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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
366
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:08:00 -
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I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, make it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt is only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each, then I don't see the fairness in all this.
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make reparation by rewarding the ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2524
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:12:00 -
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I can see why you are outraged - but in comparison to some very real game mechanics hosed by the 1.1 patch (ie wardec system) this is just small beer. Probably best to file it under "lol I invested in aurum/Nex and got taken to the cleaners" and move on with your life tbh.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Robert Warner
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:13:00 -
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You were treated like " ***** and dingleberries" the moment you spent the equivalent of $200 on a virtual T-shirt, so why come to the forums complaining about it a year later? |
Danfen Fenix
120
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:16:00 -
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Wow, do you react like this with every price change in your life? How do you ever go shopping ? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
366
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:16:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:I can see why you are outraged - but in comparison to some very real game mechanics hosed by the 1.1 patch (ie wardec system) this is just small beer. Probably best to file it under "lol I invested in aurum/Nex and got taken to the cleaners" and move on with your life tbh.
I know it is a small issue relative to other big changes, but I am just venting out because actual money was involved in this damn scheme.
If CCP decided to reissue Fullerene Shards or Cerebral Slices from current missions, I wouldn't have the same reaction.
In this case, there are dozens of people (investors?) who spent actual CASH to receive the "much anticipated" Ishukone Special Edition shirt. What is even more outrageous that we could've gotten the shirt for merely 50 cents if we waited for half a year!
13 x PLEX deal costed more than $230. I know that what we paid is for PLEXs, but in its initial marketing promotion, CCP made it sound as if the shirt was only obtainable via the specified venue.
This is just not acceptable. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
366
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:18:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Wow, do you react like this with every price change in your life? How do you ever go shopping ?
Yea, how would you react if you decide to purchase that pretty Mercedes E350 of yours for $48,000 and realize that the same dealership is selling that car for $1,000, 6 months later?
I wouldn't care if it was just an ingame item obtainable solely through ingame activities. This is an issue where actual cash is involved. |
Flakey Foont
160
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:19:00 -
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At least the Mercedes is real. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1584
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:20:00 -
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Funny how it wasn't obvious for you that this will happen.
Do you also go into a shop for computer parts, buy the new and overpriced stuff and then complain a month later because it's worth only half anymore ?
*shakeshead*
You are not special. You never were. You have the same value as everybody else. None.
You bought it for reasons you probably don't even understand yourself and now you're complaining about not being part of a small "special" group anymore.
RealityCheck:
You never were special. You never will be special.
You didn't even see it coming. You fell for the oldest trick in the book.
It was obvious.
Blame yourself. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2449
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:21:00 -
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So what you're saying is, that investing in virtual goods owned by a corporation you have no control over might not be a wise move. I can see why you're upset and hope CCP doesn't make a habit of making special edition items common, but I just can't get that upset with you over a shirt especially, since the shirt was a bonus gift given on top of a normal purchase of a PLEX packet. |
Danfen Fenix
120
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:22:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Wow, do you react like this with every price change in your life? How do you ever go shopping ? Yea, how would you react if you decide to purchase that pretty Mercedes E350 of yours for $48,000 and realize that the same dealership is selling that car for $1,000, 6 months later? I wouldn't care if it was just an ingame item obtainable solely through ingame activities. This is an issue where actual cash is involved.
I would suck it up. Not like theres anything I could do about it, and the dealership wouldn't be obliged to do anything, so why bother ranting? |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
366
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:23:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:So what you're saying is, that investing in virtual goods owned by a corporation you have no control over might not be a wise move. I can see why you're upset and hope CCP doesn't make a habit of making special edition items common, but I just can't get that upset with you over a shirt especially, since the shirt was a bonus gift given on top of a normal purchase of a PLEX packet.
You have valid point, but once again, not everyone thinks alike. If you examine the initial marketing promotion, CCP made it sound as if this is only obtainable via this special bundle, as a one-time offer. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
366
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:25:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Wow, do you react like this with every price change in your life? How do you ever go shopping ? Yea, how would you react if you decide to purchase that pretty Mercedes E350 of yours for $48,000 and realize that the same dealership is selling that car for $1,000, 6 months later? I wouldn't care if it was just an ingame item obtainable solely through ingame activities. This is an issue where actual cash is involved. I would suck it up. Not like theres anything I could do about it, and the dealership wouldn't be obliged to do anything, so why bother ranting?
Even those who are FAR RICHER than me with significantly more disposable income, would see the unfairness in this practice. I know what's done is done, but what I need is CCP's reassurance that they will be clear about their marketing procedures in the future. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1584
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:27:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:I would suck it up. Not like theres anything I could do about it, and the dealership wouldn't be obliged to do anything, so why bother ranting?
Because he bought it for a reason, obviously.
It's not about the money. The money was only the means to get what he wanted.
What he wanted was an unique/rare item.
Unique/rare items make people "special".
Now, of course, he complains about all the money he dropped onto something that made him "special", because obviously he wouldn't complain about not being "special" anymore.
/thread. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:27:00 -
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Why are you upset? You were able to dress in that sweet shirt 6 months before anyone could reasonably afford it. Weren't those 6 months of unique dress up barbie enough for you? Now the 99% get a crack at looking like a idiot in an overpriced e-shirt.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8149
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:28:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Yea, how would you react if you decide to purchase that pretty Mercedes E350 of yours for $48,000 and realize that the same dealership is selling that car for $1,000, 6 months later? GǪbut that's not what's happening in this case, is it?
What's going on here is that you got a free novelty key chain when you signed up for a full year of the book-of-the-month club, and now you're annoyed that the same novelty key chain is available in stores for pretty much the same price as you paid for it (viz. next to nothing). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Newz Bie
The Fiction Factory Blue Nation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:31:00 -
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$200 for a virtual item.
People actually bought that stuff?
ROFL.
WoW, just WoW, people who clearly have too much RL money deserve to have it taken from them. It's like stupidity tax. +1 CCP. |
Danfen Fenix
120
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:31:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:So what you're saying is, that investing in virtual goods owned by a corporation you have no control over might not be a wise move. I can see why you're upset and hope CCP doesn't make a habit of making special edition items common, but I just can't get that upset with you over a shirt especially, since the shirt was a bonus gift given on top of a normal purchase of a PLEX packet. You have valid point, but once again, not everyone thinks alike. If you examine the initial marketing promotion, CCP made it sound as if this is only obtainable via this special bundle, as a one-time offer.
It was only obtainable via the special off.....at the time.
It's like when a new movie comes out & it's stated to only be available at cinemas/theaters.
A few months later the DVD comes out.
Or, another recent trend in gaming, when you get special in game items/perks etc for purchasing the collectors edition, then said items are made available later on for MT. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
366
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:31:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Funny how it wasn't obvious for you that this will happen.
Do you also go into a shop for computer parts, buy the new and overpriced stuff and then complain a month later because it's worth only half anymore ?
*shakeshead*
You are not special. You never were. You have the same value as everybody else. None.
You bought it for reasons you probably don't even understand yourself and now you're complaining about not being part of a small "special" group anymore.
RealityCheck:
You never were special. You never will be special.
You didn't even see it coming. You fell for the oldest trick in the book.
It was obvious.
Blame yourself.
Obviously you failed ANALOGY section of the SAT exam. What you wrote there, has NOTHING TO DO with what we are going through. Do not try to preach me about my lack of understanding in economics when you are still struggling from the daily hardship of community college life.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8149
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:34:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Obviously you failed ANALOGY section of the SAT exam. GǪsays the guy who confuses a free promotional item with the actual good being bought in his car-buying analogy.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
366
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:34:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:So what you're saying is, that investing in virtual goods owned by a corporation you have no control over might not be a wise move. I can see why you're upset and hope CCP doesn't make a habit of making special edition items common, but I just can't get that upset with you over a shirt especially, since the shirt was a bonus gift given on top of a normal purchase of a PLEX packet. You have valid point, but once again, not everyone thinks alike. If you examine the initial marketing promotion, CCP made it sound as if this is only obtainable via this special bundle, as a one-time offer. It was only obtainable via the special off.....at the time. It's like when a new movie comes out & it's stated to only be available at cinemas/theaters. A few months later the DVD comes out. Or, another recent trend in gaming, when you get special in game items/perks etc for purchasing the collectors edition, then said items are made available later on for MT.
Could you try to examine other "unique" items. Please take a look at the Alliance Tournament prize section. It never says ANYTHING about the indefinite rarity of those ships, but people take it for granted that these will be "unique" till the end of EVE Online.
Why shouldn't CCP apply that to these other unique promotional items? Except this, actual cash was involved.
If CCP is willing to reissue these promotional items for 1/100th the initial market value, then CCP should do the same for ALL OTHER UNIQUES including:
Silver Magnate Gold Magnate Opux Luxury Yacht Tempest Tribal Issue Imperial Issue Armageddon All ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT SHIPS Guardian-Vexor Federation Issue Magathron.
Why show selectivity? This is not fair. |
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Splodger
Ausbruch Outbreak.
24
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:36:00 -
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Does anyone have a screenshot or details of the original offer?
Because it would be bad practice if they did indeed state was, either way as a selling entity where real money is involved CCP should have better practices or at least somewhere where The Antiquarian can get some customer service / answer to his query.
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
367
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Obviously you failed ANALOGY section of the SAT exam. GǪsays the guy who confuses a free promotional item with the actual good being bought in his car-buying analogy.
Obviously, I am dramatizing my points so that I can convey my thinking to the poster. I am not trying to espouse the fact that the shirts are equivalent to other tangible luxury items. What i am trying to convey here is the "almost-cryptic-deceptive" marketing practices shown by CCP. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1585
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:37:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Obviously you failed ANALOGY section of the SAT exam. What you wrote there, has NOTHING TO DO with what we are going through. Do not try to preach me about my lack of understanding in economics when you are still struggling from the daily hardship of community college life.
Bullcrap.
Not only am i not an american, i wasn't talking about economics at all.
It's not about the money.
It's about the item, the loss of it's rareness and thus the loss of you're fake belief of being part of a group of "special snowflakes".
You're from the US ? That would be fitting. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
367
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:39:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Obviously you failed ANALOGY section of the SAT exam. What you wrote there, has NOTHING TO DO with what we are going through. Do not try to preach me about my lack of understanding in economics when you are still struggling from the daily hardship of community college life.
Bullcrap. Not only am i not an american, i wasn't talking about economics at all. It's not about the money. It's about the item and the loss of it's rareness. You're from the US ? That would be fitting.
That is part of economics, my community college friend. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1508
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:39:00 -
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See that foot all wrapped in bandages?
That's where CCP shot itself.
Once you show your company to be dishonest in it's promotions, you lose the trust of the people who might have taken advantage of those promotions more than once if they stayed honest.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Danfen Fenix
121
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:40:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:but people take it for granted .
Singled out the most important part. Yes, people take it for granted. That is no ones fault but their own. CCP may reissue the other ships etc at a later time. They may not. Last I checked the ships from this christmas just gone were reissued ones themselves, correct? |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1585
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:41:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:[That is part of economics, my community college friend.
I am not your friend.
I don't have friends with such a low self esteem that they need to buy ...
... overpriced virtual items ... ... in a video game ...
... to give them a false sense of being special.
Again and, so even you can understand:
This isn't about the money or economics.
This is all about your bloated, and now hurt, ego. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:42:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote: This is not fair.
And "EvE is not fair" - CCP Soundwave.
EvE Gods giveth and EvE Gods taketh away. Careful not to anger them with your insolence. |
Martil
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:43:00 -
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I don't think I'd spend $230 on a t-shirt even in real life. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
367
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:43:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:but people take it for granted . Singled out the most important part. Yes, people take it for granted. That is no ones fault but their own. CCP may reissue the other ships etc at a later time. They may not. Last I checked the ships from this christmas just gone were reissued ones themselves, correct?
And hence, by pathetic attempt, to convey our displeasure. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
367
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:44:00 -
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Martil wrote:I don't think I'd spend $230 on a t-shirt even in real life.
There are those who spend $650 7-course meal at the Fat Duck while there are those who spend $6.50 for All Countries Buffet. Everyone values things differently. |
Martil
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:46:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Martil wrote:I don't think I'd spend $230 on a t-shirt even in real life. There are those who spend $650 7-course meal at the Fat Duck while there are those who spend $6.50 for All Countries Buffet. Everyone values things differently.
They both wind up the same place. Seems it just takes longer for internet shirts. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
367
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:47:00 -
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Martil wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Martil wrote:I don't think I'd spend $230 on a t-shirt even in real life. There are those who spend $650 7-course meal at the Fat Duck while there are those who spend $6.50 for All Countries Buffet. Everyone values things differently. They both wind up the same place. Seems it just takes longer for internet shirts.
Hahahahahaha good one. |
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:55:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:You have valid point, but once again, not everyone thinks alike... Yes, some people think clearly.
Feel free to Occupy This Thread! and demand two more free shirts for the other avatars on your account. |
Doc Mulder
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:59:00 -
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I think it's funny.
Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too... |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:59:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:You have valid point, but once again, not everyone thinks alike... Yes, some people think clearly. Feel free to Occupy This Thread! and demand two more free shirts for the other avatars on your account.
I know i look pathetic asking for reparation for ingame items, but still, CCP needs to be absolutely clear about its future promotions. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1192
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:59:00 -
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hahahaha get owned a rogue goon |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:59:00 -
[38] - Quote
Wait, it was a GIFT in a Plex package? I was going to make a joke when I read the first post, now it just got beyond my skills for it.
EDIT: Mercedes |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
553
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:01:00 -
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I think you all need to calm down a little in here. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:02:00 -
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Doc Mulder wrote:I think it's funny.
Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too...
I think it's funny too.
What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item or the decrease in price because of increase in supply. We are talking about CCP's "almost-cryptic-deceptive" marketing practice that incentivize us to dish out hundreds of dollars by making it sound as if this unique collectible item is obtainable contingent upon paying actual cash, when 6 months down the road, they resell it for 50 cents each. |
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Mangold
Born-2-Kill
18
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:02:00 -
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People buy aurum items? With plex?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:03:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:hahahaha get owned
hahaha yes still continue to talk like a 5-year old middle school drop-out. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:03:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Doc Mulder wrote:I think it's funny.
Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too... I think it's funny too. What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item or the decrease in price because of increase in supply. We are talking about CCP's "almost-cryptic-deceptive" marketing practice that incentivize us to dish out hundreds of dollars by making it sound as if this unique collectible item is obtainable contingent upon paying actual cash, when 6 months down the road, they resell it for 50 cents each.
Read that with attention folks, he didn't bough the Plex, he bought the digital shirt. |
Alerada
Scalar Aurora
2
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:05:00 -
[44] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:hahahaha get owned hahaha yes still continue to talk like a 5-year old middle school drop-out.
takes one to know one. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:06:00 -
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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Doc Mulder wrote:I think it's funny.
Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too... I think it's funny too. What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item or the decrease in price because of increase in supply. We are talking about CCP's "almost-cryptic-deceptive" marketing practice that incentivize us to dish out hundreds of dollars by making it sound as if this unique collectible item is obtainable contingent upon paying actual cash, when 6 months down the road, they resell it for 50 cents each. Read that with attention folks, he didn't bough the Plex, he bought the digital shirt.
Yes, I bought PLEXs to get the damn shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items. |
Cassidy Doom
Atomic Tek
2
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:06:00 -
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It's pretty lame. I considered the promotion when it came out as well. Glad I didn't fall for it. And the message CCP is sending us right now - is their promotions are lies.
Anyone not seeing this as bad business is just baiting you - ignoring them is your best bet. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
548
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:07:00 -
[47] - Quote
Oh wait, for a minute I thought OP was talking about a real shirt.
Dude, it's all pixels anyway. Seriously there are more important things in life, and if something like that makes you mad, I pity you. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:07:00 -
[48] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Doc Mulder wrote:I think it's funny.
Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too... I think it's funny too. What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item or the decrease in price because of increase in supply. We are talking about CCP's "almost-cryptic-deceptive" marketing practice that incentivize us to dish out hundreds of dollars by making it sound as if this unique collectible item is obtainable contingent upon paying actual cash, when 6 months down the road, they resell it for 50 cents each. Read that with attention folks, he didn't bough the Plex, he bought the digital shirt. Yes, I bought PLEXs to get the damn shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.
The Plex was not worth the cash? EDIT: I'm confused. |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University Amarr Empire
93
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:10:00 -
[49] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:hahahaha get owned hahaha yes still continue to talk like a 15-year old middle school drop-out.
I like all your personal insults have something to do with school.
Can you characterize me as a "dirty drunk sorority ****" next? |
Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:10:00 -
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I for one, agree with the antique guy. If CCP is going to reissue limited addition items the least they could do is stamp them with "Date Commissioned" or something so the originals retain some spacevalue... Poastin with my main while I AFK cloak in your system. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:10:00 -
[51] - Quote
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Doc Mulder wrote:I think it's funny.
Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too... I think it's funny too. What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item or the decrease in price because of increase in supply. We are talking about CCP's "almost-cryptic-deceptive" marketing practice that incentivize us to dish out hundreds of dollars by making it sound as if this unique collectible item is obtainable contingent upon paying actual cash, when 6 months down the road, they resell it for 50 cents each. Read that with attention folks, he didn't bough the Plex, he bought the digital shirt. Yes, I bought PLEXs to get the damn shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items. The Plex was not worth the cash? EDIT: I'm confused.
No. I had no immediate use for 39 x PLEXs. The cost includes postponement of spending on other alternatives/earning interests from real investments. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:12:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ghost Xray wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:hahahaha get owned hahaha yes still continue to talk like a 15-year old middle school drop-out. I like all your personal insults have something to do with school. Can you characterize me as a "dirty drunk sorority ****" next?
No. I never belittled anyone until I get insulted. Everyone has different styles of insulting others. |
Metamonic
St. Ives Mercantile League
6
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:14:00 -
[53] - Quote
Wow, if this is true OP has my full sympathy. CCP should really have a long hard look at their marketing department and put the people responsible under a very bright light.
Dont worry about all people in this thread trying to belittle your concern, they are just either very new at mmo's or not sharing the same sense of perspective as the likes of people who can see a little further ahead down the road.
If I were affected, especially for a price like that I would look for reversing the payment if possible with a chargeback unless CCP comes out recognizing what they've done and make amends. |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
455
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:19:00 -
[54] - Quote
https://secure.eveonline.com/CancelSubscription.aspx
hth |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
146
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:19:00 -
[55] - Quote
It went on sale later, it happens IRL in almost all cases as the newer stuff comes out the old goes on sale.
Mass production sets in and prices drop, the $100,000 status symbols of today are the Walmart specials of tomorrow.
/thread
I'm an American, English is my second language... |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:23:00 -
[56] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: No. I had no immediate use for 39 x PLEXs. The cost includes postponement of spending on other alternatives/earning interests from real investments.
But you still got the PLEX. They are worth the same in terms of game time wich is what they are meant for. And if you paid for exclusivity you had it, for 6 months. I personally don't understand this logic since we are far into the industrial age. No matter what anyone says, no product is unique, even less a digital product.
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
368
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 18:23:00 -
[57] - Quote
Bootleg Jack wrote:It went on sale later, it happens IRL in almost all cases as the newer stuff comes out the old goes on sale.
Mass production sets in and prices drop, the $100,000 status symbols of today are the Walmart specials of tomorrow.
/thread
Once again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. What you describe is an obsolescence of an item & depreciating in price due to increase supply. That does not apply for Ishukone Special Edition shirt.
I am outraged because of CCP's cryptic marketing practices. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
54
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:24:00 -
[58] - Quote
You spent around 200$ on a virtual t-shirt and got taken out behind the woodshed. I fail to see the problem here. |
Alerada
Scalar Aurora
2
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:25:00 -
[59] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:It went on sale later, it happens IRL in almost all cases as the newer stuff comes out the old goes on sale.
Mass production sets in and prices drop, the $100,000 status symbols of today are the Walmart specials of tomorrow.
/thread
Once again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. What you describe is an obsolescence of an item & depreciating in price due to increase supply. That does not apply for Ishukone Special Edition shirt. I am outraged because of CCP's cryptic marketing practices.
consider it an extended pre-order! |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
368
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 18:26:00 -
[60] - Quote
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: No. I had no immediate use for 39 x PLEXs. The cost includes postponement of spending on other alternatives/earning interests from real investments.
But you still got the PLEX. They are worth the same in terms of game time wich is what they are meant for. And if you paid for exclusivity you had it, for 6 months. I personally don't understand this logic since we are far into the industrial age. No matter what anyone says, no product is unique, even less a digital product.
When Ishukone Special Edition shirt was initially advertised, the site made it sound as if purchasing 13 x PLEXs is the only viable venue to obtain the special shirt. I did get 13 x PLEXs, but the main driver of me having to purchase the PLEXs was to obtain that special shirt. So we can't just easily dismiss the shirt as a "oh it was a bonus item. you shouldn't complain." It's not that simple.
Once again, if CCP was clear from the beginning about how the shirt will be sold for $0.50 cents in the future, even an impulsive nerdy ingame item lover like me, wouldn't have gone through that damn bundle deal. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
368
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 18:27:00 -
[61] - Quote
Eternal Error wrote:You spent around 200$ on a virtual t-shirt and got taken out behind the woodshed. I fail to see the problem here.
Funny thing here is that I would've purchased many more alike items if CCP kept it truly unique and exclusive as it initially advertised.
Everyone values things differently. Do not forget that. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
54
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 18:33:00 -
[62] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Eternal Error wrote:You spent around 200$ on a virtual t-shirt and got taken out behind the woodshed. I fail to see the problem here. Funny thing here is that I would've purchased many more alike items if CCP kept it truly unique and exclusive as it initially advertised. Everyone values things differently. Do not forget that. Exactly. You valued it enough to spend 13 PLEX on it so that you could have a "unique" item (with no guarantee of its continued uniqueness) for as long as the Eve Online servers were running. At no time did they explicitly state that it would always cost that much (note: if they did, I apologize, and you should raise hell, but you seem to have no proof of this). Clearly, you valued that shirt at around 200$ using the information you were given at the time. Price drops happen all the time on all sorts of item, and anyone with an IQ above that of your average bacteria knew that prices on most gear would eventually drop. Therefore, there is no problem here, and this thread sucks. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 18:35:00 -
[63] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: No. I had no immediate use for 39 x PLEXs. The cost includes postponement of spending on other alternatives/earning interests from real investments.
But you still got the PLEX. They are worth the same in terms of game time wich is what they are meant for. And if you paid for exclusivity you had it, for 6 months. I personally don't understand this logic since we are far into the industrial age. No matter what anyone says, no product is unique, even less a digital product. When Ishukone Special Edition shirt was initially advertised, the site made it sound as if purchasing 13 x PLEXs is the only viable venue to obtain the special shirt. I did get 13 x PLEXs, but the main driver of me having to purchase the PLEXs was to obtain that special shirt. So we can't just easily dismiss the shirt as a "oh it was a bonus item. you shouldn't complain." It's not that simple. Once again, if CCP was clear from the beginning about how the shirt will be sold for $0.50 cents in the future, even an impulsive nerdy ingame item lover like me, wouldn't have gone through that damn bundle deal.
I don't think CCP knew they would have to sell it cheap. Their intended consumers refuse to buy any digital item that costed more than material items so they had to change. Maybe you should reconsider your values. Now THAT is not simple, but people do it all the time. |
Mangold
Born-2-Kill
18
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 18:35:00 -
[64] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: Yes, I bought PLEXs to get the damn shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.
Quote of the week. You just made my day. Thank you. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
368
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 18:38:00 -
[65] - Quote
Eternal Error wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Eternal Error wrote:You spent around 200$ on a virtual t-shirt and got taken out behind the woodshed. I fail to see the problem here. Funny thing here is that I would've purchased many more alike items if CCP kept it truly unique and exclusive as it initially advertised. Everyone values things differently. Do not forget that. Exactly. You valued it enough to spend 13 PLEX on it so that you could have a "unique" item (with no guarantee of its continued uniqueness) for as long as the Eve Online servers were running. At no time did they explicitly state that it would always cost that much (note: if they did, I apologize, and you should raise hell, but you seem to have no proof of this). Clearly, you valued that shirt at around 200$ using the information you were given at the time. Price drops happen all the time on all sorts of item, and anyone with an IQ above that of your average bacteria knew that prices on most gear would eventually drop. Therefore, there is no problem here, and this thread sucks.
Once again, as I mentioned again and again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. "prices on most gear would eventually drop" only applies to items that are susceptible to market forces including change in supplies or the availability of the next best alternatives.
What we have here, Ishukone Special Edition Shirt, was advertised by CCP as if purchasing 13 x PLEX was the sole venue to obtain the item. Also, we all knew that it was a one-time event since it did specify "special one-time offer" so I don't see why I shouldn't be outraged at CCP when they decided to reissue the shirt for $0.50 cents. Before you go on insulting me about my IQ and telling me how my thread sucks, you should study more about economics. It could be a powerful tool for you in the future. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
54
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 18:44:00 -
[66] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: Once again, as I mentioned again and again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. "prices on most gear would eventually drop" only applies to items that are susceptible to market forces including change in supplies or the availability of the next best alternatives.
What we have here, Ishukone Special Edition Shirt, was advertised by CCP as if purchasing 13 x PLEX was the sole venue to obtain the item. Also, we all knew that it was a one-time event since it did specify "special one-time offer" so I don't see why I shouldn't be outraged at CCP when they decided to reissue the shirt for $0.50 cents. Before you go on insulting me about my IQ and telling me how my thread sucks, you should study more about economics. It could be a powerful tool for you in the future.
It has everything to do with your issue. Price drops can occur for any reason not just increases in supply or obsolescence (examples: video games several months of release i.e. decrease in demand, or airplane ticket/hotel pricing based on when you book). You continue to repeat that it was advertised "as if" the price would never drop. That is your interpretation. Unless you can produce proof that they explicitly stated that the price would remain that way, this one is on you.
Also, you understanding of economics is lackluster at best. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:44:00 -
[67] - Quote
This issue is indeed stupid. Thread OP is naive at his best but I sense CCP's fashion department will intervene for the sake of overall beatifulness and to restore the faith of space virtual supermodels. |
Rond Dorlezahn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:44:00 -
[68] - Quote
If you bought 13 plex for cash to get a SHIRT, I have no sympathy whatsoever for your plight |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8151
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 18:44:00 -
[69] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Once again, as I mentioned again and again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. "prices on most gear would eventually drop" only applies to items that are susceptible to market forces including change in supplies or the availability of the next best alternatives. It has everything to do with your issue because it's exactly what happened: the item in question is susceptible to market forces, in particular a change in supplies and availability.
Quote:Also, we all knew that it was a one-time event since it did specify "special one-time offer" And it was. It still is. So far, it's the only time that shirt has been offered for free with a PLEX bundle. Now, there's a new offer where you actually have to pay for the item itself.
Again, you're complaining that your free novelty key chain is also available at the store and spending money on a product just to get the side-offers is just as foolish as it has been for the last, oh, 150 years or so.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
370
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 18:45:00 -
[70] - Quote
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: No. I had no immediate use for 39 x PLEXs. The cost includes postponement of spending on other alternatives/earning interests from real investments.
But you still got the PLEX. They are worth the same in terms of game time wich is what they are meant for. And if you paid for exclusivity you had it, for 6 months. I personally don't understand this logic since we are far into the industrial age. No matter what anyone says, no product is unique, even less a digital product. When Ishukone Special Edition shirt was initially advertised, the site made it sound as if purchasing 13 x PLEXs is the only viable venue to obtain the special shirt. I did get 13 x PLEXs, but the main driver of me having to purchase the PLEXs was to obtain that special shirt. So we can't just easily dismiss the shirt as a "oh it was a bonus item. you shouldn't complain." It's not that simple. Once again, if CCP was clear from the beginning about how the shirt will be sold for $0.50 cents in the future, even an impulsive nerdy ingame item lover like me, wouldn't have gone through that damn bundle deal. I don't think CCP knew they would have to sell it cheap. Their intended consumers refuse to buy any digital item that costed more than material items so they had to change. Maybe you should reconsider your values. Now THAT is not simple, but people do it all the time.
I will certainly "reconsider my value" once CCP acknowledges its mishap and be more clear about its future promotions. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
370
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:47:00 -
[71] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Once again, as I mentioned again and again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. "prices on most gear would eventually drop" only applies to items that are susceptible to market forces including change in supplies or the availability of the next best alternatives. It has everything to do with your issue because it's exactly what happened: the item in question is susceptible to market forces, in particular a change in supplies and availability. Quote:Also, we all knew that it was a one-time event since it did specify "special one-time offer" And it was. It still is. So far, it's the only time that shirt has been offered for free with a PLEX bundle. Now, there's a new offer where you actually have to pay for the item itself. Again, you're complaining that your free novelty key chain is also available at the store and spending money on a product just to get the side-offers is just as foolish as it has been for the last, oh, 150 years or so.
Now you are playing wording games here. When a simple player with mediocre intellect reads a message that says "one-time offer & special edition & only," he/she could logically assume that this item is disseminated only on a definite basis and will maintain its value as collectible item.
Until last year's Christmas debacle with the reissuance of old historical frigates, CCP performed extremely well on keeping its purported exclusive items, truly "exclusive" for 7 amazing years. Magnates, GV, Tourney Prices, Annual Frigates, Collectors' Edition Shuttle, and all other special promotional/ingame activity items remained truly unique. It was only RECENTLY that CCP decided to reuse the old historical items. Obviously a miscommunication between the marketing department or a change in personnel (of course, I am being speculative here).
What I am asking here is a simple acknowledgement by CCP that they will be more clear about their marketing practices. Having spent unnecessary $, some kind of reparation for the previous spenders would be only "fair." |
Kieron VonDeux
46
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:51:00 -
[72] - Quote
This is why I don't buy virtual goods. Especially at a "virtual" price floor, that can "virually' disappear at a whim.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8152
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:02:00 -
[73] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Now you are playing wording games here. Welcome to advertising.
Regardless, that's what GÇ£one time offerGÇ¥ means: at this time, and at this time only, can you get this bundle. It pretty much never means the items you get in the bundle are unique or that it's the only way to get them. If it said anything more, you need to pony up the original text where any kind of promise about perpetual exclusivity was mentioned, because I certainly don't remember it saying anything of the kind.
Quote:Until last year's Christmas debacle with the reissuance of old historical frigates, CCP performed extremely well on keeping its purported exclusive items, truly "exclusive" for 7 amazing years. Magnates, GV, Tourney Prices, Annual Frigates, Collectors' Edition Shuttle, and all other special promotional/ingame activity items remained truly unique. GǪand none of them were exclusive or promotional, and they didn't GÇ£come free with purchaseGÇ¥ like the novelty key ring you GÇ£bought.GÇ¥ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
31
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:05:00 -
[74] - Quote
I realize many people out there don't see things this way, but here is my take on the situation.
Even though I was directly effected by last night's price drops I am still happy with the new pricing. My philosophy is to not spend more on an item than what you believe it is worth to you. For me that bar is set pretty high for apparel items, although not as high as CCP's original AUR prices. My personal opinion is in general it is dangerous to buy something based off of perceived rareness and potential value and you shouldn't buy something that you feel is overpriced.
Given that theory I do not feel like the money I spent on the Executor Red/Gold or the re-issued shoes was a waste, since I intend on keeping them and did not mind spending the money to get them. On the other hand I bought the ten new apparel items released today for the same price as my Executor once cost. Had CCP released the new items at 3000-4000 AUR each there would have been no way I could have bought the complete set.
I do think that it would have been a bit wiser for CCP to release a new color (like the Quafe shirt, which I don't think would have been difficult) which would have also increased the available inventory, and keep people from getting upset.
I suppose that there is the other side of the coin with the I have something you will never have mentality, but I personally never cared for the divide between the haves and the have nots. I like to buy things that I like, instead of buying things that are rare and cost a ton, although there is sadly often a correlation between the two. That 500m ISK coat is still worth 500m, and if that isn't true to others perhaps they shouldn't have spent that much for it. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1466
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:06:00 -
[75] - Quote
Awwww... Lol... |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
370
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:09:00 -
[76] - Quote
Celeste Taylor wrote:I realize many people out there don't see things this way, but here is my take on the situation.
Even though I was directly effected by last night's price drops I am still happy with the new pricing. My philosophy is to not spend more on an item than what you believe it is worth to you. For me that bar is set pretty high for apparel items, although not as high as CCP's original AUR prices. My personal opinion is in general it is dangerous to buy something based off of perceived rareness and potential value and you shouldn't buy something that you feel is overpriced.
Given that theory I do not feel like the money I spent on the Executor Red/Gold or the re-issued shoes was a waste, since I intend on keeping them and did not mind spending the money to get them. On the other hand I bought the ten new apparel items released today for the same price as my Executor once cost. Had CCP released the new items at 3000-4000 AUR each there would have been no way I could have bought the complete set.
I do think that it would have been a bit wiser for CCP to release a new color (like the Quafe shirt, which I don't think would have been difficult) which would have also increased the available inventory, and keep people from getting upset.
I suppose that there is the other side of the coin with the I have something you will never have mentality, but I personally never cared for the divide between the haves and the have nots. I like to buy things that I like, instead of buying things that are rare and cost a ton, although there is sadly often a correlation between the two. That 500m ISK coat is still worth 500m, and if that isn't true to others perhaps they shouldn't have spent that much for it.
What you say is absolutely valid as well.
I am not espousing for maintaining this "great wall" between the haves and have-nots. I am just asking CCP to be more clear about its deceptive marketing practices because I wouldn't have wasted hundreds of dollars on "early PLEX purchase" when i could've simply go on with my real-life for 6 months, come back to EVE, and buy that same item for $0.50!
I am just asking CCP to be CLEAR. And of course, for the sake of fairness, some kind of reparation for the previous collectors, is just. |
mmorpg lol
Entropy Exploration And Excavation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:26:00 -
[77] - Quote
aboo! aboo! The free lamborghini keychain I got with my lamborghini is now on sale for 5 bux. brb, suing lamborghini. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:32:00 -
[78] - Quote
Flakey Foont wrote:At least the Mercedes is real. Once upon a time there was a British car manufacturer that went by the name of Jaquar. One dark day the evil car manufacturer Ford purchased Jaquar, and in a mighty uproar thousands of loyal Jaquar owners all cried at once "this is unexceptable! Our lovely overpriced luxury cars won't be worth anything because ford is going to produce a cheaper model car under the Jaquar name!"
Ford did.
The rest of the world could care less; very much like the OP's problem.
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
370
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:35:00 -
[79] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote:Flakey Foont wrote:At least the Mercedes is real. Once upon a time there was a British car manufacturer that went by the name of Jaquar. One dark day the evil car manufacturer Ford purchased Jaquar, and in a mighty uproar thousands of loyal Jaquar owners all cried at once "this is unexceptable! Our lovely overpriced luxury cars won't be worth anything because ford is going to produce a cheaper model car under the Jaquar name!" Ford did. The rest of the world could care less; very much like the OP's problem.
Nice speech there, but everyone values things differently. You might not care. Most likely, many others don't care about my issue. But there are certainly a few who cares deeply about this issue. I wouldn't just discount this issue right away. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
371
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:37:00 -
[80] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote:Flakey Foont wrote:At least the Mercedes is real. Once upon a time there was a British car manufacturer that went by the name of Jaquar. One dark day the evil car manufacturer Ford purchased Jaquar, and in a mighty uproar thousands of loyal Jaquar owners all cried at once "this is unexceptable! Our lovely overpriced luxury cars won't be worth anything because ford is going to produce a cheaper model car under the Jaquar name!" Ford did. The rest of the world could care less; very much like the OP's problem.
And your small summary is very misleading. The cae of the Ford's acquisition of Jaguar had huge implications for millions of shareholders and certainly for the outcome of other similar mergers and acquisitions. You can't just say "the world does not care" because you don't care. Oh wait... that's the usual "goons mentality," right? |
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Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
13
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:38:00 -
[81] - Quote
At least with hookers and herpes, you'd have a story worth telling... |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
149
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:39:00 -
[82] - Quote
I agree with op, i buy this shirt for my main one hour ago for 500 arum, i know it was rare and expensive before, and some people pay a lot for this item long time ago, CCP should reimburse arum form those people.
So what the point of reduce rare items price while monocle got old price ? Teemo for president. |
MinefieldS
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:41:00 -
[83] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Wow, do you react like this with every price change in your life? How do you ever go shopping ? Yea, how would you react if you decide to purchase that pretty Mercedes E350 of yours for $48,000 and realize that the same dealership is selling that car for $1,000, 6 months later? I wouldn't care if it was just an ingame item obtainable solely through ingame activities. This is an issue where actual cash is involved. I once bought an item for $70, only to find out that the price dropped to $55 the next day. The retailer wouldn't refund me $15 so I returned the item for a refund and ordered another one. I got what I wanted and the retailer lost more money on shipping. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8153
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:41:00 -
[84] - Quote
Cloned S0ul wrote:I agree with op, i buy this shirt for my main one hour ago for 500 arum, i know it was rare and expensive before Actually, it was rare and free before. It didn't cost any AUR and as such, no AUR should (or indeed could) be reimbursed.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:42:00 -
[85] - Quote
So your just now mad you spent $200 on a fake shirt?
Don't see the issue if it was worth the money then ( guess it was it was bought) who cares wtf the price is now. Either way you got ripped off rofl... $200 or .50 cents.
Um new car... $$$$$$ 10 years later what is it worth 10% of what it was? maybe 20? lol And that is a REAL item...
Well welcome to online space game... 10 year = 6 months your thing is now worthless...
Also since everyone seems to like RL...
CCP roll play it as a cheaper knock off... BOOM done /thread |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:42:00 -
[86] - Quote
Newz Bie wrote:It's like stupidity tax. +1 CCP.
I like the idea but then then some would get bankrupt after controls around here brb |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
371
|
Posted - 2012.06.25 19:43:00 -
[87] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:I agree with op, i buy this shirt for my main one hour ago for 500 arum, i know it was rare and expensive before Actually, it was rare and free before. It didn't cost any AUR and as such, no AUR should (or indeed could) be reimbursed.
But those items were advertised as if obtaining the items was contingent upon the purchase of either EVE Online Russian Collector's Edition, 13 X Plexs, or "blank." The value came from exclusivity and there are people who took additional risk and actual cash to obtain these exclusive collectible items. You can't just ignore that. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
371
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:44:00 -
[88] - Quote
MinefieldS wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Wow, do you react like this with every price change in your life? How do you ever go shopping ? Yea, how would you react if you decide to purchase that pretty Mercedes E350 of yours for $48,000 and realize that the same dealership is selling that car for $1,000, 6 months later? I wouldn't care if it was just an ingame item obtainable solely through ingame activities. This is an issue where actual cash is involved. I once bought an item for $70, only to find out that the price dropped to $55 the next day. The retailer wouldn't refund me $15 so I returned the item for a refund and ordered another one. I got what I wanted and the retailer lost more money on shipping.
Once again, what you describe here has nothing to do with my issue. Thanks for your story though. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8158
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:49:00 -
[89] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Why shouldn't CCP apply that to these other unique promotional items? Why do you assume that they're unique?
Quote:Why show selectivity? For one, the items you listed are not promotional or GÇ£free with purchaseGÇ¥.
Quote:But those items were advertised as if obtaining the items was contingent upon the purchase of either EVE Online Russian Collector's Edition, 13 X Plexs, or "blank." The value came from exclusivity and there are people who took additional risk and actual cash to obtain these exclusive collectible items. You can't just ignore that. No additional risk or cash was required to get these items. You got exactly what you paid for: 13 PLEX. You also got a free item thrown in just for fun. The value came from the rarity, and now (like most promo junk) it's available on the market. Your problem here is that you assigned value to promo junk, when the only way the price could go was down.
If you wanted the item for collection purposes, you got it for less than anyone else. If you wanted to make money on the item, you should have cashed out early and not doing so was an error of judgement on your part.
Quote:Once again, what you describe here has nothing to do with my issue. Thanks for your story though. Once again, it is the exact same situation, no matter how much you try to dismiss it as such. You chose poorly and the market happened. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Bruce Wie
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:51:00 -
[90] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
Welcome to ccp customer services === which hole do you wish filled. |
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Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
149
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:54:00 -
[91] - Quote
Newz Bie wrote:$200 for a virtual item.
People actually bought that stuff?
ROFL.
WoW, just WoW, people who clearly have too much RL money deserve to have it taken from them. It's like stupidity tax. +1 CCP.
Not everyone, personaly i got 2000 free arum form CCP as gift after come back to EvE months ago, so yes (OMG he spent own free arum) ;) Teemo for president. |
Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:02:00 -
[92] - Quote
Wait......
Sorry, I am trying to really understand this one....
13 PLEX = $229.89
Someone invested the equivalent of $229.89 FOR A VIRTUAL T-SHIRT?!?!??!!?
I just can't wrap my head around this one lol |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
149
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:55:00 -
[93] - Quote
In fact whole internet and software is Virtual... we pay for things that not exist in real word. No mater if t-shirt-mp3 song, visual upgardes, programs that make windows look better etc, games addons etc, all is virtual. We pay for binary numbers. Teemo for president. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
42
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:19:00 -
[94] - Quote
CPP trolled you?
You don't say? "."
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1509
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:23:00 -
[95] - Quote
Why in God's name are you people so willfully misunderstanding the OP?
It's not about price fluctuations. It's not about market forces. It's not about any of the other weird crap y'all are posting.
What it is about is CCP offering a one-off item in exchange for a significant purchase of PLEXes and then doing a complete reverse after putting the money in their pockets.
I fully agree with the OP and have now taken CCP off all my white lists so as not to be offended, or even taken in, by these marketing lies in the future. This, of course, means they have also lost me as a customer for any legit stuff they may offer since I will not see it.
That, CCP, is Karma.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
473
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Posted - 2012.06.25 21:24:00 -
[96] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Doc Mulder wrote:I think it's funny.
Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too... I think it's funny too. What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item or the decrease in price because of increase in supply. We are talking about CCP's "almost-cryptic-deceptive" marketing practice that incentivize us to dish out hundreds of dollars by making it sound as if this unique collectible item is obtainable contingent upon paying actual cash, when 6 months down the road, they resell it for 50 cents each. Read that with attention folks, he didn't bough the Plex, he bought the digital shirt. Yes, I bought PLEXs to get the damn shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.
Well I guess you are at peace with the fact that you are an idiot at least. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
4
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Posted - 2012.06.25 22:48:00 -
[97] - Quote
This patch was incredibly poorly planned. Some time ago I bought several of these "limited edition" shirts off the market for over a billion isk each as an investment. I woke up today to find that _without any announcement or warning_ these items have been made worthless. This happened to several other NEX items I was holding as well.
I have lost at least 5 billion isk due to this patch - If an item is supposidly "limited edition" it should stay that way. If you want to change it, you should give a full list of the items you will be releasing, and you should reimburse people such as myself who have poured countless hours into obtaining these now worthless items.
That money was going to fund my subscriptions over the next few months, but now what will I do? |
Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
49
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Posted - 2012.06.25 23:23:00 -
[98] - Quote
I also did some trading with GÇ£specialGÇ¥ items. Pretty annoying. A warning wouldn't have mattered, what matters it that they did it. Well done CCP, now everyone is unsatisfied: Those people who liked NEX items and those people who hated them from the start.
Maybe you can make some kind of reimbursement? Maybe even in a such a smart way that Goons can blow up freighters full of uniforms for profit?
But what really bulls me are those folks who are spending time in a computer space game forum blaming other people that they bought a virtual shirt. And you think you're smart? |
Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.25 23:32:00 -
[99] - Quote
I too am very unhappy about my lost invested isk. However, I am also unhappy about the fact that it seems I can't trust CCP to produce limited number items, or to respect implied or hinted single releases.
So I agree with OP, but disagree with car analogy. It would be more like if you purchased a train set that advertised 'special edition locamotive inside, unavailable anywhere else!'. As an avid collector (and the locomotive advertisement was obviously *targeted* at collectors) you purchase it, only to find out a few months down the road they are selling your supposed 'special edition' locomotive for 1% the price it was worth as part of the original set. Now every kid with a train set has one. It is important for a customer to be able to trust the implications of a company's words. In the case of the train collector, he should be able to trust the company that the locomotive will remain special.
While I didn't use the plex offer, I think people are rightly upset about it. It looks borderline scam, but not the sort that's allowed in EVE. Incentivize an offer with a 'special edition' to get more purchases, but then remove the specialness of it later. And to what end? There was no good reason to make it so cheap and common in the end.
