLIN:

New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% to small hybrid turret range per level
Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 3 L, 3 turrets, no launchers
Fittings: 40 PWG, 180 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500 / 350 / 350
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 260 / 180 s / 1.44
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 / 3.7 / 997000 / 3.45 s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 580 / 5
Sensor strength: 11 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 39

Please no.

Im totally fine with making the merlin a 100% gun boat, but the best thing about the frigate is that 5% to shield resistances per level. Its why this ship is my favourite T1 frigate, its why I use it for 1v1s and its why im worried about the change.

Can we just have the 5% to damage and 5% to shield resistances?

The Incursus can get away with a cap booster in its fit. Not quite sure how the punisher will do though.

Hello folks,

We want to start with Tech 1 frigates, then move our way up as time passes, which means:

• There will be no skill change for Inferno. Your destroyer and battlecruiser skills are safe for now
• Battlecruisers will have to wait until we have rebalanced frigates and destroyers to have something clean to compare them with

Link? I'm curious.

I dunno dude, look at that pathetic capacitor size on an active tanked ship with guns that take cap. I'll undoubtedly end up fitting a a cap booster, but I tend to do that anyway. It still isn't enough - the nos really is "required". Its not like I'm talking out my ass about frigate combat here - feel free to go hunt up my videos.

-Liang

And Cruisers?

Hello folks,

As mentioned in the ship balancing Dev Blog, Inferno will be the starting point for a much needed ship overhaul. This post is to discuss planned changes for frigates before we move forward with Singularity testing.


We want to start with Tech 1 frigates, then move our way up as time passes, which means:

In this topic we will focus on Combat frigate rebalancing, which affects:

• Merlin: overhauled role to fit medium-long range turret platform

Exact changes below (without skills):


MERLIN:

• New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% to small hybrid turret range per level
• Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 3 L, 3 turrets, no launchers
• Fittings: 40 PWG, 180 CPU
• Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500 / 350 / 350
• Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 260 / 180 s / 1.44
• Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 / 3.7 / 997000 / 3.45 s
• Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
• Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 580 / 5
• Sensor strength: 11 Gravimetric
• Signature radius: 39

That's all for now, constructive comments are welcome

1) Drop the hybrids and swap to 3 missiles. Give it a missile bonus and leave the shield resists