Side note: SOME of the lost isk or Aurum due to devalued itemsis also the result of actual error. 4 items that CCP said explicitly would not be lowered were, having duplicate entries in the NEX. It seems plausible to me that the release of the ishukone and the red/black women's coat was an error just like the release of these duplicates. CCP will have to fix this, but it's now going to be a mess. And they will have to fix it because some of these purchases involve money, and they said it would not change. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
4
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Posted - 2012.06.25 23:53:00 -
[100] - Quote
Everybody who's been shafted by this should petition it. That might get their attention. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2100
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:03:00 -
[101] - Quote
The phrase you are looking for, and will not find in the original offer, is the term "Limited Edition"... which is not the same thing as a "Special Edition". To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8172
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:08:00 -
[102] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:What it is about is CCP offering a one-off item in exchange for a significant purchase of PLEXes and then doing a complete reverse after putting the money in their pockets. No, what it is about is the OP getting fooled by a GÇ£one-time offerGÇ¥ and thinking that, unlike every one-time offer ever, it was the items that were GÇ£one-timeGÇ¥ and not the offer itself.
He blames CCP for this, but hasn't been able to offer much proof that they're at fault. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:16:00 -
[103] - Quote
Kudos to you, Tippia, for bothering with trying time and again to explain how everything connects together in this case. The thread was already "won" with the key chain analogy, yet people keep coming back like a stubborn and spoiled child that refuses to accept no for an answer. I'm amazed that this thread has actually reached six pages. Under new management since 06-06-2012 Forever faithful to the Royal Amarr Institute |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
126
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:18:00 -
[104] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
lol this post is gold.
And also this is what happens when you spend stupid amounts of cash on a virtual item, i hope this happens to EVERY person who bought one of those dam monocles and i hope they felt like **** and dinglebetties also.
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Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:19:00 -
[105] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:The phrase you are looking for, and will not find in the original offer, is the term "Limited Edition"... which is not the same thing as a "Special Edition".
And it doesn't need the word "limited". In my trains example, I used the word "special". And indeed, what is "special" about the ishukone shirt now? Nothing.
Even substituting 'limited' with 'special' doesn't justify or explain the current situation. Indeed, I expect this is an error - that these items were released in error alongside those other NEX items that were clearly duplicated in error, and contrary to what CCP stated: "Existing items from before June 19th will remain in the store, for now, at the current prices so that we donGÇÖt devalue the investment that some players have already made." But that didn't happen. They devalued items they explicitly said they would not, and devalued some items that they did not explicitly say they would not (but one could reasonably expect they would not).
Furthermore, I think that even those who are not burned by this should be upset. EVE is made better by having rare, limited numbers of items. I will never have a dreadnought in high-sec, but I like the fact that some people do. I will never have certain "special' ships, but I like that others do. I would be upset if those dreadnoughts get moved to low-sec, even though it does not affect me. It's about what we want the game to be like.
And this is also about trust in advertising - and it's made even more complicated when the offers are in connection with real money (eg, plex purchases) or microtransactions which are translatable to real money (eg, aurum purchases). There is more onus on CCP in these instances to be careful what they are implying and protect the purchases of people.
And you need trust for the NEX store to work - so this is all in CCP's best interest. Imagine you were one of those silly people who purchased a monocle with aurum you obtained from spending real money. Now, imagine also that CCP allows the transfer of Aurum between players. Suddenly everyone with a couple of alts is topping up their aurum, buying monocles and selling them on market. The monocle you paid real money for (stupidly or not) is suddenly worth a lot less.
Are you, the person with cash to burn on the NEX, going to buy from the NEX again? I doubt it. If you didn't see the monocle as a waste of money in the first place, you will by now.
There's a whole lot of trust issues that are being created. And the cleanup is going to be a *****. |
Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:22:00 -
[106] - Quote
ITTigerClawIK wrote:
lol this post is gold.
And also this is what happens when you spend stupid amounts of cash on a virtual item, i hope this happens to EVERY person who bought one of those dam monocles and i hope they felt like **** and dinglebetties also.
You are clearly not someone CCP should be listening to. They WANT the NEX to work, and for people to value their virtual clothes, whereas you are laughing because you see the fact that people who value virtual clothes and the NEX are being burned by CCP.
In other words, your post supports the complaints in this thread. If CCP wants the NEX to work, and for customers to have trust, then they have made an error. They were made a fool of by CCP for using the NEX and valuing virtual clothing. The lesson here: don't value EVE virtual clothes, don't trust the NEX.
I doubt that's the lesson CCP is wanting to give. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:22:00 -
[107] - Quote
ROFL You are pissed off cos of a monacle? Besides you forgot the monacle is old now and it went out of fashion! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8174
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:23:00 -
[108] - Quote
Rikula wrote:And it doesn't need the word "limited". In my trains example, I used the word "special". And indeed, what is "special" about the ishukone shirt now? The same thing that's GÇ£specialGÇ¥ about the GÇ£Aliens Special EditionGÇ¥ (available to everyone at their local video store): it's different from the normal version.
Quote:And this is also about trust in advertising GǪand the question remains: what did the offer actually say? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:23:00 -
[109] - Quote
Wait, wat ? Do I read this right ?
- The OP buys 13 PLEX and gets a free limited edition virtual shirt.
- If he sold the shirt back then he could have got 1.2 B extra ISK on top of the PLEX he bought
- CCP 6 months later release the virtual shirt in the Nex Store. The collector value vanishes as you would expect
- OP whines because he didnt cash out in time
He got the ISK for the PLEX he bought. He took a gamble and failed to cash in on the free virtual shirt before it was no longer limited edition.
Whats the problem ? |
Gul'gotha Derv'ash
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Li3 Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:28:00 -
[110] - Quote
That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt... |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2100
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:29:00 -
[111] - Quote
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:Wait, wat ? Do I read this right ?
- The OP buys 13 PLEX and gets a free limited edition virtual shirt.
- If he sold the shirt back then he could have got 1.2 B extra ISK on top of the PLEX he bought
- CCP 6 months later release the virtual shirt in the Nex Store. The collector value vanishes as you would expect
- OP whines because he didnt cash out in time
He got the ISK for the PLEX he bought. He took a gamble and failed to cash in on the free virtual shirt before it was no longer limited edition. Whats the problem ?
There isn't one, other than the OP is publicly flagellating himself and attempting to make people believe the whip is in CCP's hand. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8176
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:29:00 -
[112] - Quote
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt... GǪnot to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:30:00 -
[113] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Quote:And this is also about trust in advertising GǪand the question remains: what did the offer actually say?
I don't know, it would be good to find it (I can't find it yet). I still think there's a case to be made, even if the original offer did not specify that it would be limited to that offer only, for the reasons I listed above. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
99
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:30:00 -
[114] - Quote
1) I've had shops in real life and for me it was obvious from the beginning of Incarna 12 months ago - CCP don't have any clues about retail business and there will be multiple "surprises" and
2) it will be funny to see cheap monocles all over the marketplace after CCP will introduce more stylish glasses for 100-500AUR. |
ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:31:00 -
[115] - Quote
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote: Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt...
But the OP didnt pay 1B for a shirt. He simply failed to actually sell it for 1 B. Who knows, if he ever put it on the market would it even have been sold.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2100
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:32:00 -
[116] - Quote
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt...
You might have a point if that shirt had been sold through the NEX for the old over inflated prices.
However, it has never been sold before. In fact it has only been given away previously as a free gift for purchasing a special PLEX offer. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:32:00 -
[117] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt... GǪnot to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public.
False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
4
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:34:00 -
[118] - Quote
However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2100
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:34:00 -
[119] - Quote
Rikula wrote:Tippia wrote:Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt... GǪnot to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public. False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price.
Which is fine since he didn't pay anything for it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:34:00 -
[120] - Quote
Rikula wrote:False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price.
Bad analogy. The ~shirt~ was in this case quite clearly given free when the PLEX were purchased.
The ~shirt~ is a lie
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2100
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:35:00 -
[121] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.
Items sold through the NEX.
This item was never sold via the NEX... or anywhere else for that matter. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8176
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:36:00 -
[122] - Quote
You're talking about your simile, I take it?
Quote:When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. GǪwhich bears no relevance to this case, since the shirt did come with a price: free with purchase. Now, it is no longer free GÇö you have to pay 500 AUR for it. 500 AUR > free.
iskflakes wrote:However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done. No, because CCP didn't set that 1b+ price to begin with GÇö other players did. CCP haven't changed the price of Hulks either, and I've still been able to sell the ones I had in storage for several hundreds of millions in profit each. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:37:00 -
[123] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.
Welp |
Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:43:00 -
[124] - Quote
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:Rikula wrote:False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price. Bad analogy. The ~shirt~ was in this case quite clearly given free when the PLEX were purchased. The ~shirt~ is a lie
Not a bad analogy, because you're focusing on an irrelevant part of the analogy - the point was to show how prices are not determined by some inherent property of the item itself. Just because an item lacks a "price property" doesn't mean it has no value, or is free.
Even in bundles like this, people value so-called "freebies". Suppose you were to purchase a bundle of 5 dvd's, which came free with a sixth specific dvd. You don't therefore value the sixth dvd as being zero. You might jump onto ebay, and sell it for maybe half or a quarter of its normal retail price. It still has a value to you and to others, and its price is not zero.
Maybe you even did a cost calculation: "I only really want 4 of the 5 dvd's, but if I sell the sixth free one, I can recuperate some of the cost for the 5th one I don't really want". In this case, for you there *is* a price for the sixth dvd.
Maybe you're one of those people that thinks you get a mobile for free when it says, "pay $0 for your mobile phone on a 24 month contract!". It's not actually free to you.
Anyway, main point: Ishukone shirt was more expensive pre-patch and is less expensive post-patch. Not the other way. |
Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:48:00 -
[125] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Rikula wrote: False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price.
Which is fine since he didn't pay anything for it.
^ This.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1367
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:48:00 -
[126] - Quote
lol a fool and his plex are soon parted |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:52:00 -
[127] - Quote
damn, I will probably not be playing for the next month, but I'm buying an Ishukone shirt myself right now |
Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:53:00 -
[128] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:lol a fool and his plex are soon parted
CCP making a fool of people that buy plex is not what CCP should want.
(and just for the record, I have not ever purchased a plex for real world money) |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
385
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:55:00 -
[129] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
wow. CCP's dumbask moves don't generally surprise me anymore, but I'm shocked they did this. I understand and agree with making some cheap stuff available, but it should've been new cheap stuff...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8177
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:56:00 -
[130] - Quote
Rikula wrote:CCP making a fool of people that buy plex is not what CCP should want. Good thing that they're not doing that, then.
The people in question got the PLEX they bought and a valuable item on top of that. The OP made a fool of himself by not cashing out early on an item that could only ever decrease in value. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:57:00 -
[131] - Quote
Rikula wrote:Even in bundles like this, people value so-called "freebies". Suppose you were to purchase a bundle of 5 dvd's, which came free with a sixth specific dvd. You don't therefore value the sixth dvd as being zero. You might jump onto ebay, and sell it for maybe half or a quarter of its normal retail price. It still has a value to you and to others, and its price is not zero.
You confuse the terms "value" and "price" here. The price is in fact zero, but no one have ever claimed that the value is zero. Regarding your latest analogy: you are wrong again. The price of the sixth DVD is zero, but the value is indeed higher as he can sell it on eBay. Just as OP could sell his shirt (which had the price tag of zero when he got it in the first place) on "eBay" if he wanted to.
Back to the DVD example: To acquire the sixth DVD, you don't pay a penny. You could always say, "no, I don't want six DVD's, five is enough", but you'd still have to pay the same price as you would have with the sixth one included. In other words: the price is zero. He wouldn't have gotten a discount if he had said no to the extra DVD. Why take it? Well, it's free, and you could possibly make money off it by selling it...
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iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
4
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:12:00 -
[132] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:iskflakes wrote:However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done. Items sold through the NEX. This item was never sold via the NEX... or anywhere else for that matter.
Except, if you've looked recently, it IS on the NEX. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8179
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:15:00 -
[133] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:Except, if you've looked recently, it IS on the NEX. GǪand they haven't changed the price of it in the NeX.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Disdaine
410
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:18:00 -
[134] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Rikula wrote:CCP making a fool of people that buy plex is not what CCP should want. Good thing that they're not doing that, then. The people in question got the PLEX they bought and a valuable item on top of that. The OP made a fool of himself by not cashing out early on an item that could only ever decrease in value.
Because Limited items always decrease in value.
Go have a look at the price history in market.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8179
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:20:00 -
[135] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Because Limited items always decrease in value. No, because indestructible items with a fixed price can never increase in value GÇö they cannot become scarce and if the price increase, people will just go to the source and buy them from there.
Oh, and the shirt was not a GÇ£limited itemGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:23:00 -
[136] - Quote
Sidious Lord wrote: You confuse the terms "value" and "price" here.
You may be right in a certain context that I "confused" these terms. But my overall point is correct, and I don't think that your point is helpful. Tippia said:
Tippia wrote:GǪnot to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public.
Well, price is relative to a particular offer. Suppose that someone has purchased the 13 plex offer and put the shirt on market for 100mil. While the offer is live, it has a price of $0 (though no-one can truly part out no money and get the shirt) AND a price of 100 mil = ~0.2 plex = ~$3, depending on context. Of course, no one could choose to pay $0 over $3 - they have to get a bundle.
After offer expires, with scarcity and demand, the shirt sells for around 2bil (with buy orders lower). Relative to those sellers, the price is 2bil = ~4 plex = ~$60. When CCP reintroduced it for the low price of 500 aurum, it then has a price of maybe $2 or 70 mil.
But again, prices are relative to contexts. So I don't see how that distinction is helpful. Even *if* we assume that the price was free in the initial offer, it is STILL true that prices went down after patch compared to pre-patch. |
Disdaine
410
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:26:00 -
[137] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Disdaine wrote:Because Limited items always decrease in value. No, because indestructible items with a fixed price can never increase in value GÇö they cannot become scarce and if the price increase, people will just go to the source and buy them from there. Oh, and the shirt was not a GÇ£limited itemGÇ¥.
Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited.
This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months.
Maybe that price rise had something to do with the fact that people just couldn't go to the source and buy from there, hence making the item limited.
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Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:27:00 -
[138] - Quote
And I want to remind that some things have definitely been added wrongly to the NEX, devaluing investment. Given that 4 items (by my count) were in error added, it is not a stretch to suppose that the ishukone and the red/black executor coats were also wrongly added.
Edit: It seems the duplicates have now been removed, but the damage has been more than done. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
488
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:28:00 -
[139] - Quote
Risky investments sometimes don't work out like they ought to.
Should have gone with Bitcoins, mayne. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
705
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:28:00 -
[140] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8184
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:33:00 -
[141] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited. GǪaside from there being nothing to suggest that it wouldn't reappear from other sources, since it wasn't labelled as a limited item.
Quote:This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months. Yes, people investing foolishly in a non-limited item will do that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Disdaine
410
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:49:00 -
[142] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Disdaine wrote:Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited. GǪaside from there being nothing to suggest that it wouldn't reappear from other sources, since it wasn't labelled as a limited item. Quote:This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months. Yes, people investing foolishly in a non-limited item will do that.
Except for the past six months it was limited wasn't it.
Maybe I should go and make a video to help you understand.
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Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:51:00 -
[143] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Tippia wrote:Disdaine wrote:Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited. GǪaside from there being nothing to suggest that it wouldn't reappear from other sources, since it wasn't labelled as a limited item. Quote:This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months. Yes, people investing foolishly in a non-limited item will do that. Except for the past six months it was limited wasn't it. Maybe I should go and make a video to help you understand.
And the fact that "special edition" is a poor choice of name for something that is clearly no longer special in any reasonable sense of the word. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2101
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:51:00 -
[144] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:iskflakes wrote:However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done. Items sold through the NEX. This item was never sold via the NEX... or anywhere else for that matter. Except, if you've looked recently, it IS on the NEX.
That shirt did not already exist on the NEX, which is specifically what they were talking about.
Selective quoting isn't going to help your argument. Let me refresh your memory.
Quote:Existing items from before June 19th will remain in the store, for now, at the current prices so that we donGÇÖt devalue the investment that some players have already made.
Underlined the pertinent part, which clearly shows they are talking about items previously sold in the NEX. Note that there is no guarantee that items previously sold at higher price points in the NEX will continue to be sold thru the NEX or may possibly be brought into line with other similar clothing items eventually.
Your free Special Edition shirt you got for purchasing 13 PLEX was never sold on the NEX and is not what they were discussing.
In fact, it has never previously been sold by CCP at any price, only on the open player driven market for whatever the market would bear.
No limited edition, no promises made regarding it what so ever.
I'm sorry you missed your opportunity to profit, but frankly you blew it. Thankfully, you haven't lost any money on your blunder, you received full value in the PLEX that you purchased, and your free gift is still worth at least a little. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Disdaine
410
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:55:00 -
[145] - Quote
Quote:Since the middle of 2011 we have had nearly 200 items of unreleased clothing sat in the EVE client waiting to be used.
Nekminnit.
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Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
35
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:56:00 -
[146] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
You also bought a monocle. Your argument is invalid. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8186
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:58:00 -
[147] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Except for the past six months it was limited wasn't it. GǪand the store on the corner ran out of tea biscuits the other day. I suppose that made them GǣlimitedGǥ as well.
Rikula wrote:And the fact that "special edition" is a poor choice of name for something that is clearly no longer special in any reasonable sense of the word. Again, I have the special edition of Aliens right here in my book shelf, much like pretty much everyone I know. Come to think of it, what is the item actually calledGǪ? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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SamedySam
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:09:00 -
[148] - Quote
Laughing so damn hard at OP right now. |
Disdaine
410
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:13:00 -
[149] - Quote
Tippia wrote:]GǪand the store on the corner ran out of tea biscuits the other day. I suppose that made them GǣlimitedGǥ as well.
Now you're being facetious. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1193
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:15:00 -
[150] - Quote
people are arguing about dumb crap they buy to play dress-up with their ~eve toonies~
lol a rogue goon |
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ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
712
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:16:00 -
[151] - Quote
Someones mad I got the shirt this morning for a bargin 500 AUR which I had left over from the 'EVE is real' thing I just gotta go fast! |
Lenier Chenal
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
16
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:22:00 -
[152] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
Jesus **** you're an idiot. I agree with you completely, but you're an idiot for buying a shirt for 13 plex. |
Steam Cat
The Skunkworks
7
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:23:00 -
[153] - Quote
In the end though you approve of CCP's handling of it because guess what, you're still paying for the game. If you disapprove there are plenty of alternatives out there. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8187
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:24:00 -
[154] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Now you're being facetious. No, just applying the logic being used. I could admit to it being a bit of a reductio ad absurdum, though.
Quote:It's funny though watching you operate. Anything that doesn't bother you and you're quite the contrarian. UI changes and it's time to make a video complete with emasculated voice. Not quite. If it doesn't bother me, I consider the argument, and if it's crap, I poke (even larger) holes in it. If it's a good one, I will consider agreeing with it instead. If something visual changes and it becomes apparent that it will not let itself be explained without visual demonstration, then video is a good choice.
Quote:I would've thought you'd be too busy complaining about more items available for aurum that are destroying player run industry and killing the game to be posting here. I wrote half a thesis on that a year ago. Nothing has changed since so there's no reason to write any more about it. At least they finally got the pricing right, so if nothing else they're faceplanting in the right direction. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:26:00 -
[155] - Quote
Lenier Chenal wrote:
Jesus **** you're an idiot. I agree with you completely, but you're an idiot for buying a shirt for 13 plex.
He didn't. He bought 13 plex and got a free shirt.
Now he's whining about it.
But the way he's whining you'd think he did actually pay 13 plex. |
Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:41:00 -
[156] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Rikula wrote:And the fact that "special edition" is a poor choice of name for something that is clearly no longer special in any reasonable sense of the word. Again, I have the special edition of Aliens right here in my book shelf, much like pretty much everyone I know. Come to think of it, what is the item actually calledGǪ?
Why was your "special edition of Aliens" called a special edition? Is that reason the same reason the Ishukone shirt was called "special edition"? What would a potential customer of the 13xplex deal think the "special edition" might reasonably mean? Was the wording of the offer targetting collectors?
And even *if* this wasn't at all deceptive, I don't see why you are siding against the OP. EVE is, in my opinion, a better place for the having of limited and rare items. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1367
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:43:00 -
[157] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:people are arguing about dumb crap they buy to play dress-up with their ~eve toonies~
lol i have chronicled this space-shaking incident
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Antiquarian_%28Character%29#Eifyr_.26_Co._Assessment |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8187
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:48:00 -
[158] - Quote
Rikula wrote:Why was your "special edition of Aliens" called a special edition? Yes. This separates it from the theatrical release and the DC (both in the cut and in the extras).
Quote:Is that reason the same reason the Ishukone shirt was called "special edition"? Yup: it wasn't the same colour as the normal shirt.
Quote:What would a potential customer of the 13xplex deal think the "special edition" might reasonably mean? That it was different from the normal shirt.
Quote:Was the wording of the offer targetting collectors? Can't tell, since no-one has been able to produce the original offer.
Quote:And even *if* this wasn't at all deceptive, I don't see why you are siding against the OP. I'm siding against the OP because he's being silly by complaining about the availability of something he got for free.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:55:00 -
[159] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Rikula wrote:Why was your "special edition of Aliens" called a special edition? Yes. This separates it from the theatrical release and the DC (both in the cut and in the extras).
Please reread my post. To a "why" question, the answer is almost never 'Yes' or 'No'.
And for the record, ALL the clothes items of the same sort differ from each other only in colour. So again, this does NOT make the Ishukone "special". It makes it the same as everything else. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8187
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:10:00 -
[160] - Quote
Rikula wrote:Please reread my post. Whatever. The answer remains the same.
Quote:And for the record, ALL the clothes items of the same sort differ from each other only in colour. So again, this does NOT make the Ishukone "special". It makes it the same as everything else. No, it makes it special in the same way as every other special edition: by not being like the normal model(s).
Anyway, the questions remain: what's the actual item called, and what was actually said in the original offer? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Diablo Ex
Red-Five
48
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:28:00 -
[161] - Quote
The OP is Special.... Very Special. It takes an Exotic, very rare variety of person to do this...
Did you save your receipt? If so, I suggest scan it, put it in a picture frame with your portrait, and post it for everyone. Step into the spotlight, you have earned it. Glory in your accomplishment! You my friend will live in EvE History as the "13 Plex Shirt Guy", right next to the 72 Plex Kestrel Pilot.
You deserve every moment. PRO SYNERGY - We salvage and process the loot, and pay YOU for it. Proven methodology, weekly payout, great attitude. - join game channel "Pro Synergy" for details. http://sites.google.com/site/prospersynergy/ |
Rikula
Opur
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:34:00 -
[162] - Quote
Ok, I think at this point my point has been clearly made, but for some reason you still want to disagree with me. I don't know why, but if you're just going to say "the answer remains the same", I suspect you want to leave it at that. And so I will say: you have failed to give even a plausible way in which it is a "special edition" as opposed to "just like every other item". According to your reasoning, I'd need to think that ALL the new NEX items are "special editions", since they all differ in colour from the "normal" (and I'd be interested to know which item you consider to be the "normal" one). Perhaps they are special in just the same way that our mum always tells us we are "special". That is, "special" like everyone else.
I agree with you in one regard though - the wording of the original offer would be important. My attempts to google and find it have failed. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
229
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:52:00 -
[163] - Quote
Protip: CCP hates work. Hates it. Absolutely avoids it at all costs.
They aren't going to keep something unique if they can release it X months later rather than lifting a finger. |
Space Mitt Romney
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:55:00 -
[164] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
I'd think you were crazy if you spent 200$ on a REAL shirt.......... |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:03:00 -
[165] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Funny how it wasn't obvious for you that this will happen.
Do you also go into a shop for computer parts, buy the new and overpriced stuff and then complain a month later because it's worth only half anymore ?
*shakeshead*
You are not special. You never were. You have the same value as everybody else. None.
You bought it for reasons you probably don't even understand yourself and now you're complaining about not being part of a small "special" group anymore.
RealityCheck:
You never were special. You never will be special.
You didn't even see it coming. You fell for the oldest trick in the book.
It was obvious.
Blame yourself.
Damn bruh, tell us how you really feel.
Seriously, all this reminds me of the SOCOM Map debacle...way back during the SOCOM II era, Playstation Magazine did a three issue series that had each issue sporting a disc with a new SOCOM map on it. There was no other way to get the map, you had to buy the three issues to get it. Now, if memory serves correctly, each issue was $7, bring ing the total to $21.
A month or so later, they released all three maps on one disc in the PSM for $7.
Fast forward to about 2007 and SOCOM:Combined Assault...once more, they released three map packs, each one containing three maps. I'm a bit hazy on this one, but I think each pack was $9-10. Jump forward a few months, to when they went and re-released all three map packs again...for free.
In other word's I spent nearly $50 buying something that would be free down the road. Now, it was this little debacle that taught me that when a game developer is releasing something that is going to cost a pretty penny, you damn well better run in the other direction.
$230 worth of PLEX for a virtual shirt...wow. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Joe Everyguy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:04:00 -
[166] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
Really? Sweet, going to go get me one right now.
Oh, and OP got hosed. Hard. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:17:00 -
[167] - Quote
Joe Everyguy wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
Really? Sweet, going to go get me one right now. Oh, and OP got hosed. Hard.
I think F'd in the A is far more a fitting way to say it.
Did Hilmar kiss you on the back of the neck at least? A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Gul'gotha Derv'ash
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Li3 Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.06.26 11:44:00 -
[168] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt... GǪnot to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public.
Ah I was taking the poster at his word that it was worth 1b or so. |
Janty Hilanen
Bio-Tech Research Luna Sanguinem
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 12:07:00 -
[169] - Quote
I think its a silly move by CCP. Certainly others will think twice in regards to purchasing items at the higher end of the spectrum.
If you purchase a product like mentioned Mercedez, if they depreciate the car themselves by a factor of 100,000 by reducing the price then naturally consumers are going to be angry. Tangible or virtual, the same could be said about software which is purchased on your PC.
If a games company sold all their games at -ú40 and then after 3-6 months reduced the price to 4p, customers will think why should I purchase at the higher price initially, i'll wait till the price is reduced. So by decreasing the price they decrease future initial demand for products. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
1017
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Posted - 2012.06.26 12:30:00 -
[170] - Quote
I support the Antiquarian in this case. And he is literally THE antiquarian in EVE.
CCP you messed up. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.06.26 12:44:00 -
[171] - Quote
im starting to see this sort of thing in a lot of games.
i have to wonder if we are not giving enough to support PC game devs. they actually have to do this stuff, i think, especially in todays economy. I do know that there is more money in console gaming, so i think people should not be so harsh to the op, because, without that sort of investment from PC gamers, i think the money would have to come from the general playerbase or elsewhere. rather than laugh at those who wish for cosmetic differences for a bit of real money investment. you should really support him in this because they (game developers) should hold their end of the bargain on exclusive "money injection" payments like that. its not like its pay to win (the shirt, not the plex), so thats why exclusive vanity items should be kept exclusive. their value is in their vanity.
as a gaming consumer myself, i have made a few mistakes, mostly pre order mistakes, for that snazzy pre order item. i wish i could take it back and have saved the money or that things were more of an official stance than vague small print that you never know if they will devalue your item too soon. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
361
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Posted - 2012.06.26 12:44:00 -
[172] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:I support the Antiquarian in this case. And he is literally THE antiquarian in EVE.
CCP you messed up.
Hardly a surprise really. It's pretty much par for the course though now with most things on the internet, they try and rake in as much cash as possible for items that are supposed to be limited in availability then throw them out for much less, even for free, at a later date.
I would never touch an offer like this with a 10 foot barge pole, they just stink to high heaven and should be avoided at all costs. Especially for something like a virtual shirt. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2012.06.26 12:55:00 -
[173] - Quote
Janty Hilanen wrote:I think its a silly move by CCP. Certainly others will think twice in regards to purchasing items at the higher end of the spectrum.
But he didnt purchase the damn shirt. He purchased PLEX which he changed into ISK.
He got the shirt for FREE !!!!
He still got the PLEX !!!!
He's not whining about 200 bucks. He's whining because he neglected to sell his free shirt for ISK before CCP released it on the store and ended his "investment".
As has been explained to him for the last 8 pages ...
- He's an idiot for not selling the ~shirt~ when he had the chance
- He still got the PLEX. What F**** is he complaining about
Its hilarious |
Rikula
Opur
3
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:04:00 -
[174] - Quote
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:Janty Hilanen wrote:I think its a silly move by CCP. Certainly others will think twice in regards to purchasing items at the higher end of the spectrum. But he didnt purchase the damn shirt. He purchased PLEX which he changed into ISK. He got the shirt for FREE !!!! He still got the PLEX !!!! He's not whining about 200 bucks. He's whining because he neglected to sell his free shirt for ISK before CCP released it on the store and ended his "investment". As has been explained to him for the last 8 pages ...
- He's an idiot for not selling the ~shirt~ when he had the chance
- He still got the PLEX. What F**** is he complaining about
Its hilarious
You should be *supporting* the OP. EVE is a better place if there are some special things like this.
And he did not get the shirt for FREE. He had to buy 13x plex to obtain it - in return, he got 13x plex and the shirt. The plex surely had value to him, but as he said he would not have purchased them without the shirt as part of the offer. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
101
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:03:00 -
[175] - Quote
An items "worth" is determined by how much customers are willing to pay. While your OP does bring in some sympathy, such is the nature of any item, especially eye-candy only items.
This "uncertainty" you speak of is actually a factor for the price. |
M'nu
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:17:00 -
[176] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:hahahaha get owned hahaha yes still continue to talk like a 15-year old middle school drop-out. I like all your personal insults have something to do with school. Can you characterize me as a "dirty drunk sorority ****" next? No. I never belittle anyone until I get insulted. Everyone has different styles of insulting others. Oh and personally... because I am sick of all these "childish internet talks."
GET OFF MY LAWN! |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
181
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:22:00 -
[177] - Quote
can we all go pod the op? i would like to hunt him down just for the lulz.
but yea, the op story does suck. |
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos En Garde
13
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:27:00 -
[178] - Quote
you got a deal on a pile of plexs with a freebie thrown in get over it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2109
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:30:00 -
[179] - Quote
Rikula wrote:Ok, I think at this point my point has been clearly made, but for some reason you still want to disagree with me. I don't know why, but if you're just going to say "the answer remains the same", I suspect you want to leave it at that. And so I will say: you have failed to give even a plausible way in which it is a "special edition" as opposed to "just like every other item". According to your reasoning, I'd need to think that ALL the new NEX items are "special editions", since they all differ in colour from the "normal" (and I'd be interested to know which item you consider to be the "normal" one). Perhaps they are special in just the same way that our mum always tells us we are "special". That is, "special" like everyone else.
I agree with you in one regard though - the wording of the original offer would be important. My attempts to google and find it have failed.
So you buy a Blue Ray player on sale, which also has a "Special Edition" Aliens disk thrown in to sweeten the deal.
Are you outraged when you see that same disc for sale seperately later?
No?
Imagine that. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1647
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:37:00 -
[180] - Quote
didn't the EvE client cost like 40-50 bucks at launch?
now it's free "You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |
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Morgorathi
Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz
7
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:38:00 -
[181] - Quote
I feel for you OP
I blew $270 AUD on Cryptic points to get a Jem'hadar Attack ship. I didn't get it.. in fact it had such a low loot chance from boxs that you had to spend roughly $420 AUD to get a decent shot at it.
I didn't get reimbursed nor reparations.
I suggest you should learn from your mistake, do not assume everything "unique"(with a few exceptions) is truly unique ESPECIALLY when it comes to novelty items, cosmetics and other useless crap in games. I mean sure I WANT that monocle but am I going to blow $XX on it, Of course not, I have better things to spend my money on. Like ****, alcohol, bacon and women who like being payed for at restaurants. |
browniesftw
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
4
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:49:00 -
[182] - Quote
so why didn't you buy the plex with isk or just the shirt with isk? |
Morgorathi
Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz
7
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Posted - 2012.06.26 14:55:00 -
[183] - Quote
I think the grand irony of this thread is that OP
Is wearing RMT Monocle, RMT Coat but not the $200 RMT "SPECIAL EDITION" shirt. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:01:00 -
[184] - Quote
Reech Yvormes wrote:im starting to see this sort of thing in a lot of games.
i have to wonder if we are not giving enough to support PC game devs. they actually have to do this stuff, i think, especially in todays economy. I do know that there is more money in console gaming, so i think people should not be so harsh to the op, because, without that sort of investment from PC gamers, i think the money would have to come from the general playerbase or elsewhere. rather than laugh at those who wish for cosmetic differences for a bit of real money investment. you should really support him in this because they (game developers) should hold their end of the bargain on exclusive "money injection" payments like that. its not like its pay to win (the shirt, not the plex), so thats why exclusive vanity items should be kept exclusive. their value is in their vanity.
as a gaming consumer myself, i have made a few mistakes, mostly pre order mistakes, for that snazzy pre order item. i wish i could take it back and have saved the money or that things were more of an official stance than vague small print that you never know if they will devalue your item too soon.
Gaming industry in developed countries is the only comercially prolific in these times of economical recession. Don't talk like developers are starving. This post has no sense at all. Also, they are not programming anything, this clothing is designer job. The code they are using for CQ is just a scrap from DUST and they will also use it on WoD. EvE is taking the scraps from CCP. |
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:34:00 -
[185] - Quote
well yeah i should have added that they atleast have to deliver the standard service, that part i dont disagree on, i am more speaking from a standpoint of selling vanity alongside a decent standard service. i wasnt really thinking of CCP when i wrote that, but PC gaming devs in general and vanity items..
its well known though that PC gamers spend a lot less money than console gamers because there is less of us and more of them. |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.06.26 15:38:00 -
[186] - Quote
Robert Warner wrote:You were treated like " ***** and dingleberries" the moment you spent the equivalent of $200 on a virtual T-shirt, so why come to the forums complaining about it a year later?
let me fix this for you
"You BECAME a dumbfuck dingleberry the moment you spent the equivalent of $200 on a virtual T-shirt, so why come to the forums complaining about it a year later?" I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 16:25:00 -
[187] - Quote
Reech Yvormes wrote:well yeah i should have added that they atleast have to deliver the standard service, that part i dont disagree on, i am more speaking from a standpoint of selling vanity alongside a decent standard service. i wasnt really thinking of CCP when i wrote that, but PC gaming devs in general and vanity items..
its well known though that PC gamers spend a lot less money than console gamers because there is less of us and more of them.
It's a crappy service because it's a crappy feature. I play videogames since Atari was launched and only now this restricting content crap is on. It used to be that you acessed content through gaming only. This RMT **** is destroying creative videogame development. People don't have to play to acess content anymore so they don't care as long as they can have what they want NOW, because they payed for it. As an example the OPs behaviour on the first post. EvE used to be a bastion as a commercially sucessful independent game, now it's going on the same way to become a slot machine like other contemporary games because of overgrown babies like him.
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Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:21:00 -
[188] - Quote
There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.
So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
7
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:23:00 -
[189] - Quote
Something needs to be done about this. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:32:00 -
[190] - Quote
Panacani wrote:There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.
So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe.
This thread is ridiculous and OP is too. He doesn't give a **** about the game, he just wanted an saving account for his 'investment' in the form of a digital shirt. |
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Redbullcity Stetille
The Craniac The Aurora Shadow
1
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:36:00 -
[191] - Quote
OP has a point, with antics like this, any incentive towards future promotional offers would go down substantially. I feel bad for you OP, and I hope CCP compensates for it somehow. And CCP, it was a bad marketing move in my opinion, as it is, people hesitate to spend so much on virtual stuff and seems like those who do are ridiculed by many, as we have seen in this thread and you only gave them a good reason to do so. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:37:00 -
[192] - Quote
A fool and his money are easily parted.... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2111
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:07:00 -
[193] - Quote
Panacani wrote:There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.
So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe.
There was no "limited edition" shirt. You, like many others, are confusing Special Edition with Limited Edition. They are not the same thing.
A bonus can of soda on a $200 sale is still a bonus can of soda. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
154
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:09:00 -
[194] - Quote
Dude, you spent real money on an imaginary space shirt |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
77
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:29:00 -
[195] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.
Funniest post of the year. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1521
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Posted - 2012.06.26 18:36:00 -
[196] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Panacani wrote:There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.
So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe. There was no "limited edition" shirt. You, like many others, are confusing Special Edition with Limited Edition. They are not the same thing. A bonus can of soda on a $200 sale is still a bonus can of soda.
Semantics aside, it's poor judgement on CCPs part to give the impression that you are receiving something heretofore unreleased and thus a gift not unlike the Quaffe shirts and ships. This was not a slip. Marketing departments don't slip up. It was a well thought out obfuscation of the truth so as to get people to buy a large number of PLEXes that they otherwise might not have.
It's SOP in the business but nonetheless dishonest in my opinion. And with the blow-back from this debacle, it's only going to hurt CCP's chances of slipping it by us the next time. They have effectively neutered themselves.
But mostly I quoted you just to say I like your new look. I think it suits.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Reloadin
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:14:00 -
[197] - Quote
And to think I thought I'd got a bargain picking this shirt up for 480m when I saw it going for over a bil a few months later.
So when are we going to see other supposedly limited items available? Red and blue quafe shirts? Green and gold esquire coat? Tournament ships?
What new gimmicks / marketing shams will you come up with to sell plex / collectors editions in the future? |
Joe Skellington
Sarz'na Khumatari
66
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:17:00 -
[198] - Quote
500 Aur, not bad. Thanks for the tip bro. Please note that ASCII art is not permitted in the forum signatures. Spitfire |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2112
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:17:00 -
[199] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Panacani wrote:There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.
So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe. There was no "limited edition" shirt. You, like many others, are confusing Special Edition with Limited Edition. They are not the same thing. A bonus can of soda on a $200 sale is still a bonus can of soda. Semantics aside, it's poor judgement on CCPs part to give the impression that you are receiving something heretofore unreleased and thus a gift not unlike the Quaffe shirts and ships. This was not a slip. Marketing departments don't slip up. It was a well thought out obfuscation of the truth so as to get people to buy a large number of PLEXes that they otherwise might not have. It's SOP in the business but nonetheless dishonest in my opinion. And with the blow-back from this debacle, it's only going to hurt CCP's chances of slipping it by us the next time. They have effectively neutered themselves. But mostly I quoted you just to say I like your new look. I think it suits. Mr Epeen
Thank you good sir.
Advertising speak is always full of attention getting phrases that don't always mean what you assume they mean at first blush, I readily admit that.
Many is the time I see a "Special Edition" item thrown in as part of some deal, leaving the buyer to assume what they will. My general rule of thumb is simply "If it doesn't say specifically that only a set number will ever be made, don['t assume that this is the case".
It's been a long time since I really got into collecting anything in particular, in my case I used to collect limited edtion and/or custom blades of various types, but even though you would think that type of collection/investment would be cut and dried I still had to be a bit careful. In that hobby (like many others), "Special Edition" items were a dime a dozen, and the only items that had a high likelyhood of going up in value were sequentially numbered Limited Editions with a certificate stating that the item would never be reproduced.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 19:49:00 -
[200] - Quote
Reloadin wrote:And to think I thought I'd got a bargain picking this shirt up for 480m when I saw it going for over a bil a few months later.
So when are we going to see other supposedly limited items available? Red and blue quafe shirts? Green and gold esquire coat? Tournament ships?
What new gimmicks / marketing shams will you come up with to sell plex / collectors editions in the future?
Try 'unique' ships 're-issued' and given as gifts of choice at last CCP's birthday: Primae, Echelon, Zephyr and Apotheosis. All useless, but even so, more useful than this ******* shirt. |
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Dirk Culliford
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.26 21:04:00 -
[201] - Quote
So, OP, from your own post said shirt was worth 1.2b. You could therefore have acquired it for 3 plex, with some isk left over.
Either
- You actually kind of wanted 13 plex anyway, which shoots down your own argument of "I only bought them for the shirt"
or
- You failed at economics lesson 1
This point is unrelated to the other valid points already presented relating to whining about the free toy that came in your cereal when all you paid for was cereal. |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
32
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Posted - 2012.06.26 21:14:00 -
[202] - Quote
Dirk Culliford wrote:So, OP, from your own post said shirt was worth 1.2b. You could therefore have acquired it for 3 plex, with some isk left over.
Either
- You actually kind of wanted 13 plex anyway, which shoots down your own argument of "I only bought them for the shirt"
or
- You failed at economics lesson 1
This point is unrelated to the other valid points already presented relating to whining about the free toy that came in your cereal when all you paid for was cereal.
This is exactly what I don't get either. People buying stuff in EVE based only off it's value as dictated by the items rarity and high AUR price. It is as if CCP were to make virtual gold bars which couldn't be used for manufacturing or anything else. I was a bit hesitant in paying 400m on the red/gold Executor which was competitive with the old retail 3000 AUR priced Sterlings, but decided to buy it since that is about the top of what I would pay for something I would wear. The monocle on the other hand looks tacky and is above my current budget so it remains the only (not counting the new FW stuff) item that I don't own. |
Flakey Foont
166
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Posted - 2012.06.26 21:18:00 -
[203] - Quote
I bought a jackalope and now my friend has one! |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
104
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:12:00 -
[204] - Quote
OP, you better sell your monocle(s) before CCP
1) introduced identical left/gold monocle as either 500AUR NeX item or
2) made right/gold monocle not-so-rare drop from NPCs or
3) made both monocles craftable with ~ 0 ISK cost.
Because it is clear this is not last time CCP messed with NeX and avatars. |
Reloadin
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:32:00 -
[205] - Quote
Lipbite wrote:OP, you better sell your monocle(s) before CCP
1) introduced identical left/gold monocle as either 500AUR NeX item or
2) made right/gold monocle not-so-rare drop from NPCs or
3) made both monocles craftable with ~ 0 ISK cost.
Because it is clear this is not last time CCP messed with NeX and avatars.
Yes, anyone with a monocle or any other older clothing should sell it while you can still get something for it.
Quote: Existing items from before June 19th will remain in the store, for now, at the current prices
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8235
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:36:00 -
[206] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Semantics aside, it's poor judgement on CCPs part to give the impression that you are receiving something heretofore unreleased and thus a gift not unlike the Quaffe shirts and ships. To be fair, it was true at the time. The entire problem is that the OP assumed it would remain unreleased afterwards as well even though nothing of the kind was ever mentioned. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:39:00 -
[207] - Quote
50 cents each?
1 PLEX costs $20. 1 PLEX converts to 3,500 AUR. 1 Ishukone shirt costs 500 AUR.
So, the shirt has a value of 1/7 of $20, or approximately $2.86. It's clearly worth over 5 times your 50-cent valuation.
Also, you fail at math. |
Rikula
Opur
3
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Posted - 2012.06.27 03:27:00 -
[208] - Quote
Lipbite wrote:OP, you better sell your monocle(s) before CCP
1) introduced identical left/gold monocle as either 500AUR NeX item or
2) made right/gold monocle not-so-rare drop from NPCs or
3) made both monocles craftable with ~ 0 ISK cost.
Because it is clear this is not last time CCP messed with NeX and avatars.
If this is the correct take-home message from this situation, then it has another corollary: Don't spend aurum or ISK on clothing items where you require some trust from CCP to respect the value of the item.
Which for many people will mean, don't spend aurum or ISK on clothing items.
And I really think that's not the message CCP should be sending. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
754
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Posted - 2012.06.27 03:48:00 -
[209] - Quote
Reloadin wrote:Lipbite wrote:OP, you better sell your monocle(s) before CCP
1) introduced identical left/gold monocle as either 500AUR NeX item or
2) made right/gold monocle not-so-rare drop from NPCs or
3) made both monocles craftable with ~ 0 ISK cost.
Because it is clear this is not last time CCP messed with NeX and avatars. Yes, anyone with a monocle or any other older clothing should sell it while you can still get something for it. Quote: Existing items from before June 19th will remain in the store, for now, at the current prices
I hear some people figured out how to use stupidly expensive monocles and then sell them, prior to it being nerfed. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |
Poetic Stanziel
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
932
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Posted - 2012.06.27 03:52:00 -
[210] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.
You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.
But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?
CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!
CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.
Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase. What? You're mad because you wanted to pay $230 for a pixel shirt, and in the end only had to pay $0.50?
There's no end to the ridiculous rage some people have.
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
386
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Posted - 2012.06.27 06:16:00 -
[211] - Quote
Dirk Culliford wrote:So, OP, from your own post said shirt was worth 1.2b. You could therefore have acquired it for 3 plex, with some isk left over.
Either
- You actually kind of wanted 13 plex anyway, which shoots down your own argument of "I only bought them for the shirt"
or
- You failed at economics lesson 1
This point is unrelated to the other valid points already presented relating to whining about the free toy that came in your cereal when all you paid for was cereal.
Obviously you have not examined the initial offer proposed by the great CCP marketing department. When it held the special sale of 13 X Plex for the shirt promotion, it made it sound as if the purchase of the 13 x PLEX was the only viable venue for anyone to obtain the shirt. Similar to the Interbus Shuttle handed out along with the actual copy of the EVE Online client, I figured it would make a terrific investment and a sound collectible.
If more people purchased 13 X PLEXs and the price of the shirt decreased due to the increase in the supply, I have no grudge against it. But the problem here is that CCP "artificially" increased the supply of the Ishukone Special Edition Shirt, thereby, making the initial investment worthless. There are also those who purchase the shirt for 1.1B-1.4B with logical expectation that under no circumstances, would CCP make a direct interference on the market.
CCP nerfs and do funny stuff in the market often times. They might change the venue of rare ores and have the prices increase by 10%~50% and vice versa. But as for the ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT, CCP, without any warning, lowered the market price from 1.1B-1.4B to 0.001B in a matter of 3 seconds.
You claim that I failed Economics 101? Having collected rare items for the past several years, I assure you that i have increased my net worth MANY TIMES over whatever meager amount you have. This is not the failure or the lack of my economics knowledge. It is the failure of the CCP to provide a clear explanation prior to making market disruptions.
Trust me, if CCP said these shirts will be available for meager $0.50 cents, I wouldn't have bothered with purchasing 13 X PLEXs. |
Soldarius
TreadStone Standard The 99 Percent
250
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:27:00 -
[212] - Quote
My tear cup overfloweth.
Someday I'm going to make a toon, who's one and only job is to collect tears and display them in some sort of museum or Hall of Fame. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1008
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:29:00 -
[213] - Quote
The PLEX bought several months ago still have the same monetary value.
The virtual shirt that was free several months ago is now worth 50c.
If you have a problem with that, then don't spend RL cash on non-existent items. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Dirk Culliford
Aliastra Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:40:00 -
[214] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Dirk Culliford wrote:So, OP, from your own post said shirt was worth 1.2b. You could therefore have acquired it for 3 plex, with some isk left over.
Either
- You actually kind of wanted 13 plex anyway, which shoots down your own argument of "I only bought them for the shirt"
or
- You failed at economics lesson 1
This point is unrelated to the other valid points already presented relating to whining about the free toy that came in your cereal when all you paid for was cereal. Obviously you have not examined the initial offer proposed by the great CCP marketing department. When it held the special sale of 13 X Plex for the shirt promotion, it made it sound as if the purchase of the 13 x PLEX was the only viable venue for anyone to obtain the shirt. Similar to the Interbus Shuttle handed out along with the actual copy of the EVE Online client, I figured it would make a terrific investment and a sound collectible. If more people purchased 13 X PLEXs and the price of the shirt decreased due to the increase in the supply, I have no grudge against it. But the problem here is that CCP "artificially" increased the supply of the Ishukone Special Edition Shirt, thereby, making the initial investment worthless. There are also those who purchase the shirt for 1.1B-1.4B with logical expectation that under no circumstances, would CCP make a direct interference on the market. CCP nerfs and do funny stuff in the market often times. They might change the venue of rare ores and have the prices increase by 10%~50% and vice versa. But as for the ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT, CCP, without any warning, lowered the market price from 1.1B-1.4B to 0.001B in a matter of 3 seconds. You claim that I failed Economics 101? Having collected rare items for the past several years, I assure you that i have increased my net worth MANY TIMES over whatever meager amount you have. This is not the failure or the lack of my economics knowledge. It is the failure of the CCP to provide a clear explanation prior to making market disruptions. Trust me, if CCP said these shirts will be available for meager $0.50 cents, I wouldn't have bothered with purchasing 13 X PLEXs.
I however have $260 that you don't have |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
436
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Posted - 2012.06.27 07:51:00 -
[215] - Quote
All Unique Items becomes obsolete after time.
You were special for while in your own eyes. I got one when it was first released, since even before it was sold with 13 plexes, you could buy it on the Aurum store for 1.2 Billion isk if you have the Isk and I had the saved up Aurum to do so.
Mine costed me nothing, months before you bought yours for 13 plexes. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
203
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Posted - 2012.06.27 08:23:00 -
[216] - Quote
My biggest concern is when CCP will give us hats. Compared to other vanity items hats can actually be seen on a players portrait. CCP please give us hats.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Morgorathi
Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz
9
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Posted - 2012.06.27 08:26:00 -
[217] - Quote
Pinky Feldman wrote:My biggest concern is when CCP will give us hats. Compared to other vanity items hats can actually be seen on a players portrait. CCP please give us hats.
OH GOD YES HATS! AND WHEN YOU RELEASE THEM PROMOTIONAL TF2 HATS AS WELL OH GOD GIVE ME MORE HATS! |
Soldarius
TreadStone Standard The 99 Percent
250
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Posted - 2012.06.27 08:31:00 -
[218] - Quote
My first inclination was to rage and get forum banned. Instead... I'll just drop a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:08:00 -
[219] - Quote
I'm with the OP on this, there has to be some level of belief in the value of stuff in the game, when some of you nubs are faced with buying a Titan then you're gonna pray that they never give them out like Rifters!
I'm wondering if this is a new 'accidental' CCP Isk sink? If so what could be next? I'd suggest keeping any real cash out of the game if they're gonna act like a corrupt third world treasury.
I put a similiar concern regarding the shirt on the marketing forums:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=125876&find=unread |
Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:18:00 -
[220] - Quote
Does anyone else find it deeply amusing that in a game where people regularly mislead each other, sometimes by being completely honest and allowing the other party to assume in the blanks, an individual is upset the creator of it might be doing the same?
What I'd like to see, if solid proof that you had any guarentee of anything. |
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Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:14:00 -
[221] - Quote
Tobias Durandal wrote:What I'd like to see, if solid proof that you had any guarentee of anything. There was no guarantee. There is also no guarantee that someone in Iceland will seed Jove ships for 1 ISK on the market. But there's a certain likelihood that it won't happen. This likelihood was betrayed.
To make it clear: I like diversity when it comes to creating and customising your avatar. I don't generally disagree with cheap NeX items. But a massive devaluation of an investment (either ISK or real world currency) shouldn't happen like this. There was no need for it. Even a small modification could do.
My suggestion would be to modify the new version retrospectively. Change the colours or whatever. It's a virtual item after all. Should be possible.
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Tobias Durandal
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:19:00 -
[222] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Tobias Durandal wrote:What I'd like to see, if solid proof that you had any guarentee of anything. There was no guarantee. There is also no guarantee that someone in Iceland will seed Jove ships for 1 ISK on the market. But there's a certain likelihood that it won't happen. This likelihood was betrayed. To make it clear: I like diversity when it comes to creating and customising your avatar. I don't generally disagree with cheap NeX items. But a massive devaluation of an investment (either ISK or real world currency) shouldn't happen like this. There was no need for it. Even a small modification could do. My suggestion would be to modify the new version retrospectively. Change the colours or whatever. It's a virtual item after all. Should be possible.
And here's my suggestion. Before entering into a transaction, perhaps really examine what the terms of it are. That way, there's no surprise to you later down the road. If it wasn't set in stone as a guarentee, odds are? It's not gonna happen. |
Romar Agent
Ishukone Regional Headquarters
62
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:30:00 -
[223] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:... CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH! ... Basically I would suggest to treat any item in the game as nonunique. |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:33:00 -
[224] - Quote
It's about faith not being a lawyer.
Nothing belongs to us legally even our avatars belong to CCP, but industry is a key part of the game from producing to trading, lots of players are drawn to that part of the game and we all have to have faith that certain things in the game are of value and are worth our investment in time, isk, ingenuity or even more seriously real life cash without that trust or if that trust is betrayed then why should any of us bother with a game where everything and anything can suddenly be made worthless? |
Rikula
Opur
4
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Posted - 2012.06.27 10:54:00 -
[225] - Quote
Captain IQ wrote:It's about faith not being a lawyer.
Nothing belongs to us legally even our avatars belong to CCP, but industry is a key part of the game from producing to trading, lots of players are drawn to that part of the game and we all have to have faith that certain things in the game are of value and are worth our investment in time, isk, ingenuity or even more seriously real life cash without that trust or if that trust is betrayed then why should any of us bother with a game where everything and anything can suddenly be made worthless?
This is a big part of what I've been saying. Even if CCP was within their rights to do this, is it something they should have done?
There are plenty of reasons for them to not do it.
Plenty of reasons for them to fix it.
Very few, if any, reasons to do it in the first place and leave it as it is.
Basically it works against their goals of trying to build investment in clothing in terms of aurum or ISK - it's bad for them, and bad for players. And I hope they do address it. |
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
21
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:29:00 -
[226] - Quote
Open a petition to have your unique shirt changed to one that says "I bought 13 PLEX and all I got was this fake T-shirt" |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
646
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:03:00 -
[227] - Quote
I think this is hilarious. Virtual people crying about virtual stuff being worth virtually nothing. Epic. That you fell for this epic troll by CCP makes me a very happy avatar.
Is this not what people have been saying since the first introduction of the NeX, that you'd be a fool for paying so much for virtual stuff? You, Sir, are now the fool. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:30:00 -
[228] - Quote
At least I agree to your signature! I still want school uniforms.
Any comments from CCP yet? I just read a reply in a thread complaining about the Monocles. They said that they're not going to be introduced for a few Aurums. So is this double standard or inadvertence? Or both?
And about buying stuff for 13 plex. It's not just about this. I bought the Women's Executor Coat (red/gold) which was part of a special deal in Russia for around 150.000.000 ISK on the market using buy orders. At the same time the lowest sell order was around 430.000.000 ISK. And it sold. It is not only about buying virtual items for real world currency. But I guess haters will be haters... |
Rikula
Opur
5
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:11:00 -
[229] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: Any comments from CCP yet? I just read a reply in a thread complaining about the Monocles. They said that they're not going to be introduced for a few Aurums. So is this double standard or inadvertence? Or both?
Could you link it please? |
Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:18:00 -
[230] - Quote
So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! |
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Alaura Aquila
Sarz'na Khumatari
7
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:48:00 -
[231] - Quote
Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle!
Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.
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Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:51:00 -
[232] - Quote
Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Is that what this is about?
I can confirm this. It is still a miracle that this threads goes on...
Under new management since 06-06-2012 Forever faithful to the Royal Amarr Institute |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
61
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:07:00 -
[233] - Quote
Investing in anything related to Incarna given the actual development status it has, it's pretty crazy. |
Freezehunter
193
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:41:00 -
[234] - Quote
Don't ***** at CCP because you were ******** enough to buy a monocle for 70 dollars and virtual clothes for 20 dollars each.
Thanks. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:53:00 -
[235] - Quote
Freezehunter wrote:Don't ***** at CCP because you were ******** enough to buy a monocle for 70 dollars and virtual clothes for 20 dollars each.
Thanks.
Completely irrelevant for this thread. Please read thread (or at least the first page) before posting.
Under new management since 06-06-2012 Forever faithful to the Royal Amarr Institute |
Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 15:21:00 -
[236] - Quote
Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.
I started reading this thread, thinking "Dafuq CCP"....
Then I actually did the math |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:09:00 -
[237] - Quote
Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.
Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.
You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.
What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.
As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.
CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again. |
Heldrigan Saken
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:04:00 -
[238] - Quote
Caveat Emptor |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2123
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:49:00 -
[239] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special. Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items. You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP. What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices. As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP. CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.
We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Portifino line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Portifino cigars (value $90.00) for only $79.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase.
6 months later...
We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Petite line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Petite cigars (value $75.00) for only $59.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase.
1 year later...
Due to demand we are pleased to annouce that our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighter emblazoned with the Macanudo logo will now be available for purchase at your local tobacco shop for $14.95.
None of this is unfactual advertising, and is legitimately done every day in just about every industry you can name. Any claims made that they should not be allowed to include their Special Edition lighter (that they often use to sweeten introductory offers) in more than one advertising campaign, or eventually for seperate sale, would be laughed at.
The lighter isn't the "one time offer", it is the sale price on that particular item along with their branded lighter being thrown in addtionally that is the "one time offer".
They could easily run that same offer with as many different lines of their cigars as they like, or on the same line but with a different item (say a branded cigar cutter) thrown in instead.
By the same token, they can sell as many of their Special Edition lighters as they wish. The fact that they have a unique color or logo on them is what makes them a Special Edition, not a limit on how many are going to be made or sold via various methods.
This is exactly the same type of offer that was made that included the shirts in question.
At some point you have to take responsibility as a consumer to actually read what an offer is saying before you accept it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
83
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:53:00 -
[240] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote: . . . many of us were compelled to purchase . . . .
Enticed, not compelled. [quote=The Antiquarian][quote=Alaura Aquila] . . . with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt.
To my knowledge, CCP has not made the same offer (1 shirt with purchase of 13 PLEX) again, so the claim was entirely true.
CEO, Venture Racing Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:55:00 -
[241] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special. Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items. You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP. What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices. As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP. CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning. We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Portifino line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Portifino cigars (value $90.00) for only $79.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase. 6 months later... We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Petite line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Petite cigars (value $75.00) for only $59.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase. 1 year later... Due to demand we are pleased to annouce that our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighter emblazoned with the Macanudo logo will now be available for purchase at your local tobacco shop for $14.95. None of this is unfactual advertising, and is legitimately done every day in just about every industry you can name. Any claims made that they should not be allowed to include their Special Edition lighter (that they often use to sweeten introductory offers) in more than one advertising campaign, or eventually for seperate sale, would be laughed at. The lighter isn't the "one time offer", it is the sale price on that particular item along with their branded lighter being thrown in addtionally that is the "one time offer". They could easily run that same offer with as many different lines of their cigars as they like, or on the same line but with a different item (say a branded cigar cutter) thrown in instead. By the same token, they can sell as many of their Special Edition lighters as they wish. The fact that they have a unique color or logo on them is what makes them a Special Edition, not a limit on how many are going to be made or sold via various methods. This is exactly the same type of offer that was made that included the shirts in question. At some point you have to take responsibility as a consumer to actually read what an offer is saying before you accept it.
It is pleasing to know that you also enjoy fine cigars. I suggest that you try Romeo Y Julieta from Habana.
You provide an interesting analogy, but once again, just because many companies practice such marketing scheme, doesn't make it necessary for all of us to assume that CCP would possibly do the same as well. Once again, a logical person with mediocre intelligence would assume and take the following words literally, when a reputable company says the offer is a "one-time-offer." As I've mentioned before, I've been in the business of collecting rare oddities and unique items in EVE Online for the past several years and despite several short-fallings, CCP has maintained a good job keeping unique and rare collectible that were associated with "one-time offer" truly unique. It has been only recently (2011 Fall) that CCP deviated from the previous marketing practices, and hence, our zeal to express our anger and demand for clear answers.
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Boober Fraggle
3
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Posted - 2012.06.27 17:59:00 -
[242] - Quote
I dunno, i got banned from the forums 3 times for saying "go **** yourself".
Pretty Lame IMHO. They kept a whole thread about saying how terrible my hometown is and that I'm a piece of **** by virtue of living in Pittsburgh.
Pretty fuckin weak to leave this one up and not ban OP. Just sayin you guys are biased as hell. |
Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
409
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:01:00 -
[243] - Quote
#newedenproblems
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8246
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:03:00 -
[244] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. No, it's in fact entirely true. You got exactly what you paid for, and you got a freebie thrown in just for fun. You are now crying that what you got for free is available to others as a much higher price than you paid for it.
Quote:Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. There was nothing deceptive or ambiguous about it: the offer was a one-time deal GÇö you have not been able to buy 13 PLEX and get that shirt for free ever since. The availability of the shirt through other means does not retroactively change the nature of that offer or make the wording false. For that to happen, they'd have to reintroduce the exact same offer (13 PLEX + the same shirt) again.
GǪand even then, you'd still be complaining about how other people have to pay more for something you got for nothing.
Quote:just because many companies practice such marketing scheme, doesn't make it necessary for all of us to assume that CCP would possibly do the same as well. UhmGǪ yes it pretty much does. CCP uses the same freebie-with-purchase scheme as everyone else. Assuming that it will work like every other freebie-with-purchase scheme seems rather natural, so the normal assumption would be that they would do it the same way. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Bill Loney
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:13:00 -
[245] - Quote
Newz Bie wrote:$200 for a virtual item.
People actually bought that stuff?
ROFL.
WoW, just WoW, people who clearly have too much RL money deserve to have it taken from them. It's like stupidity tax. +1 CCP. This |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:14:00 -
[246] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. No, it's in fact entirely true. You got exactly what you paid for, and you got a freebie thrown in just for fun. You are now crying that what you got for free is available to others as a much higher price than you paid for it. Quote:Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. There was nothing deceptive or ambiguous about it: the offer was a one-time deal GÇö you have not been able to buy 13 PLEX and get that shirt for free ever since. The availability of the shirt through other means does not retroactively change the nature of that offer or make the wording false. For that to happen, they'd have to reintroduce the exact same offer (13 PLEX + the same shirt) again. GǪand even then, you'd still be complaining about how other people have to pay more for something you got for nothing. Quote:just because many companies practice such marketing scheme, doesn't make it necessary for all of us to assume that CCP would possibly do the same as well. UhmGǪ yes it pretty much does. CCP uses the same freebie-with-purchase scheme as everyone else. Assuming that it will work like every other freebie-with-purchase scheme seems rather natural, so the normal assumption would be that they would do it the same way.
Not everyone. Take a look at Blizzard. They are another reputable publisher of best-selling games, commanding crowds many folds over the current subscribers of EVE Online. When Blizzard says "one-time-deal" for an ingame item, they mean it. It has been true since the Collector's Edition of WoW to ALL THE SUBSEQUENT IN-GAME ITEMS issued afterwards, for the past 7-8 years or so. I assumed CCP was of similar reputable company that keeps its words.
You can keep playing "word games" here, but I am only going to admit the following: my mistake was to believe that CCP's marketing practices hold integrity, as much as Blizzards do. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:17:00 -
[247] - Quote
Bill Loney wrote:Newz Bie wrote:$200 for a virtual item.
People actually bought that stuff?
ROFL.
WoW, just WoW, people who clearly have too much RL money deserve to have it taken from them. It's like stupidity tax. +1 CCP. This
Do you really think I am crying over because I lost $200? I would've acted similarly if it was just $2.00. I am not complaining because of the excessive price associated with this issue. I am complaining because CCP unfairly punishes those who take additional risk and those who take "leap of faith." |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1201
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:19:00 -
[248] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Bill Loney wrote:Newz Bie wrote:$200 for a virtual item.
People actually bought that stuff?
ROFL.
WoW, just WoW, people who clearly have too much RL money deserve to have it taken from them. It's like stupidity tax. +1 CCP. This Do you really think I am crying over because I lost $200? I would've acted similarly if it was just $2.00. I am not complaining because of the excessive price associated with this issue. I am complaining because CCP unfairly punishes those who take additional risk and those who take "leap of faith."
were you one of those who bought the iPhone in 2007 for $600 only to see it go down to $400 two weeks later a rogue goon |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:22:00 -
[249] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Bill Loney wrote:Newz Bie wrote:$200 for a virtual item.
People actually bought that stuff?
ROFL.
WoW, just WoW, people who clearly have too much RL money deserve to have it taken from them. It's like stupidity tax. +1 CCP. This Do you really think I am crying over because I lost $200? I would've acted similarly if it was just $2.00. I am not complaining because of the excessive price associated with this issue. I am complaining because CCP unfairly punishes those who take additional risk and those who take "leap of faith." were you one of those who bought the iPhone in 2007 for $600 only to see it go down to $400 two weeks later
No. I used company phone then. Once again, what you describe there, has no relation to my issue. |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
83
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:23:00 -
[250] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:
Do you really think I am crying over because I lost $200? I would've acted similarly if it was just $2.00. I am not complaining because of the excessive price associated with this issue. I am complaining because CCP unfairly punishes those who take additional risk and those who take "leap of faith."
Risk? What RISK did you take? You paid for 13 PLEX and got 13 PLEX. You also got an additional item FOR FREE. You are crying because CCP didn't protect the exclusivity of your FREE ITEM in perpetuity, so that you could later milk some sap for a few billion ISK profit.
Boo-farking-hoo to you. Stop being a baby. You lost NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING. CEO, Venture Racing Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:25:00 -
[251] - Quote
Norrin Ellis wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:
Do you really think I am crying over because I lost $200? I would've acted similarly if it was just $2.00. I am not complaining because of the excessive price associated with this issue. I am complaining because CCP unfairly punishes those who take additional risk and those who take "leap of faith."
Risk? What RISK did you take? You paid for 13 PLEX and got 13 PLEX. You also got an additional item FOR FREE. You are crying because CCP didn't protect the exclusivity of your FREE ITEM in perpetuity, so that you could later milk some sap for a few billion ISK profit. Boo-farking-hoo to you. Stop being a baby. You lost NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING.
Crying? Really? Do you not know anything about basic economics and finance? And you are here, lecturing me about how I assumed no risk? Seriously? I am not even going to bother lecturing you about "risk" because talking to a community college graduate is a waste of my time and waste of your time as well. |
Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:27:00 -
[252] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special. Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items. You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP. What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices. As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP. CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.
Nothing cryptic about it, Limited OFFER, not limited ITEM
And then again, Limited Items are taken into production again when they sell out fast, CCP did nothing wrong, you read something, and assumed wrong |
Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:27:00 -
[253] - Quote
Can I have the free PLEX you got with your $200 shirt? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:31:00 -
[254] - Quote
Dheeradj Esil wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote:Dheeradj Esil wrote:So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?
Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle! Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special. Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items. You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP. What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices. As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP. CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning. Nothing cryptic about it, Limited OFFER, not limited ITEM
I hate bringing up another company for a comparison, but I have to resort to this. When a reputable game publisher says "one-time-offer," you take that literally as a "one-time-offer." As mentioned above, Blizzards has been in the business of issuing unique/rare collectibles as well and when they say "one-time-offer," they mean what they say. It has been true ever since the release of the Collector's Edition and has been true for dozens of subsequent in-game items in the course of 7-8 year history of WoW.
You didn't have to hear me moan and whine only if CCP was crystal clear about its marketing promotion. All i am asking is a Dev, giving me/us a clear answer regarding this issue. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
163
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:32:00 -
[255] - Quote
OP underlined and bolded some stuff. must be important |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:33:00 -
[256] - Quote
Riedle wrote:OP underlined and bolded some stuff. must be important
Extremely important. |
Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:35:00 -
[257] - Quote
Let's see if CCP continues to allow his shameless advertising for Blizzard on their forums. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
754
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:36:00 -
[258] - Quote
What boggles the mind is why you'd even bother to begin with, when you knew someone would sell it on the market and you could just buy it for ISK anyway.
It's your own fault for reading into advertising what wasn't there. Not even implied. Stop crying. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |
Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:37:00 -
[259] - Quote
The only reason that Warcraft and Starcraft got successfull was because they got 2 great base games to built upon.
(Warhammer and Warhammer 40k for those wondering....) By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.
-Abdiel Kavash
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1201
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:38:00 -
[260] - Quote
you got $60 off on a 13 PLEX deal and you're whining about a shirt
laffo a rogue goon |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:39:00 -
[261] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:What boggles the mind is why you'd even bother to begin with, when you knew someone would sell it on the market and you could just buy it for ISK anyway.
It's your own fault for reading into advertising what wasn't there. Not even implied. Stop crying.
I made an assumption that others didn't have as much disposable income. How is it my own fault "for reading into advertising what wasn't there" when the advertisement clearly stated that it was a "one-time-offer?" I admit that my mistake was... I took CCP's marketing practice too literally.
I am just asking for CCP's response so this kind of situation does not occur for anyone else in the future. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
4201
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:40:00 -
[262] - Quote
Haha, CCP not only stole your money, but also trolled you something rotten!
I hope this serves as a lesson for the future.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:40:00 -
[263] - Quote
Dheeradj Esil wrote:The only reason that Warcraft and Starcraft got successfull was because they got 2 great base games to built upon.
(Warhammer and Warhammer 40k for those wondering....)
I am talking about Blizzards' marketing practices. Not about its reason for success. Just comparing one reputable company to another and trust me, prior to this incident, I held CCP more venerated than any other gaming companies out there. Now, I am just annoyed. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:41:00 -
[264] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:Haha, CCP not only stole your money, but also trolled you something rotten!
I hope this serves as a lesson for the future.
I know. =/ |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1201
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:43:00 -
[265] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:Haha, CCP not only stole your money, but also trolled you something rotten!
I hope this serves as a lesson for the future.
yeah they stole his money by giving him what he paid for (the 13 PLEX) and later offering the free promotional item that came with the 13 plex to the hoi polloi
this is an outrage a rogue goon |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:44:00 -
[266] - Quote
I see your first mistake there. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:48:00 -
[267] - Quote
Katja Faith wrote:I see your first mistake there.
Not everyone was against NEX Store. I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.
Lowing the supply of rare ores and increasing its price by 20%-30% is one thing, but artificially implementing a change that deprives hundreds of investors by negative 10,000% return, is far from being "just."
Once again, Dev response to this would be much appreciated. |
Bill Loney
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:51:00 -
[268] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:you got $60 off on a 13 PLEX deal and you're whining about a shirt
laffo This puts it into perspective and makes it even funnier. |
Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:52:00 -
[269] - Quote
The devs are too busy laughing at this complaint to type anything coherent. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:53:00 -
[270] - Quote
Bill Loney wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:you got $60 off on a 13 PLEX deal and you're whining about a shirt
laffo This puts it into perspective and makes it even funnier.
Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.
You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.
What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.
As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.
CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning. |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1202
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:53:00 -
[271] - Quote
Bill Loney wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:you got $60 off on a 13 PLEX deal and you're whining about a shirt
laffo This puts it into perspective and makes it even funnier.
Yeah, that's basically a tl;dr of this entire thread. a rogue goon |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2123
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Posted - 2012.06.27 18:54:00 -
[272] - Quote
1: This is a one time offer to purchase 13 PLEX for a special price and we will also give you a Special Edition shirt with purchase.
2: This is a one time offer to purchase a Special Edition shirt.
You need to understand the difference between these two sentences.
You could just as easily swap 13 PLEX for 1 year subscription, and Special Edition shirt for Special Edition Azure Blue Armor in either sentence.
If you did the offer Blizzard tends to make would be the second sentence, and has a completely different meaning than the first sentence. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:54:00 -
[273] - Quote
Ariel Marquette wrote:The devs are too busy laughing at this complaint to type anything coherent.
Yea I know. The sad reality (for me at least) is that what you say is probably true. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3752
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:54:00 -
[274] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: Lowing the supply of rare ores and increasing its price by 20%-30% is one thing, but artificially implementing a change that deprives hundreds of investors by negative 10,000% return, is far from being "just."
Once again, Dev response to this would be much appreciated.
you got owned son because you are a goddamned idiot
unfortunately, the devs probably aren't supposed to be explicit about that |
Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
22
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:56:00 -
[275] - Quote
I recommend that the OP stop following this thread until (if) it has the blue tag he's looking for. In the meantime, he can play World of Whinecraft, where he apparently has spent hundreds on promotional pixels that are still exclusive to the folks willing to shell out piles of real cash. |
Bill Loney
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:56:00 -
[276] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Bill Loney wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:you got $60 off on a 13 PLEX deal and you're whining about a shirt
laffo This puts it into perspective and makes it even funnier. blah blah blah. That is how u perceived the wording, but anyone in there small intelect world would realise that. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:56:00 -
[277] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: Lowing the supply of rare ores and increasing its price by 20%-30% is one thing, but artificially implementing a change that deprives hundreds of investors by negative 10,000% return, is far from being "just."
Once again, Dev response to this would be much appreciated.
you got owned son because you are a goddamned idiot unfortunately, the devs probably aren't supposed to be explicit about that
But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1202
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 18:59:00 -
[278] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.
you gotta admit, The Mittani has made some pretty decent financial decisions compared to you considering that he's, well, set for life at 30 a rogue goon |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
654
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:02:00 -
[279] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.
So as long as it was profitable to you, everything was fine? And once that changed it was suddenly not ok?
Also, the limited offer referred to the cheap PLEX and not the shirt (which you got for free) which is why people here do not understand your complaint. Now, if the offer had said that you would be getting a one off shirt that was only ever going to be available by taking advantage of that particular promotion, then you would have cause for complaint. As it stands your arguments and complaints are invalid. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:03:00 -
[280] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader. you gotta admit, The Mittani has made some pretty decent financial decisions compared to you considering that he's, well, set for life at 30
Except you forgot to take into account about my actual real-life financials. This is a pointless exercise. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:04:00 -
[281] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.
So as long as it was profitable to you, everything was fine? And once that changed it was suddenly not ok? Also, the limited offer referred to the cheap PLEX and not the shirt (which you got for free) which is why people here do not understand your complaint. Now, if the offer had said that you would be getting a one off shirt that was only ever going to be available by taking advantage of that particular promotion, then you would have cause for complaint. As it stands your arguments and complaints are invalid.
Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.
You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.
What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.
As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.
CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3753
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:05:00 -
[282] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.
no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants
i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3753
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:06:00 -
[283] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:a person of mediocre intellect i found your problem
have someone of normal intellect explain what the offer means to you next time instead of doing it yourself |
Wille Sanara
Felador night Corp
6
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:06:00 -
[284] - Quote
I think Antik is right and this deserves an answer from development team. |
Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
22
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:07:00 -
[285] - Quote
How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:08:00 -
[286] - Quote
Ariel Marquette wrote:How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong.
Not really because the mail I just got back from one of the CCP Devs said he is "aware of the issue." |
Bill Loney
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:08:00 -
[287] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:[quote=The Antiquarian] I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.
There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling marketing tactic used by CCP. . Fixed |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3753
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:08:00 -
[288] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. ccp forced me, against my will, to spend $300 on virtual clothing |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1202
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:08:00 -
[289] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Except you forgot to take into account about my actual real-life financials. This is a pointless exercise.
everyone on the internet is Warren Buffett a rogue goon |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:10:00 -
[290] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.
no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week
I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items. |
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
654
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:11:00 -
[291] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.
So as long as it was profitable to you, everything was fine? And once that changed it was suddenly not ok? Also, the limited offer referred to the cheap PLEX and not the shirt (which you got for free) which is why people here do not understand your complaint. Now, if the offer had said that you would be getting a one off shirt that was only ever going to be available by taking advantage of that particular promotion, then you would have cause for complaint. As it stands your arguments and complaints are invalid. Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items. You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP. What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices. As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP. CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.
Why are you copy pasting a reply to a previous poster instead of reading what I wrote and responding accordingly? The error was yours, not CCP's. No-one has deprived you, deceived you or falsely advertised anything. The advert was quite clear, the shirt was a freebie and the offer was for the reduced price on the PLEX.
Also, please respond to the section of your post that I quoted and made a statement about. Thank you. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Alerada
Scalar Aurora
3
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:11:00 -
[292] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.
no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Guess you don't need to complain then is there's nothing wrong with that. |
Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
22
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:11:00 -
[293] - Quote
Hey, now he's claiming that the devs are privately taking his side via mails! Any more unverifiable claims you'd like to make? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3753
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:11:00 -
[294] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.
just because you don't understand why this is shameful doesn't mean the rest of us don't |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:12:00 -
[295] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.
So as long as it was profitable to you, everything was fine? And once that changed it was suddenly not ok? Also, the limited offer referred to the cheap PLEX and not the shirt (which you got for free) which is why people here do not understand your complaint. Now, if the offer had said that you would be getting a one off shirt that was only ever going to be available by taking advantage of that particular promotion, then you would have cause for complaint. As it stands your arguments and complaints are invalid. Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items. You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP. What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices. As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP. CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning. Why are you copy pasting a reply to a previous poster instead of reading what I wrote and responding accordingly? The error was yours, not CCP's. No-one has deprived you, deceived you or falsely advertised anything. The advert was quite clear, the shirt was a freebie and the offer was for the reduced price on the PLEX. Also, please respond to the section of your post that I quoted and made a statement about. Thank you.
I do this because my previous answer covers it. I do this because what you asked, was asked by dozen others.
|
Alerada
Scalar Aurora
3
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:13:00 -
[296] - Quote
Ariel Marquette wrote:Hey, now he's claiming that the devs are privately taking his side via mails! Any more unverifiable claims you'd like to make?
I bet he thinks the logs show things too |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2123
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:13:00 -
[297] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Ariel Marquette wrote:How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong. Not really because the mail I just got back from one of the CCP Devs said he is "aware of the issue."
Which simply means he has read either this or the feed back thread.
I suppose they could refund the 500 AUR price to you as a gesture of good will.
Again, a one time offer to get a special price on PLEX and an additional Special Edition shirt with purchase is one thing.
A one time offer to aquire a Special Edition shirt is quite another. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1202
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:13:00 -
[298] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.
no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.
except that a person who spends $260 on "nerdy items" and plays EVE would probably buy tangible goods, like, say these things
You didn't spend $260 on the shirt, you spent it on PLEX. This is a fact no matter how much you insist otherwise. a rogue goon |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:13:00 -
[299] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.
just because you don't understand why this is shameful doesn't mean the rest of us don't
Then you have no understanding of basic economics. I pity you and your community college education. |
Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:15:00 -
[300] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.
Holy dog excrement! You really do believe you paid $260 for a shirt? I repeat my earlier question: Can I have all the free PLEX you got with your shirt?
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3755
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:15:00 -
[301] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: Then you have no understanding of basic economics. I pity you and your community college education.
ahahahahahahahahaha
do you even know what economics is |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
654
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:16:00 -
[302] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:
I do this because my previous answer covers it. I do this because what you asked, was asked by dozen others.
Incorrect. You failed to respond to the section of your previous post that I had quoted. That is the real issue here after all. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3755
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:16:00 -
[303] - Quote
economics: the study of marketing virtual pants |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
125
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:17:00 -
[304] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:economics: the study of marketing virtual pants
Does virtual make a difference? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:18:00 -
[305] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ariel Marquette wrote:How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong. Not really because the mail I just got back from one of the CCP Devs said he is "aware of the issue." Which simply means he has read either this or the feed back thread. I suppose they could refund the 500 AUR price to you as a gesture of good will. Again, a one time offer to get a special price on PLEX and an additional Special Edition shirt with purchase is one thing. A one time offer to aquire a Special Edition shirt is quite another.
I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2123
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:19:00 -
[306] - Quote
Since this thread has devolved into the OP simply copy/pasting his previous statements (in a dazzleing display of circular logic) that have already been meticulously shown to be incorrect assumptions on his part, I think this thread has pretty much run it's course.
It's done now except for the trolling. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3755
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:19:00 -
[307] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Since this thread has devolved into the OP simply copy/pasting his previous statements (in a dazzleing display of circular logic) that have already been meticulously shown to be incorrect assumptions on his part, I think this thread has pretty much run it's course.
It's done now except for the trolling. I prefer to think of this as having fun through education, not trolling. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3755
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:20:00 -
[308] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Weaselior wrote:economics: the study of marketing virtual pants Does virtual make a difference? who even knows at this point |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1202
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:20:00 -
[309] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch.
where's the chorus of affected players, then a rogue goon |
Heldrigan Saken
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:20:00 -
[310] - Quote
To quote a someecards.com card, "I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people....I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out." |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3755
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:21:00 -
[311] - Quote
i'm pretty good at economics, i figured it out through reading the backs of sugar packets - The Antiquarian |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1202
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:21:00 -
[312] - Quote
oh you have that MD thread linked in the OP, nevermind
sorry, it's hard to take MD seriously after they were robbed blind by the nth bank scheme a rogue goon |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:22:00 -
[313] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. where's the chorus of affected players, then
Here is a small sample of the chorus from the affected players. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2123
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:24:00 -
[314] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ariel Marquette wrote:How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong. Not really because the mail I just got back from one of the CCP Devs said he is "aware of the issue." Which simply means he has read either this or the feed back thread. I suppose they could refund the 500 AUR price to you as a gesture of good will. Again, a one time offer to get a special price on PLEX and an additional Special Edition shirt with purchase is one thing. A one time offer to aquire a Special Edition shirt is quite another. I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals. If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch.
The only value CCP has ever assigned those items is 500 AUR (or is it lower, I forget).
The price other players put on those items is not something CCP controls nor should be held accountable for.
If they had specifically stated the item would never be offered again, I would most certainly be on your side in this.
But they did not. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
83
|
Posted - 2012.06.27 19:27:00 -
[315] - Quote
I want to make sure I'm really clear on all the points the OP is making here.
1) He spent the money ON THE SHIRT, as he would not have bought the PLEX otherwise. 2) He is upset that CCP devalued the shirt from about 2 billion ISK to somewhere around 50 million.
So, in your advanced understanding of economics, you paid the real-money equivalent of about 6.5 billion ISK (13 PLEX @ approx. 500 mil ea.) for a shirt with a peak value of 2 billion ISK (4 PLEX @ approx. 500 mil ea.). You completely ignore the fact that you were buying 13 PLEX and continue to insist that you made the purchase exclusively because CCP was offering the shirt. That is, you essentially deny that the PLEX had any value to you at all. You, therefore, according to your logic and the premises you expect us to assume, entered into a 4.5 billion ISK loss to begin with, and are now complaining. Why?
Either you are lying to us about your valuation of the offer (which I hope and assume to be true), or you are the dumbest person that has ever played EVE and should not be trusted with real money.
Say what you will about my community college education (I'm sure you have a Ph.D. from Harvard). I could apply what I learned in high school to realize that, based on your own premises, you made an awful purchase. Now, based on reality, you got a really sweet deal on 13 PLEX, plus a free shirt, which isn't so bad. Congratulations. CEO, Venture Racing Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:28:00 -
[316] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ariel Marquette wrote:How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong. Not really because the mail I just got back from one of the CCP Devs said he is "aware of the issue." Which simply means he has read either this or the feed back thread. I suppose they could refund the 500 AUR price to you as a gesture of good will. Again, a one time offer to get a special price on PLEX and an additional Special Edition shirt with purchase is one thing. A one time offer to aquire a Special Edition shirt is quite another. I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals. If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. The only value CCP has ever assigned those items is 500 AUR (or is it lower, I forget). The price other players put on those items is not something CCP controls nor should be held accountable for. If they had specifically stated the item would never be offered again, I would most certainly be on your side in this. But they did not.
I don't really mine or have a complete understanding of the loot rate, but when CCP decided to cut off the ore supplies from the Drone Region and when the price of the affected ores spiked by as much as 20-30% initially, there were furious players asking for changes.
Those who were affected by the recent Nex Store move, were adversely affected by more than hundreds of % in negative return, upon the initial investment (those who purchased the shirts with ISK). Are you really telling us that CCP is not accountable for depriving their initial capital by several folds? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2124
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:31:00 -
[317] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. where's the chorus of affected players, then Here is a small sample of the chorus from the affected players.
You realize that there are only 2 or 3 people in that entire thread complaining right? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:32:00 -
[318] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. where's the chorus of affected players, then Here is a small sample of the chorus from the affected players. You realize that there are only 2 or 3 people in that entire thread complaining right?
Then can we safely assume that based on the number of active forum-goers, we can extrapolate and apply that percentage to that number you've specified? Just because only 2 or 3 people are complaining doesn't necessarily mean that those were the only adversely affected party amongst 350,000 subscribers. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3756
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:36:00 -
[319] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: Then can we safely assume that based on the number of active forum-goers, we can extrapolate and apply that percentage to that number you've specified? Just because only 2 or 3 people are complaining doesn't necessarily mean that those were the only adversely affected party amongst 350,000 subscribers.
or you're one of the dumbest four people out of 350k.
I know which answer i'm going with |
Alerada
Scalar Aurora
3
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:37:00 -
[320] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:I know my situation is funny to you guys, but there are dozens of other players who were adversely affected by recent CCP's decision to introduce these items via NEX for $0.50. There are dozens of other players who invested approximately 1.1B-1.2B to purchase the shirts. There are also dozens more, who spent several hundred million ISKs to purchase the outfits offered via the Russian Boxed Edition. CCP pretty much deprived much of the investments made by those unfortunate individuals.
If CCP is to offer reparation as a "gesture of good will," it needs to offer the going market-rate prior to the recent patch. where's the chorus of affected players, then Here is a small sample of the chorus from the affected players. You realize that there are only 2 or 3 people in that entire thread complaining right? Then can we safely assume that based on the number of active forum-goers, we can extrapolate and apply that percentage to that number you've specified? Just because only 2 or 3 people are complaining doesn't necessarily mean that those were the only adversely affected party amongst 350,000 subscribers.
I can extrapolate that based on your intelligence thus far... in your whole life... it will extrapolate to 0 and very probably to negative |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2125
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:40:00 -
[321] - Quote
The drone region/mining changes are a pretty big stretch from discussing your market speculations.
CCP's motivation was to balance the economy and strengthen it's base (the mining segment), and this was accomplished admirably.
Obviously a shift in the economy was going to force some people to change what they are doing or they would be adversely affected. Pretty much everyone understood that basic fact, and if you are paying attention there is a best a minute fraction of the EVE player base that is complaining about it.
A great deal of mineral speculation was done prior to the change. Some people made a fortune, some people lost their shirt.
If you speculate on the value of an item it is, as always, at your own risk. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
54
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:40:00 -
[322] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: Then can we safely assume that based on the number of active forum-goers, we can extrapolate and apply that percentage to that number you've specified? Just because only 2 or 3 people are complaining doesn't necessarily mean that those were the only adversely affected party amongst 350,000 subscribers.
or you're one of the dumbest four people out of 350k. I know which answer i'm going with
CCP did market PvP on real money paying customers. This is gold. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
83
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:42:00 -
[323] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:The drone region/mining changes are a pretty big stretch from discussing your market speculations.
CCP's motivation was to balance the economy and strengthen it's base (the mining segment), and this was accomplished admirably.
Obviously a shift in the economy was going to force some people to change what they are doing or they would be adversely affected. Pretty much everyone understood that basic fact, and if you are paying attention there is a best a minute fraction of the EVE player base that is complaining about it.
A great deal of mineral speculation was done prior to the change. Some people made a fortune, some people lost their shirt.
If you speculate on the value of an item it is, as always, at your own risk.
Given the topic of the thread, I lol'd at "some people lost their shirt." CEO, Venture Racing Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
Bill Loney
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:49:00 -
[324] - Quote
Norrin Ellis wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:The drone region/mining changes are a pretty big stretch from discussing your market speculations.
CCP's motivation was to balance the economy and strengthen it's base (the mining segment), and this was accomplished admirably.
Obviously a shift in the economy was going to force some people to change what they are doing or they would be adversely affected. Pretty much everyone understood that basic fact, and if you are paying attention there is a best a minute fraction of the EVE player base that is complaining about it.
A great deal of mineral speculation was done prior to the change. Some people made a fortune, some people lost their shirt.
If you speculate on the value of an item it is, as always, at your own risk. Given the topic of the thread, I lol'd at "some people lost their shirt." And throwing the rattle out the pram. |
Boober Fraggle
3
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Posted - 2012.06.27 19:58:00 -
[325] - Quote
Quote:CCP's motivation was to balance the economy and strengthen it's base (the mining segment), and this was accomplished admirably.
How? The market went way up in speculation and once the patch was actually released the price went DOWN again. You make LESS from mining AGAIN. And thats WITH hulkagoondouche running 23.5/7. I was making way more money hisec mining before the "fix". And when I say before i mean not anymore because it blows again (profit).
Veld and scord are up a bit since then, but were already up amost 100% prior to the fix. |
Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:07:00 -
[326] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.
no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items. except that a person who spends $260 on "nerdy items" and plays EVE would probably buy tangible goods, like, say these thingsYou didn't spend $260 on the shirt, you spent it on PLEX. This is a fact no matter how much you insist otherwise.
I consider the Guristas shirt the best shirt I ever bought. By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.
-Abdiel Kavash
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Sidious Lord
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:11:00 -
[327] - Quote
Norrin Ellis wrote: You completely ignore the fact that you were buying 13 PLEX and continue to insist that you made the purchase exclusively because CCP was offering the shirt. That is, you essentially deny that the PLEX had any value to you at all.
No, he is hiding something vital from us. Something that might explain his relentless raging: he put all his PLEXes into the cargohold of his noobship, forgot he was in low sec, undocked and got ganked.
So, while he in theory got 13x game time from his purchase, in reality he only ended up with the shirt for his hard earned $260...
Forever faithful to the Royal Amarr Institute |
Morgorathi
Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz
9
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:12:00 -
[328] - Quote
Wow this thread is still going! |
Trini Soren
The Actinic Agency
1
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Posted - 2012.06.27 22:54:00 -
[329] - Quote
Why am I not seeing these items in the NeX store? |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
9
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:25:00 -
[330] - Quote
Trini Soren wrote:Why am I not seeing these items in the NeX store?
I'm not seeing either of the two accidental releases/screwups on the NEX store. Perhaps this means CCP is taking action to fix this mess?
I would like all of these shirts purchased from the NEX store given a new name and turned into a separate item from the original "special edition" shirts. That way the "special edition" shirts can maintain their rareity, but people can still get something that looks the same on the NEX store at a reasonable price.. everybody wins. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1526
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:06:00 -
[331] - Quote
I'm not seeing them in the Noble Exchange either.
I may be premature here but I think I will congratulate The Antiquarian for having the fortitude to stick to his guns long enough to get CCP to see the error of their ways and pull the contentious items from the NeX store.
This is where all the naysayers in here start the run on buying up what's left of them in the market. I've already cleaned out the Amarr area so don't bother there.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Rikula
Opur
7
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:36:00 -
[332] - Quote
For all those constant critics in this thread, you still haven't addressed the main concern: even IF CCP was within their rights to do this, was it the right move? Was it smart? Was it needed?
As The Antiquarian has pointed out, other games have special limited items, and I think games are better for it. I think EVE, especially, benefits from having both the common and the rare.
This move has had a negative effect on the trust for CCP promotions regarding clothing, and for the NEX store. Many of you may hate the NEX and virtual clothing, and for you this is a good move insofar as it brings disrepute on these aspects of the game. But CCP shouldn't listen to you, because your motives do not match theirs. They should listen to the people that support their idea, insofar as CCP wants to have this area of the game be successful.
Mr Epeen wrote:This is where all the naysayers in here start the run on buying up what's left of them in the market. I've already cleaned out the Amarr area so don't bother there. Mr Epeen
To fix this issue, CCP will need to not only remove from the NEX store, but destroy and reimburse all those purchases made post-patch.
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Rikula
Opur
7
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:50:00 -
[333] - Quote
Just to give some positive suggestions, I would recommend the following to CCP: a. Either: i) Identify (if possible) all the copies of the shirt (and the red/black women's executor) that existed before the patch, and convert those to some other appropriate item that will henceforth remain special or ii) Remove (as they have) the items from the NEX, and destroy with reimbursement all the copies that were created post patch. Destruction is required though, otherwise the value of these items will be seriously reduced (I favour (i) simply because I suspect it won't annoy people that bought the shirt/executor for cheap price because they wanted to wear itGǪcollectors are probably a little less concerned about appearance and more concerned with rarity - while those who bought them post patch are more concerned with appearance and less with rarity) b) Declare their intentions clearly regarding future products - eg, will they agree that should this happen in future, they will work to correct it?
And further recommendations for the future (eg, to protect the value of the monocle): c) Implement market-sellable ship paint jobs in the NEX (or at least some paint jobs). This will allow people to use their aurum on NEX items that are guaranteed to be of interest to many players, and sellable on market, for what their appropriate aurum to isk exchange value is. What this should do is help get spent some of the stockpiled aurum d) A few months after the above, when ship paint jobs are being sold on market for roughly their true aurum->isk exchange worth, allow transfer of Aurum
By delaying the implementation of aurum until (d), it will help ensure that the value of the monocle does not drop drastically - people will already have a good outlet to cash in their aurum, and a destructible outlet too that means it can be renewed. They won't instantly look to buy the monocle just to sell it for a quick buck.
I think transfer of aurum should be allowed - it's something I want - but not until (d).
Edit: An alternative to (c) would be to simply remove the old items from the NEX store immediately before allowing aurum exchange. On the assumption that they only ever return to the store for their old price, if at all! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1526
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:31:00 -
[334] - Quote
Rikula wrote:
To fix this issue, CCP will need to not only remove from the NEX store, but destroy and reimburse all those purchases made post-patch.
Ideally, yes.
But I'm reminded of the Pax Ammaria incident where they just quietly removed them from the market and let the situation sort itself out. I don't know that they have the time or ability to wade through the convoluted mess that has been created here and refund isk/ Arum for thousands of items that each went through multiple hands and two different exchange mediums.
No; I suspect they have done what they are going to do and that's as much fixing as we'll see.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Flakey Foont
171
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:34:00 -
[335] - Quote
Reminds me of the folks who hung at the bank in Britannia exchanging pixels for fake money. |
Kilabi
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:42:00 -
[336] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:ADDENDUMPlease refer to the following post on the Market Discussion for those who were adversely affected by CCP's recent flooding of pre-existing rare/unique outfits on NEX Store for fraction of their initial costs.
I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again. You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items. But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this? CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH! CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items. Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase. So far, this has been the message that CCP has indirectly expressed to all the supporters of Noble Exchange, cash for PLEXs, and all other marketing schemes: "Thank you for your contribution. You assumed the risk and this is what you get. You will be the laughing stock of the entire community of EVE Online. We will remain mute for the rest of the period. Oh!! And don't forget: we are here sitting behind the desk, laughing at you too!" ahahahahah
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1526
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:46:00 -
[337] - Quote
Flakey Foont wrote:Reminds me of the folks who hung at the bank in Britannia exchanging pixels for fake money.
I blame you for me spending two and a half hours digging through old boxes for my Mr Natural comix yesterday. God bless Robert Crumb for giving me something entertaining to do while wasting my youth away being wasted.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
184
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Posted - 2012.06.28 03:11:00 -
[338] - Quote
Wow. Just wow. This is the second thread I have seen that displays an outrageous amount of angst about SHIRTS.
Yes. You spent real money to get your shirt. Yes. People that are buying the shirt now are also spending real money to get the shirt.
You're upset that you paid more six months ago and compare it to this:
The Antiquarian wrote:Yea, how would you react if you decide to purchase that pretty Mercedes E350 of yours for $48,000 and realize that the same dealership is selling that car for $1,000, 6 months later?
I think that would suck but do you honestly think that anyone would go back to the Mercedes dealership and demand $47,000? Do you think Mercedes would refund that money. If they did they would no longer be in business.
It is unfortunate but internet spaceships apparel is a dog-eat-dog enterprise and I stand in awe of you, the Titan of Shirt-dom. You invest in shirts and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Don't let it get you down. There will be other shirts.
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Reloadin
4
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Posted - 2012.06.28 03:24:00 -
[339] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote:Wow. Just wow. This is the second thread I have seen that displays an outrageous amount of angst about SHIRTS.
Yes, how silly of us to have the temerity to voice dissent at an oversight by CCP that devalued some of our items by billions of isk. We should stick to complaining about ship insurance or that plex just went up by 10mil.
Anyway, the whole two threads which people like yourself just couldn't ignore and say, hey that doesn't concern me I might not bother with it, seems to have had an effect. No more ishukone shirt or womens executor coat in the nex.
It's really quite baffling how this happened anyway. Shows the level of ignorance about their own product by people working in CCP. Someone working on their MT store was not aware of the collectors edition boxes, the plex bundle, or even bothered to have a look at the market.
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
655
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Posted - 2012.06.28 03:29:00 -
[340] - Quote
As an owner of the 500 Aurum Ishukone Shirt, I would be interested to know if ones that have already been purchased might well be removed. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:37:00 -
[341] - Quote
Judging by the CCPGÇÖs recent action to remove the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, it shows CCPGÇÖs admittance on their mistake to release those two items on the NEX Store in the first place.
Removing those two items is an appropriate first step, but that does not provide any reparation for those who were adversely affected by CCPGÇÖs marketing failure. Those who took the GÇ£leap of faithGÇ¥ in CCPGÇÖs are still disenfranchised by seeing billions of their initial investments on these unique shirts turned to GÇ£dustGÇ¥ due to the untold number of those shirts being circulated out into the market, thanks to CCPGÇÖs mistake of releasing those items for $0.50 on NEX Store.
Obviously CCP can not take away hundreds of ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT and WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD) that were purchased for $0.50 post the recent patch.
CCP needs to make appropriate reparations in forms of another completely unique items to the previous owners of those rare apparels. Those are the only GÇ£justGÇ¥ and GÇ£equitableGÇ¥ action. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8254
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:41:00 -
[342] - Quote
Rikula wrote:For all those constant critics in this thread, you still haven't addressed the main concern: even IF CCP was within their rights to do this, was it the right move? Was it smart? Was it needed? Sure. More stuff on the market, rather than languishing as (largely) dead code in the database = better.
Quote:This move has had a negative effect on the trust for CCP promotions regarding clothing, and for the NEX store. Not really, no. It has had the effect of people exposing themselves as the reason why advertising exists: because they read far too much into an offer and vastly overvalue what they get for free. The OP got exactly what he wanted: 13 PLEX and a free shirt. Where's the trust issue?
Mr Epeen wrote:I'm not seeing them in the Noble Exchange either. Personally, I don't even see it on the market, so I still kind of wonder exactly what shirt the OP is talking about. I asked somewhere back on page [very early], but got no answer (which goes with the overall theme of the OP not really being able to show what it is he's complaining about). It might all just be a storm in a tea cupGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
33
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:42:00 -
[343] - Quote
They also removed the discounted launch items (Greave Knee Boots, Mysterio Boots, etc.) and restored them to their previous AUR prices. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:48:00 -
[344] - Quote
It is imperative that CCP Devs need to clarify this issue, not merely by simply taking out the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, but a verbal admittance of their screw-up and their assurance that those who took the "leap of faith" are not in the constant fear of having their investments being devalued to "dust" due to CCP's carelessness.
It is imperative because the success of CCP's future marketing promotions depends on accountability and clarity. Once again, no players should be afraid of partaking in CCP's future marketing promotions or NEX Store because of the constant fear of having their investments devalued next to nothing. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8254
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:52:00 -
[345] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:It is imperative that CCP Devs need to clarify this issue, not merely by simply taking out the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, but a verbal admittance of their screw-up and their assurance that those who took the "leap of faith" are not in the constant fear of having their investments being devalued to "dust" due to CCP's carelessness.
It is imperative because the success of CCP's future marketing promotions depends on accountability and clarity. Once again, no players should be afraid of partaking in CCP's future marketing promotions or NEX Store because of the constant fear of having their investments devalued next to nothing. It was pretty crystal clear from the get-go: you got a free shirt.
If you overvalued your free shirt, then that's your problem, not CCP's. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1530
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:54:00 -
[346] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I'm not seeing them in the Noble Exchange either. Personally, I don't even see it on the market, so I still kind of wonder exactly what shirt the OP is talking about. I asked somewhere back on page [very early], but got no answer (which goes with the overall theme of the OP not really being able to show what it is he's complaining about). It might all just be a storm in a tea cupGǪ
Maybe you're not seeing them because all the people like me, instead of watching the forums, were watching the actual game. When it became obvious the items were pulled from the NeX, we bought out the market before the price jump. I can assure you that there were plenty. You are not making yourself look good by saying you haven't seen them in the market. Log into the game and look again.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.28 04:56:00 -
[347] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:It is imperative that CCP Devs need to clarify this issue, not merely by simply taking out the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, but a verbal admittance of their screw-up and their assurance that those who took the "leap of faith" are not in the constant fear of having their investments being devalued to "dust" due to CCP's carelessness.
It is imperative because the success of CCP's future marketing promotions depends on accountability and clarity. Once again, no players should be afraid of partaking in CCP's future marketing promotions or NEX Store because of the constant fear of having their investments devalued next to nothing. It was pretty crystal clear from the get-go: you got a free shirt. If you overvalued your free shirt, then that's your problem, not CCP's.
Playing wording games and adhering to your suggestions will only ruin the prospect of CCP's future marketing promotions and NEX Store from being successful.
350,000 active players make up the EVE Online. It is vital that there is a healthy stream of those who purchase PLEX for cash / delve in marketing promotions for the long-term success of this beautiful game. At the end of the day, cash inflow is the biggest determinant of the longevity of any profit-seeking entity. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
388
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Posted - 2012.06.28 05:01:00 -
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
20
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Posted - 2012.06.28 05:02:00 -
[349] - Quote
Buy up the cheap shirts and destroy them, resell some of them and recoup your loses. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8255
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Posted - 2012.06.28 05:17:00 -
[350] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Maybe you're not seeing them because all the people like me, instead of watching the forums, were watching the actual game. GǪwhere they weren't listed in either the NeX or the market over here. Now, I'll grant you that, considering what a piece of useless tat the NeX is (and considering that it has done this on multiple occasions before), it simply didn't show up unless you did the correct rubber-chicken-wave dance, but there's a reason why I asked what the item was actually called a dozen pages back: because I wasn't seeing it.
Not as in "no items available" GÇö I mean as in "not listed in the clothing section". If there has been a new patch since yesterday, I suppose I could update and see if anything has changed (not that it really matters as far as the OP's core complaint goes).
The Antiquarian wrote:Playing wording games and adhering to your suggestions will only ruin the prospect of CCP's future marketing promotions and NEX Store from being successful. So waitGǪ is that an argument for or against this kind of promotion? Anyway, the good news is that they weren't playing any word games to begin with. They were making a standard one-time special offer: 13 PLEX + shirt, and you got exactly that. You just got suckered in the same way people get suckered by those Gǣfree with purchaseGǥ offers you see everywhere in modern society.
The effect it has on future promotions is nil (unless, at some point, they offer a genuine GÇ£limited editionGÇ¥ and make it unlimited, but that's not what we're talking about here). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.28 05:31:00 -
[351] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Maybe you're not seeing them because all the people like me, instead of watching the forums, were watching the actual game. GǪwhere they weren't listed in either the NeX or the market over here. Now, I'll grant you that, considering what a piece of useless tat the NeX is (and considering that it has done this on multiple occasions before), it simply didn't show up unless you did the correct rubber-chicken-wave dance, but there's a reason why I asked what the item was actually called a dozen pages back: because I wasn't seeing it. Not as in "no items available" GÇö I mean as in "not listed in the clothing section". If there has been a new patch since yesterday, I suppose I could update and see if anything has changed (not that it really matters as far as the OP's core complaint goes). The Antiquarian wrote:Playing wording games and adhering to your suggestions will only ruin the prospect of CCP's future marketing promotions and NEX Store from being successful. So waitGǪ is that an argument for or against this kind of promotion? Anyway, the good news is that they weren't playing any word games to begin with. They were making a standard one-time special offer: 13 PLEX + shirt, and you got exactly that. You just got suckered in the same way people get suckered by those GÇ£free with purchaseGÇ¥ offers you see everywhere in modern society. The effect it has on future promotions is nil (unless, at some point, they offer a genuine GÇ£limited editionGÇ¥ and make it unlimited, but that's not what we're talking about here).
You and your wording games again. For a game that is deemed old and perceived to be suitable only for niche crowds, effective marketing promotions become even more crucial to incentivize prospective players from joining EVE Online. That includes transparant marketing practices with assurance that when CCP claims that a deal is "special," it is indeed a special deal. That includes wordings like "one-time offer" which should translate to "one-time offer" of definite nature, not being available in the future periods.
If CCP continues to say "one-time" here and "limited-time" there, while having those goodies available for prices of *****, then the power of marketing diminishes and no one will eventually take CCP's marketing promotions seriously. |
Disdaine
414
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Posted - 2012.06.28 05:44:00 -
[352] - Quote
Tippia wrote:so I still kind of wonder exactly what shirt the OP is talking about
Wow.
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Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:15:00 -
[353] - Quote
well that was weird
Disdaine wrote:Tippia wrote:so I still kind of wonder exactly what shirt the OP is talking about Wow.
confirming that posting without knowing what you are posting about makes GD way more fun GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á
never forget
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:16:00 -
[354] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:Tippia wrote:so I still kind of wonder exactly what shirt the OP is talking about Wow.
Wow I didn't see that. So that pretty much validates that Tippia is here only to spite others and play his "wording games." Despite Tippia's persistant rambling about him being fully aware of the PLEX Purchase & Ishukone Shirt/Collector's Edition & Women's Executor Shirt (Red/Gold) marketing promotions, he actually hasn't even seen the promotions, or let alone, knows which items we are talking about!
What is the point of taking your points seriously when you derive your arguments based on base-less rumors by others? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
760
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:41:00 -
[355] - Quote
It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:44:00 -
[356] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument.
Well, at least CCP agreed half of the points addressed by us and subsequently removed the items in questions, out of NEX Store.
Still one issue remains: reparation & returning the disenfranchised owners to the previous financial conditions.
Oh an most importantly, CCP's assurance that such mishap won't ever happen. Or at least, CCP's promise for a more transparant marketing practices/messages. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
760
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:45:00 -
[357] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument. Well, at least CCP agreed half of the points addressed by us and subsequently removed the items in questions, out of NEX Store. Still one issue remains: reparation & returning the disenfranchised owners to the previous financial conditions. Let's count all the times CCP has done that after altering something that an investor lost money on, shall we? Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2012.06.28 06:49:00 -
[358] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument. Well, at least CCP agreed half of the points addressed by us and subsequently removed the items in questions, out of NEX Store. Still one issue remains: reparation & returning the disenfranchised owners to the previous financial conditions. Let's count all the times CCP has done that after altering something that an investor lost money on, shall we?
Recent returns with the rare collectibles including Python, Asp, Anaconda, unique ores, Hellhound and rare Mining - Elite/UNUSED drones, and countless number of mine BPCs after their initial screw-up.
And this is crucial to strengthen the "invested people's" confidence in the CCP's corporate governance and marketing practices.
If CCP wants an effective marketing promotions, they need to resolve these issues first. |
Katie Frost
Asgard. Exodus.
59
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Posted - 2012.06.28 07:03:00 -
[359] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: If CCP continues to say "one-time" here and "limited-time" there, while having those goodies available for prices of *****, then the power of marketing diminishes and no one will eventually take CCP's marketing promotions seriously.
If you bought 13 PLEX just to obtain a shirt... then you sir, are an absolute moron. I am hoping that you bought the 13 PLEX for the 13 PLEX and the shirt was just a bonus. Looking at your whinging for the past 18 pages though, I am now quite certain you were after the interweb shirt .
It's like every other marketing strategy out there: buy one, get one free; for a limited time only you also get this; call within the next 30 minutes and we'll throw in this piece of junk for free. It's called MARKETING and one thing CCP can always bank on is stupidity of people, no matter what the market share is.
So, why should CCP not take advantage of peoples stupidity and capitalise on it? People do it all the time, everywhere, in every way.
The funny thing is though, that you didn't even get ripped off. You just imagined that this was a special, one-time item. In fact, it was a one-time offer GÇô [b]referring to the 13 PLEX + shirt[b]. The "one-time" or "limited" had no relevance to the future availability of either PLEX or the shirt itself. You just imagined that part and are now calling it "word play" because your realised your stupidity in believing that this was a limited edition item, when it was never advertised as such.
If anything CCP should continue marketing in such a way because I am positive that there will always be lowest denominators in society that will do exactly what you have done and CCP will, and rightfully should, profit from it. Others will purchase the same shirt and sell it after a week to get even more profit out of it, because they were smart enough to realise that with ongoing upgrades and developments of the NEX store, any vanity item will become available and their value will drop.
I truly hope you donGÇÖt handle your own finances.
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2012.06.28 07:11:00 -
[360] - Quote
Katie Frost wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: If CCP continues to say "one-time" here and "limited-time" there, while having those goodies available for prices of *****, then the power of marketing diminishes and no one will eventually take CCP's marketing promotions seriously.
If you bought 13 PLEX just to obtain a shirt... then you sir, are an absolute moron. I am hoping that you bought the 13 PLEX for the 13 PLEX and the shirt was just a bonus. Looking at your whinging for the past 18 pages though, I am now quite certain you were after the interweb shirt . It's like every other marketing strategy out there: buy one, get one free; for a limited time only you also get this; call within the next 30 minutes and we'll throw in this piece of junk for free. It's called MARKETING and one thing CCP can always bank on is stupidity of people, no matter what the market share is. So, why should CCP not take advantage of peoples stupidity and capitalise on it? People do it all the time, everywhere, in every way. The funny thing is though, that you didn't even get ripped off. You just imagined that this was a special, one-time item. In fact, it was a one-time offer GÇô [b]referring to the 13 PLEX + shirt[b]. The "one-time" or "limited" had no relevance to the future availability of either PLEX or the shirt itself. You just imagined that part and are now calling it "word play" because your realised your stupidity in believing that this was a limited edition item, when it was never advertised as such. If anything CCP should continue marketing in such a way because I am positive that there will always be lowest denominators in society that will do exactly what you have done and CCP will, and rightfully should, profit from it. Others will purchase the same shirt and sell it after a week to get even more profit out of it, because they were smart enough to realise that with ongoing upgrades and developments of the NEX store, any vanity item will become available and their value will drop. I truly hope you donGÇÖt handle your own finances.
Here you are preaching me about finance, when you don't even understand the basic concept of "risk." There are indirect costs associated with purchasing needless 39 x PLEXs all at once, after having been incentivized by CCP to do so with unclear marketing promotions. Far more costs than merely the specified costs.
Before you start preaching me about finance, I suggest that you beef up on your understanding of finance and economics first. My finance is very sound, both here in EVE Online and outside the game, in RL situation. My only mistake was the assumption that I set when purchasing those PLEXs. I held CCP as a refutable company that does not resort to the marketing practices commonly utilized by cash-desperate - deceptive companies including Cryptics, Mythics, and Perfect Entertainment. |
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Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
0
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Posted - 2012.06.28 08:48:00 -
[361] - Quote
Well, seeing as the shirt in question is removed from the NeX Store, CCP still bends backwards for whiny bitches like OP.... By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.
-Abdiel Kavash
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2012.06.28 08:56:00 -
[362] - Quote
Dheeradj Esil wrote:Well, seeing as the shirt in question is removed from the NeX Store, CCP still bends backwards for whiny bitches like OP....
Whiny ***** with a valid reasoning, my community college friend. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
4217
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Posted - 2012.06.28 09:26:00 -
[363] - Quote
If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
10
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Posted - 2012.06.28 09:34:00 -
[364] - Quote
I'm sitting here like a lot of us admiring your unrelenting tenacity Antiquarian, I'd hate to get on the wrong side of you!
I've suggested a further fix on the marketing sister topic, you've still got 'what's right' on your side and dw any thread that goes this far usually attracts the usual flamers and haters.
Rarity collectors and Rarity resellers have as much value in this game as anyone else.
Right where's my Guardian Vexor, I left it here somewhere? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
391
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Posted - 2012.06.28 09:39:00 -
[365] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others.
I highly recommend you to try this amazing exercise of having to read hundreds of posts filled with a copious amount of insults and slurs aimed at you. Once you are done doing that little exercise, try writing hundreds of responses and at the same time, try your best to remain civil and composed. I guarantee you that by the time you reach your 100th post, grammar and usage of words will be the least of your concerns. |
Freezehunter
194
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Posted - 2012.06.28 09:42:00 -
[366] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Bumblefck wrote:If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others. I highly recommend you to try this amazing exercise of having to read hundreds of posts filled with a copious amount of insults and slurs aimed at you. Once you are done doing that little exercise, try writing hundreds of responses and at the same time, try your best to remain civil and composed. I guarantee you that by the time you reach your 100th post, grammar and usage of words will be the least of your concerns.
I hate you for being a rich idiot, The Antiquarian, but I have to agree with that last one you said.
CURSE ME AND MY NEUTRALITY.
I should be a judge. >.> Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
391
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Posted - 2012.06.28 09:47:00 -
[367] - Quote
Freezehunter wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Bumblefck wrote:If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others. I highly recommend you to try this amazing exercise of having to read hundreds of posts filled with a copious amount of insults and slurs aimed at you. Once you are done doing that little exercise, try writing hundreds of responses and at the same time, try your best to remain civil and composed. I guarantee you that by the time you reach your 100th post, grammar and usage of words will be the least of your concerns. I hate you for being a rich spoiled brat idiot that went to a college paid for by daddy, The Antiquarian, but I have to agree with that last one you said. CURSE ME AND MY NEUTRALITY. I should be a judge. >.>
I think I liked the post you wrote before the "edit" more. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
4218
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Posted - 2012.06.28 09:52:00 -
[368] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Bumblefck wrote:If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others. I highly recommend you to try this amazing exercise of having to read hundreds of posts filled with a copious amount of insults and slurs aimed at you. Once you are done doing that little exercise, try writing hundreds of responses and at the same time, try your best to remain civil and composed. I guarantee you that by the time you reach your 100th post, grammar and usage of words will be the least of your concerns.
Perhaps if you hadn't written about something that is so obviously provocative and trifling at the same time, you wouldn't have received the reaction you did. The best place for this would've probably been some pirvate communication between you and CCP - but you put it in a public arena for the delectation of the game's playerbase. As it is, what exactly are you hoping to achieve by this thread, if not self-flagellation and an outpouring of rich man anguish?
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Freezehunter
194
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:10:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Freezehunter wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Bumblefck wrote:If I were you OP (thank goodness I'm not!), I'd go back and read through a few of your last posts, checking grammar and word choice, before bringing out the old 'community college' burn on others. I highly recommend you to try this amazing exercise of having to read hundreds of posts filled with a copious amount of insults and slurs aimed at you. Once you are done doing that little exercise, try writing hundreds of responses and at the same time, try your best to remain civil and composed. I guarantee you that by the time you reach your 100th post, grammar and usage of words will be the least of your concerns. I hate you for being a rich spoiled brat idiot that went to a college paid for by daddy, The Antiquarian, but I have to agree with that last one you said. CURSE ME AND MY NEUTRALITY. I should be a judge. >.> I think I liked the post you wrote before the "edit" more.
Sorry dude, I added that because of that "Community College" crap you wrote.
Where I come from (which is not USA), making it into a state college/university is a great honor and it means you worked / studied your ass off to get there, even if you were poor, and that your college / college admission wasn't paid for by daddy's wallet.
Stop making snide remarks and people like me won't do it either, you are not the only educated person here, and some of us took the hard path to superior education, and we do not deserve your rude comments. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
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CCP t0rfifrans
C C P C C P Alliance
386
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:35:00 -
[370] - Quote
Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something... |
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Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
368
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:37:00 -
[371] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
I want a Loppy Frog cod piece please. If you thought those shirts sold fast, trust me, these will be even bigger sellers. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
327
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:40:00 -
[372] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote: In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
Bi-monocles you say? You might as well give them a radical new name like 'glasses'!
Fix FW ! |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
11
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:56:00 -
[373] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument. Well, at least CCP agreed half of the points addressed by us and subsequently removed the items in questions, out of NEX Store. Still one issue remains: reparation & returning the disenfranchised owners to the previous financial conditions. Let's count all the times CCP has done that after altering something that an investor lost money on, shall we?
+1! |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1539
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:58:00 -
[374] - Quote
DeBingJos wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote: In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
Bi-monocles you say? You might as well give them a radical new name like 'glasses'!
I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
648
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:12:00 -
[375] - Quote
So when's the Ishukone Scorpion rearing it's ugly head again?
The recent changes to the NeX, the new interest CCP is taking in the NeX, the new players' financial survey, are we on a new path to exactly where we were this time last year?
CCP, how about giving us a roadmap of the NeX for the next year? We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
84
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:16:00 -
[376] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
Are you saying that at a reasonable price, these dress-up items are a very popular commodity, yet as a rare collectible they are mostly 2 billion ISK trade bait to try and squeeze a few extra ISK out of the next guy dumb enough to buy it for the ISK equivalent of more than the cost of a real shirt?
I'm shocked, Torfi. Utterly shocked, man. CEO, Venture Racing Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8256
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:28:00 -
[377] - Quote
Anyway, I find it rather telling and karmatically (ehmGǪ yes) suitable that CCP can't dabble with the NeX without making a mess of it.
The universe is trying to tell you something, devsGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Ariel Marquette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:34:00 -
[378] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Anyway, I find it rather telling and karmatically (ehmGǪ yes) suitable that CCP can't dabble with the NeX without making a mess of it. The universe is trying to tell you something, devsGǪ
I think it's trying to tell them that their target market should indeed be the people that want to actually wear these items on their characters and may be enticed to buy a single PLEX to get enough AUR to do it (with some left for matching pixel pants).
Torfi, I would suggest that you make a knock-off version of the Ishukone shirt that is functionally identical (it looks exactly the same on a character), but you could put a different description in the database (it's made by a different designer or something). That way, the crybabies who just want to have an exclusive item can have their real Rolex, while the majority that simply wants to wear something that looks good can do that with the fake Rolex. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
214
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:43:00 -
[379] - Quote
CCP Spitfire wrote:DeBingJos wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote: In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
Bi-monocles you say? You might as well give them a radical new name like 'glasses'! I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'. Bifocals ??? Why won't CCP fix the ongoing FW issues? Fix the speed tanking of plexes |
Xhaiden Ora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.06.28 11:52:00 -
[380] - Quote
CCP Spitfire wrote:I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'.
Dual Phasic Space Wizard Cranial Viewports |
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
650
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:03:00 -
[381] - Quote
Ariel Marquette wrote:Tippia wrote:Anyway, I find it rather telling and karmatically (ehmGǪ yes) suitable that CCP can't dabble with the NeX without making a mess of it. The universe is trying to tell you something, devsGǪ I think it's trying to tell them that their target market should indeed be the people that want to actually wear these items on their characters and may be enticed to buy a single PLEX to get enough AUR to do it (with some left for matching pixel pants). Torfi, I would suggest that you make a knock-off version of the Ishukone shirt that is functionally identical (it looks exactly the same on a character), but you could put a different description in the database (it's made by a different designer or something). That way, the crybabies who just want to have an exclusive item can have their real Rolex, while the majority that simply wants to wear something that looks good can do that with the fake Rolex.
Ah ah ah.....be careful what you ask for. Functionally identical......a $2 t-shirt is functionally identical to a $100 t-shirt. Sure, they both serve the purpose to cover the body but one has nicer fabrics and is generally more durable. Just like the Isukone Scorpion purportedly by CCP was functionally identical to the regular Scorpion. But, we couldn't get any more details on that other than it was "functionally identical". Some of us actually suspected it would be a p2w item beyond its paint scheme. And I do believe we are entering a period where the words we choose are going to become very very important when dealing with CCP in the next few months.
In the example of the Isukone Scorp.....functionally identical doesn't exactly convey identical characteristics. All BS's are functionally identical. That is to say functionally, they all kill things. How they do it and their efficacy is the real question.
I know I'm going off here about a t-shirt and it doesn't really make any difference in that situation. But I do smell a new effort by CCP to revamp the NeX, which isn't a bad thing except we seem to be taking the same route we did last year. The player financial survey is what is setting me off here. It proceeded the disasters of last year. So, just a word of warning folks.
Be vigilant and make sure to keep your hand on the brakes. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
327
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:05:00 -
[382] - Quote
Xhaiden Ora wrote:CCP Spitfire wrote:I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'. Dual Phasic Space Wizard Cranial Viewports
I think we have a winner!
Fix FW ! |
Jason Auralis
Maximum Technologies
5
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:05:00 -
[383] - Quote
One is really enough thank you. http://i.imgur.com/mW5x1.jpg
I would like to see more of just general options. Seriously. The more items that can be baught with aurum means the more items that can be baught with aurum to be sold for isk. A big problem with devaluation is simply because these items arent consummed like plex. Eventually everyone who is going to consume one buys it up so it turns into a flooded market.
"Could I request that ISD please lock my shirt into my trousers?" --áLilliana Stelles 2012.06.25 Never forget. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8259
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:07:00 -
[384] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:In the example of the Isukone Scorp.....functionally identical doesn't exactly convey identical characteristics. All BS's are functionally identical. That is to say functionally, they all kill things. How they do it and their efficacy is the real question. The main problem with the Ishukone Scorp was that, since the NeX was, and still is, in early beta-áalpha-ápre-prototype, it would generate items out of thin air and bypass the entire industryGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:17:00 -
[385] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
CCP fashion police. I told you. Here they are. Space supermodels faith is restored.
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Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
77
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:17:00 -
[386] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:In the example of the Isukone Scorp.....functionally identical doesn't exactly convey identical characteristics. All BS's are functionally identical. That is to say functionally, they all kill things. How they do it and their efficacy is the real question. The main problem with the Ishukone Scorp was that, since the NeX was, and still is, in early beta-á alpha-ápre-prototype, it would generate items out of thin air and bypass the entire industryGǪ
This was the main problem as I saw it back then. The only 'safe' way to do it would be to trade in an existing normal scorpion plus aurum to get the ishukone scorpion - that way the industrialists wouldn't be screwed out of the game.
Of course, pretty soon it wont matter since there wont BE any industrialists (outside of 0.0 anyway) so buying a ship out of thin air for aurim could become the ONLY way to get a scorpion of any kind. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
327
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:19:00 -
[387] - Quote
Obsidian Dagger wrote:
Of course, pretty soon it wont matter since there wont BE any industrialists (outside of 0.0 anyway) so buying a ship out of thin air for aurim could become the ONLY way to get a scorpion of any kind.
Wait, did I miss something? Fix FW ! |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:22:00 -
[388] - Quote
Obsidian Dagger wrote:Tippia wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:In the example of the Isukone Scorp.....functionally identical doesn't exactly convey identical characteristics. All BS's are functionally identical. That is to say functionally, they all kill things. How they do it and their efficacy is the real question. The main problem with the Ishukone Scorp was that, since the NeX was, and still is, in early beta-á alpha-ápre-prototype, it would generate items out of thin air and bypass the entire industryGǪ This was the main problem as I saw it back then. The only 'safe' way to do it would be to trade in an existing normal scorpion plus aurum to get the ishukone scorpion - that way the industrialists wouldn't be screwed out of the game. Of course, pretty soon it wont matter since there wont BE any industrialists (outside of 0.0 anyway) so buying a ship out of thin air for aurim could become the ONLY way to get a scorpion of any kind.
Maybe Mechwarrior Online. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
368
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:37:00 -
[389] - Quote
Har Harrison wrote:CCP Spitfire wrote:DeBingJos wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote: In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
Bi-monocles you say? You might as well give them a radical new name like 'glasses'! I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'. Bifocals ???
Beer goggles, I'm working on a version for the forums, they make even posts by people like NIckyYo enjoyable. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Alaura Aquila
Sarz'na Khumatari
7
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:43:00 -
[390] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
Will the shirts we bought for 500 Aur be deleted after the "fix"? |
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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
34
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Posted - 2012.06.28 13:07:00 -
[391] - Quote
Perhaps the best solution would be to have a slightly modified version for those who bought the AUR version of the shirt, or would people prefer getting the AUR refunded. Maybe add a new color/version and refund so people have the option to rebuy the new version of the shirt. I wouldn't mind this at all and people can get both versions much like the two Quafe shirts. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1009
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Posted - 2012.06.28 13:08:00 -
[392] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
Since you've asked for opinions on this, here's mine:
You shouldn't sell bi-monocles. You also shouldn't be selling mono-monocles, shirts, jackets, trouser, boots or anything else in your shop. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
228
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Posted - 2012.06.28 13:30:00 -
[393] - Quote
Never trust in the NEX store. And by the way, you should have taken the jeans.
GREED IS GOOD EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Denaris Aschanna
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.06.28 13:47:00 -
[394] - Quote
Dammit! I missed it, I've been after one of those shirts for ages, and now they're out of the NeX the prices have shot up to 300M+.. some people are gonna profit from this, and good for them!
Just wish I hadn't been away the past few days, and managed to snag one before they were withdrawn from sale.
I'll be interested to see what CCP come up with to appease everybody, but I'm certainly not paying out 300M for one.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
205
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:06:00 -
[395] - Quote
I'd like to thank the OP as right now I'm having to deal with a fuckwit who works for the evil empire and is laughingly called a "Support Operative".
I needed a bloody good laugh and this thread delivers |
Atrocitus Parallax
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:07:00 -
[396] - Quote
No wonder CCP is wary of clothing changes!
You can come for our ships, you can come for our guns, you can take our resources, you can take our homes, but you will never, NEVAAA take our T-shirts RAWR!!!!!
Maybe a deep breath and a relaxer are due, followed by thanking CCP for new items, and also or saying they are addressing the issue. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
545
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:08:00 -
[397] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1. I'm glad you removed the Women's Executor Coat (red/gold) that was seeded in the NeX as well. Maybe the easiest fix is to do a similar rollback as you did when you wiped random collectibles a few months ago. Anything that was seeded before 1.1 remains as it is, anything that was bought from NeX after 1.1 is swapped for a different colour version that is re-added to the NeX. The (green/gold) version of the women's executor coat would work well. As for the Ishukone shirt, no idea what a suitable replacement would be. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Pierre Echerie
Horseshoe Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:25:00 -
[398] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:[quote=CCP t0rfifrans]... Anything that was seeded before 1.1 remains as it is, anything that was bought from NeX after 1.1 is swapped for a different colour version that is re-added to the NeX. The (green/gold) version of the women's executor coat would work well. As for the Ishukone shirt, no idea what a suitable replacement would be.
Might be nice, so long as they don't mess it up again, like swapping the Ishukone for green/gold female Executor, or replacing male red/gold esquire with green :) That would've been just RICH |
Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
2
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:28:00 -
[399] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote: As for the Ishukone shirt, no idea what a suitable replacement would be.
Why, a Kaalakiota shirt of course.
Actually, scratch that, I want Templis Dragonaurs shirt..... By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.
-Abdiel Kavash
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Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
11
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:57:00 -
[400] - Quote
Now that's weird, Antiquarian hasn't posted for two pages now, I hope he's ok....
Quick someone flame him and wake him up again. |
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CCP t0rfifrans
C C P C C P Alliance
392
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:20:00 -
[401] - Quote
Virgil Travis wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote:In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something... I want a Loppy Frog cod piece please. If you thought those shirts sold fast, trust me, these will be even bigger sellers. The problem is that it wouldn't show in your portrait. We'd have to make changes to the camera code to allow for non-facial portraits. |
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CCP t0rfifrans
C C P C C P Alliance
392
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:20:00 -
[402] - Quote
Alaura Aquila wrote: Will the shirts we bought for 500 Aur be deleted after the "fix"?
Nope! |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
393
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:28:00 -
[403] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote: Will the shirts we bought for 500 Aur be deleted after the "fix"?
Nope!
Thank you for providing us with prompt responses. In that case, could you kindly let us know what is being planned to provide a fair and appropriate compensation for the investors who were disenfranchised by the devaluation of their investments on Ishukone Special Edition & Women's Executor (Red/Gold)?
Wouldn't it be only fair that we are compensated for another set of unique items currently non-existant in the market as part of returning our financials to the previous status while simultaneously providing us with the reparation for all the inconvenience this issue has caused? |
Pierre Echerie
Horseshoe Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:29:00 -
[404] - Quote
Any chance we could see some stats, like how many of those unique items were in game before the screw-up, and how many are now, after?
'Cause if there were a few items here and there, and now a couple hundred, then, yes, we do need something done. If, however, there was about 100 or so Ishukones or 200 red Execs, and now there are, say, 120 Ish and 250 Execs, I'd say it doesn't warrant any serious intervention, and the market will just return to normal in a week or so. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2127
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:39:00 -
[405] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
A high end "collectible" version along with a similar, but less shiney standard version would be a good idea. Same logo, but more of a matt material for the shirt itself.
Frankly I think you would do a brisk business this concept for all NPC corps and militarys. People that specialize in running missions for a particular NPC corp would probably get a kick out of wearing the uniform.
Perhaps some day players will be able to freely seek official employment (beyond missions) from any NPC corp they choose, and have game play (perhaps Incarna based) around that concept... but that is for another thread.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
74
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:50:00 -
[406] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote: I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
If you really want to go there: consider over the top Jewelry - Necklaces and ornate head pieces. |
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:54:00 -
[407] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
I think rather then creating special bi-monocle items you should make its so items can be added to each eye individually. for mixing and matching. |
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CCP t0rfifrans
C C P C C P Alliance
397
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:10:00 -
[408] - Quote
Joelleaveek wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
I think rather then creating special bi-monocle items you should make its so items can be added to each eye individually. for mixing and matching. Differently colored monocles in each eye? Would that not classify as a crime of fashion? |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
4222
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:10:00 -
[409] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: In that case, could you kindly let us know what is being planned to provide a fair and appropriate compensation for the investors who were disenfranchised by the devaluation of their investments on Ishukone Special Edition & Women's Executor (Red/Gold)?
I don't think you fully understand what 'disenfranchised' means. I think you may have to return to this hallowed community college of yours.
As a side note, I think that it's rather laughable you got upset through the re-organisation of this fairyland item. I additionally think it's amusing that you're asking for a replacement rare item to 'compensate'. The bottom line is that you bought this t-shirt and it was delivered as stated by CCP. Did you ever say 'It's too tight', or 'It doesn't match with my second-rate Star Trek wizard cloak'? No? Fit for purpose then.
Fake edit: yes, I realise there is a secondary, ancillary meaning of 'being deprived of power and/or marginalised', but the primary meaning refers to being excluded from the electoral system.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
4222
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:11:00 -
[410] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Joelleaveek wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
I think rather then creating special bi-monocle items you should make its so items can be added to each eye individually. for mixing and matching. Differently colored monocles in each eye? Would that not classify as a crime of fashion?
It works for David Bowie and he's pretty fashionable.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
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Totalrx
NA No Assholes Silver Twilight Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:18:00 -
[411] - Quote
On a side note:
You gotta love how the Dev's trolled their own response with such artistry that everyone jumped on board lol! |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
393
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:27:00 -
[412] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: In that case, could you kindly let us know what is being planned to provide a fair and appropriate compensation for the investors who were disenfranchised by the devaluation of their investments on Ishukone Special Edition & Women's Executor (Red/Gold)?
I don't think you fully understand what 'disenfranchised' means. I think you may have to return to this hallowed community college of yours. As a side note, I think that it's rather laughable you got upset through the re-organisation of this fairyland item. I additionally think it's amusing that you're asking for a replacement rare item to 'compensate'. The bottom line is that you bought this t-shirt and it was delivered as stated by CCP. Did you ever say 'It's too tight', or 'It doesn't match with my second-rate Star Trek wizard cloak'? No? Fit for purpose then.
Ummm... no. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
393
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:30:00 -
[413] - Quote
In response to the Dev's comment, more diversity in cosmetic items in NeX Store = win-win situation for everyone. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1302
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:40:00 -
[414] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote: Will the shirts we bought for 500 Aur be deleted after the "fix"?
Nope! Thank you for providing us with prompt responses. In that case, could you kindly let us know what is being planned to provide a fair and appropriate compensation for the investors who were disenfranchised by the devaluation of their investments on Ishukone Special Edition & Women's Executor (Red/Gold)? Wouldn't it be only fair that we are compensated for another set of unique items currently non-existant in the market as part of returning our financials to the previous status while simultaneously providing us with the reparation for all the inconvenience this issue has caused?
I am working with Torfi to resolve this situation for everyone as quickly as possible. As this affects several hundred pilots we want to make sure that we are doing it right and as fairly to everyone as possible.
There are two different scenarios here and the issue of the Ishukone shirt and Executor coat are different. I will explain why:
Ishukone Sterling Shirt - Issued over a very specific time frame. This item should only be valid for pilots who participated in the PLEX offer which happened in October 2011.
Women's Executor Coat -Part of the Russian Collectors edition which is still in circulation. While still a rare item, there will be more added to the game naturally as more people pick up a copy of the Russian box.
I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours. CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
393
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:44:00 -
[415] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote: Will the shirts we bought for 500 Aur be deleted after the "fix"?
Nope! Thank you for providing us with prompt responses. In that case, could you kindly let us know what is being planned to provide a fair and appropriate compensation for the investors who were disenfranchised by the devaluation of their investments on Ishukone Special Edition & Women's Executor (Red/Gold)? Wouldn't it be only fair that we are compensated for another set of unique items currently non-existant in the market as part of returning our financials to the previous status while simultaneously providing us with the reparation for all the inconvenience this issue has caused? I am working with Torfi to resolve this situation for everyone as quickly as possible. As this affects several hundred pilots we want to make sure that we are doing it right and as fairly to everyone as possible. There are two different scenarios here and the issue of the Ishukone shirt and Executor coat are different. I will explain why: Ishukone Sterling Shirt - Issued over a very specific time frame. This item should only be valid for pilots who participated in the PLEX offer which happened in October 2011. Women's Executor Coat -Part of the Russian Collectors edition which is still in circulation. While still a rare item, there will be more added to the game naturally as more people pick up a copy of the Russian box. I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours.
Thank you very much, CCP Spitfire, CCP Navigator, and CCP t0rfifrans. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
11
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:45:00 -
[416] - Quote
It's good to see some prompt action in removing the two offending items from the NEX store. A lot of us have been very badly burnt by this and we're looking forward to a properly considered solution.
Some suggestions:
1: We would VERY much like to see some statistics on how many red/black coats and ishukone shirts existed prior to the NEX store release vs how many exist now. You will probably have to come up with these statistics anyway when working out how to solve this problem, so it would be nice if you could share them with us.
2: Clearly it would be bad to remove the items that were purchased at 500 AUR, but perhaps they can be changed? I expect you will have database backups going back a few days, so you could find all the people that had these items in their hangars, on the market, on contracts or being worn during downtime on the day before the NEX release. Then each of these people can be compensated with a new version of the same shirt (give it a different name, no need for different artwork).
3: Consider removing "limited edition" from the name of the now VERY common ishukone shirt.
4: "Ishukone Sterling Shirt - Issued over a very specific time frame. This item should only be valid for pilots who participated in the PLEX offer which happened in October 2011. " ... Don't forget the pilots who purchased this item on the market at a huge price, expecting to receive something unique in return!
Keep up the good work. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1531
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:13:00 -
[417] - Quote
Nice to see a resolution to this in the works.
But let's face it. It was a massive screw up and needs to be prevented in the future.
The fix is as simple as putting a flag on unique items so that when things are shunted from one department to another there will not be any accidental additions to the NeX store. If this had been done, Torfi would have seen it and known not to add these items to the Exchange.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
393
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:23:00 -
[418] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Nice to see a resolution to this in the works. But let's face it. It was a massive screw up and needs to be prevented in the future. The fix is as simple as putting a flag on unique items so that when things are shunted from one department to another there will not be any accidental additions to the NeX store. If this had been done, Torfi would have seen it and known not to add these items to the Exchange. Mr Epeen
That is absolutely true. Could you provide us with some kind of assurance that these unique/rare items associated with certain events/promotions/history will not be susceptible to this kind of devaluation via unintentional introduction into NeX Store or other future marketing promotions?
Collecting is not the most popular profession, but it is still part of this so-called "sand box" experience. Collectors should not play this game with this constant fear that their investments will be devalued by future marketing promotions. |
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CCP t0rfifrans
C C P C C P Alliance
403
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:07:00 -
[419] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:But let's face it. It was a massive screw up ..., Torfi would have seen it and known not to add these items to the Exchange. In retrospect yes, but to be frank the NeX store has been in stasis for quite a while and the people that added the Ishukone shirt originally had moved on to other CCP offices or other companies and we didn't have a centralized database of what assets had been used where. We do now.
Plus, I've done worse. |
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Joe Skellington
Sarz'na Khumatari THE UNTHINKABLES
66
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:32:00 -
[420] - Quote
LOL, where do you hang out in game?
Please note that ASCII art is not permitted in the forum signatures. Spitfire |
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CCP t0rfifrans
C C P C C P Alliance
403
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:41:00 -
[421] - Quote
Joe Skellington wrote:LOL, where do you hang out in game? Jove space? |
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
36
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:41:00 -
[422] - Quote
Great to hear that it's being looked at. I was in some pretty epic nerd rage yesterday when my 2bil shirt suddenly hit 35mil in value. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
Tony Two Bullet
Monocle Madness The Mockers AO
84
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:47:00 -
[423] - Quote
Monocle Madness approves of Dual Wielding Monocles.
CEO-á Monocle Madness ~ Mega-Insane Lotteries for the Mentally Unstable http://www.monoclemadness.com |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
226
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:06:00 -
[424] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote: Ah ah ah.....be careful what you ask for. Functionally identical......a $2 t-shirt is functionally identical to a $100 t-shirt. Sure, they both serve the purpose to cover the body but one has nicer fabrics and is generally more durable. Just like the Isukone Scorpion purportedly by CCP was functionally identical to the regular Scorpion. But, we couldn't get any more details on that other than it was "functionally identical". Some of us actually suspected it would be a p2w item beyond its paint scheme. And I do believe we are entering a period where the words we choose are going to become very very important when dealing with CCP in the next few months.
In the example of the Isukone Scorp.....functionally identical doesn't exactly convey identical characteristics. All BS's are functionally identical. That is to say functionally, they all kill things. How they do it and their efficacy is the real question.
I know I'm going off here about a t-shirt and it doesn't really make any difference in that situation. But I do smell a new effort by CCP to revamp the NeX, which isn't a bad thing except we seem to be taking the same route we did last year. The player financial survey is what is setting me off here. It proceeded the disasters of last year. So, just a word of warning folks.
Be vigilant and make sure to keep your hand on the brakes.
Your definition of functionally identical seems rather broad. Especially in terms of the Isukone Scorp. The published stats indicated that "functionally identical" meant the ship was identical in all ways including stats and fitting and only differed in appearance and description. The idea that all BS's are functionally identical, even using the term more liberally, seems to severely underplay the differences between ships. |
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:07:00 -
[425] - Quote
I think I love you. GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á
never forget
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Dheeradj Esil
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
2
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:11:00 -
[426] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:But let's face it. It was a massive screw up ..., Torfi would have seen it and known not to add these items to the Exchange. In retrospect yes, but to be frank the NeX store has been in stasis for quite a while and the people that added the Ishukone shirt originally had moved on to other CCP offices or other companies and we didn't have a centralized database of what assets had been used where. We do now. Plus, I've done worse.
This is......I think......
I love you.... By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.
-Abdiel Kavash
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AetomHaert Mother
Star Frontiers THORN Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.06.29 19:29:00 -
[427] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:ADDENDUMISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT & WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD)Judging by the CCPGÇÖs recent action to remove the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, it shows CCPGÇÖs admittance on their mistake to release those two items on the NEX Store in the first place. Removing those two items is an appropriate first step, but that does not provide any reparation for those who were adversely affected by CCPGÇÖs marketing failure. Those who took the GÇ£leap of faithGÇ¥ in CCPGÇÖs are still disenfranchised by seeing billions of their initial investments on these unique shirts turned to GÇ£dustGÇ¥ due to the untold number of those shirts being circulated out into the market, thanks to CCPGÇÖs mistake of releasing those items for $0.50 on NEX Store.Obviously CCP can not take away hundreds of ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT and WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD) that were purchased for $0.50 post the recent patch. CCP needs to make appropriate reparations in forms of another completely unique items to the previous owners of those rare apparels. That is the only GÇ£justGÇ¥ and GÇ£equitableGÇ¥ action.
I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again. You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items. But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this? CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH! CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items. Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase. So far, this has been the message that CCP has indirectly expressed to all the supporters of Noble Exchange, cash for PLEXs, and all other marketing schemes: "Thank you for your contribution. You assumed the risk and this is what you get. You will be the laughing stock of the entire community of EVE Online. We will remain mute for the rest of the period. Oh!! And don't forget: we are here sitting behind the desk, laughing at you too!"Please refer to the following post on the Market Discussion for those who were adversely affected by CCP's recent flooding of pre-existing rare/unique outfits on NEX Store for fraction of their initial costs.
lol, U mad bro?
I honestly cant think of anything else to say. HTFU, or conversely, can I have your stuff? |
Doc Mulder
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.06.29 19:36:00 -
[428] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Doc Mulder wrote:I think it's funny.
Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too... I think it's funny too. What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item... Wait a minute. Are you teling me my 8088 is obsolete? That really sucks man...
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Rikula
Opur
10
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Posted - 2012.06.30 02:29:00 -
[429] - Quote
I suppose then the release of this plan is waiting until after the weekend?
Unless I missed it being posted somewhere else! |
Ruger Cynbal
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.30 03:07:00 -
[430] - Quote
Atleast no one lost their Boot.ini files. |
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Croniac
RADIO RAMPAGE Cascade Imminent
28
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Posted - 2012.06.30 03:08:00 -
[431] - Quote
CCP Spitfire wrote:DeBingJos wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote: In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
Bi-monocles you say? You might as well give them a radical new name like 'glasses'! I believe the correct scientific term is 'binoculars'.
Or spectacles. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1433
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Posted - 2012.06.30 04:19:00 -
[432] - Quote
Dislike button You don't know.|||You REALLY don't know.|||See you drivin round town |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
122
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Posted - 2012.06.30 05:32:00 -
[433] - Quote
Can we get an assurance from CCP personnel this exact situation won't happen with "blue" Quafe t-shirts in the nearest future? I've silently sold my stock already (purchased for ~180mil a year ago, sold for 300+) but kept one - just in case it will remain "rare". |
Jett0
Surface Warfare The 99 Percent
148
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Posted - 2012.06.30 05:36:00 -
[434] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
Put a fedora up at that price and I bet it'll sell. Occasionally plays sober |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
162
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Posted - 2012.06.30 06:23:00 -
[435] - Quote
I am surprised that CCP would release an identical shirt for a much lower price. Are you sure it's completely identical? It's not a different color or anything? If so, then I really hope they reimburse you for that. By and large, it isn't a huge drag on the EVE economy, but it's a really harsh blow to a handful of players, and they should take that seriously.
Even if I were a selfish prick (which, unfortunately, I'm not) I would feel much better if they reimbursed you, because that would make me feel more safe and secure. I'd be willing to make large investments in EVE, thinking that if a programming error ever took MY stuff away, I would be reimbursed. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
15
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Posted - 2012.06.30 14:18:00 -
[436] - Quote
Any news on this topic? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
500
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Posted - 2012.07.01 01:51:00 -
[437] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:Any news on this topic?
Any news on this topic? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
502
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Posted - 2012.07.02 05:53:00 -
[438] - Quote
Are we going to be hearing any response fro CCP soon regarding the matter of reparation? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
777
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Posted - 2012.07.02 05:54:00 -
[439] - Quote
They were taken off the market, holy crap the whining. Your 'investment' was never guaranteed, enjoy your losses. Why did you take my wings away? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
502
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Posted - 2012.07.02 05:58:00 -
[440] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:They were taken off the market, holy crap the whining. Your 'investment' was never guaranteed, enjoy your losses.
Umm no. There are certain individuals with billions of assets tied to those investments. Even if CCP did pull those items back, CCP's previous mistake irreparably damaged the original investment that went in to fund those clothings. Ishukone was selling for 1.1B-1.5B (it went up to approximately 2B during the early stage of marketing), but now, despite the CCP's corrective measure, the price is only merely FRACTION of the original cost prior to the marketing debacle.
I will stop complaining when ALL THE PARTIES that were adversely affected, are justly and equitably compensated. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
502
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Posted - 2012.07.02 06:02:00 -
[441] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:They were taken off the market, holy crap the whining. Your 'investment' was never guaranteed, enjoy your losses.
And of course we understand that nothing is guaranteed but we can all make logical assumptions based on the past history of CCP's marketing promotions. For one, we assumed that CCP was a reputable company that joins pantheon of other amazing companies that are absolutely serious when they advertise that certain ingames are obtainable via through "one-time-deal" only. Second, we assumed that although nothing is guaranteed, CCP would never take a drastic action that would deprive investors in a brink of seconds for no apparent reasons.
We are asking for compensation for all the BS that we have been enduring for a week or so. We have every right to whine and moan, until an appropriate compensation is made AND with a CLEAR STATEMENT from CCP regarding their future marketing promotions and promises that they won't reintroduce old historical items again. |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
30
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Posted - 2012.07.02 06:35:00 -
[442] - Quote
I would pay to have the ability to remove clothes... Not buy new.
XXX EvE would be awesome. |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.07.02 07:30:00 -
[443] - Quote
How is this a threadnought.
It's not that hard to understand,ccp made x amount of t-shirts to go.with the promotion. The promotion number was not reached so ccp had surplus stock left. In oder to get rid of the stock they sell it of at a discount.
There is not a shop in the world that would not and has not done this.
CCP only failing was to not set a proper discount price on the original offer to insure that all promotional items were snapped up.
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
502
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:33:00 -
[444] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:How is this a threadnought.
It's not that hard to understand,ccp made x amount of t-shirts to go.with the promotion. The promotion number was not reached so ccp had surplus stock left. In oder to get rid of the stock they sell it of at a discount.
There is not a shop in the world that would not and has not done this.
CCP only failing was to not set a proper discount price on the original offer to insure that all promotional items were snapped up.
No. The concept of "surplus / excessive inventory" only applies to physical goods. |
Bree Okanata
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
26
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:39:00 -
[445] - Quote
Marketing Malpractice to me is having the Amarr shirt in the EVE store cheaper than the other race's shirts (Though I get it, it is made by slaves).
Also, I didn't see an Amarr shot glass, whereas Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar have ones. How am I supposed to get a full set? Those Amarrian prudes don't like booze? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
502
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:40:00 -
[446] - Quote
Bree Okanata wrote:Marketing Malpractice to me is having the Amarr shirt in the EVE store cheaper than the other race's shirts (Though I get it, it is made by slaves).
Also, I didn't see an Amarr shot glass, whereas Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar have ones. How am I supposed to get a full set? Those Amarrian prudes don't like booze?
Hahahaha
A perfectly valid questions for CCP Devs when they provide answer regarding compensation later today. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
504
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:21:00 -
[447] - Quote
We were told that CCP would inform us of its decision regarding compensation for the devaluation of our investments two days ago. Is there a reason to this silence? |
Rikula
Opur
10
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:34:00 -
[448] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:We were told that CCP would inform us of its decision regarding compensation for the devaluation of our investments two days ago. Is there a reason to this silence?
Probably the weekend is the reason :) |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
504
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:41:00 -
[449] - Quote
Rikula wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:We were told that CCP would inform us of its decision regarding compensation for the devaluation of our investments two days ago. Is there a reason to this silence? Probably the weekend is the reason :)
Yup hehe just trying to entice our CCP to get back to us as soon as possible. I don't want this issue being postponed until the completion of the Alliance Tournament. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3802
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Posted - 2012.07.02 15:01:00 -
[450] - Quote
CCP Navigator I hope you realize you will make many more customers happy by driving The Antiquarian bonkers than by humoring him. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
504
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Posted - 2012.07.02 15:18:00 -
[451] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:CCP Navigator I hope you realize you will make many more customers happy by driving The Antiquarian bonkers than by humoring him.
Much appreciated for the bump. Still waiting for CCP's response. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
259
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Posted - 2012.07.02 15:42:00 -
[452] - Quote
People whining about their investments in the ingame RMT store. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3803
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Posted - 2012.07.02 16:09:00 -
[453] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:CCP Navigator I hope you realize you will make many more customers happy by driving The Antiquarian bonkers than by humoring him. Much appreciated for the bump. Still waiting for CCP's response. You're welcome! I, too, am excited about the potential response. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2012.07.02 16:14:00 -
[454] - Quote
This whole thing is a clear indication of the pettiness and truely empty lives some people live... Very tragic... |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1536
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Posted - 2012.07.02 16:18:00 -
[455] - Quote
Doc Severide wrote:This whole thing is a clear indication of the pettiness and truely empty lives some people live... Very tragic...
Says the spaceship nerd posting in the EVE-O forum on a beautiful summer day.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Romar Agent
Ishukone Regional Headquarters
64
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Posted - 2012.07.02 16:49:00 -
[456] - Quote
I do not understand the problem. It's not like you didn't get 13 PLEX for that money (worth over 5 billion ISK). |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
20
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Posted - 2012.07.02 17:06:00 -
[457] - Quote
Bump, where is the response to this? |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1399
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Posted - 2012.07.02 17:10:00 -
[458] - Quote
Hey Antiquarian did you figure out how to use the wiki yet to undo all that stuff I did to your article?
edit: well I'll be, he did |
Droodid
Antec Enterprises
5
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Posted - 2012.07.02 18:48:00 -
[459] - Quote
"Welcome to EVE. Here's a Rubik's cube. Go **** yourself." |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
545
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Posted - 2012.07.02 22:42:00 -
[460] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours. Greetings good Sir, have you come to a conclusion yet? Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
779
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Posted - 2012.07.03 01:11:00 -
[461] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours. Greetings good Sir, have you come to a conclusion yet? His silence is deafening, can't you hear it? Why did you take my wings away? |
Khalia Nestune
Mad Stacks
27
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Posted - 2012.07.03 01:13:00 -
[462] - Quote
Rond Dorlezahn wrote:If you bought 13 plex for cash to get a SHIRT, I have no sympathy whatsoever for your plight
^ this
http://www.mylootyourtears.com |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.07.03 01:58:00 -
[463] - Quote
Khalia Nestune wrote:Rond Dorlezahn wrote:If you bought 13 plex for cash to get a SHIRT, I have no sympathy whatsoever for your plight ^ this At that time it was the only way to get that shirt. I can see a reasonable expectation that it would have remained that way. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
779
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:19:00 -
[464] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Khalia Nestune wrote:Rond Dorlezahn wrote:If you bought 13 plex for cash to get a SHIRT, I have no sympathy whatsoever for your plight ^ this At that time it was the only way to get that shirt. I can see a reasonable expectation that it would have remained that way. Nope Why did you take my wings away? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2150
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:45:00 -
[465] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Doc Severide wrote:This whole thing is a clear indication of the pettiness and truely empty lives some people live... Very tragic... Says the spaceship nerd posting in the EVE-O forum on a beautiful summer day. Mr Epeen
It's been over 100-¦ here every day for the last two weeks, what s so beautiful about it...
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:51:00 -
[466] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote: .... In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? ...
lol... a dev trollin'...
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Y'nit Gidrine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 04:41:00 -
[467] - Quote
To the OP: Are you honestly asking a corporation to tell you what their future business plans will be before they know what their future business plans are? CCP has been - and is continuing to - experiment with how they can monetize the game so that they can pay off those loans they had to refinance back in October (the ones that were SUPPOSED to be paid with by micro transactions). How can they tell you what they are going to do in the future, when they don't know it yet themselves?
Consider this: HI BILLY MAYS HERE! I'M HERE TO TELL YOU ABOUT A LIMITED TIME OFFER OF TWO FREE MIGHTY PUTTIESGäó WITH YOUR ORDER OF OXICLEANGäó!!! BUT WAIT!!! IF YOU ORDER NOW, YOU ALSO GET A FREE MIGHTY PUTTY STEELGäó! BUT YOU BETTER ORDER NOW, THIS IS A LIMITED TIME OFFER AND IT WON'T LAST LONG!!!
What you are doing is the equivalent of getting upset that evil Billy Mays made a limited time offer where you get two free Mighty PuttiesGäó and one free Mighty Putty SteelGäó with your purchase of OxicleanGäó. You assumed that none of the products would ever be offered ever again. When in reality, it isn't the products which are "limited time only", but the combo deal with is a "limited time only". Everyone else seems to understand this (or at the very least isn't surprised by it).
Actually, your situation is even more (for lack of a better word) pathetic. You are effectively complaining that somebody else was allowed to purchase an air freshener that YOU got for free when you purchased a mercedes. Rational people do not buy a car so that they can get an air freshener, and they certainly do not get upset when the car company decides to offer air fresheners to other customers - even if the mercedes they bought only came with a free air freshener for a limited time only. You bought a mercedes, and your compensation was a mercedes. The complementary air freshener was a fringe benefit of marginal worth.
CCP's marketing was not deceptive unless they specifically stated that you would not be able to purchase the special t-shirt in any other way. YOU were the one who made this assumption, and by the looks of it, you don't have very much company. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.07.03 04:50:00 -
[468] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Khalia Nestune wrote:Rond Dorlezahn wrote:If you bought 13 plex for cash to get a SHIRT, I have no sympathy whatsoever for your plight ^ this At that time it was the only way to get that shirt. I can see a reasonable expectation that it would have remained that way. Nope Did you actually have a counter argument? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.07.03 04:55:00 -
[469] - Quote
Y'nit Gidrine wrote: CCP's marketing was not deceptive unless they specifically stated that you would not be able to purchase the special t-shirt in any other way. YOU were the one who made this assumption, and by the looks of it, you don't have very much company.
While it may not evidence the ultimate intent for this item, it's worth noting that CCP has already acknowledged the release of the items on the nex as a mistake. Arguing that the item can be bought separately and the "package deal" was a poor investment doesn't apply because if everything went as stated it should have, the shirts rarity and resulting value would have been preserved and that poor deal would have remained the only way to date to have gotten the item. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
157
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Posted - 2012.07.03 05:16:00 -
[470] - Quote
That's what you get for feeding CCP's greed. It looks like a snake, it smells like a snake, it hisses like a snake, it's tongue is forked like a snakes ... for god's sake, why did you pick it up? Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
779
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Posted - 2012.07.03 06:42:00 -
[471] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Did you actually have a counter argument? There is no argument here, just a lot of people laughing at you for failing at reading comprehension. Why did you take my wings away? |
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.07.03 09:50:00 -
[472] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Joelleaveek wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
I think rather then creating special bi-monocle items you should make its so items can be added to each eye individually. for mixing and matching. Differently colored monocles in each eye? Would that not classify as a crime of fashion?
Ha, 90% of the avatars in game are fashion criminals already.
I think one should be able to put a monocle in one eye, one of those creepy robot eyes in the other, and the wear sun glasses over it all.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3807
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 14:59:00 -
[473] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Khalia Nestune wrote:Rond Dorlezahn wrote:If you bought 13 plex for cash to get a SHIRT, I have no sympathy whatsoever for your plight ^ this At that time it was the only way to get that shirt. I can see a reasonable expectation that it would have remained that way. a reasonable expectation requires a reasonable person
a reasonable person does not spend $300 on virtual shirts
ergo it is impossible for there to be a reasonable expectation re: a $300 virtual shirt you purchased |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
506
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 15:09:00 -
[474] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Khalia Nestune wrote:Rond Dorlezahn wrote:If you bought 13 plex for cash to get a SHIRT, I have no sympathy whatsoever for your plight ^ this At that time it was the only way to get that shirt. I can see a reasonable expectation that it would have remained that way. a reasonable expectation requires a reasonable person a reasonable person does not spend $300 on virtual shirts ergo it is impossible for there to be a reasonable expectation re: a $300 virtual shirt you purchased
Not all reasonable folks think and value alike.
I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items. Some people dish out $600 for a seven course meal at the Fat Duck or $1,400 for a fourteen-course meal at El Bulli, while those who spend $8 at Olive Garden might think of those who dine at the Fat Duck or El Bulli as "unreasonable" or "regarded financially."
Just keep your high school logic to yourself. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3807
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 15:10:00 -
[475] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: Not all reasonable folks think and value alike.
the very point of the definition of a reasonable person is to exclude people who make bad choices
sorry, but you make bad choices |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3807
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 15:11:00 -
[476] - Quote
some people value things differently than others, that's why I went on a week-long coke bender and drove into a tree
who are you to tell me i am not a reasonable person
some people value things differently than others, that's why i spent $300 on a virtual item without understanding what words mean
who are you to tell me i am not a reasonable person |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
160
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 15:21:00 -
[477] - Quote
Here is super solution , we need Tailor profession in game and ability to patent clothes design. so every one become orginal and uniqe person in eve Teemo for president. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
228
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 17:52:00 -
[478] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Khalia Nestune wrote:Rond Dorlezahn wrote:If you bought 13 plex for cash to get a SHIRT, I have no sympathy whatsoever for your plight ^ this At that time it was the only way to get that shirt. I can see a reasonable expectation that it would have remained that way. a reasonable expectation requires a reasonable person a reasonable person does not spend $300 on virtual shirts ergo it is impossible for there to be a reasonable expectation re: a $300 virtual shirt you purchased Not a plex buyer, so the option for that shirt was never open to me. That aside, a reasonable expectation isn't and should be set according to the buyer. It's an action that requires the good faith of the seller. In this case the seller failed with that obligation and admitted it. We are only awaiting an announcement of the means by which they will attempt to make amends.
I get that you don't value the shirt according to what some others do, and neither do I, but that doesn't change the fact that there was an intended arrangement which CCP admittedly broke. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
228
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 17:52:00 -
[479] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Did you actually have a counter argument? There is no argument here, just a lot of people laughing at you for failing at reading comprehension. Care to explain? |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1605
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 17:54:00 -
[480] - Quote
When is the 'Dropping panties from NPCs' patch coming already....? |
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
746
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 17:55:00 -
[481] - Quote
Cloned S0ul wrote:Here is super solution , we need Tailor profession in game and ability to patent clothes design. so every one become orginal and uniqe person in eve Oh wait CCP already got this job ;)
I want to be Elim Garak from DS9 too!!! Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
506
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 21:08:00 -
[482] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: Not all reasonable folks think and value alike.
the very point of the definition of a reasonable person is to exclude people who make bad choices sorry, but you make bad choices
You still do not understand the concept of everyone having different values and interests. At this point, I am just going to assume that you are just a poor and miserable person with significantly less disposable income. If not, you would've understood this concept. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
506
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 21:09:00 -
[483] - Quote
And CCP, is there a reason why you are not letting us know of your decision? You claimed that you will provide us with information on Friday, but it's already Wednesday now. Do you really wish us to continue this senseless "debate" amongst us?
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3807
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 23:07:00 -
[484] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: You still do not understand the concept of everyone having different values and interests. At this point, I am just going to assume that you are just a poor and miserable person with significantly less disposable income. If not, you would've understood this concept.
"you can tell a real rich man, by the hissy fit he throws over his lost virtual shirt" |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3807
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 23:07:00 -
[485] - Quote
"only the poors would mock my hissy fit and mock my purchase of a $300 virtual shirt" |
CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 23:20:00 -
[486] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:And CCP, is there a reason why you are not letting us know of your decision? You claimed that you will provide us with information on Friday, but it's already Wednesday now. Do you really wish us to continue this senseless "moaning and bickering" amongst us?
Why not it's pretty ****ing funny |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
29
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 00:42:00 -
[487] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:You still do not understand the concept of everyone having different values and interests.
There are many non-material things in the world that have value, the code that software is made up of and the numbers on a bank account to name a few that everyone can relate to.
Then again ....
Doesn't CCP have a long standing proud tradition of releasing limited items/rewards as specific bonuses at some point to only re-release them a year later as a New Year's gift or so?
I sympathize with your plight, but I doubt it's wisdom to stick with the notion items in Eve might be unique. I hope you'll get your recompense but this isn't the first and likely won't be the last time something like it will happen. " Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
92
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 00:44:00 -
[488] - Quote
*sets up makeshift popcorn stall*
POPCORN, GETCHA POPCORN HERE!!
*waits with interest*
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Arcane Sun
Absense of Imagination
12
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 06:27:00 -
[489] - Quote
Almost a week and still no response, CCP troll is best troll.
Ya know, if they made clothing optional we probably wouldn't even be having this thread.
They should just give the original recipients of the shirt a provokingly large belt buckle, some really tight pants or at least a pimp cup to hold all their tears in. After all whats a shirt without the rest of the outfit? If at first you donGÇÖt succeed, call it version 1.0 |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
506
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 08:03:00 -
[490] - Quote
Arcane Sun wrote:Almost a week and still no response, CCP troll is best troll. Ya know, if they made clothing optional we probably wouldn't even be having this thread. They should just give the original recipients of the shirt a provokingly large belt buckle, some really tight pants or at least a pimp cup to hold all their tears in. After all whats a shirt without the rest of the outfit?
Or a provocatively visible golden crown with aurum tokens embellishing the sides.
Or a big fat hat that says "Fool." Either way, they are unique and I won't have any quarrel with em. |
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San Severina
Hoplite Brigade
11
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Posted - 2012.07.04 09:19:00 -
[491] - Quote
I know it's very late in the thread but I just had to weigh in with a good job OP for a very entertaining read. Oh and Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, suckers. |
Disdaine
414
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 11:20:00 -
[492] - Quote
They can't even remember to reply to this thread.
What's the chances they're going to remember about a shirt a year later.
You've seen goon personalities in this thread, now imagine one of them pulling the strings. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
506
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 14:24:00 -
[493] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:They can't even remember to reply to this thread.
What's the chances they're going to remember about a shirt a year later.
You've seen goon personalities in this thread, now imagine one of them pulling the strings.
This must be one of CCP's new tactics. Promising us with dev responses, but greeting us with absolute silence for the next several months, and then silently locking away the thread for "inactivity."
The promised response is 5-6 days overdue..... |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
21
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 14:32:00 -
[494] - Quote
Still awaiting the announced fixes. A lot of us are billions out of pocket over this. |
Arcane Sun
Absense of Imagination
13
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 17:26:00 -
[495] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Disdaine wrote:They can't even remember to reply to this thread.
What's the chances they're going to remember about a shirt a year later.
You've seen goon personalities in this thread, now imagine one of them pulling the strings. This must be one of CCP's new tactics. Promising us with dev responses, but greeting us with absolute silence for the next several months, and then silently locking away the thread for "inactivity." The promised response is 5-6 days overdue..... Since when is this new, CCP has been doing this for years.
If at first you donGÇÖt succeed, call it version 1.0 |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
30
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 19:26:00 -
[496] - Quote
Please, keep us updated on CCP's response, OP. " Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
508
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 20:54:00 -
[497] - Quote
Adalun Dey wrote:Please, keep us updated on CCP's response, OP.
Here is CCP's response for now.
"The Antiquarian wrote: Dear CCP Bayesian, could you politely "poke" our CCP t0rfifrans and kindly have him announce CCP's decision regarding the Ishukone Special Edition shirt & Women Executor (Red/Gold)? He promised that he will provide with the answers on Friday, but it's already been five days now.
CCP Bayesian: I poked him and the answer is that it's still being worked on." |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
755
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 20:59:00 -
[498] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Adalun Dey wrote:Please, keep us updated on CCP's response, OP. Here is CCP's response for now. "The Antiquarian wrote: Dear CCP Bayesian, could you politely "poke" our CCP t0rfifrans and kindly have him announce CCP's decision regarding the Ishukone Special Edition shirt & Women Executor (Red/Gold)? He promised that he will provide with the answers on Friday, but it's already been five days now.
CCP Bayesian: I poked him and the answer is that it's still being worked on."
Considering the obvious complexity of this issue, is it really surprising that a suitable and fair compromise is still being hashed out? Should I have my shirt taken off my back? Would that be fair? Because I knew nothing about the shirt originally being part of some special offer and bought mine in good faith. So how would you compensate me? Just give me back the Aurum I spent on it, maybe give me a free standard edition shirt as well?
When you can tell me what a fair compromise is, that's about the same time as you should expect a response about this from CCP. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
30
|
Posted - 2012.07.04 23:34:00 -
[499] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:When you can tell me what a fair compromise is, that's about the same time as you should expect a response about this from CCP.
I'm sure any piece of clothing that can't be attained through other channels would be considered fair compromise. Even a simple change in colors would make it unique. Maybe a shirt that says "Oops" would be nice as well. I think the issue is more to get something unique (limited), a collectible so to speak. What exactly matters less.
Right? " Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
782
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 01:54:00 -
[500] - Quote
You got a 24 page whine thread instead, enjoy. Why did you take my wings away? |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 03:55:00 -
[501] - Quote
Adalun Dey wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:When you can tell me what a fair compromise is, that's about the same time as you should expect a response about this from CCP. I'm sure any piece of clothing that can't be attained through other channels would be considered fair compromise. Even a simple change in colors would make it unique. Maybe a shirt that says "Oops" would be nice as well. I think the issue is more to get something unique (limited), a collectible so to speak. What exactly matters less. Right?
Agree absolutely |
Arcane Sun
Absense of Imagination
13
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 04:02:00 -
[502] - Quote
Adalun Dey wrote: I'm sure any piece of clothing that can't be attained through other channels would be considered fair compromise. Even a simple change in colors would make it unique. Maybe a shirt that says "Oops" would be nice as well. I think the issue is more to get something unique (limited), a collectible so to speak. What exactly matters less.
Right?
I keep throwing my money at the screen but nothing is happening! If at first you donGÇÖt succeed, call it version 1.0 |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 16:16:00 -
[503] - Quote
It's been a week already and we haven't received any response.
Are we suppose to spend the weekend again, waiting? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
783
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 16:36:00 -
[504] - Quote
Take the hint. Why did you take my wings away? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 16:39:00 -
[505] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Take the hint.
At least we are here to receive a promised compensation for CCP's mistake.
But you are here again and again, only to throw in trifle remarks with no value whatsoever. Do you really have nothing else to do? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
783
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 16:44:00 -
[506] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Take the hint. At least we are here to receive a promised compensation for CCP's mistake. But you are here again and again, only to throw in trifle remarks with no value whatsoever. Do you really have nothing else to do? Making fun of your idiocy is a valuable use of my time. Why did you take my wings away? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 17:21:00 -
[507] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Take the hint. At least we are here to receive a promised compensation for CCP's mistake. But you are here again and again, only to throw in trifle remarks with no value whatsoever. Do you really have nothing else to do? Making fun of your idiocy is a valuable use of my time.
Hahaha you are funny. You keep claiming that I am an "idiot." I haven't seen your tax returns so I am not sure about your current financial situation, but nevertheless, I am HIGHLY CONFIDENT that my net worth tops yours by many folds, and my financials are far more sound than yours.
If you are willing to provide me with your returns, I am more than willing to provide mine as well. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3811
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:09:00 -
[508] - Quote
the antiquarian, fresh off another round of humiliating himself, pulls out the "im rich irl so clearly i can't be as dumb as anyone who can read has concluded" card again
like before, it is made out of crayon and has stains from juice spills on it |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:17:00 -
[509] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:the antiquarian, fresh off another round of humiliating himself, pulls out the "im rich irl so clearly i can't be as dumb as anyone who can read has concluded" card again
like before, it is made out of crayon and has stains from juice spills on it
I am just providing an appropriate response for a fool who keeps insisting that I am an idiot. You and your Goon pals are so funny. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
786
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:19:00 -
[510] - Quote
I'm afraid that my tax returns requires reading comprehension in excess of that of an advertisement, therefore you would be unable to read or comprehend it, sorry. Why did you take my wings away? |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:24:00 -
[511] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:I'm afraid that my tax returns requires reading comprehension in excess of that of an advertisement, therefore you would be unable to read or comprehend it, sorry.
As a former accountant at Big Four and currently employed at J.P. Morgan, I can read and audit your pitiful returns and returns from your trailer trash company with ease. You can continue spitting out nonsensical bullshit. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:24:00 -
[512] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: I am just providing an appropriate response for a fool who keeps insisting that I am an idiot. You and your Goon pals are so funny.
there is, truly, no better sign that someone is a wealthy genius than their repeated insistence they are actually very rich, honest, in a thread about how they are the dumbest human alive |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
786
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:25:00 -
[513] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:I'm afraid that my tax returns requires reading comprehension in excess of that of an advertisement, therefore you would be unable to read or comprehend it, sorry. As a former accountant at Big Four and currently employed at J.P. Morgan, I can read and audit your pitiful returns and returns from your trailer trash company with ease. You can continue spitting out nonsensical bullshit. Advertisments = more complex than auditing tax returns c/d Why did you take my wings away? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:30:00 -
[514] - Quote
as ceo of JP Morgan, i have decreed you are fired |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:31:00 -
[515] - Quote
i am also ceo of all big four accounting firms and we have all disowned you |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:32:00 -
[516] - Quote
i have a number of other completely plausible claims that i will be making in the future as needed by the latest post mocking my credentials and intelligence |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:32:00 -
[517] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:i am also ceo of all big four accounting firms and we have all disowned you
Except you dumb Goon can't differentiate between a corporation and LLP. Big Four accounting firms do not have CEOs as heads. You dumb ****. |
Benjamin Eastwood
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:33:00 -
[518] - Quote
mmorpg lol wrote:aboo! aboo! The free lamborghini keychain I got with my lamborghini is now on sale for 5 bux. brb, suing lamborghini.
This is exactly how I see this.
+1
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8383
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:35:00 -
[519] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:As a former accountant at Big Four and currently employed at J.P. Morgan GǪyou're giving us a much better understanding of why Enron and WoldCom happened.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:37:00 -
[520] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:i am also ceo of all big four accounting firms and we have all disowned you Except you dumb Goon can't differentiate between a corporation and LLP. Big Four accounting firms do not have CEOs as heads. You dumb ****. i have decreed they do, in my latest completely plausible claim |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:37:00 -
[521] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:As a former accountant at Big Four and currently employed at J.P. Morgan GǪyou're giving us a much better understanding of why Enron and WoldCom happened.
Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:38:00 -
[522] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:i am also ceo of all big four accounting firms and we have all disowned you Except you dumb Goon can't differentiate between a corporation and LLP. Big Four accounting firms do not have CEOs as heads. You dumb ****. i have decreed they do, in my latest completely plausible claim
You Goons unanimously keep labeling me as an idiot and trying to dissuade me from asking for any reparation from CCP.
Do not worry. I still have 10,058 Goon tears to fuel me till I get Dev's response regarding appropriate compensations. Pretty handy work, don't you think? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8383
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:39:00 -
[523] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me. Yeah, no.
I'm just calling you incompetent and clueless about basic economics and finance, what with having worked at an accounting firm and all. And since I have to explain the joke, I suppose I should call you others things as wellGǪ
By the way, you should look into what happened at Enron and how. It's really fascinating from an accounting standpointGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1545
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:41:00 -
[524] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:i am also ceo of all big four accounting firms and we have all disowned you Except you dumb Goon can't differentiate between a corporation and LLP. Big Four accounting firms do not have CEOs as heads. You dumb ****.
Why do you let SA morons get your goat?
Just ignore them. Remember this. In the forum war you need to pick your targets even more carefully than you do in the actual game.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
510
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:41:00 -
[525] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:i am also ceo of all big four accounting firms and we have all disowned you Except you dumb Goon can't differentiate between a corporation and LLP. Big Four accounting firms do not have CEOs as heads. You dumb ****. i have decreed they do, in my latest completely plausible claim You Goons unanimously keep labeling me as an idiot and trying to dissuade me from asking for any reparation from CCP. Do not worry. I still have 10,058 Goon tears to fuel me till I get Dev's response regarding appropriate compensations. Pretty handy work, don't you think?
I have 5 trillion goon tears. So I guess CCP went and nerfed your tears too! |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:42:00 -
[526] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me. Yeah, no. I'm just calling you incompetent and clueless about basic economics and finance, what with having worked at an accounting firm and all.
Oh I am clueless about basic economics and finance? Could you kindly tell me from which great educational institution you received your economics and finance training? Could you kindly let me know at which firm you are working for right now? I bought those PLEXs to receive the shirt with valid reasonings and assumptions. You can keep telling me that I am an idiot, but I still get the last laugh while you dine at Country Kitchen Buffet. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8383
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:44:00 -
[527] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Oh I am clueless about basic economics and finance? You're complaining that your novelty keychain was available in the store for much more than you paid for it.
So yes.
Quote:I bought those PLEXs to receive the shirt with valid reasonings and assumptions. No. Your reasoning and assumptions disregarded standard marketing fare that has been around and worked the same sinceGǪ ohGǪ when did they first introduce mail order shopping? The 1800s? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:45:00 -
[528] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me. I'm a poor chum from the 99% and I still agree that there should be collectibles in Eve.
Even if I have none myself whatsoever.
All this E-peen sure is bumping this thread, it's also derailing it though. " Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 18:50:00 -
[529] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me. Yeah, no. I'm just calling you incompetent and clueless about basic economics and finance, what with having worked at an accounting firm and all. Oh I am clueless about basic economics and finance? Could you kindly tell me from which great educational institution you received your economics and finance training? Could you kindly let me know at which firm you are working for right now? I bought those PLEXs to receive the shirt with valid reasonings and assumptions. You can keep telling me that I am an idiot, but I still get the last laugh while you dine at Country Kitchen Buffet. i'm an economics and financial genius, as you can tell from the fact i assert i am
please don't try and interpret my economic and financial skill though analysis of my decision to invest $300 in the virtual shirt market |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
552
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:52:00 -
[530] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me. Yeah, no. I'm just calling you incompetent and clueless about basic economics and finance, what with having worked at an accounting firm and all. Oh I am clueless about basic economics and finance? Could you kindly tell me from which great educational institution you received your economics and finance training? Could you kindly let me know at which firm you are working for right now? I bought those PLEXs to receive the shirt with valid reasonings and assumptions. You can keep telling me that I am an idiot, but I still get the last laugh while you dine at Country Kitchen Buffet. i'm an economics and financial genius, as you can tell from the fact i assert i am please don't try and interpret my economic and financial skill though analysis of my decision to invest $300 in the virtual shirt market
as you are well aware, weaselior, goldman sachs and other esteemed financial institutions including jp morgan totally really do mean it we promise when they tell customers something is a good investment, so it really is reasonable that our op held ccp to the same standard. a standard with which he is intimately familiar, of course, seeing as he totally works there. promise. . |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:10:00 -
[531] - Quote
Adalun Dey wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me. I'm a poor chum from the 99% and I still agree that there should be collectibles in Eve. Even if I have none myself whatsoever. All this E-peen sure is bumping this thread, it's also derailing it though.
I wasn't looking for a fight here. I was expressing my humble plea to receive a fair and just compensation for CCP's mistake. All this moaning, whining, derailing threads will cease once we get an appropriate response from CCP Devs. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8383
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:14:00 -
[532] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I was expressing my humble plea to receive a fair and just compensation for CCP's mistake. Compensation for what? The inevitable?
You got something for free. GÇ£Fair and justGÇ¥ compensation = -¦0 ISK. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
510
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:15:00 -
[533] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Adalun Dey wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me. I'm a poor chum from the 99% and I still agree that there should be collectibles in Eve. Even if I have none myself whatsoever. All this E-peen sure is bumping this thread, it's also derailing it though. I wasn't looking for a fight here. I was expressing my humble plea to receive a fair and just compensation for CCP's mistake. All this moaning, whining, derailing threads will cease once we get an appropriate response from CCP Devs.
Been there done that. Lemme spoil the ending for you. You ain't getting anything. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:18:00 -
[534] - Quote
Aryth wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Adalun Dey wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me. I'm a poor chum from the 99% and I still agree that there should be collectibles in Eve. Even if I have none myself whatsoever. All this E-peen sure is bumping this thread, it's also derailing it though. I wasn't looking for a fight here. I was expressing my humble plea to receive a fair and just compensation for CCP's mistake. All this moaning, whining, derailing threads will cease once we get an appropriate response from CCP Devs. Been there done that. Lemme spoil the ending for you. You ain't getting anything.
"Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something..."
CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1546
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:19:00 -
[535] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:I was expressing my humble plea to receive a fair and just compensation for CCP's mistake. Compensation for what? The inevitable? You got something for free. GÇ£Fair and justGÇ¥ compensation = -¦0 ISK.
Still beating that dead horse, Tipps?
Might be time to click the blue bars, read with comprehension and admit you are either wrong or tell us how you know more than CCP devs about what happened here.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8383
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:24:00 -
[536] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Might be time to click the blue bars, read with comprehension and admit you are either wrong or tell us how you know more than CCP devs about what happened here. How am I wrong? Where do I claim to know more than the CCP devs?
The fact remains: he got something for free and he's pissed that others had to pay more for it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:36:00 -
[537] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Might be time to click the blue bars, read with comprehension and admit you are either wrong or tell us how you know more than CCP devs about what happened here. How am I wrong? Where do I claim to know more than the CCP devs? The fact remains: he got something for free and he's pissed that others had to pay more for it.
You enjoy repetition right? Here is one for you. Just for you.
"Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something..."
CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
22
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:43:00 -
[538] - Quote
Still waiting for suitable compensation.
Everybody else in this thread is just trolling, because inwardly they're sad that they too can't own luxury 13 PLEX shirts. |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
408
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:47:00 -
[539] - Quote
I WANT ALL THE MONOCLES. Damn nature, you scary! |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
510
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:52:00 -
[540] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Aryth wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Adalun Dey wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me. I'm a poor chum from the 99% and I still agree that there should be collectibles in Eve. Even if I have none myself whatsoever. All this E-peen sure is bumping this thread, it's also derailing it though. I wasn't looking for a fight here. I was expressing my humble plea to receive a fair and just compensation for CCP's mistake. All this moaning, whining, derailing threads will cease once we get an appropriate response from CCP Devs. Been there done that. Lemme spoil the ending for you. You ain't getting anything. "Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1. In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something..." CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment.
They said this to us too.
We still don't have anything.
They keep all the ISK at the Evetel California.
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
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Posted - 2012.07.05 19:54:00 -
[541] - Quote
Aryth wrote:
We still don't have anything.
They keep all the ISK at the Evetel California.
I am not too familiar with Goons' affairs. Could you be little more specific? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8383
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:09:00 -
[542] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment. Not really, no. They don't even mention anything related to it.
The reason I keep repeating myself is because you can't come up with a good answer or argument to the opposite: you got something for free that others had to pay for, and you seem to be upset that your free novelty keychain was available in the stores. Why should you be compensated for them having to pay more than you did?
Or, if you like: how am I wrong? Where do I claim to know more than the CCP devs? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:30:00 -
[543] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment. Not really, no. They don't even mention anything related to it. The reason I keep repeating myself is because you can't come up with a good answer or argument to the opposite: you got something for free that others had to pay for, and you seem to be upset that your free novelty keychain was available in the stores. Why should you be compensated for them having to pay more than you did? Or, if you like: how am I wrong? Where do I claim to know more than the CCP devs?
Since you love repeating things over and over again, I will do the same for you.
Here's CCP's response.
"Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something..." |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
509
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 20:33:00 -
[544] - Quote
Oh and my sincere apologies Tippia. I didn't even read your posting. No worth reading em anymore.
You can expect similar response for all your future postings.
CCP Dev admitted their mistake and they told us that they will provide us with a fair and just way to compensate us. All I am here for, is to wait for their response.
Not here to argue with you anymore, Tippia. You can keep saying blah blah blah.
All I hear from you (and will hear from you) is blah blah blah anyway. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
552
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:38:00 -
[545] - Quote
Admitting the mistake and saying "Let's find a way to make this as far to as many people as possible" is not code for "We're going to take away everyone else's shirts and leave you with your exclusive" or "We're going to leave the shirts in but give you your 13 plexes back" or something to that effect.
In other words, you're still unlikely to leave unhappy. . |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
786
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:48:00 -
[546] - Quote
"As fair to as many as possible" does not mean "fair to the extremely few collectors." Guess which side you're going to be on. Why did you take my wings away? |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
160
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:49:00 -
[547] - Quote
Fair would be the removal of Aurum from EVE. Just sayin'. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 05:22:00 -
[548] - Quote
Mechael wrote:Fair would be the removal of Aurum from EVE. Just sayin'.
That is a pathetic answer. There is nothing wrong with Aurum system. It provides additional cash inflow for CCP while having absolutely no impact on the pre-existing capusleers' gameplay.
It is a system only for those who are willing to spend their own money purely for cosmetic purpose. Do you think having CCP rely on "almost free-to-play" model by allowing capsuleers to fund their own subscription via ISK, sustainable in the long run?
More cash inflow => Higher valuation of the company => the cost of capital goes down for both, equity and debt => better financing options from willing banks and other investors => more employees, more gameplay, more expansions, more Dust, more WoD, more EVE Online, more compensated CCP employees, more quality contents => Win-Win situation for all the stakeholders.
Don't just think about the short-term. Think about what is best for EVE Online and CCP in the long-run for Christ's sake. |
Morgorathi
Unironically Bad Silver Dragonz
12
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Posted - 2012.07.06 05:30:00 -
[549] - Quote
I still find it funny this thread is going. Especially when 'The Antiquarian' isn't even wearing the shirt he has been bitching about for the last 26 pages. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:34:00 -
[550] - Quote
Morgorathi wrote:I still find it funny this thread is going. Especially when 'The Antiquarian' isn't even wearing the shirt he has been bitching about for the last 26 pages.
What kind of dumb logic is that? If I am bitching, whining, and moaning about the said item, I need to be wearing em? |
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Morgorathi
Unironically Bad Silver Dragonz
12
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:45:00 -
[551] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Morgorathi wrote:I still find it funny this thread is going. Especially when 'The Antiquarian' isn't even wearing the shirt he has been bitching about for the last 26 pages. What kind of dumb logic is that? If I am bitching, whining, and moaning about the said item, I need to be wearing em?
Well doesn't it seem a little disingenuous or misleading that you 'love' something so much to waste 13 plex to get it and you wont even wear it .
Its like an armor tanking caldari ship or for example I buy games on Steam just for the TF2 hats. If 6 months later i see the same hat or item going for $2.99. I don't post on the steam or TF2 forums whining about it. I spent close to $300 AUD on a ship that I never received in another sci-fi MMO.
You made a stupid mistake and now you're whining about it like a day old newbie who had his rifter blown up by a griefer. CCP admitted they made a mistake(or say they say) but asking for compensation, Is CCP a charity?
Instead of taking it on the chin and moving on with your life; you cry on the forums.
Sorry for any spelling or grammatical errors, I'm distracted and can barely hear myself think |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8387
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:57:00 -
[552] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Since you love repeating things over and over again, I will do the same for you. GǪand thus repeat the failure to prove me wrong.
The fact remains: you got something for free. You're bitching about how others could pay for it. You are angry that your free novelty key chain was available in the store. Also, the question remains: why should you be compensated for something you got for free?
Quote:I didn't even read your posting. That explains why you are so utterly and completely unable to provide anything remotely resembling a logical argument for your case.
Quote:There is nothing wrong with Aurum system. GǪaside from it having nothing but harm to the game. It was never actually finished; the NeX is still in pre-alpha; it still steals gameplay away from the game; its initial release was bungled and cost the the company a tenth of their subscribers; and here we are GÇö the second attempt to roll out stuff for it GÇö and they bungled that as well and caused you to blow a fuse over stuff you got for free.
Quote:Do you think having CCP rely on "almost free-to-play" model by allowing capsuleers to fund their own subscription via ISK, sustainable in the long run? Oh dear. Don't tell me you don't understand how PLEX works. Pleeease. Yes, it's very sustainable in the long run because accounts maintained through PLEX Gǣfor freeGǥ makes CCP more money than if they were paid for with subscriptions. They're a bit more complicated from an accounting standpoint since all those outstanding services not rendered might look strange on the balance sheet, but that's about itGǪ
GǪand then you wonder why we doubt your economical and financial knowledge. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:17:00 -
[553] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Since you love repeating things over and over again, I will do the same for you. GǪand thus repeat the failure to prove me wrong. The fact remains: you got something for free. You're bitching about how others could pay for it. You are angry that your free novelty key chain was available in the store. Also, the question remains: why should you be compensated for something you got for free? Quote:I didn't even read your posting. That explains why you are so utterly and completely unable to provide anything remotely resembling a logical argument for your case. Quote:There is nothing wrong with Aurum system. GǪaside from it having nothing but harm to the game. It was never actually finished; the NeX is still in pre-alpha; it still steals gameplay away from the game; its initial release was bungled and cost the the company a tenth of their subscribers; and here we are GÇö the second attempt to roll out stuff for it GÇö and they bungled that as well and caused you to blow a fuse over stuff you got for free. Quote:Do you think having CCP rely on "almost free-to-play" model by allowing capsuleers to fund their own subscription via ISK, sustainable in the long run? Oh dear. Don't tell me you don't understand how PLEX works. Pleeease. Yes, it's very sustainable in the long run because accounts maintained through PLEX GÇ£for freeGÇ¥ makes CCP more money than if they were paid for with subscriptions. They're a bit more complicated from an accounting standpoint since all those outstanding services not rendered might look strange on the balance sheet, but that's about itGǪ GǪand then you wonder why we doubt your economical and financial knowledge.
"Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something..."
CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8388
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:51:00 -
[554] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment. Nope. Largely because you haven't read what my assessment isGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:58:00 -
[555] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment. Nope. Largely because you haven't read what my assessment isGǪ
"Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something..."
CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment. |
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:02:00 -
[556] - Quote
The Antiquarian, quoting Torfi, wrote:we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible this thread hasn't been locked yet, I'd say that's more than fair GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á
never forget
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8390
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:03:00 -
[557] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment. Nope. Largely because you haven't read what my assessment isGǪ
Spamming the same irrelevant quote doesn't make it suddenly have anything to do with what I say GÇö it only proves you're a troll. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:07:00 -
[558] - Quote
Phill Esteen wrote:The Antiquarian, quoting Torfi, wrote:we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible this thread hasn't been locked yet, I'd say that's more than fair
Just waiting for CCP Devs' response regarding the issue of reparation. Once that's resolved and we get a clear message on their future marketing promotions, then I don't see why this thread shouldn't be locked. Until then, others can continue to spit out nonsensical crap.
And I still don't know why Tippia is writing something on the thread, because I haven't read any of his message for almost a day now. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8391
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:11:00 -
[559] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Just waiting for CCP Devs' response regarding the issue of reparation. GǪand the question remains: why should you be compensated for something that you got for free?
Would you like a copy of the Pax Ammarria? It was free too, so that seems reasonable.
Quote:And I still don't know why Tippia is writing something on the thread, because I haven't read any of his message for almost a day now. GǪand miraculously, you've managed to explain the cause of your problem to yourself. Of course, you're lying and just have problems coming up with a sensible answer, but stillGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:16:00 -
[560] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Just waiting for CCP Devs' response regarding the issue of reparation. GǪand the question remains: why should you be compensated for something that you got for free? Would you like a copy of the Pax Ammarria? It was free too, so that seems reasonable. Quote:And I still don't know why Tippia is writing something on the thread, because I haven't read any of his message for almost a day now. GǪand miraculously, you've managed to explain the cause of your problem to yourself. Of course, you're lying and just have problems coming up with a sensible answer, but stillGǪ
"Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something..."
CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8391
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:18:00 -
[561] - Quote
Yeah, seeGǪ you failed to answer the question there: why should you be compensated for something you got for free? Will an equally free Pax Ammarria do? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:19:00 -
[562] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Just waiting for CCP Devs' response regarding the issue of reparation. GǪand the question remains: why should you be compensated for something that you got for free? Would you like a copy of the Pax Ammarria? It was free too, so that seems reasonable. Quote:And I still don't know why Tippia is writing something on the thread, because I haven't read any of his message for almost a day now. GǪand miraculously, you've managed to explain the cause of your problem to yourself. Of course, you're lying and just have problems coming up with a sensible answer, but stillGǪ "Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1. In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something..." CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment.
Illiteracy is such a terrible burden. -RubyPorto
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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
46
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:49:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Mr Kidd wrote: Ah ah ah.....be careful what you ask for. Functionally identical......a $2 t-shirt is functionally identical to a $100 t-shirt. Sure, they both serve the purpose to cover the body but one has nicer fabrics and is generally more durable. Just like the Isukone Scorpion purportedly by CCP was functionally identical to the regular Scorpion. But, we couldn't get any more details on that other than it was "functionally identical". Some of us actually suspected it would be a p2w item beyond its paint scheme. And I do believe we are entering a period where the words we choose are going to become very very important when dealing with CCP in the next few months.
In the example of the Isukone Scorp.....functionally identical doesn't exactly convey identical characteristics. All BS's are functionally identical. That is to say functionally, they all kill things. How they do it and their efficacy is the real question.
I know I'm going off here about a t-shirt and it doesn't really make any difference in that situation. But I do smell a new effort by CCP to revamp the NeX, which isn't a bad thing except we seem to be taking the same route we did last year. The player financial survey is what is setting me off here. It proceeded the disasters of last year. So, just a word of warning folks.
Be vigilant and make sure to keep your hand on the brakes.
Your definition of functionally identical seems rather broad. Especially in terms of the Isukone Scorp. The published stats indicated that "functionally identical" meant the ship was identical in all ways including stats and fitting and only differed in appearance and description. The idea that all BS's are functionally identical, even using the term more liberally, seems to severely underplay the differences between ships. What he said, I would just like to add to that a bit by calling you a nitpicking nitwit. SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1244
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:52:00 -
[564] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Mechael wrote:Fair would be the removal of Aurum from EVE. Just sayin'. That is a pathetic answer. There is nothing wrong with Aurum system. It provides additional cash inflow for CCP while having absolutely no impact on the pre-existing capusleers' gameplay. It is a system only for those who are willing to spend their own money purely for cosmetic purpose. Do you think having CCP rely on "almost free-to-play" model by allowing capsuleers to fund their own subscription via ISK, sustainable in the long run? More cash inflow => Higher valuation of the company => the cost of capital goes down for both, equity and debt => better financing options from willing banks and other investors => more employees, more gameplay, more expansions, more Dust, more WoD, more EVE Online, more compensated CCP employees, more quality contents => Win-Win situation for all the stakeholders.Don't just think about the short-term. Think about what is best for EVE Online and CCP in the long-run for Christ's sake.
noted accounting and economics genius The Antiquarian forgets that CCP does not give any game time for free a rogue goon |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
46
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Posted - 2012.07.06 10:09:00 -
[565] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:the antiquarian, fresh off another round of humiliating himself, pulls out the "im rich irl so clearly i can't be as dumb as anyone who can read has concluded" card again
like before, it is made out of crayon and has stains from juice spills on it I am just providing an appropriate response for a fool who keeps insisting that I am an idiot. You and your Goon pals are so funny.
I think the problem with people like this is that they're so stupid that they have no idea how stupid they are. -John Cleese
SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
774
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:12:00 -
[566] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Mechael wrote:Fair would be the removal of Aurum from EVE. Just sayin'. That is a pathetic answer. There is nothing wrong with Aurum system. It provides additional cash inflow for CCP while having absolutely no impact on the pre-existing capusleers' gameplay. It is a system only for those who are willing to spend their own money purely for cosmetic purpose. Do you think having CCP rely on "almost free-to-play" model by allowing capsuleers to fund their own subscription via ISK, sustainable in the long run? More cash inflow => Higher valuation of the company => the cost of capital goes down for both, equity and debt => better financing options from willing banks and other investors => more employees, more gameplay, more expansions, more Dust, more WoD, more EVE Online, more compensated CCP employees, more quality contents => Win-Win situation for all the stakeholders.Don't just think about the short-term. Think about what is best for EVE Online and CCP in the long-run for Christ's sake.
It should be noted that CCP makes more money from people using PLEX to fund their accounts than they would do if those same people paid via credit/debit card. This is because in order for them to use a PLEX, someone must first have purchased one for real money. As it stands, a PLEX costs -ú/$19.99 whereas a subscription paid by credit/debit card currently runs at -ú9.99 or $14.99. So as you can see, CCP earn a considerable amount more when people use a PLEX to fund their game time.
tl;dr PLEX users = lots more income for CCP, not less. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
790
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:17:00 -
[567] - Quote
It's OK, he's a world-class accountant. Your petty reform/charity school maths are no match for his Big Four brilliance, as clearly evidenced by both his understanding of PLEX and advertising. Why did you take my wings away? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1598
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:19:00 -
[568] - Quote
Obsidian Dagger wrote:This was the main problem as I saw it back then. The only 'safe' way to do it would be to trade in an existing normal scorpion plus aurum to get the ishukone scorpion - that way the industrialists wouldn't be screwed out of the game.
So it would work just like an LP store, which I like.
Day 0 advice for new players: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=77176 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:51:00 -
[569] - Quote
Cat Casidy wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:the antiquarian, fresh off another round of humiliating himself, pulls out the "im rich irl so clearly i can't be as dumb as anyone who can read has concluded" card again
like before, it is made out of crayon and has stains from juice spills on it I am just providing an appropriate response for a fool who keeps insisting that I am an idiot. You and your Goon pals are so funny. I think the problem with people like this is that they're so stupid that they have no idea how stupid they are. -John Cleese yeah i am sort of stumped at this point because every time i think he couldn't embarrass himself more he goes and does it |
Thomas Horan
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:12:00 -
[570] - Quote
Robert Warner wrote:You were treated like " ***** and dingleberries" the moment you spent the equivalent of $200 on a virtual T-shirt, so why come to the forums complaining about it a year later?
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Cede Forster
Graffa
5
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:25:00 -
[571] - Quote
$ 200 for a (virtual) t-shirt and now everyone can wear get one for "free" ?
What an atrocity, my outrage can bearly be contained, if there only was something one could do about it.
Except buying t-shirts for $ 200 of course, that would be just a stupid solution.
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:29:00 -
[572] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:the antiquarian, fresh off another round of humiliating himself, pulls out the "im rich irl so clearly i can't be as dumb as anyone who can read has concluded" card again
like before, it is made out of crayon and has stains from juice spills on it I am just providing an appropriate response for a fool who keeps insisting that I am an idiot. You and your Goon pals are so funny. I think the problem with people like this is that they're so stupid that they have no idea how stupid they are. -John Cleese yeah i am sort of stumped at this point because every time i think he couldn't embarrass himself more he goes and does it
I find myself in this fascinating situation where if I were in real life, I would've never talked to a sort of trailer trash like you, but this great game of EVE brings all of us together so that we can whine and moan at each other. It's great.
You can keep calling me stupid or idiot or whatever you can think of. Once again, the 10,058 Goon tear that I was able to generate with a no-name alt, fuels me and keeps me motivated.
Goons, much appreciated for the continued interest in this thread and bumping em. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
775
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:54:00 -
[573] - Quote
I really see no need for personal insults here. If you cannot be civil, then perhaps you should use the very handy little block function that CCP have given us so that you do not have to see certain people posting. At the rate you are going this thread will be locked and you will end up getting a warning, I'm pretty certain that will not help anyone. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:57:00 -
[574] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:I really see no need for personal insults here. If you cannot be civil, then perhaps you should use the very handy little block function that CCP have given us so that you do not have to see certain people posting. At the rate you are going this thread will be locked and you will end up getting a warning, I'm pretty certain that will not help anyone.
Could you kindly examine the first 10 pages or so? I tried to be civil and calm but after days/weeks of having to endure personal insults from hundreds of people, I guarantee you that even Jesus couldn't handle this kind of stress.
It only requires a single response from CCP DEVS regarding how they will be making an appropriate reparation for the disadvantaged parties, and an absolute guarantee that they won't screw up with other historical items for future marketing promotion. Once ALL the demands are met, I don't see why this thread shouldn't be locked.
CCP promised us that he would provide a response a week ago. A week ago. I had to contact another CCP Dev, to find out that they are still working on a solution. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
97
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:01:00 -
[575] - Quote
So wait CCp removed game items from players with out reinbursement?
CCP remove T2BPO make EVE real. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
775
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:06:00 -
[576] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I really see no need for personal insults here. If you cannot be civil, then perhaps you should use the very handy little block function that CCP have given us so that you do not have to see certain people posting. At the rate you are going this thread will be locked and you will end up getting a warning, I'm pretty certain that will not help anyone. Could you kindly examine the first 10 pages or so? I tried to be civil and calm but after days/weeks of having to endure personal insults from hundreds of people, I guarantee you that even Jesus couldn't handle this kind of stress. It only requires a single response from CCP DEVS regarding how they will be making an appropriate reparation for the disadvantaged parties, and an absolute guarantee that they won't screw up with other historical items for future marketing promotion. Once ALL the demands are met, I don't see why this thread shouldn't be locked. CCP promised us that he would provide a response a week ago. A week ago. I had to contact another CCP Dev, to find out that they are still working on a solution.
If their language concerns you, then use the report function. Resorting to verbal abuse and baseless insults just because others choose to is a poor excuse sir. You have other lines of communication to CCP open to you, and yet you choose to continue posting in a thread where you know people will attempt to goad you into an argument.
It could be said that you were doing so on purpose, and thus any future complaint you might make regarding the behaviour of other posters would be void. Do yourself a favour, either block those people whose opinions or words cause you distress or report them to CCP.
As for making demands, perhaps you should make requests instead, that way people might be less inclined to ignore you. Having worked in customer services in varying positions and in many different sectors of business, I personally would be much less likely to help someone who behaved in the manner you are displaying here. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8395
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:07:00 -
[577] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Could you kindly examine the first 10 pages or so? I tried to be civil and calm GǪand avoided to really respond to questions and arguments. You're also being quite overtly antagonistic by claiming that it's GǣmalpracticeGǥ when it is perhaps the most commonly used sales pitch in the book.
If you're getting stressed about people disagreeing with your demands, then you have bigger problems than not getting compensation for a free itemGǪ
Quote:It only requires a single response from CCP DEVS regarding how they will be making an appropriate reparation for the disadvantaged parties, and an absolute guarantee that they won't screw up with other historical items for future marketing promotion. GǪand in the meantime, you can explain how you're GÇ£disadvantagedGÇ¥ and why it counts as a screw-up. It's not like it's particularly strange that promotional items later become available to all and sundry (in fact, CCP has done exactly that on a number of occasions, and since it's the nature of promotional items, it didn't really come as a surprise to anyone). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:08:00 -
[578] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I really see no need for personal insults here. If you cannot be civil, then perhaps you should use the very handy little block function that CCP have given us so that you do not have to see certain people posting. At the rate you are going this thread will be locked and you will end up getting a warning, I'm pretty certain that will not help anyone. Could you kindly examine the first 10 pages or so? I tried to be civil and calm but after days/weeks of having to endure personal insults from hundreds of people, I guarantee you that even Jesus couldn't handle this kind of stress. It only requires a single response from CCP DEVS regarding how they will be making an appropriate reparation for the disadvantaged parties, and an absolute guarantee that they won't screw up with other historical items for future marketing promotion. Once ALL the demands are met, I don't see why this thread shouldn't be locked. CCP promised us that he would provide a response a week ago. A week ago. I had to contact another CCP Dev, to find out that they are still working on a solution. If their language concerns you, then use the report function. Resorting to verbal abuse and baseless insults just because others choose to is a poor excuse sir. You have other lines of communication to CCP open to you, and yet you choose to continue posting in a thread where you know people will attempt to goad you into an argument. It could be said that you were doing so on purpose, and thus any future complaint you might make regarding the behaviour of other posters would be void. Do yourself a favour, either block those people whose opinions or words cause you distress or report them to CCP. As for making demands, perhaps you should make requests instead, that way people might be less inclined to ignore you. Having worked in customer services in varying positions and in many different sectors of business, I personally would be much less likely to help someone who behaved in the manner you are displaying here.
You are absolutely right. I lost my sight for a while. I didn't even know that "blocking" function existed on EVE forum. Much appreciated for the advice. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8395
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:14:00 -
[579] - Quote
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:So wait CCp removed game items from players with out reinbursement? No. They started selling a previous free item for modest price without reimbursing those who got it for freeGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:05:00 -
[580] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: I find myself in this fascinating situation where if I were in real life, I would've never talked to a sort of trailer trash like you, but this great game of EVE brings all of us together so that we can whine and moan at each other. It's great.
guys guys guys i'm rich, really
why doesn't anyone believe me |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3813
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:06:00 -
[581] - Quote
"i have a really hot girlfriend but she's from canada you wouldnt know her" |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1562
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:14:00 -
[582] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:So wait CCp removed game items from players with out reinbursement? No. They started selling a previous free item for modest price without reimbursing those who got it for freeGǪ
..and than after acknowledging it was done in error have yet to let those affected know what to expect.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8395
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:16:00 -
[583] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:..and than after acknowledging it was done in error have yet to let those affected know what to expect. GǪand the question remains: why should they expect any kind of compensation for an item that they received for free?
The fair thing to do would be to let the suckers who bought it for AUR have their AUR back and keep the shirt so everyone paid the same price for it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1562
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:21:00 -
[584] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:..and than after acknowledging it was done in error have yet to let those affected know what to expect. GǪand the question remains: why should they expect any kind of compensation for an item that they received for free?
That's your question and it's unimportant and meaningless.
The only thing that is important is when will CCP do as they said they would.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8395
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:36:00 -
[585] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:That's your question and it's unimportant and meaningless. Not really no. It's the question CCP is trying to answer. Providing a good argument for some kind of compensation seems like a rather clever thing to do if you're interesting in receiving that compensation.
If the question is unimportant and meaningless, then that's your answer right there: the compensation is zero and they're not going to bother to comment on it because it's such a complete non-issue. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1252
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:32:00 -
[586] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Weaselior wrote:the antiquarian, fresh off another round of humiliating himself, pulls out the "im rich irl so clearly i can't be as dumb as anyone who can read has concluded" card again
like before, it is made out of crayon and has stains from juice spills on it I am just providing an appropriate response for a fool who keeps insisting that I am an idiot. You and your Goon pals are so funny. I think the problem with people like this is that they're so stupid that they have no idea how stupid they are. -John Cleese yeah i am sort of stumped at this point because every time i think he couldn't embarrass himself more he goes and does it I find myself in this fascinating situation where if I were in real life, I would've never talked to a sort of trailer trash like you, but this great game of EVE brings all of us together so that we can whine and moan at each other. It's great. You can keep calling me stupid or idiot or whatever you can think of. Once again, the 10,058 Goon tear that I was able to generate with a no-name alt, fuels me and keeps me motivated. Goons, much appreciated for the continued interest in this thread and bumping em.
grats on your 15 minutes of fame
you're still nobody of note a rogue goon |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1252
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:33:00 -
[587] - Quote
"I'm a superstar accountant with a kickboxing girlfriend and a ferrari I devote my plentiful spare time to ousting internet tyrants and buying virtual clothing" a rogue goon |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1253
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:38:00 -
[588] - Quote
"I also think that plex purchased in-game from the market are created out of thin air" a rogue goon |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 23:12:00 -
[589] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:
grats on your 15 minutes of fame
Hahaha you are a sad individual. I don't care about the so-called "15 minutes of fame." Obviously, extracting 10,058 Goons Tears was priceless, but I did so because unlike you guys, I actually care about this game and how it is perceived by the greater gaming communities. When we leave EVE to Goons' leadership, the only thing that will happen is to alienate potential new joiners in the long-run. Just like how you think that it was unfair of CCP to "push the bus" on Mittani the Great for enticing thousands of players to convince a mentally unstable person to commit suicide, while laughing at those who were disenfranchised by CCP's actual mistake.
Once again, 10,058 Goons Tears fuels me and gives me the daily strength to overcome Goons nonsense and completely unnecessary personal attacks. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
511
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Posted - 2012.07.06 23:23:00 -
[590] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:..and than after acknowledging it was done in error have yet to let those affected know what to expect. GǪand the question remains: why should they expect any kind of compensation for an item that they received for free? The fair thing to do would be to let the suckers who bought it for AUR have their AUR back and keep the shirt so everyone paid the same price for it.
A question that none of us are obligated to answer because CCP already promised some kind fo reparation.
Even if your "keychain concept" is correct, there is this other issue that CCP needs to resolve where dozens, if not, hundreds of players, paid 1.5B-2B for Ishukone Special Edition Shirt in order to use it for their avatar, only to see the pricing go down to 0.02B when CCP introduced them via NeX Store. CCP already admitted that it was a mistake and they find it just that some kind of compensation for those disenfranchised parties are in order.
CCP makes changes to various features of the game all the time that simultaneously affect pricing of certain items by 10% here and 20% there, but having to deprive collectors of many billions is something that a reputable company shouldn't do. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1532
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Posted - 2012.07.07 00:14:00 -
[591] - Quote
Off topic and trolling removed.
There is no need for any discussions that the release of the Ishukone shirt was a mistake and shouldn't have happened, CCP t0rfifrans stated that already in clear words.
I would like to remind everyone to stay polite and constructive in their replies, forum rule violations and personal attacks will not be allowed. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
164
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Posted - 2012.07.07 00:25:00 -
[592] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Mechael wrote:Fair would be the removal of Aurum from EVE. Just sayin'. That is a pathetic answer. There is nothing wrong with Aurum system. It provides additional cash inflow for CCP while having absolutely no impact on the pre-existing capusleers' gameplay. It is a system only for those who are willing to spend their own money purely for cosmetic purpose. Do you think having CCP rely on "almost free-to-play" model by allowing capsuleers to fund their own subscription via ISK, sustainable in the long run? More cash inflow => Higher valuation of the company => the cost of capital goes down for both, equity and debt => better financing options from willing banks and other investors => more employees, more gameplay, more expansions, more Dust, more WoD, more EVE Online, more compensated CCP employees, more quality contents => Win-Win situation for all the stakeholders.Don't just think about the short-term. Think about what is best for EVE Online and CCP in the long-run for Christ's sake.
Quality is greater than quantity. EVE is an interactive science fiction simulator and a sandbox style game. It is self-evident why microtransactions are bad for such an environment. What I see with Aurum is CCP being short-sighted in its belief that microtransactions will make it more money and thus be good for EVE, at the expense of the long-term integrity of the simulation and sandbox.
I hold that anyone who advocates or uses Aurum is careless in at least one of two ways. Either they haven't followed the ramifications of such a system on a sandbox/simulation through to its almost immediately obvious conclusion, or else they just plain don't care beyond getting their kicks right now.
Microtransactions move EVE from the awesome scifi-simulator/sandbox realm, and into the realm of cheap arcade games (just pump in another quarter ...) or Zynga games. It's a move from meaningful to vapid. By supporting it, you've picked up the snake and opened the door to all sorts of nastiness, including situations like your current one. Congratulations. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.07.07 01:14:00 -
[593] - Quote
Mechael wrote: Quality is greater than quantity. EVE is an interactive science fiction simulator and a sandbox style game. It is self-evident why microtransactions are bad for such an environment. What I see with Aurum is CCP being short-sighted in its belief that microtransactions will make it more money and thus be good for EVE, at the expense of the long-term integrity of the simulation and sandbox.
I personally don't see how aurum has any further effect on the integrity of the game than plex already does.
Mechael wrote: I hold that anyone who advocates or uses Aurum is careless in at least one of two ways. Either they haven't followed the ramifications of such a system on a sandbox/simulation through to its almost immediately obvious conclusion, or else they just plain don't care beyond getting their kicks right now.
And what are the ramifications you are seeing? It is entirely possible I'm being totally naive in this, but I'm not seeing any foregone conclusions as of yet.
Mechael wrote: Microtransactions move EVE from the awesome scifi-simulator/sandbox realm, and into the realm of cheap arcade games (just pump in another quarter ...) or Zynga games. It's a move from away from meaningful and towards vapid. By supporting it, you've picked up the snake and opened the door to all sorts of nastiness, including situations like your current one. Congratulations.
We have a choice of believing CCP in their statement that they will do no game affecting MT's or not. If you believe there is intentional deceit and the intention is for this to move from an inconsequential cash shop to a P2W cash shop then there is no reason to remain here. It's true that it could be a case of boiling the frog, but then it falls to each player to determine at what point from an absolute standard to call it quits. Until we start seeing some actual moves in that direction it may be too early to officially declare that any MT is the downfall of the game.
I would also think that a true simulation of a "sifi world" would have taken into account propensities for seemingly vapid and meaningless actions and obsessions. But I suppose that comes back down to the argument between a Eve as a "spaceship game" or "scifi game."
And you are right about quality over quantity, but additional funding can be great assistance in both. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.07.07 01:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote: It's not like it's particularly strange that promotional items later become available to all and sundry (in fact, CCP has done exactly that on a number of occasions, and since it's the nature of promotional items, it didn't really come as a surprise to anyone).
As my own time here is shorter than many others, I can't recall a point in time when an actual promotional item was made so widely available as was the case here. Some of the gift ships and items were made obtainable in crucible or as part of other offers, but to my recollection those were originally granted just for being active at the time and were not designed to entice a separate or additional purchase.
Is there another incident I'm forgetting or perhaps something that occurred prior to my being in game? |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
164
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Posted - 2012.07.07 01:30:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Mechael wrote: Quality is greater than quantity. EVE is an interactive science fiction simulator and a sandbox style game. It is self-evident why microtransactions are bad for such an environment. What I see with Aurum is CCP being short-sighted in its belief that microtransactions will make it more money and thus be good for EVE, at the expense of the long-term integrity of the simulation and sandbox.
I personally don't see how aurum has any further effect on the integrity of the game than plex already does. Mechael wrote: I hold that anyone who advocates or uses Aurum is careless in at least one of two ways. Either they haven't followed the ramifications of such a system on a sandbox/simulation through to its almost immediately obvious conclusion, or else they just plain don't care beyond getting their kicks right now.
And what are the ramifications you are seeing? It is entirely possible I'm being totally naive in this, but I'm not seeing any foregone conclusions as of yet. Mechael wrote: Microtransactions move EVE from the awesome scifi-simulator/sandbox realm, and into the realm of cheap arcade games (just pump in another quarter ...) or Zynga games. It's a move from away from meaningful and towards vapid. By supporting it, you've picked up the snake and opened the door to all sorts of nastiness, including situations like your current one. Congratulations.
We have a choice of believing CCP in their statement that they will do no game affecting MT's or not. If you believe there is intentional deceit and the intention is for this to move from an inconsequential cash shop to a P2W cash shop then there is no reason to remain here. It's true that it could be a case of boiling the frog, but then it falls to each player to determine at what point from an absolute standard to call it quits. Until we start seeing some actual moves in that direction it may be too early to officially declare that any MT is the downfall of the game. I would also think that a true simulation of a "sifi world" would have taken into account propensities for seemingly vapid and meaningless actions and obsessions. But I suppose that comes back down to the argument between a Eve as a "spaceship game" or "scifi game." And you are right about quality over quantity, but additional funding can be great assistance in both.
It already is pay-to-win (read: pay for an advantage) and has been since the inclusion of PLEX. I groaned about that, too. Aurum takes it a step further by generating in-game items (vanity or otherwise is largely irrelevant to the principal alone) from thin air, predominantly coming from those with the cash to spend. The ramifications of this are inherently only slightly more dire than the fact that EVE itself is still based on a faucet/sink system*. However, when placed on top of the already fundamentally flawed notion that a faucet/sink system has any place in a simulator it is a clear indication that EVE is moving even further away from a deep simulator and towards a casual, pump-in-your-quarter, get your kicks and **** the rest style game.
Basically, CPP is adding even more systems that fly in the face of the notion that EVE is a sci-fi simulator when they should be rectifying the systems that already do this. Fix the problems, don't compound them.
As to drawing my line in the sand ... I'll stop playing the moment there's a better persistant world, interactive, science fiction simulator out there. If CCP keeps going in the direction it is with microtransactions, pretty soon that'll basically mean I'll switch to the very next one that's released as EVE will hardly qualify anymore.
As to how this is relevant, well ... when you buy into such a system, you should know the system well enough to see exactly what it is that you're buying. The OP clearly did not, and I'm pretty sure he still does not.
*Note that the faucet/sink system is only the most predominant issue in regards to the simulation. There are too many other issues to list, so I just stuck with the most blatant. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1566
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Posted - 2012.07.07 01:33:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic and trolling removed. There is no need for any discussions that the release of the Ishukone shirt was a mistake and shouldn't have happened, CCP t0rfifrans stated that already in clear words. I would like to remind everyone to stay polite and constructive in their replies, forum rule violations and personal attacks will not be allowed.
Thanks for reminding us that that post exists.
He also stated in that same post:Quote:Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue.
I might politely mention that "later today" is long past and we have yet to hear anything. This is the concern that the non trolls have been trying to get an answer to.
Would you be so kind as to supply us with the reason we have not heard anything?
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
164
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Posted - 2012.07.07 01:44:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: I would also think that a true simulation of a "sifi world" would have taken into account propensities for seemingly vapid and meaningless actions and obsessions. But I suppose that comes back down to the argument between a Eve as a "spaceship game" or "scifi game."
If anyone here thinks EVE is just a spaceship game, they clearly haven't been paying attention since the beginning. Ambulation (finally halfway realized and marred by a silly MT scheme,) in-atmo flying (hasn't actually been realized yet, unless you're counting DUST vehicles,) planetary interaction, and now DUST as well ... it may have began as just spaceships, but it had to start somewhere. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.07.07 02:04:00 -
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Mechael wrote: It already is pay-to-win (read: pay for an advantage) and has been since the inclusion of PLEX. I groaned about that, too. Aurum takes it a step further by generating in-game items (vanity or otherwise is largely irrelevant to the principal alone) from thin air, predominantly coming from those with the cash to spend. The ramifications of this are inherently only slightly more dire than the fact that EVE itself is still based on a faucet/sink system*. However, when placed on top of the already fundamentally flawed notion that a faucet/sink system has any place in a simulator it is a clear indication that EVE is moving even further away from a deep simulator and towards a casual, pump-in-your-quarter, get your kicks and **** the rest style game..
While I can partially agree with some of your sentiment, I think the fact that the Nex items are spawned out of thin air is and needs to be inextricably linked to their functional uselessness. the fact that no game system or mechanic contributes to their creation is countered and justified by the fact that they have no affect in return. So long as this is maintained I see little issue in Aurum or Nex (though admittedly I'm abit more apprehensive about ship customization as it seems in my mind to come closer to crossing that ever blurry line).
Regarding sinks and faucets, I'd always thought of this as a mechanism to account for the shortfalls of the simulation. Perhaps to counter missing factors such as a lack constant technological advancement of upkeep and the purposeful prevention of items falling toward obsolescence. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
164
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Posted - 2012.07.07 02:29:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: the fact that no game system or mechanic contributes to their creation is countered and justified by the fact that they have no affect in return.
But they do have an effect. No part of the game is completely separate from the rest of the game. It all adds up to define what EVE is. The only reason EVE is currently afloat and doing as well as it is is because it has no serious competitors. When one does crop up, and actually takes the simulation aspect seriously, EVE may very well be in trouble. Moving forward with DUST will help mitigate that fear, but it also brings EVE even closer to ceasing to fall into that category altogether thanks to DUST's total reliance on microtransactions.
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Regarding sinks and faucets, I'd always thought of this as a mechanism to account for the shortfalls of the simulation. Perhaps to counter missing factors such as a lack constant technological advancement of upkeep and the purposeful prevention of items falling toward obsolescence.
More things that need fixing. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
72
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Posted - 2012.07.07 02:58:00 -
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Mechael wrote:It already is pay-to-win (read: pay for an advantage) and has been since the inclusion of PLEX.
Eh, don't see what's the big deal is with PLEX tbh, you could already sell GTCs for isk before they added PLEX into the game (and people still do), the only thing PLEX did was to make things simpler and create the occasional lol-killmail.
And if you stretch the definition of pay-to-win to include any sort of "advantage", then the ability to run multiple accounts is also P2W... and so is the ability to buy a better PC for better client performance or a faster ISP for minimum lag. The slippery slope works both ways.
Mechael wrote:But they do have an effect. No part of the game is completely separate from the rest of the game. It all adds up to define what EVE is.
So what IS the affect of clothing items in the Nex store on EVE? |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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The Antiquarian wrote:ADDENDUMISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT & WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD)Judging by the CCPGÇÖs recent action to remove the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, it shows CCPGÇÖs admittance on their mistake to release those two items on the NEX Store in the first place. Removing those two items is an appropriate first step, but that does not provide any reparation for those who were adversely affected by CCPGÇÖs marketing failure. Those who took the GÇ£leap of faithGÇ¥ in CCPGÇÖs are still disenfranchised by seeing billions of their initial investments on these unique shirts turned to GÇ£dustGÇ¥ due to the untold number of those shirts being circulated out into the market, thanks to CCPGÇÖs mistake of releasing those items for $0.50 on NEX Store.Obviously CCP can not take away hundreds of ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT and WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD) that were purchased for $0.50 post the recent patch. CCP needs to make appropriate reparations in forms of another completely unique items to the previous owners of those rare apparels. That is the only GÇ£justGÇ¥ and GÇ£equitableGÇ¥ action.
I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again. You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items. But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this? CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH! CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items. Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 2B. Now, it costs 20 million to purchase (although the price increased after CCP decided to stop the sale of Ishukone, the current market price is 1/10th of the original market value of 2B). So far, this has been the message that CCP has indirectly expressed to all the supporters of Noble Exchange, cash for PLEXs, and all other marketing schemes: "Thank you for your contribution. You assumed the risk and this is what you get. You will be the laughing stock of the entire community of EVE Online. We will remain mute for the rest of the period. Oh!! And don't forget: we are here sitting behind the desk, laughing at you too!"Please refer to the following post on the Market Discussion for those who were adversely affected by CCP's recent flooding of pre-existing rare/unique outfits on NEX Store for fraction of their initial costs.
CCP aren't required to gaurantee the value of your speculations. Get over it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 03:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:ADDENDUMISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT & WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD)Judging by the CCPGÇÖs recent action to remove the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, it shows CCPGÇÖs admittance on their mistake to release those two items on the NEX Store in the first place. Removing those two items is an appropriate first step, but that does not provide any reparation for those who were adversely affected by CCPGÇÖs marketing failure. Those who took the GÇ£leap of faithGÇ¥ in CCPGÇÖs are still disenfranchised by seeing billions of their initial investments on these unique shirts turned to GÇ£dustGÇ¥ due to the untold number of those shirts being circulated out into the market, thanks to CCPGÇÖs mistake of releasing those items for $0.50 on NEX Store.Obviously CCP can not take away hundreds of ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT and WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD) that were purchased for $0.50 post the recent patch. CCP needs to make appropriate reparations in forms of another completely unique items to the previous owners of those rare apparels. That is the only GÇ£justGÇ¥ and GÇ£equitableGÇ¥ action.
I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again. You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items. But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this? CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH! CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items. Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 2B. Now, it costs 20 million to purchase (although the price increased after CCP decided to stop the sale of Ishukone, the current market price is 1/10th of the original market value of 2B). So far, this has been the message that CCP has indirectly expressed to all the supporters of Noble Exchange, cash for PLEXs, and all other marketing schemes: "Thank you for your contribution. You assumed the risk and this is what you get. You will be the laughing stock of the entire community of EVE Online. We will remain mute for the rest of the period. Oh!! And don't forget: we are here sitting behind the desk, laughing at you too!"Please refer to the following post on the Market Discussion for those who were adversely affected by CCP's recent flooding of pre-existing rare/unique outfits on NEX Store for fraction of their initial costs. CCP aren't required to gaurantee the value of your speculations. Get over it.
Please read CCP's response before posting. CCP already claimed that the reissuance of those cosmetic shirts were their mistakes and promised us with some kind of equitable compensation. All I am doing here now, is waiting for CCP Devs' actual responses.
The question of whether I made a good or bad investment shouldn't be mentioned over and over again.
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 16:38:00 -
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It's weekend now. Still waiting for the CCP Dev's response. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8400
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Posted - 2012.07.07 16:49:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:I personally don't see how aurum has any further effect on the integrity of the game than plex already does. It has the effect of bypassing the normal player-run market and make items (that some apparently consider valuable) appear out of nowhere, without any industry or time-investment behind them. In and of itself, this could be made tolerable if it weren't for the fact that said items possess the unique and economy-hostile property of being indestructible under normal use. It also robs the game of promised gameplay that would have generated said items in a more GÇ£inline with standard game practicesGÇ¥ kind of way.
Compare this to PLEX, which are essentially economy neutral. They enter and exit the economy, leaving behind only a tiny ISK sink in the form of taxes and fees spent. While it does shuffle some money around, not net value is actually added, because the PLEX exits the economy when redeemed (after all, all it is is a call option for 30 days of gametime or 3,500 AUR).
Quote:As my own time here is shorter than many others, I can't recall a point in time when an actual promotional item was made so widely available as was the case here. Some of the gift ships and items were made obtainable in crucible or as part of other offers, but to my recollection those were originally granted just for being active at the time and were not designed to entice a separate or additional purchase. They were free promotional items just the same.
By the way, CCP Phantom, asking someone why they should be reimbursed for a free item is neither off-topic nor trollingGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 16:59:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic and trolling removed. There is no need for any discussions that the release of the Ishukone shirt was a mistake and shouldn't have happened, CCP t0rfifrans stated that already in clear words. I would like to remind everyone to stay polite and constructive in their replies, forum rule violations and personal attacks will not be allowed. Thanks for reminding us that that post exists. He also stated in that same post: Quote:Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. I might politely mention that "later today" is long past and we have yet to hear anything. This is the concern that the non trolls have been trying to get an answer to. Would you be so kind as to supply us with the reason we have not heard anything? Mr Epeen
Also very anxious to hear the Dev's response. It's already been more than a week. I believe we waited long enough. =/ |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1571
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Posted - 2012.07.07 17:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
By the way, CCP Phantom, asking someone why they should be reimbursed for a free item is neither off-topic nor trollingGǪ
Well I'll give you this. You are certainly tenacious in your righteous indignation.
I'll tell you a little secret. Trolling other players will get your post deleted, but going up against a dev will get you a vacation. Might want to ease up and do what they say.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8404
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Posted - 2012.07.07 17:51:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I'll tell you a little secret. Trolling other players will get your post deleted, but going up against a dev will get you a vacation. Good thing that I don't troll other players or devs, then.
Also, you might want to look up the meaning of GÇ£righteous indignationGÇ¥. It's what the OP seems to be feigning. I'm merely asking a question that he seems to be unable to answer (which is a bit odd, since answering it would probably help push the devs towards the kind decision he desires). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Alhezhar Alabyd al-Mu'minin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:What it is about is CCP offering a one-off item in exchange for a significant purchase of PLEXes and then doing a complete reverse after putting the money in their pockets. No, what it is about is the OP getting fooled by a GÇ£one-time offerGÇ¥ and thinking that, unlike every one-time offer ever, it was the items that were GÇ£one-timeGÇ¥ and not the offer itself. He blames CCP for this, but hasn't been able to offer much proof that they're at fault.
Proof they're at fault? This isn't a court preceding--it's public relations.
Look, the original poster might be an absolute short-bus-rider who spent $230 for a videogame t-shirt, but I'm pretty sure he clearly understands this weak semantic distinction you're pushing and just plain don't agree with it--whether it was a "limited" or "special" edition and he-should-have-known-the-difference is a real lame thing to hang your argument on.
Legality ain't morality and just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. The folks who're agreeing with the nerdlord, and the nerdlord himself, they're all saying that CCP ought to pursue business practices where the marketing team doesn't have to leave chunky fanboys feeling deceived, especially when said phlegmy fanboys is [already yes IS already] trying really rather aggressively to fork-over their drool-covered cash by the unwashed handful.
Heck, it might not even make bad business sense to not-alienate your most idiotic and devoted customers. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote: It has the effect of bypassing the normal player-run market and make items (that some apparently consider valuable) appear out of nowhere, without any industry or time-investment behind them. In and of itself, this could be made tolerable if it weren't for the fact that said items possess the unique and economy-hostile property of being indestructible under normal use. It also robs the game of promised gameplay that would have generated said items in a more GÇ£inline with standard game practicesGÇ¥ kind of way.
Compare this to PLEX, which are essentially economy neutral. They enter and exit the economy, leaving behind only a tiny ISK sink in the form of taxes and fees spent. While it does shuffle some money around, not net value is actually added, because the PLEX exits the economy when redeemed (after all, all it is is a call option for 30 days of gametime or 3,500 AUR).
The market for those items was, like plex, purely dictated by the fact that until recently there were no ways, outside of promotions or nex purchases to obtain them.
The standard by which their worth is assessed was only directly comparable to the fraction of plex from which they are created. They can't bypass a system they were never a part of to begin with, which would be player creation. In my mind bypassing that system was necessary to justify the existence of nex. I actually somewhat see moving the items into places like LP stores without removing the nex as a step in the wrong direction, but a tolerable one provided the items in each do not overlap.
Tippia wrote:They were free promotional items just the same. There is a distinction there which you brushed over. These were items designed in their inception to induce a wholly separate purchase. I find that to be a significant enough difference to warrant more cautious handling. Also it should be considered that while the items were essentially free with another purchase, that purchase had to be made, with real money at that, to bring the items into the game. It created a barrier that helped to ensure scarcity and create a value to the items that didn't otherwise exist. It's that value that was diminished by their release into the Nex. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8405
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:20:00 -
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Alhezhar Alabyd al-Mu'minin wrote:Proof they're at fault? This isn't a court preceding--it's public relations. Have you noticed the title of the thread? He calls it Gǥmarketing malpracticeGǥGǪ so yeah, the tone of court proceedings isn't something you should hang around my neck.
Quote:I'm pretty sure he clearly understands this weak semantic distinction you're pushing and just plain don't agree with it--whether it was a "limited" or "special" edition and he-should-have-known-the-difference is a real lame thing to hang your argument on. GǪand yet, that is his argument and what he hangs his compensation claim on: that he thought it was a limited edition that become a collectors' item and thus increase in value, when it was merely a run-of-the-mill mass-produced novelty item that's far more likely to decrease in value. If he understood the distinction, why is he couching the whole thing in GǣI was wronged by CCP, shame on themGǥ language? If he understood the distinction, why is he surprised that his free item is now worth less?
Quote:Heck, it might not even make bad business sense to not-alienate your most idiotic and devoted customers. True enough, I supposeGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8405
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:39:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:The market for those items was, like plex, purely dictated by demand as until recently there were no ways, outside of promotions or nex purchases to obtain them. What do you mean by GÇ£like PLEXGÇ¥ here? The market for PLEX is not purely dictated by demand, and PLEX also has a rather special value.
Quote:They can't bypass a system they were never a part of to begin with, which would be player creation. GǪand that's just it: the original plan was to make them part of the player creation system. The game was rather brutally robbed of this content and instead it was turned in a massively bungled attempt at making a quick buck which cost them massively.
Quote:In my mind bypassing that system was necessary to justify the existence of nex. And that says quite a lot about how bad an addition the NeX is: it needs a justification. It has nothing to do with the actual game, and only screws up the economy in new and interesting ways (and not in the positive sense). The fact that they already have a mechanism that fully supported what they wanted to do (the LP store) and that they instead chose to (fail to) implement a far inferior copy of the same concept just makes the whole thing even more laughable.
Quote:There is a distinction there which you brushed over. These were items designed in their inception to induce a wholly separate purchase. I find that to be a significant enough difference to warrant more cautious handling. Also it should be considered that while the items were essentially free with another purchase, that purchase had to be made, with real money at that, to bring the items into the game. GǪand that makes them no different than any other NeX item, except that they cost 0 AUR to create. As for inducing sales, that just goes back to the novelty keychain parallel: there is nothing to suggest that the item will not be available at a later date or that it's actually worth much to begin with (novelty item are usually cheap tat, after all).
Combine this with CCP's decision on previous occasion to re-release GÇ£specialGÇ¥ items, and I just don't see why the expectation would be anything other than having this item GÇ£firstGÇ¥ (for some indeterminate length of time), and that it would eventually be available in larger numbers. It's not that I brush over a distinction GÇö it's that I consider the (admittedly limited) historical pattern and don't assume that a distinction will be made. Sure, you could gamble on it not being re-released, but then that's what it is: a gamble, and you need to accept that you can lose those. vOv GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1571
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Also, you might want to look up the meaning of GÇ£righteous indignationGÇ¥. It's what the OP seems to be feigning..
The OP is right to be upset. CCP has told him he is right to be upset as they majorly screwed up.
And then there's you telling both that they are wrong . You are trolling the OP and anyone who agrees with him. Evidenced by the deletion of your posts in this thread. Non troll posts don't get deleted.
Mr Epeen
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:03:00 -
[613] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:The market for those items was, like plex, purely dictated by demand as until recently there were no ways, outside of promotions or nex purchases to obtain them. What do you mean by GÇ£like PLEXGÇ¥ here? The market for PLEX is not purely dictated by demand, and PLEX also has a rather special value. That was a statement that didn't say what I intended and was corrected.
Tippia wrote: GǪand that's just it: the original plan was to make them part of the player creation system. The game was rather brutally robbed of this content and instead it was turned in a massively bungled attempt at making a quick buck which cost them massively....
And that says quite a lot about how bad an addition the NeX is: it needs a justification. It has nothing to do with the actual game, and only screws up the economy in new and interesting ways (and not in the positive sense). The fact that they already have a mechanism that fully supported what they wanted to do (the LP store) and that they instead chose to (fail to) implement a far inferior copy of the same concept just makes the whole thing even more laughable.
Then I guess we can both agree that the nex as a whole is pretty silly and created a dynamic which meshes horribly with the rest of the game. It looks like statements regarding the protection of the investments of those who already bought into it are strong confirmations that it won't be going anywhere unless we revisit another situation like this on a far grander scale. Hence the comments I made were more focused on keeping it as separate as possible than advocating it's removal.
Tippia wrote: GǪand that makes them no different than any other NeX item, except that they cost 0 AUR to create. As for inducing sales, that just goes back to the novelty keychain parallel: there is nothing to suggest that the item will not be available at a later date or that it's actually worth much to begin with (novelty item are usually cheap tat, after all).
Combine this with CCP's decision on previous occasion to re-release GÇ£specialGÇ¥ items, and I just don't see why the expectation would be anything other than having this item GÇ£firstGÇ¥ (for some indeterminate length of time), and that it would eventually be available in larger numbers. It's not that I brush over a distinction GÇö it's that I consider the (admittedly limited) historical pattern and don't assume that a distinction will be made. Sure, you could gamble on it not being re-released, but then that's what it is: a gamble, and you need to accept that you can lose those. vOv
I can agree to disagree here. It's more about the barier of entry to the game rather than the absolute cost of the item in controlling supply. Making the surrender of $200+ a prerequisite for an item's creation, while true that surrender was for a separate purchase, to me does create a major distinction from items which were obtained simply by incurring the cost of being able to log into the game. Especially when that distinction must be paid in cash by the originator of the item. Granted the nature of the item is frivolous, though, as was pointed out earlier, when you have fostered a collectors mentality in some of your customers with truly limited release items, of which there are several, it makes sense to not preemptively kill interest in any future offers of a similar nature. |
Riknarr
Midhalla
2
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:04:00 -
[614] - Quote
Just because CCP couldn't be arsed putting effort into game mechanics for designing/manufacturing clothing, it doesn't mean that the NeX store is somehow justified.
Plex/MIcroplex etc. is all good if it is traded for isk and only ever converted into game time - be that one month for plex or one day in the case of microplex.
Content should still be made in game, bought with lp or dropped in loot (that ishukone could be v. rare and thus have value).
I simply can't see how the NeX store can ultimately be anything other than catastrophic for everything that EVE stood for at one point (sandbox,economy,ever developing SciFi simulator).
I played for three years on three accounts, and only two for the last year - likely down to one soon unless something drastic changes. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:08:00 -
[615] - Quote
There are still many dozens, if not, hundreds, of the players who saw their investment on these Ishukone Shirts & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) devalued from 2B ISK to 0.022B (22 million) ISK as a result of CCP's grave mistake. (Personally, I had 3 shirts which equate to approximately 6B in losses --> I am sure there are MANY MORE who were adversely affected by this nonsensical devaluation as well).
There are many who owned several of these ISHUKONE shirts who had significant ISK tied up to this investment. Please provide us with your decision regarding this issue on reparation as soon as possible. It has been a week since you promised us an official answer. Please make this happen. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:10:00 -
[616] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:There are still many dozens, if not, hundreds, of the players who saw their investment on these Ishukone Shirts & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) devalued from 2B ISK to 0.022B (22 million) ISK as a result of CCP's grave mistake. (Personally, I had 3 shirts which equate to approximately 6B in losses --> I am sure there are MANY MORE who were adversely affected by this nonsensical devaluation as well).
There are many who owned several of these ISHUKONE shirts who had significant ISK tied up to this investment. Please provide us with your decision regarding this issue on reparation as soon as possible. It has been a week since you promised us an official answer. Please make this happen.
You keep admitting that it's an investment.
Sometimes you can lose money on investments, especially when they have nothing but numismatic value. -RubyPorto
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:18:00 -
[617] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:There are still many dozens, if not, hundreds, of the players who saw their investment on these Ishukone Shirts & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) devalued from 2B ISK to 0.022B (22 million) ISK as a result of CCP's grave mistake. (Personally, I had 3 shirts which equate to approximately 6B in losses --> I am sure there are MANY MORE who were adversely affected by this nonsensical devaluation as well).
There are many who owned several of these ISHUKONE shirts who had significant ISK tied up to this investment. Please provide us with your decision regarding this issue on reparation as soon as possible. It has been a week since you promised us an official answer. Please make this happen. You keep admitting that it's an investment. Sometimes you can lose money on investments, especially when they have nothing but numismatic value.
Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel modules for 2.2B each a day before, totaling 6.6B in investment. Then without a single warning, CCP decides to make those precious Estamel modules of yours, available for 1/100 of the original price you paid. Having lost approximately 6.5B in investments, you would be equally enraged and most likely, you will cancel your subscription.
CCP admitted that having those Ishukone & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) re-issued on NeX store for mere fraction of the original market value, was a mistake. I understand that you disagree with my sentiment, but what are you trying to achieve by keep telling everyone that we, the players, should solely assume the cost of CCP's mistake? CCP promised a reparation. Could you say something that is more productive than saying "you don't deserve this" over and over again? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8405
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:18:00 -
[618] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:And then there's you telling both that they are wrong . Where? When? Put another way: no. I'm simply asking him a question he cannot answer.
Quote:You are trolling the OP and anyone who agrees with him. Evidenced by the deletion of your posts in this thread. Non troll posts don't get deleted. So you believe that the OP is a troll, then, seeing as how a number of his posts have been deleted. Goodie. And no, I'm not trolling the OP GÇö I'm asking him a question. If he gets distressed by this, then that is an answer in and of itselfGǪ
Tyberius Franklin wrote:That was a statement that didn't say what I intended and was corrected. My point being that neither item has any value that is explicitly tied to that of another item in game. Or had rather, the shirts in the FW LP store broke this comparison. Ah, ok. That makes more sense.
Quote:Granted the nature of the item is frivolous, though, as was pointed out earlier, when you have fostered a collectors mentality in some of your customers with truly limited release items, of which there are several, it makes sense to not preemptively kill interest in any future offers of a similar nature. Oh, I don't knowGǪ if I were mischievous, I'd say that it's an interesting exit strategy: mess it up enough times to nuke, salt the earth, and horribly mutilate the remains of any seeds of letting the NeX remain, and then finally admit to what everyone's been saying all along: that it just doesn't work and remove it from the game.
The Antiquarian wrote:Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel modules for 2.2B each a day before, totaling 6.6B in investment. Then without a single warning, CCP decides to make those precious Estamel modules of yours, available for 1/100 of the original price you paid. Having lost approximately 6.5B in investments, you would be equally enraged and most likely, you will cancel your subscription. No, because it was an investment. They inherently come at a risk. So most likely, you'd try to cash out on at a minimal loss or just keep them as a mementoGǪ or, hell, start to use them rather than have them collect dust as just another expensive item. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:30:00 -
[619] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:There are still many dozens, if not, hundreds, of the players who saw their investment on these Ishukone Shirts & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) devalued from 2B ISK to 0.022B (22 million) ISK as a result of CCP's grave mistake. (Personally, I had 3 shirts which equate to approximately 6B in losses --> I am sure there are MANY MORE who were adversely affected by this nonsensical devaluation as well).
There are many who owned several of these ISHUKONE shirts who had significant ISK tied up to this investment. Please provide us with your decision regarding this issue on reparation as soon as possible. It has been a week since you promised us an official answer. Please make this happen. You keep admitting that it's an investment. Sometimes you can lose money on investments, especially when they have nothing but numismatic value. Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel modules for 2.2B each a day before, totaling 6.6B in investment. Then without a single warning, CCP decides to make those precious Estamel modules of yours, available for 1/100 of the original price you paid. Having lost approximately 6.5B in investments, you would be equally enraged and most likely, you will cancel your subscription. CCP admitted that having those Ishukone & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) re-issued on NeX store for mere fraction of the original market value, was a mistake. I understand that you disagree with my sentiment, but what are you trying to achieve by keep telling everyone that we, the players, should solely assume the cost of CCP's mistake? CCP promised a reparation. Could you say something that is more productive than saying "you don't deserve this" over and over again?
I'd be happily fitting them to my ship, because I wasn't silly enough to make an investment into a commodity with nothing aside from its numismatic value.
You lost money on an Investment. You thought you were going to make money on it. You lost out on an investment. That happens, and that's why it's an investment. -RubyPorto
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:37:00 -
[620] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:There are still many dozens, if not, hundreds, of the players who saw their investment on these Ishukone Shirts & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) devalued from 2B ISK to 0.022B (22 million) ISK as a result of CCP's grave mistake. (Personally, I had 3 shirts which equate to approximately 6B in losses --> I am sure there are MANY MORE who were adversely affected by this nonsensical devaluation as well).
There are many who owned several of these ISHUKONE shirts who had significant ISK tied up to this investment. Please provide us with your decision regarding this issue on reparation as soon as possible. It has been a week since you promised us an official answer. Please make this happen. You keep admitting that it's an investment. Sometimes you can lose money on investments, especially when they have nothing but numismatic value. Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel modules for 2.2B each a day before, totaling 6.6B in investment. Then without a single warning, CCP decides to make those precious Estamel modules of yours, available for 1/100 of the original price you paid. Having lost approximately 6.5B in investments, you would be equally enraged and most likely, you will cancel your subscription. CCP admitted that having those Ishukone & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) re-issued on NeX store for mere fraction of the original market value, was a mistake. I understand that you disagree with my sentiment, but what are you trying to achieve by keep telling everyone that we, the players, should solely assume the cost of CCP's mistake? CCP promised a reparation. Could you say something that is more productive than saying "you don't deserve this" over and over again? I'd be happily fitting them to my ship, because I wasn't silly enough to make an investment into a commodity with nothing aside from its numismatic value. You lost money on an Investment. You thought you were going to make money on it. You lost out on an investment. That happens, and that's why it's an investment.
You forgot to mention the point that if 3 of your Estamel modules' market value dropped from 6.6B to 0.06B, you would most likely be equally enraged and rage-quitted your subscription.
You keep claiming that Estamel and Ishukone shirts are different. They are not. You would've held Estamel not only because it is a powerful module, but also, because it has an investment value. Ishuokone Special Edition Shirt was a "powerful shirt (awesome fashion statement that provides immeasurable feeling of bliss for certain roleplayers or collectors!!!)" that has an investment value as well. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8406
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:50:00 -
[621] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:You forgot to mention the point that if 3 of your Estamel modules' market value dropped from 6.6B to 0.06B, you would most likely be equally enraged and rage-quitted your subscription. He probably didn't forget it. He just wouldn't do it. After all, why would he?
Quote:You keep claiming that Estamel and Ishukone shirts are different. Where did he claim anything of the kind? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:56:00 -
[622] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:You forgot to mention the point that if 3 of your Estamel modules' market value dropped from 6.6B to 0.06B, you would most likely be equally enraged and rage-quitted your subscription. He probably didn't forget it. He just wouldn't do it. After all, why would he? Quote:You keep claiming that Estamel and Ishukone shirts are different. Where did he claim anything of the kind?
Tippia, I have questions for you.
Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel Modules that have maintained market value of 2.2B each, totaling approximately 6.6B. Then one day, without a warning, CCP decided to make those same Estamel Modules available for 1/100th of the original price you paid. In a single hour, you see your 6.6B in net worth, decline to pitiful 66 million ISK. Are you going to just smile, act like nothing happened, and keep going on with your daily EVE Online life? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8407
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:00:00 -
[623] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel Modules that have maintained market value of 2.2B each, totaling approximately 6.6B. Then one day, without a warning, CCP decided to make those same Estamel Modules available for 1/100th of the original price you paid. In a single hour, you see your 6.6B in net worth, decline to pitiful 66 million ISK. Are you going to just smile, act like nothing happened, and keep going on with your daily EVE Online life? Yes. Why wouldn't I? Estamels for 66M GÇö cheap enough to fit on just about anything that is worth protecting (and which, with Estamels, will now be very well protected) GÇö what's not to like?
GǪoh, and as an added bonus, the tears from the T2 BPO holders would be glorious. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:01:00 -
[624] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:There are still many dozens, if not, hundreds, of the players who saw their investment on these Ishukone Shirts & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) devalued from 2B ISK to 0.022B (22 million) ISK as a result of CCP's grave mistake. (Personally, I had 3 shirts which equate to approximately 6B in losses --> I am sure there are MANY MORE who were adversely affected by this nonsensical devaluation as well).
There are many who owned several of these ISHUKONE shirts who had significant ISK tied up to this investment. Please provide us with your decision regarding this issue on reparation as soon as possible. It has been a week since you promised us an official answer. Please make this happen. You keep admitting that it's an investment. Sometimes you can lose money on investments, especially when they have nothing but numismatic value. Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel modules for 2.2B each a day before, totaling 6.6B in investment. Then without a single warning, CCP decides to make those precious Estamel modules of yours, available for 1/100 of the original price you paid. Having lost approximately 6.5B in investments, you would be equally enraged and most likely, you will cancel your subscription. CCP admitted that having those Ishukone & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) re-issued on NeX store for mere fraction of the original market value, was a mistake. I understand that you disagree with my sentiment, but what are you trying to achieve by keep telling everyone that we, the players, should solely assume the cost of CCP's mistake? CCP promised a reparation. Could you say something that is more productive than saying "you don't deserve this" over and over again? I'd be happily fitting them to my ship, because I wasn't silly enough to make an investment into a commodity with nothing aside from its numismatic value. You lost money on an Investment. You thought you were going to make money on it. You lost out on an investment. That happens, and that's why it's an investment. You forgot to mention the point that if 3 of your Estamel modules' market value dropped from 6.6B to 0.06B, you would most likely be equally enraged and rage-quitted your subscription. You keep claiming that Estamel and Ishukone shirts are different. They are not. You would've held Estamel not only because it is a powerful module, but also, because it has an investment value. Ishuokone Special Edition Shirt is a "powerful shirt (awesome fashion statement that provides immeasurable feeling of bliss for certain roleplayers or collectors!!!)" that has an investment value as well.
Ok, so that value is still there for you. You still have the shirt. It still has all the inherent properties it had when you got it for free.
Just like the Estamel's example.
And I wouldn't quit, because losing out on investments is the risk you take when you risk money on investments in order to make money (you hope). -RubyPorto
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:06:00 -
[625] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel Modules that have maintained market value of 2.2B each, totaling approximately 6.6B. Then one day, without a warning, CCP decided to make those same Estamel Modules available for 1/100th of the original price you paid. In a single hour, you see your 6.6B in net worth, decline to pitiful 66 million ISK. Are you going to just smile, act like nothing happened, and keep going on with your daily EVE Online life? Yes. Why wouldn't I? Estamels for 66M GÇö cheap enough to fit on just about anything that is worth protecting (and which, with Estamels, will now be very well protected) GÇö what's not to like?
Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. Then without a warning, the same government introduced a regulation that decreased the value of the firm from $20 billion to $20 million. Are you telling me that without a doubt, you will be content with the situation and you will have no single thread of grudge against this dilema? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8407
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:09:00 -
[626] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. GǪwhich would make it completely unlike what is going on here, so that's a red herring. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:12:00 -
[627] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. GǪwhich would make it completely unlike what is going on here, so that's a red herring.
Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8407
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:16:00 -
[628] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question? It's not similar because no-one had you do anything. You chose to take the risk of your own volition. As such, while I can answer the question, it is of no relevance to the topic at hand.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
267
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:17:00 -
[629] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. GǪwhich would make it completely unlike what is going on here, so that's a red herring. Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question?
She didn't say "unlikely" she said "unlike"
This item was given away for free. The market price for it stabilized at some value due to whatever.
The correct analogy would be if the Government gave people a Pony for free if they did some other action, then started selling Ponies to other people for a nickel.
If, between those times, you bought a pony for something more than a nickel, you lost at your investment. Too bad, so sad. -RubyPorto
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1572
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:21:00 -
[630] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:And then there's you telling both that they are wrong . Where? When? Put another way: no. I'm simply asking him a question he cannot answer. Quote:You are trolling the OP and anyone who agrees with him. Evidenced by the deletion of your posts in this thread. Non troll posts don't get deleted. So you believe that the OP is a troll, then, seeing as how a number of his posts have been deleted. Goodie. And no, I'm not trolling the OP GÇö I'm asking him a question. If he gets distressed by this, then that is an answer in and of itselfGǪ
Straw man, deflection and denial.
Still the same old Tippia.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:21:00 -
[631] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. GǪwhich would make it completely unlike what is going on here, so that's a red herring. Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question? She didn't say "unlikely" she said "unlike" This item was given away for free. The market price for it stabilized at some value due to whatever. The correct analogy would be if the Government gave people a Pony for free if they did some other action, then started selling Ponies to other people for a nickel. If, between those times, you bought a pony for something more than a nickel, you lost at your investment. Too bad, so sad.
So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:23:00 -
[632] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question? It's not similar because no-one had you do anything. You chose to take the risk of your own volition. As such, while I can answer the question, it is of no relevance to the topic at hand.
Oh let me restate my question then. Lets say the government made it sound as if Bear Stern was a decent investment. Does this make you happy now? You are telling me that you will be ok if your investment turns to dust? |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:24:00 -
[633] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. GǪwhich would make it completely unlike what is going on here, so that's a red herring. Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question? She didn't say "unlikely" she said "unlike" This item was given away for free. The market price for it stabilized at some value due to whatever. The correct analogy would be if the Government gave people a Pony for free if they did some other action, then started selling Ponies to other people for a nickel. If, between those times, you bought a pony for something more than a nickel, you lost at your investment. Too bad, so sad. So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8407
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:26:00 -
[634] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Straw man, deflection and denial. Where is the strawman? Where is the deflection? What am I denying?
Why can't you show where I'm telling the OP and the devs that they are wrong?
The Antiquarian wrote:So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk? Actually, you are essentially saying that because you insist on calling it an investment. Investments occasionally fail to generate a return (or even pay themselves back), you knowGǪ
Quote:Oh let me restate my question then. Lets say the government made it sound as if Bear Stern was a decent investment. Does this make you happy now? You are telling me that you will be ok if your investment turns to dust? It's still on me to do the due diligence and analysis on the investment, and I still have to accept the risk of it failing in spite of those efforts. Regardless, that's still a red herring, since as far as anyone has been able to show, there is nothing to suggest that CCP made the shirt sound like a decent investment. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:28:00 -
[635] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Straw man, deflection and denial. Where is the strawman? Where is the deflection? What am I denying? Why can't you show where I'm telling the OP and the devs that they are wrong? The Antiquarian wrote:So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk? Actually, you are essentially saying that because you insist on calling it an investment. Investments occasionally fail to generate a return (or even pay themselves back), you knowGǪ
Tippia, are you saying that those who purchased the Shirt prior to this artificial devaluation by CCP's own mistake, doesn't deserve any compensation? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8407
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:31:00 -
[636] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia, are you saying that those who purchased the Shirt prior to this artificial devaluation by CCP's own mistake, doesn't deserve any compensation? Why would they? They either got it for free, or they got what they paid for, or they gambled and lost.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:35:00 -
[637] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia, are you saying that those who purchased the Shirt prior to this artificial devaluation by CCP's own mistake, doesn't deserve any compensation? Why would they? They either got it for free, or they got what they paid for, or they gambled and lost.
So you are telling me that if you purchased Estamel's module for 2.2B and its market value declines to 22M the next day solely from the artificial devaluation caused by CCP's mistake, you won't care? That you will act like nothing happened? You will consider that as part of the risk and move on without asking CCP for any compensation? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8408
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:42:00 -
[638] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:So you are telling me No, I'm asking you a question that you've been avoiding for the last 20 pages or so.
Quote:if you purchased Estamel's module for 2.2B and its market value declines to 22M the next day solely from the artificial devaluation caused by CCP's mistake, you won't care? Oh I'll care. As mentioned, this will mean I can now give ships a 400% shield EHP boost for about 40M and have tons of slots left for more interesting things. I'd care a great deal about such a nice (massive) buff. Had I dope-slapped myself over not waiting a day? Maybe, but then again, if I could splash out the aforementioned 6.6bn on a couple of modules, it would mean I could afford it to begin with, and ISK is just ISK. If nothing else, I can now afford to lose a ship with those mods on and not look very silly on the killboards.
I'd still have the modules and they'd still serve the purpose they always did, and again, the tears of the T2 inventors and BPO holders would soothe any lingering pain. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
267
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:42:00 -
[639] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. GǪwhich would make it completely unlike what is going on here, so that's a red herring. Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question? She didn't say "unlikely" she said "unlike" This item was given away for free. The market price for it stabilized at some value due to whatever. The correct analogy would be if the Government gave people a Pony for free if they did some other action, then started selling Ponies to other people for a nickel. If, between those times, you bought a pony for something more than a nickel, you lost at your investment. Too bad, so sad. So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk?
Yep. You entered a market which had nothing propping up the prices beside an artificial rarity. That was your choice. The primary risk you face is the rarity disappearing. You had to judge whether that risk was worth it. If you didn't think that through, that's on you.
Also, this means your OP and Thread title are disingenuous if you bought the item on the market. -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1572
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Posted - 2012.07.07 22:38:00 -
[640] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:
Yep. You entered a market which had nothing propping up the prices beside an artificial rarity. That was your choice. The primary risk you face is the rarity disappearing. You had to judge whether that risk was worth it. If you didn't think that through, that's on you.
Also, this means your OP and Thread title are disingenuous if you bought the item on the market.
You mean the artificial rarity that CCP has confirmed to be intended? On an item that was confirmed by CCP to be a one time promotional item?
I can't be bothered to link anymore than I can with the other troll, but I'm sure you are able to figure out how to check the blue posts in this thread to confirm.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8412
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Posted - 2012.07.07 22:48:00 -
[641] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:You mean the artificial rarity that CCP has confirmed to be intended? On an item that was confirmed by CCP to be a one time promotional item?
I can't be bothered to link anymore than I can with the other troll How is it a troll to explain the basic risk of the GÇ£investmentGÇ¥ the OP made? How does what the devs said in any way affect the fact that the OP made the decision to take that risk?
You can quote the devs as much as you like, but just like with my question (that neither of you have been able to answer), it doesn't actually address the point being made. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Irwin
Intersteller Inventions Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 23:39:00 -
[642] - Quote
been following this topic and am still waiting for an end to it all... or do I have to wait until Friday 29th June 2013? Maybe I got the dates mixed up.. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 02:14:00 -
[643] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:You mean the artificial rarity that CCP has confirmed to be intended? On an item that was confirmed by CCP to be a one time promotional item?
I can't be bothered to link anymore than I can with the other troll How is it a troll to explain the basic risk of the GÇ£investmentGÇ¥ the OP made? How does what the devs said in any way affect the fact that the OP made the decision to take that risk? You can quote the devs as much as you like, but just like with my question (that neither of you have been able to answer), it doesn't actually address the point being made.
Once again, the way you and I think are so different that we will never be able to come up with compromising answer that is mutually agreeable by both of us. Just because the way we think is different, doesn't necessary mean one is right and other is wrong.
I label all ingame items that exist in EVE Online as "investments" because they are means to not only maintain the value of our initial capital, but to yield additional returns. As you claim, you are absolutely right that just like any other investments, these assets carry risk where they could also yield negative return. But at the same time, we are not strictly abiding by the Finance-concept of risk because we do not keep these items purely for finance-investment & speculative purpose.
Our purpose extends beyond that. We hold these unique items to satisfy our innate desires as collectors. You also believe in EVE Online being a sandbox where a player could do anything he or she wants? EVE throws a rubric cube at us and it's up to us to decide what the **** to do with it. Perhaps speculation is an unavoidable evil in collecting profession, but we are not holding these unique items just for the sole purpose of seeing our net worth go up. What we ask is some form of "stability" that CCP has generously provided to other professions.
We consider "collecting" as a legitimate profession and the only thing we ask is for CCP to give as much respect to our profession as it does to any other professions in EVE including PvPing, Roleplaying, and PvEing missioners. One way for CCP to legitimize and give equal weight to our profession is to provide a stable environment where our collection doesn't go under water. Have you seen an instance where without a single warning, CCP deprived countless hours of PvPers' collective effort by making the power of the super-capitals equal to that of cruisers? Have you seen an instance where a missioner was deprived of countless hours he put into faction standing by having CCP announce without a warning, that you are only entitled only to level 1 mission? Have you ever seen an instance where CCP ban the provision of outside services to obtain ISK (including corp logo creation, killmail systems, teamspeak for payment), etc, without warning? From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession."
If you can't see the difference, then I have nothing more to say to you. You can keep playing word games of yours, but I can't guarantee you that I will be reading any more of your postings.
CCP already admitted that reissuance of Ishukone Shirt and Women's Executor (Red/Gold) was a grave mistake on CCP's part and they will be providing the disadvantaged parties with appropriate compensation. You can keep telling everyone that we do not deserve a single compensation, but CCP already disagrees with you on that. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
164
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Posted - 2012.07.08 06:23:00 -
[644] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:You forgot to mention the point that if 3 of your Estamel modules' market value dropped from 6.6B to 0.06B, you would most likely be equally enraged and rage-quitted your subscription.
You keep claiming that Estamel and Ishukone shirts are different. They are not. You would've held Estamel not only because it is a powerful module, but also, because it has an investment value. Ishuokone Special Edition Shirt is a "powerful shirt (awesome fashion statement that provides immeasurable feeling of bliss for certain roleplayers or collectors!!!)" that has an investment value as well.
Couldn't be more wrong here, because I actually like EVE for other reasons than the stuff I have in it. The nature of EVE is what keeps me here. So long as I've got a shiny new ibis and a golden mining laser of hope, I'm good. The sandbox is mine. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 07:52:00 -
[645] - Quote
Mechael wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:You forgot to mention the point that if 3 of your Estamel modules' market value dropped from 6.6B to 0.06B, you would most likely be equally enraged and rage-quitted your subscription.
You keep claiming that Estamel and Ishukone shirts are different. They are not. You would've held Estamel not only because it is a powerful module, but also, because it has an investment value. Ishuokone Special Edition Shirt is a "powerful shirt (awesome fashion statement that provides immeasurable feeling of bliss for certain roleplayers or collectors!!!)" that has an investment value as well. Couldn't be more wrong here, because I actually like EVE for other reasons than the stuff I have in it. The nature of EVE is what keeps me here. So long as I've got a shiny new ibis and a golden mining laser of hope, I'm good. The sandbox is mine. Losing is all part of the fun, and often times even more fun than winning when there's a great story attached.
I wholeheartedly agree. Losing 6.6B worth of investment is great when the loss stems from Goons suicide ganking and it makes a terrific story and I would even compliment Goons for a job well done.
But when I lose 6.6B because of CCP's carelessness mistake, there is nothing glorious about that. |
Dealth Striker
Striker Ltd
15
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Posted - 2012.07.08 08:26:00 -
[646] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote: Will the shirts we bought for 500 Aur be deleted after the "fix"?
Nope! Thank you for providing us with prompt responses. In that case, could you kindly let us know what is being planned to provide a fair and appropriate compensation for the investors who were disenfranchised by the devaluation of their investments on Ishukone Special Edition & Women's Executor (Red/Gold)? Wouldn't it be only fair that we are compensated for another set of unique items currently non-existant in the market as part of returning our financials to the previous status while simultaneously providing us with the reparation for all the inconvenience this issue has caused? I am working with Torfi to resolve this situation for everyone as quickly as possible. As this affects several hundred pilots we want to make sure that we are doing it right and as fairly to everyone as possible. There are two different scenarios here and the issue of the Ishukone shirt and Executor coat are different. I will explain why: Ishukone Sterling Shirt - Issued over a very specific time frame. This item should only be valid for pilots who participated in the PLEX offer which happened in October 2011. Women's Executor Coat -Part of the Russian Collectors edition which is still in circulation. While still a rare item, there will be more added to the game naturally as more people pick up a copy of the Russian box. I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours.
Good aim I see. Your def'n of 24 hours is alot different than mine. Sad really that there has no follow up but that is CCP's communication process I guess. We can take comfort that they actually admitted it was a mistake. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8414
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Posted - 2012.07.08 09:34:00 -
[647] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession." The difference is that your collection is completely untouched, as is, by and large, you GÇ£professionGÇ¥.
You still have your item. It still performs the exact same function. As such, it is completely unlike the incomparables you listed GÇö the nerfed cruisers or removed standings or removed meta-functionality are all just that: removed functionality. Your shirt remains functionally identical and hasn't been changed in the slightest.
Yes, you could argue that its value changed, but then you're talking as a speculator, in which case I have to inform you that this is an insignificantly minute change compared to the vast speculation losses that have been caused by CCP's game changes over the years (cf. the dysproGåÆtech bottleneck changeover; the PI changes; any mineral adjustment ever made; hell, pretty much any adjustment ever to a set of raw materials).
So that's why we continuously arrive back at that same old question: why should they compensate you for something you got for free? If you're a collector, nothing is lost. If you're a speculator, then that's the name of the game GÇö better luck next time. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 09:48:00 -
[648] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession." The difference is that your collection is completely untouched, as is, by and large, you GÇ£professionGÇ¥. You still have your item. It still performs the exact same function. As such, it is completely unlike the incomparables you listed GÇö the nerfed cruisers or removed standings or removed meta-functionality are all just that: removed functionality. Your shirt remains functionally identical and hasn't been changed in the slightest. Yes, you could argue that its value changed, but then you're talking as a speculator, in which case I have to inform you that this is an insignificantly minute change compared to the vast speculation losses that have been caused by CCP's game changes over the years (cf. the dysproGåÆtech bottleneck changeover; the PI changes; any mineral adjustment ever made; hell, pretty much any adjustment ever to a set of raw materials). So that's why we continuously arrive back at that same old question: why should they compensate you for something you got for free? If you're a collector, nothing is lost. If you're a speculator, then that's the name of the game GÇö better luck next time.
I gave my explanations again and again, for the past week and half, but obviously you are refusing to read anything anyone says. There is only one response to our trolling and that is using the ignore function on you.
Please do keep posting something because this thread definitely needs continuous bumping. |
Dealth Striker
Striker Ltd
15
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Posted - 2012.07.08 09:54:00 -
[649] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession." The difference is that your collection is completely untouched, as is, by and large, you GÇ£professionGÇ¥. You still have your item. It still performs the exact same function. As such, it is completely unlike the incomparables you listed GÇö the nerfed cruisers or removed standings or removed meta-functionality are all just that: removed functionality. Your shirt remains functionally identical and hasn't been changed in the slightest. Yes, you could argue that its value changed, but then you're talking as a speculator, in which case I have to inform you that this is an insignificantly minute change compared to the vast speculation losses that have been caused by CCP's game changes over the years (cf. the dysproGåÆtech bottleneck changeover; the PI changes; any mineral adjustment ever made; hell, pretty much any adjustment ever to a set of raw materials). So that's why we continuously arrive back at that same old question: why should they compensate you for something you got for free? If you're a collector, nothing is lost. If you're a speculator, then that's the name of the game GÇö better luck next time.
Do you have a collection of items? I think you are not a collector, if you were, then you would understand that the item does not perform the exact same function now. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
344
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Posted - 2012.07.08 09:55:00 -
[650] - Quote
Geez people, this was an CCP SNAFU. Nothing done by design.
Just give the rich guy with the butt plug eye a bucket load of ISK as compensation and let's get back to our regularly scheduled griping.
In principle recycling something that has been 'sold' as rare is pretty poor on CCP's part.
I'm sure Mr Old Guy won't go hungry, but man it's gotta be annoying. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8414
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:00:00 -
[651] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I gave my explanations again and again, for the past week and half, but obviously you are refusing to read anything anyone says. No. You kept responding with an irrelevant quote; you kept saying that you didn't read my posts; you dispensed red herrings as if there had been a fish explosion in a Swedish paint factory; you get posts removed for spamming and trolling; at some point, I'm fairly certain you just outright blocked me.
You never actually answered the question.
Yes, I understand that you lost money on your speculation. So what? It was your risk to take, and as far as CCP-caused speculation loss goes, it's fairly small. Why should you be compensated for it? Alternatively: yes, I understand that your collection was devalued. So what? It's still intact. Why should you be compensated for a non-loss? You got exactly what you wanted and you have exactly what you wanted and you didn't pay anything for it GÇö in fact, you got a whole lot of stuff at a discounted price. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:19:00 -
[652] - Quote
Tippia View post Show posts
This is great. I did not realize that silence could feel this good. Tippia, I suggest that you stop writing nonsense and just wait until CCP provides us with the response. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8417
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:22:00 -
[653] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia, I suggest that you stop writing nonsense GǪsuch as?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:48:00 -
[654] - Quote
Tippia View post Show posts |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8417
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:15:00 -
[655] - Quote
So. You have no good examples then.
Well, that's unsurprising since it's consistent with everything else you've failed to produce so far. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:32:00 -
[656] - Quote
Still waiting for the response from CCP. |
Disdaine
417
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Posted - 2012.07.08 12:27:00 -
[657] - Quote
I feel sorry for you Tippia, I really do. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
22
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Posted - 2012.07.08 13:35:00 -
[658] - Quote
Still awaiting the details of the fix.
The sooner you fix it, the sooner this thread leaves the front page. |
Dr Grey
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:16:00 -
[659] - Quote
Bad CCP
I disappointed that Peons could get a nice red coat like mine so easily
I had to sell TEST pony pictures to the Russians to get mine ......
I will only forgive you if you give me a mirror for my Supercap :)
NOW IS THE TIME FOR SWIFT AND DECISIVE ACTION CCP |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8421
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:32:00 -
[660] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:I feel sorry for you Tippia, I really do. It's ok. I'm quite used to trolls not being able to answer simple questions or justify their stance. That's why I pose questions and ask them to justify their stance. So no need to feel sorry GÇö it's all in a day's workGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Dr Grey
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:40:00 -
[661] - Quote
Thinking about it
CCP,..... give me a mirror for my super cap and I wont mention that those green mens coats are also impacted by this debarcal To be fair they didnt have much style so only probably the peons have then but ...
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1579
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:56:00 -
[662] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:Still awaiting the details of the fix.
The sooner you fix it, the sooner this thread leaves the front page.
Guess I'd better get it back on page one then.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
98
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:10:00 -
[663] - Quote
If CCP can remove these items why can't they remove T2BPO's? Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
792
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:16:00 -
[664] - Quote
They are not removing the items. Why did you take my wings away? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1579
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:29:00 -
[665] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:They are not removing the items.
Link?
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8427
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:50:00 -
[666] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:KrakizBad wrote:They are not removing the items. Link? For someone so fond of referring to what the devs have said in the thread, you're remarkably unfamiliar with what they've said in the thread
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Zeruma
Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires
4
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:52:00 -
[667] - Quote
Sometimes I read ccp forums and get confused and think I might be playing second life by mistake |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1579
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:59:00 -
[668] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:KrakizBad wrote:They are not removing the items. Link? For someone so fond of referring to what the devs have said in the thread, you're remarkably unfamiliar with what they've said in the thread
Second time you've responded to someone elses query.
Either you are butt hurt from being put in your place or just stalking me.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
280
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Posted - 2012.07.08 20:03:00 -
[669] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:KrakizBad wrote:They are not removing the items. Link? For someone so fond of referring to what the devs have said in the thread, you're remarkably unfamiliar with what they've said in the thread Second time you've responded to someone elses query. Either you are butt hurt from being put in your place or just stalking me. Mr Epeen
The nature of the public forums. You want a private debate, send a mail. -RubyPorto
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8427
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Posted - 2012.07.08 20:03:00 -
[670] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Second time you've responded to someone elses query. Incorrect. If you don't want the answer, don't ask the question. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1580
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Posted - 2012.07.08 21:16:00 -
[671] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote: Blather
It's never made sense to me that they allow banned players to keep posting on an alt.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
793
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Posted - 2012.07.08 22:21:00 -
[672] - Quote
~deal with it~ or HTFU, take your pick. Also, thanks Tippia! Why did you take my wings away? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1583
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Posted - 2012.07.08 22:27:00 -
[673] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote: Also, thanks Tippia!
You should be thanking him.
Your posting is bad enough now. Imagine it with no one to cover your ass for you.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4271
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Posted - 2012.07.08 22:36:00 -
[674] - Quote
How in the name of a loving God did this thread reach 27 pages? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
793
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Posted - 2012.07.08 22:38:00 -
[675] - Quote
my posting reputation Why did you take my wings away? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2012.07.08 23:02:00 -
[676] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Blather It's never made sense to me that they allow banned players to keep posting on an alt. Mr Epeen
Aside from trying to discuss moderation actions, have you seen any indication that forums were the appropriate place for a conversation you wanted to keep private? -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
413
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Posted - 2012.07.08 23:25:00 -
[677] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:How in the name of a loving God did this thread reach 27 pages?
Internet Space shirts is serious business. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:19:00 -
[678] - Quote
Virgil Travis wrote:Malcanis wrote:How in the name of a loving God did this thread reach 27 pages? Internet Space shirts is serious business.
Very very serious. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.09 10:51:00 -
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Happy Monday, my dear CCP Devs!!!!!!!!
What does it take to get the CCP Devs response that was promised a week and half ago? |
Hae Mosu
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:18:00 -
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ive been waiting for news from ccp too. its been too long. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:00:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote: Will the shirts we bought for 500 Aur be deleted after the "fix"?
Nope! Thank you for providing us with prompt responses. In that case, could you kindly let us know what is being planned to provide a fair and appropriate compensation for the investors who were disenfranchised by the devaluation of their investments on Ishukone Special Edition & Women's Executor (Red/Gold)? Wouldn't it be only fair that we are compensated for another set of unique items currently non-existant in the market as part of returning our financials to the previous status while simultaneously providing us with the reparation for all the inconvenience this issue has caused? I am working with Torfi to resolve this situation for everyone as quickly as possible. As this affects several hundred pilots we want to make sure that we are doing it right and as fairly to everyone as possible. There are two different scenarios here and the issue of the Ishukone shirt and Executor coat are different. I will explain why: Ishukone Sterling Shirt - Issued over a very specific time frame. This item should only be valid for pilots who participated in the PLEX offer which happened in October 2011. Women's Executor Coat -Part of the Russian Collectors edition which is still in circulation. While still a rare item, there will be more added to the game naturally as more people pick up a copy of the Russian box. I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours.
Dear CCP Navigator and CCP t0rfifrans, it's been a week and half and we still haven't received any response regarding this issue. Could you kindly keep us updated on what is going on? Waiting for a day was already hard enough. Waiting for another week? =/ |
Yagutsa
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:01:00 -
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******* nerd |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:03:00 -
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Yagutsa wrote:******* nerd
Coming from someone who spends equal amount of time pvping and fulfilling his ego out of it, I find it laughable.
We are all nerds. |
AndromacheDarkstar
Phantom Brigade Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:21:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:So what you're saying is, that investing in virtual goods owned by a corporation you have no control over might not be a wise move. I can see why you're upset and hope CCP doesn't make a habit of making special edition items common, but I just can't get that upset with you over a shirt especially, since the shirt was a bonus gift given on top of a normal purchase of a PLEX packet.
If im honest i could be bothered to read through all fo the posts here but i think this one pretty much sums up a perfect response and its done on the front page. Your upset over a virtual shirt, that was given away as a free gift, for buying something else you got use out of. Get over it.
"Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:29:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:So what you're saying is, that investing in virtual goods owned by a corporation you have no control over might not be a wise move. I can see why you're upset and hope CCP doesn't make a habit of making special edition items common, but I just can't get that upset with you over a shirt especially, since the shirt was a bonus gift given on top of a normal purchase of a PLEX packet. If im honest i could be bothered to read through all fo the posts here but i think this one pretty much sums up a perfect response and its done on the front page. Your upset over a virtual shirt, that was given away as a free gift, for buying something else you got use out of. Get over it. "Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."
What's there to argue regarding the validity of my points? CCP already told us that reissuance of ISHUKONE Shirt was a mistake on their part and assured us that some kind of reparation will be provided.
I am just waiting here, waiting for CCP's promised answer. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8444
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:32:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:What's there to argue regarding the validity of my points? CCP already told us that reissuance of ISHUKONE Shirt was a mistake on their part and assured us that some kind of reparation will be provided. GǪactually, no reparation was promised GÇö just that they'd try to think of something GÇ£fairGÇ¥.
The fair thing to do, obviously, is to give people back the 500 AUR they spent on a free shirt. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:19:00 -
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CCP, please provide us with your responses so we can all move on. Having to read hundreds of trollin posts... oh man... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8446
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:21:00 -
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So you agree, then. That's awfully kind of you, especially after having been banging on about how they ruined your investment. One would have thought you meant compensation for yourself after all that, rather than for those who lost actual currency. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:23:00 -
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Still waiting for Dev's response. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1592
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:So you agree, then. That's awfully kind of you, especially after having been banging on about how they ruined your investment. One would have thought you meant compensation for yourself after all that, rather than for those who lost actual currency.
There must be some medical term for people who continue to talk to people who are, in no uncertain terms, not listening to them.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8446
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:26:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:There must be some medical term for people who continue to talk to people who are, in no uncertain terms, not listening to them. It's not really a medical term, but the adjective you're looking for is GÇ£patientGÇ¥.
Anyway, it's nice to see that the OP has so changed his tune and are now looking out for the interest of others rather than himself. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:30:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Tippia wrote:So you agree, then. That's awfully kind of you, especially after having been banging on about how they ruined your investment. One would have thought you meant compensation for yourself after all that, rather than for those who lost actual currency. There must be some medical term for people who continue to talk to people who are, in no uncertain terms, not listening to them. Mr Epeen
Why did you have to quote Tippia the Troll? Now I ended up reading his senseless posting. =(
Still seeking for Devs' response that was promised a week and half ago. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1593
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:There must be some medical term for people who continue to talk to people who are, in no uncertain terms, not listening to them. It's not really a medical term, but the adjective you're looking for is GÇ£patientGÇ¥.
I would lean more towards arrogant, or more likely, narcissistic. Because you are not really trying to talk to him. You are just being sure that everyone reading knows you are right. Because you are always right. Right?
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8446
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:49:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I would lean more towards arrogant, or more likely, narcissistic. Because you are not really trying to talk to him. Quite incorrect. He has already shown that he reads what I write so that excuse is rather spent. I'm really trying to make him answer the questions he apparently can't answer and engage him in a discussion to see if he has any kind of arguments to offer.
He's GÇ£not listeningGÇ¥ in much the same was as sticking your fingers in your ears and going GÇ£la-la-laGÇ¥ isn't listeningGǪ viz. not at all GÇö it's just a desperate attempt at avoiding the unavoidable.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.10 03:26:00 -
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still waiting for CCP Devs' response. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
797
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Posted - 2012.07.10 04:20:00 -
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Keep waiting. Why did you take my wings away? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.10 04:25:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Keep waiting.
All your postings do nothing, but to incite annoyance from the parties adversely affected by CCP's mistake.
I believe that falls in line with the very definition of being a troll and as such, I must "ignore" your postings as well.
Please do keep the bumps up though. I can't be on 24/7. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
345
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Posted - 2012.07.10 04:57:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Keep waiting. All your postings do nothing, but to incite annoyance from the parties adversely affected by CCP's mistake. I believe that falls in line with the very definition of being a troll and as such, I must "ignore" your postings as well. Please do keep the bumps up though. I can't be on 24/7.
Quote:12. Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited. Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or text or nonsensical posts that have no substance and are often designed to annoy other forum users. This includes GÇ£firstGÇ¥ and GÇ£go back to [another game]GÇ¥ posts. Bumping posts in order to keep them near the top of the list is also prohibited. Petitions or "/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted. Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome. -RubyPorto
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1597
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Posted - 2012.07.10 05:18:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:12. Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited. Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or text or nonsensical posts that have no substance and are often designed to annoy other forum users. This includes GÇ£firstGÇ¥ and GÇ£go back to [another game]GÇ¥ posts. Bumping posts in order to keep them near the top of the list is also prohibited. Petitions or "/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted. Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome.
Too bad you didn't find that rule before you were banned. People might have actually taken you seriously.
Or not.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
349
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Posted - 2012.07.10 05:33:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:12. Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited. Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or text or nonsensical posts that have no substance and are often designed to annoy other forum users. This includes GÇ£firstGÇ¥ and GÇ£go back to [another game]GÇ¥ posts. Bumping posts in order to keep them near the top of the list is also prohibited. Petitions or "/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted. Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome. Too bad you didn't find that rule before you were banned. People might have actually taken you seriously. Or not. Mr Epeen
I for the most part posted off topic, substantial threads. Just because they were locked claiming "Spam" doesn't mean they fit that definition.
And CCP seems to have taken us seriously. So it seems to have worked. -RubyPorto
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.10 07:46:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:12. Spamming, bumping and pyramid quoting are prohibited. Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or text or nonsensical posts that have no substance and are often designed to annoy other forum users. This includes GÇ£firstGÇ¥ and GÇ£go back to [another game]GÇ¥ posts. Bumping posts in order to keep them near the top of the list is also prohibited. Petitions or "/signed" posts are a version of bumping and likewise are not permitted. Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome. Too bad you didn't find that rule before you were banned. People might have actually taken you seriously. Or not. Mr Epeen I for the most part posted off topic, substantial threads. Just because they were locked claiming "Spam" doesn't mean they fit that definition. They were against the rules, sure, but they weren't SpamAnd CCP seems to have taken us seriously. So it seems to have worked. Anyway, this is off topic (like most of the OP's recent posts). OP: What is the appropriate recompense for something given away for free?
CCP Devs already mentioned that they have devised a plan that would provide fair compensation for all the affected parties. It's just that CCP Devs were probably too busy with Alliance Tournaments to implement that plan.
I am just here, asking CCP to expedite on providing a response that was promised a week and half ago.
I suggest you wait for CCP's response and question the fairness of CCP's decision then. I've provided my opinion/answers and you guys provided your opinions more than hundreds of times. If you take the time to read everything, all our answers are given and we are just fighting over and over again because of our differences in value system.
Once again, I suggest that you wait for CCP's response before spamming another repetitious "stuff."
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8470
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:31:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:CCP Devs already mentioned that they have devised a plan that would provide a fair compensation for all the affected parties. Again, no. You're reading an awful lot into a sentence that mentions none of those things.
They're trying to GÇ£formulate a plant that's as fair to as many as possibleGÇ¥. Compensation might be an outcome; it might also not. It might affect everyone; it might also not. Like I said, one fair deal would be to reimburse those who had to pay AUR for a free item. It could also be fair to just leave it as it is: you may have lost some value, but you got your stuff for free GÇö they had to pay for it, but now it's worth a bit more than when it was in the store. You feel very strongly that you should be compensated; we're asking you why and for what, and you have problems formulating an answer. This does not bode well.
Quote:It's just that CCP Devs were probably too busy with Alliance Tournaments to implement that plan. Nah. They're probably too busy with vacation. The ATs aren't really something that ties up dev resources (aside from appearing in the studio segments, but that won't start until next week).
Quote:I've provided my opinion/answers and you guys have provided the same for the past two weeks in this 27 page thread. Not really, no. You've provided some opinion but very little in the way of answers or arguments to back it up GÇö you've mostly offered deflections, red herrings, the odd straw man and ad hominem, and a fair bit of spam and trolling. You've continuously misread (or skipped) what others have written and just refused to stay on topic.
You're so locked into a an outcome that you feel must happen that you are apparently unable to discuss what might and what should happen, and the reasons for it. Dogmatism isn't particularly persuasiveGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
61
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:36:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote: I am just here, asking CCP to expedite on providing a response that was promised a week and half ago. Having been promised a response, I think we are entitled to be more vigilant in asking CCP since they do tend to forget these matters.
Given the response time for most petitions, waiting a week and a half for a response is about par, you should be more patient. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:42:00 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: I am just here, asking CCP to expedite on providing a response that was promised a week and half ago. Having been promised a response, I think we are entitled to be more vigilant in asking CCP since they do tend to forget these matters.
Given the response time for most petitions, waiting a week and a half for a response is about par, you should be more patient.
You are right, but I am just afraid that CCP Devs, overran by work and Alliance Tournaments, will forget to do anything about it. That's why I am asking for responses. This is CCP Navigator's forum response that we got on June 28th, which was approximately a week and half ago:
"I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours."
They made it sound as if the plan was finalized pending a review, but obviously that isn't the case. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1320
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Posted - 2012.07.10 13:53:00 -
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Ok, so here is the much delayed update. I am sorry that this has taken so long but we needed to run through a seriously complicated process to track down each unique shirt issued before June 25.
So here are the steps that will happen over the next few days to finalize this issue:
1, We will issue the following people a 'Mens Field Marshall Coat':
* Those players who took the PLEX offer in October and kept their shirt based on its exclusivity. * Players who bought the shirt from an original owner on the basis that it would be an exclusive item. Again, if the owner sold it on then the person who ultimately ended up with the shirt based on owning an exclusive item.
if you received the shirt and sold it or traded for a profit you will not receive this new item.
2, We are updating the item description for this jacket and this will be deployed in the next day or two. Once that deployment takes place we will redeem the item to all relevant account holders. Once this happens i will update the thread letting you know that the item is ready to be redeemed.
There are some edge cases involved with this of players who may have their shirt stored in secure containers or containers in space. These players will need to submit a petition to verify ownership.
It is difficult to give the perfect resolution in cases of this nature and we feel that this resolution benefits the greater number.
Thank you for your patience during this time. CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
548
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Posted - 2012.07.10 14:43:00 -
[706] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:Ok, so here is the much delayed update. I am sorry that this has taken so long but we needed to run through a seriously complicated process to track down each unique shirt issued before June 25. So here are the steps that will happen over the next few days to finalize this issue: 1, We will issue the following people a 'Mens Field Marshall Coat': * Those players who took the PLEX offer in October and kept their shirt based on its exclusivity. * Players who bought the shirt from an original owner on the basis that it would be an exclusive item. Again, if the owner sold it on then the person who ultimately ended up with the shirt based on owning an exclusive item. if you received the shirt and sold it or traded for a profit you will not receive this new item. 2, We are updating the item description for this jacket and this will be deployed in the next day or two. Once that deployment takes place we will redeem the item to all relevant account holders. Once this happens i will update the thread letting you know that the item is ready to be redeemed. There are some edge cases involved with this of players who may have their shirt stored in secure containers or containers in space. These players will need to s ubmit a petition to verify ownership. It is difficult to give the perfect resolution in cases of this nature and we feel that this resolution benefits the greater number. Thank you for your patience during this time. What about the Red/Gold female Executor coat that you also messed around with? Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Rikula
Opur
10
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Posted - 2012.07.10 14:49:00 -
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Thanks for the reply. Couple of questions
CCP Navigator wrote: 1, We will issue the following people a 'Mens Field Marshall Coat':
...
2, We are updating the item description for this jacket and this will be deployed in the next day or two.
Is this to be a 'Men's Field Marshall Coat' that is distinguished from the one currently available? I'm guessing the answer is yes, since you are saying that the item description will be changed. Will it be one of the green or silver version? Or just the current one with new description?
CCP Navigator wrote:There are some edge cases involved with this of players who may have their shirt stored in secure containers or containers in space. These players will need to s ubmit a petition to verify ownership.
I am one that has the shirts in a container. I also had some sold to me from existing buy orders once the 100 Aurum version went live. Should I move the shirts from the container it is in, in anticipation of this redemption?
Or will I risk having it mixed up/confused with the ones I purchased post-patch, and thus be denied a redeemable version? I still have them all, so it is easy to tell (based on transactions post-patch) how many I had prior to patch.
Thanks! |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
98
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Posted - 2012.07.10 14:56:00 -
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Space barbie drama. ''I got a coat an now everyone ahs my coat cry, cry cry cry.'' The same people moaning about these coats are the same people who want to have other items all to themselves. Other items such as T2BPO that let them stomp all over noobs with zero effort from their part, At least this crappy coat does not give them huge advantages. CCP should seed t2BPO's on the market for 50 cents too and make them cry some more :) Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.10 14:58:00 -
[709] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:Ok, so here is the much delayed update. I am sorry that this has taken so long but we needed to run through a seriously complicated process to track down each unique shirt issued before June 25. So here are the steps that will happen over the next few days to finalize this issue: 1, We will issue the following people a 'Mens Field Marshall Coat': * Those players who took the PLEX offer in October and kept their shirt based on its exclusivity. * Players who bought the shirt from an original owner on the basis that it would be an exclusive item. Again, if the owner sold it on then the person who ultimately ended up with the shirt based on owning an exclusive item. if you received the shirt and sold it or traded for a profit you will not receive this new item. 2, We are updating the item description for this jacket and this will be deployed in the next day or two. Once that deployment takes place we will redeem the item to all relevant account holders. Once this happens i will update the thread letting you know that the item is ready to be redeemed. There are some edge cases involved with this of players who may have their shirt stored in secure containers or containers in space. These players will need to s ubmit a petition to verify ownership. It is difficult to give the perfect resolution in cases of this nature and we feel that this resolution benefits the greater number. Thank you for your patience during this time.
Thank you for your response, but I believe this brings more questions than answers. You specified that we will be receiving "Mens Field Marshall Coat." That already exist in the NeX Store with an equivalent price tag of 800M or so. Ishukone Shirt's market value prior to the devaluation was 2B. Arn't we still shorthanded? You claimed before that a solution is in place that would provide a fair compensation for the affected parties. If what we are receiving, are the same Mens Field Marshall Coat that is purchasable for 800M, then I am not sure if there's fairness in this.
Or as Rikula asked, are the "Mens Field Marshall Coat" going to be a different version of the pre-existing ones? The current one is yellow. Are we going to be receiving something that is unique? You did mention that "description" will change, so can we hope that we will be receiving a unique Shirt that is completely different from the preexisting one?
Also, is there a safe control in place so that this does not happen again?
Hope to hear from you soon! |
Rikula
Opur
12
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:09:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote: * Players who bought the shirt from an original owner on the basis that it would be an exclusive item. Again, if the owner sold it on then the person who ultimately ended up with the shirt based on owning an exclusive item.
Actually, I would like to add another question, because you have curious wording for this part. I put up buy orders before the patch, on the basis that I would be purchasing the exclusive item. Due to circumstances (time it took to patch, not being able to get to computer immediately), I did not notice the 100 Aurum Ishukone shirt until after my buy orders had been filled. It may have even been before I logged on, but I do not remember.
Given the wording you have chosen, does this mean people like myself who had pre-existing buy orders that were filled rapidly post-patch, on the basis that the shirt was exclusive, qualify on account of those purchases too?
Or just those that had transactions finalised prior to the patch? |
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Rikula
Opur
12
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:10:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:You specified that we will be receiving "Mens Field Marshall Coat." That already exist in the NeX Store with an equivalent price tag of 800M or so.
I can't log in at the moment, but iirc the marshall coat is actually selling for around 550mil, with buy orders around 370mil. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
352
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:24:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Space barbie drama. ''I got a coat an now everyone ahs my coat cry, cry cry cry.'' The same people moaning about these coats are the same people who want to have other items all to themselves. Other items such as T2BPO that let them stomp all over noobs with zero effort from their part, At least this crappy coat does not give them huge advantages. CCP should seed t2BPO's on the market for 50 cents too and make them cry some more :)
Not everything is about your irrational hatred of Pie, Brewlar. -RubyPorto
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8481
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:34:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Thank you for your response, but I believe this brings more questions than answers. You specified that we will be receiving "Mens Field Marshall Coat." That already exist in the NeX Store with an equivalent price tag of 400M or so. Ishukone Shirt's market value prior to the devaluation was 2B. Arn't we still shorthanded? You've now not only received a shirt for free, but also a free coat. You have an interesting definition of GÇ£shorthandedGÇ£ (you probably mean short-changed, but nvm.)
Quote:You claimed before that a solution is in place that would provide a fair compensation for the affected parties. No. They claimed that they were GÇ£formulat[ing] a plant that's as fair to as many as possibleGÇ¥. No compensation was mentioned and if one was to come, nothing was said about it being fair to you. They were looking for something that was as fair as possible to as many as possible GÇö giving you stuff for free isn't fair to the people who had to pay for the same stuff. Instead, you've been given more free stuff that hopefully will cover some of your non-realised profit while at the same time not further devaluing stuff that's already in the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:45:00 -
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Are the Field Marshalls' Coat that you mentioned, same as the pre-existing ones? What do you mean when you say "description will be changed?" So we are getting new unique coats? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1598
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:49:00 -
[715] - Quote
First, thank you for the response CCP.
Though the Antiquarian is right in that it does raise more questions. Mostly due to a lack of detail in the post and the ambiguity of the wording. But as this has already been touched on I would like to add a question of my own.
Will the Jacket that was purchasable in the NeX store remain off the market or return as an AUR item?
I ask this because right now it is an exclusive item as well and may be of some interest to those who are willing to take the risk of speculating on it. If it is returned to the Noble Exchange it just becomes another piece of clothing.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8483
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Posted - 2012.07.10 16:00:00 -
[716] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Will the Jacket that was purchasable in the NeX store remain off the market or return as an AUR item?
I ask this because right now it is an exclusive item as well and may be of some interest to those who are willing to take the risk of speculating on it. If it is returned to the Noble Exchange it just becomes another piece of clothing. Come to think of it, that would actually an interesting way of doing itGǪ
Let the shirt out on the market again at whatever price it was, and replace it with a (relabelled) coat from one of the ones that haven't been seeded yet, and make that as GÇ£special issueGÇ¥ as the shirt was.
It's not like there's a dearth of unreleased items for them to choose from. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
49
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:23:00 -
[717] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:What about the Red/Gold female Executor coat that you also messed around with?
The prices of the R/G has been rising and is currently about 100m buy 200m sell. It will probably balance out a little under what it was before the update and slowly climb after that if no more are introduced. I don't think it is a big deal and wrote off my loses. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
23
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:52:00 -
[718] - Quote
I am pleased to see a new response to this issue, however the following points still need to be addressed:
1) What about the Women's red/gold coat?
2) Will the ishukone shirt be placed back on the NEX store, or will it remain rare from now on? (please announce this in advance so nobody gets burned when you release the patch).
3) Will the women's red/gold coat be placed back on the NEX store?
4) Is the new Men's coat going to be a unique item, or will it also be available on the NEX store? Is it the same coat that is already available?
5) If the isukone shirt is to remain rare, can we see some statistics on how many of these shirts exist, and how many were purchased in the few days after it's release? You probably came up with these statistics already during your investigations.
6) There is a group of players who will not be compensated by this change: Those who had buy orders up the day before the isukone release. Those players, such as myself, woke up to find our wallets a few billion lighter, and our hangars filled with worthless shirts. As these players did not own the shirt during downtime when the change was released, they will not be compensated by the scheme you have announced, yet they still lost billions due to your mistake. I believe the best course of action to help these players is to allow the ishukone shirt to remain rare. This way it will recover some of its original value, and traders such as myself will eventually be able to recover some of our losses.
Please announce all these changes in advance several days before the patch, to allow us to look for mistakes you may have made. If a list of new NEX items had been made available on SiSi or in a dev blog, we would have spotted the ishukone shirt and alerted you before any damage was done. Damage was cuased because the changes were not announced, please do not repeat this mistake. |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
49
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Posted - 2012.07.10 23:18:00 -
[719] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:
6) There is a group of players who will not be compensated by this change: Those who had buy orders up the day before the isukone release. Those players, such as myself, woke up to find our wallets a few billion lighter, and our hangars filled with worthless shirts. As these players did not own the shirt during downtime when the change was released, they will not be compensated by the scheme you have announced, yet they still lost billions due to your mistake. I believe the best course of action to help these players is to allow the ishukone shirt to remain rare. This way it will recover some of its original value, and traders such as myself will eventually be able to recover some of our losses.
Either that or you did well if those orders were filled with the classic shirt. I tried to dump as much of my inventory that I could when I saw that the items were on the NEX shop and filled other peoples buy orders. Buying stuff to fill the orders was not an option since I never have owned any AUR, and I was more concerned about being stuck holding a bunch of devalued merchandise (minimize losses) rather than making a profit. Was a bit slow on the trigger though, but wouldn't be surprised if the people who dumped their merchandise to the buy orders first had the classic shirt. I think the Mysterio Boots, Greave Knee Boots and maybe the original Excursion Pants were briefly repriced at 100AUR, and I managed to fill a number of other people buy orders with my stock. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
514
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Posted - 2012.07.11 04:56:00 -
[720] - Quote
We are sorry for having to ask you several dozens more of questions, but CCP Navigator, what kind of control system do you have in place, to prevent this kind of mistake from reoccurring?
Also what is the future course of the EVE Online's future marketing promotion? Are you going to be reusing any other historical items? Or do we have to live in a constant fear that after having to partake in the promotion to obtain those items, those items will be devalued by future circulation? |
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iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
25
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Posted - 2012.07.11 14:34:00 -
[721] - Quote
Still lots to be answered |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
514
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:31:00 -
[722] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:Still lots to be answered
I think if we don't hear any response in a day or so, then most likely, we have to wait for another week and half.
Thank you very much for your response yesterday CCP Navigator though! |
Zeruma
Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires
5
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Posted - 2012.07.12 04:07:00 -
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Awaiting confirmation I'm not playing second life |
Carles Ormande
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 04:10:00 -
[724] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:We are sorry for having to ask you several dozens more of questions, but CCP Navigator, what kind of control system do you have in place, to prevent this kind of mistake from reoccurring?
Also what is the future course of the EVE Online's future marketing promotion? Are you going to be reusing any other historical items? Or do we have to live in a constant fear that after having to partake in the promotion to obtain those items, those items will be devalued by future circulation?
Does that keep you up at night? "Endless ISK, the sinews of war" |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
515
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Posted - 2012.07.12 07:37:00 -
[725] - Quote
Carles Ormande wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:We are sorry for having to ask you several dozens more of questions, but CCP Navigator, what kind of control system do you have in place, to prevent this kind of mistake from reoccurring?
Also what is the future course of the EVE Online's future marketing promotion? Are you going to be reusing any other historical items? Or do we have to live in a constant fear that after having to partake in the promotion to obtain those items, those items will be devalued by future circulation? Does that keep you up at night?
Of course! |
Hae Mosu
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:08:00 -
[726] - Quote
any update? |
PinkKnife
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
168
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Posted - 2012.07.12 16:28:00 -
[727] - Quote
Wow, some people need to learn to not look a gift horse in the mouth. You're lucky CCP is doing anything for you since your entire claim on this is sketchy. CCP doesn't owe you anything because the perceived value in a digital economy of a marketing promotion tanked. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
517
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:00:00 -
[728] - Quote
PinkKnife wrote:Wow, some people need to learn to not look a gift horse in the mouth. You're lucky CCP is doing anything for you since your entire claim on this is sketchy. CCP doesn't owe you anything because the perceived value in a digital economy of a marketing promotion tanked.
No. Just like other reputable gaming companies (yes, Blizzard), CCP should uphold the rarity of these items for future success of their marketing promotions. If they say "limited this, special that" in one offer, and then make it available for dirt cheap half a year later, disincentives potential customers from ever participating in the marketing promotions in the future. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:35:00 -
[729] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:PinkKnife wrote:Wow, some people need to learn to not look a gift horse in the mouth. You're lucky CCP is doing anything for you since your entire claim on this is sketchy. CCP doesn't owe you anything because the perceived value in a digital economy of a marketing promotion tanked. No. Just like other reputable gaming companies (yes, Blizzard), CCP should uphold the rarity of these items for future success of their marketing promotions. If they say "limited this, special that" in one offer, and then make it available for dirt cheap half a year later, disincentives potential customers from ever participating in the marketing promotions in the future.
So, did you not get the Plexes that came with your $300 T-Shirt? -RubyPorto
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Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
438
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:49:00 -
[730] - Quote
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Space barbie drama. ''I got a coat an now everyone ahs my coat cry, cry cry cry.'' The same people moaning about these coats are the same people who want to have other items all to themselves. Other items such as T2BPO that let them stomp all over noobs with zero effort from their part, At least this crappy coat does not give them huge advantages. CCP should seed t2BPO's on the market for 50 cents too and make them cry some more :)
You must have flayed the flesh off that dead horse by now. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:51:00 -
[731] - Quote
Virgil Travis wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Space barbie drama. ''I got a coat an now everyone ahs my coat cry, cry cry cry.'' The same people moaning about these coats are the same people who want to have other items all to themselves. Other items such as T2BPO that let them stomp all over noobs with zero effort from their part, At least this crappy coat does not give them huge advantages. CCP should seed t2BPO's on the market for 50 cents too and make them cry some more :) You must have flayed the flesh off that dead horse by now.
Brewlar's hatred of Pie knows no bounds. He even promised to move to China to escape Pie (though sadly, he hasn't followed through with his promise). -RubyPorto
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
517
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:00:00 -
[732] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:PinkKnife wrote:Wow, some people need to learn to not look a gift horse in the mouth. You're lucky CCP is doing anything for you since your entire claim on this is sketchy. CCP doesn't owe you anything because the perceived value in a digital economy of a marketing promotion tanked. No. Just like other reputable gaming companies (yes, Blizzard), CCP should uphold the rarity of these items for future success of their marketing promotions. If they say "limited this, special that" in one offer, and then make it available for dirt cheap half a year later, disincentives potential customers from ever participating in the marketing promotions in the future. So, did you not get the Plexes that came with your $300 T-Shirt?
Once again, it was a tied arrangement where CCP advertised the promotion as if the only venue to obtain the Ishukone Shirt was to purchase 13 x PLEXs. Also it specified that the deal was a "one-time offer" which added validity to the expectation that the Shirt will not be available via other venues on an indefinite basis.
I did not have to purchase 39 Plexs, but I did so because of the promotion advertised above. Sure, PLEXs were later used to help fund my other collecting binge, but it took significant time for me to use it. The costs associated with purchasing 39 PLEXs at once included Postponement of purchase and the possibility of gaining index interest. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
373
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:13:00 -
[733] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: Once again, it was a tied arrangement where CCP advertised the promotion as if the only venue to obtain the Ishukone Shirt was to purchase 13 x PLEXs. Also it specified that the deal was a "one-time offer" which added validity to the expectation that the Shirt will not be available via other venues on an indefinite basis.
I did not have to purchase 39 Plexs, but I did so because of the promotion advertised above. Sure, PLEXs were later used to help fund my other collecting binge, but it took significant time for me to use it. The costs associated with purchasing 39 PLEXs at once included Postponement of purchase and the possibility of gaining index interest.
One time offer means exactly that. The Offer is only available at that time. They didn't say "One Time Item."
You're complaining about a McDonalds re-release of a Happy Meal toy. -RubyPorto
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
517
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:16:00 -
[734] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: Once again, it was a tied arrangement where CCP advertised the promotion as if the only venue to obtain the Ishukone Shirt was to purchase 13 x PLEXs. Also it specified that the deal was a "one-time offer" which added validity to the expectation that the Shirt will not be available via other venues on an indefinite basis.
I did not have to purchase 39 Plexs, but I did so because of the promotion advertised above. Sure, PLEXs were later used to help fund my other collecting binge, but it took significant time for me to use it. The costs associated with purchasing 39 PLEXs at once included Postponement of purchase and the possibility of gaining index interest.
One time offer means exactly that. The Offer is only available at that time. They didn't say "One Time Item." You're complaining about a McDonalds re-release of a Happy Meal toy.
No. McDonald's never re-release same toys with their Happy Meal promotion. Reputable companies like McDonald's understand that by having to reissue same items, the impact of their marketing promotions go down. Also they understand that there are serious collectors out there who collect these toys. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8520
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:22:00 -
[735] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Once again, it was a tied arrangement where CCP advertised the promotion as if the only venue to obtain the Ishukone Shirt was to purchase 13 x PLEXs. GǪand the question from page 1 has been: did it actually say anything of the sort, or was that just you assuming things?
Has the offer reappeared since then? No. So it was a one-time offer.
You got a good deal on the PLEXes you bought (a special offer in and of itself) and got a free shirt as part of the bargain. Now you get a free coat as well. Why are you still complaining? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:26:00 -
[736] - Quote
I received an apotheosis as part of a promotion. CCP then released my vanity shuttle AGAIN, in the recent choose your own gift promotion (the horror). This has caused me severe emotional distress and financial ruin.
CCP Navigator, I am willing to settle this issue for titan skillbooks+a titan (erebus, please). Let me know how and when I can pick them up. If you do not comply, I will be forced to continue posting. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:30:00 -
[737] - Quote
Oh man, I missed the part where he not only wasted $300 for a non-exclusive shirt, but did it 3 times. This made my morning. Why did you take my wings away? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:36:00 -
[738] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: Once again, it was a tied arrangement where CCP advertised the promotion as if the only venue to obtain the Ishukone Shirt was to purchase 13 x PLEXs. Also it specified that the deal was a "one-time offer" which added validity to the expectation that the Shirt will not be available via other venues on an indefinite basis.
I did not have to purchase 39 Plexs, but I did so because of the promotion advertised above. Sure, PLEXs were later used to help fund my other collecting binge, but it took significant time for me to use it. The costs associated with purchasing 39 PLEXs at once included Postponement of purchase and the possibility of gaining index interest.
One time offer means exactly that. The Offer is only available at that time. They didn't say "One Time Item." You're complaining about a McDonalds re-release of a Happy Meal toy. No. McDonald's never re-release same toys with their Happy Meal promotion. Reputable companies like McDonald's understand that by having to reissue same items, the impact of their marketing promotions go down. Also they understand that there are serious collectors out there who collect these toys.
What interest does McDonalds have in the secondary market? McDonalds may not re-release toys, but that's because at the scale they operate, the R&D money to create a new set rounds down to 0 (and offers the advantage of selling promotional rights. $$). Neither of those apply to CCP (which has a long history of re-releasing the free tchotchkes they give away).
You're still complaining about a free tchotchke given to you with an otherwise unrelated purchase. You got the Plex, you got a screaming deal on the Plex, and you got the exclusive use of a free tchotchke. You still have the tchotchke. -RubyPorto
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
517
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:39:00 -
[739] - Quote
Tippia View post Show posts
I admire your tenacity Tippia. Despite the fact that I haven't read your posts for the last 4-5 days, you still write something on my wall.
Either you are like a roach, or as a respected member of this forum community pointed out, someone with a severe mental condition. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2178
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:40:00 -
[740] - Quote
I won't split hairs again over this, I'm actually pleased if an equitable arrangement is worked out for most parties. However I still view this a CCP going well beyond what they were actually obligated to do on this offer. Still, good on them for attempting to satisfy as many as possible without getting silly about it.
The two points that need to come out of this are:
1: CCP should use a bit clearer wording in their special offers, as some people don't understand the difference between "Special Edition" and "Limited Edition". (Not casting stones with that, a lot of people just aren't used to paying close attention to that sort of thing, although they should.)
2: CCP needs to be very careful in any promotion to make sure they don't reuse "Limited Edition" items.
I actually think the main reason why CCP is willing to go the extra mile for collectors on this one is because they were trying very hard to be sensitive to the effect they might have on people who had already purchased items from the NEX at the much higher prices. Since they were already making a point about making special considerations for them (not repricing everything) they would look just a little bit too mercenary if they didn't try to make some attempt to smooth this over as well.
They know people are sensitive about the NEX as it is.
So this whole situation works in the OP's favor, which I don't begrudge at all... lets just not get carried away with our expectations. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
517
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:41:00 -
[741] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: Once again, it was a tied arrangement where CCP advertised the promotion as if the only venue to obtain the Ishukone Shirt was to purchase 13 x PLEXs. Also it specified that the deal was a "one-time offer" which added validity to the expectation that the Shirt will not be available via other venues on an indefinite basis.
I did not have to purchase 39 Plexs, but I did so because of the promotion advertised above. Sure, PLEXs were later used to help fund my other collecting binge, but it took significant time for me to use it. The costs associated with purchasing 39 PLEXs at once included Postponement of purchase and the possibility of gaining index interest.
One time offer means exactly that. The Offer is only available at that time. They didn't say "One Time Item." You're complaining about a McDonalds re-release of a Happy Meal toy. No. McDonald's never re-release same toys with their Happy Meal promotion. Reputable companies like McDonald's understand that by having to reissue same items, the impact of their marketing promotions go down. Also they understand that there are serious collectors out there who collect these toys. What interest does McDonalds have in the secondary market? McDonalds may not re-release toys, but that's because at the scale they operate, the R&D money to create a new set rounds down to 0 (and offers the advantage of selling promotional rights. $$). Neither of those apply to CCP (which has a long history of re-releasing the free tchotchkes they give away). You're still complaining about a free tchotchke given to you with an otherwise unrelated purchase. You got the Plex, you got a screaming deal on the Plex, and you got the exclusive use of a free tchotchke. You still have the tchotchke.
As specified before, the cost of postponement and the loss of index interests that could've been accrued from the capital spent on PLEXs is quite substantial. Yes, I got my PLEXs to support my collecting binge, but it took quite a while to spend all 39 PLEXs. There was absolutely no need for me to purchase all those PLEXs, all at once. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1622
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:44:00 -
[742] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Oh man, I missed the part where he not only wasted $300 for a non-exclusive shirt, but did it 3 times. This made my morning.
I'm sure it will make CCPs morning when next they try to sell one of these promotions and the threads fly linking back to this one.
Like I said on page one, they shot themselves in the foot with this disaster. The fix would be to put on a bandage, but they kind of failed to do that yet after two weeks.
The very people who would take advantage of a similar offer next time are the ones that won't be buying anything. The rest of you are too RL poor and don't matter.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:48:00 -
[743] - Quote
Really, you're going to go back to "if you didn't buy into this, it's because you're poor"? Why did you take my wings away? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1624
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:50:00 -
[744] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Really, you're going to go back to "if you didn't buy into this, it's because you're poor"?
Well, you are at least consistent with your ability to see the words but miss the meaning.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8520
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:57:00 -
[745] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia View post Show posts So you have nothing to offer in the way of an actual argument for why you were GÇ£misledGÇ¥ or why it's any kind of GÇ£malpracticeGÇ¥. Good to know.
So why are you complaining about having not just gotten a good deal on a bunch of PLEX, but also get two free items out of the deal? Your GÇ£ha, haa, not readingGÇ¥ deal doesn't work when it's readily apparent that you do read what I write but can't come up with a coherent answer or argument.
Quote:There was absolutely no need for me to purchase all those PLEXs, all at once. Sure there was: it was a one-time offer with a reduced cost for each PLEX. Had you purchased them separately, you would have gotten less for your money.
Mr Epeen wrote:The very people who would take advantage of a similar offer next time are the ones that won't be buying anything. The very people who would take advantage of a similar offer next time will do so, because it will still be a good deal (and since they prefer to pay a little for the PLEXes rather than a lotGǪ the RL-poor things that they are). Also, they can always hope that something similar happens that time as well so they get even more free items out of the whole thing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
804
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Posted - 2012.07.12 19:59:00 -
[746] - Quote
Actually, that honor falls to the OP, who read mountains of meaning where none existed. Why did you take my wings away? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
517
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:01:00 -
[747] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Actually, that honor falls to the OP, who read mountains of meaning where none existed.
CCP disagrees with your nonsensical rambling. CCP already admitted their mistakes. We are still here because although CCP Navigator was kind enough to provide us with a resolution, ambiguity still exists in his answer. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
25
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:47:00 -
[748] - Quote
Still waiting for answers to a few questions. |
Rikula
Opur
13
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Posted - 2012.07.15 13:26:00 -
[749] - Quote
Have the items been added yet? I haven't had any redeemable items, but then I'm one of those people with the shirt in a container. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
517
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Posted - 2012.07.15 14:08:00 -
[750] - Quote
Rikula wrote:Have the items been added yet? I haven't had any redeemable items, but then I'm one of those people with the shirt in a container.
Unfortunately, no. =( |
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iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
26
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Posted - 2012.07.15 16:32:00 -
[751] - Quote
Rikula wrote:Have the items been added yet? I haven't had any redeemable items, but then I'm one of those people with the shirt in a container.
Yeah, I think we all had dozens of billion isk shirts in containers in space, right? *wink* |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
517
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Posted - 2012.07.16 13:02:00 -
[752] - Quote
Still waiting |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
26
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:32:00 -
[753] - Quote
Still waiting for answers to these questions. See previous page(s) for the list of questions. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
162
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Posted - 2012.07.16 21:35:00 -
[754] - Quote
My extremely important apothesis question, to be precise. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
42
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:12:00 -
[755] - Quote
Posting with my monocle/ishukone dress shirt, I aint even mad Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
427
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:06:00 -
[756] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:My extremely important apothesis question, to be precise.
I also want recompense for my Apotheosis being devalued. Also my Primae, and all the other One Time offers that have been reissued. -RubyPorto
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
27
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:45:00 -
[757] - Quote
Ayeson wrote:Posting with my monocle/ishukone dress shirt, I aint even mad
CORRECTION: I AM MAD, NOW OTHER PEOPLE GET TO PRETEND TO BE AS :SMUG: AS ME
I have 2 monocles and 15 ishukone shirts, and I wear them all ontop of each other, so my smugness is on a similar scale to yours.
Still need answers to the questions posted on the previous few pages. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
520
|
Posted - 2012.07.17 01:58:00 -
[758] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:My extremely important apothesis question, to be precise. I also want recompense for my Apotheosis being devalued. Also my Primae, and all the other One Time offers that have been reissued.
You are absolutely right! I suggest you keep your campaign on this thread. Thanks! |
Rico Ramos
STARMINE inc Solaris Mortis
8
|
Posted - 2012.07.17 12:10:00 -
[759] - Quote
OK So I understand this...
1) after purchasing 13 PLEX you get a free gift. 2) this was a promotional sale to make you buy PLEX and receive a free gift 3) this free gift you viewed as a unique item, and you paid out cash many times over to obtain this free item 4) you viewed the free item to be included in the cost of the 13 PLEX'es not some reward 5) the exact said item wasn't unique? and was added to the NeX store for 500AUR? (ie. 50cents)
OK I think I got it. Damn I'm pissed too! I could have gotten both of those item for cheap and now there gone!!!1 Instead I bought the freaky tank tops with this is eve free AUR!!! Grrr bring them back please!!! I still have some free AUR left!!!
er wait ...this post to bring them back?
Damn wrong thread.
Sry!
XD Internet Space Ships is Serious Business |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1627
|
Posted - 2012.07.17 13:09:00 -
[760] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:What interest does McDonalds have in the secondary market?
I'm guessing you don't have children who collect the Happy Meals toys? You haven't seen how they want to get to Macdonalds for Happy Meals before the stock runs out and they can't complete the set?
Macdonalds has a very keen interest in the secondary market, because they know that a significant proportion of their Happy Meals customers are buying the meals for the toys, not for the awful food.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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nartela
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.07.17 15:03:00 -
[761] - Quote
a bump for justice i didnt buy it and i wouldnt cause its that expensive, but i have sympathy. imagine if they ridistributed all the unique ships that where released as prizes for the alliance tournament. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
433
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:06:00 -
[762] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:What interest does McDonalds have in the secondary market? I'm guessing you don't have children who collect the Happy Meals toys? You haven't seen how they want to get to Macdonalds for Happy Meals before the stock runs out and they can't complete the set? Macdonalds has a very keen interest in the secondary market, because they know that a significant proportion of their Happy Meals customers are buying the meals for the toys, not for the awful food.
We're talking about the secondary market after the initial run is gone. And buying meals to complete the set is still the primary market (Money is going to McDonalds), not the secondary (money is going to some shmuck who bought the terrible food). -RubyPorto
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1636
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:12:00 -
[763] - Quote
With the amount of bumps this thread is getting from Ruby/Pipa, I'm thinking he has an ulterior motive for keeping it alive besides his obvious trolling.
Sitting on some shirts, there, Ruby?
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2257
|
Posted - 2012.07.17 18:18:00 -
[764] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:What interest does McDonalds have in the secondary market? I'm guessing you don't have children who collect the Happy Meals toys? You haven't seen how they want to get to Macdonalds for Happy Meals before the stock runs out and they can't complete the set? Macdonalds has a very keen interest in the secondary market, because they know that a significant proportion of their Happy Meals customers are buying the meals for the toys, not for the awful food. We're talking about the secondary market after the initial run is gone. And buying meals to complete the set is still the primary market (Money is going to McDonalds), not the secondary (money is going to some shmuck who bought the terrible food).
Interesting analogy, but...
People really don't get those toys for their collectors value, the value those toys have is to improve MacDonalds initial sales figures (because the kids want to play with them) not because they retain or accrue value over time.
So I suppose in that respect this actually is a very accurate analogy, as the initial offering was merely intended to improve PLEX sales, not create limited edition collectable clothing items.
I still applaud the fact that since many people bought them thinking it would be a collectable, limited edition item they are going to try and provide at least some compensation.
I have a feeling it may be awhile before you get your answer, vacation time for CCP drags decision making out a bit if it involves very many people. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
531
|
Posted - 2012.07.18 14:14:00 -
[765] - Quote
Greetings CCP Devs, we hope that you guys are having a fantastic summer break.
Could you kindly provide us with an update on this issue? Also there are so many questions unanswered. We would be greatly appreciated if you could kindly provide us with answers and talk to us before steam-rolling with the changes that might keep many of the affected parties not fully appeased.
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iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
28
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 04:11:00 -
[766] - Quote
There are still unanswered questions (around page 26). |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
536
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 10:43:00 -
[767] - Quote
It's been more than 3 weeks. Could CCP kindly provide us with an update on all our questions before you guys steam-roll everything on the 8th week (around pg. 26). |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
29
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Posted - 2012.07.19 15:02:00 -
[768] - Quote
Still waiting for answers to questions posed on page 29, this is taking a long time. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
820
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 15:14:00 -
[769] - Quote
Quote:Disclaimer: Everything in this dev blog (just like every game change we make) is open to being changed at any point. If you dump all your isk into speculation around this blog and lose it all because we changed something again, you have only yourself to blame. Always speculate at your own risk. There it is. Why did you take my wings away? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
536
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 15:16:00 -
[770] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Quote:Disclaimer: Everything in this dev blog (just like every game change we make) is open to being changed at any point. If you dump all your isk into speculation around this blog and lose it all because we changed something again, you have only yourself to blame. Always speculate at your own risk. There it is.
And I assume CCP stated that? Oh that's right. I didn't think so.
Where do you get the tenacity to troll on the same messages over and over again when CCP Devs already admitted that the reissuance of Ishukone & Women's executor (Red/Gold) was a complete mistake? |
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
820
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 15:19:00 -
[771] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Quote:Disclaimer: Everything in this dev blog (just like every game change we make) is open to being changed at any point. If you dump all your isk into speculation around this blog and lose it all because we changed something again, you have only yourself to blame. Always speculate at your own risk. There it is. And I assume CCP stated that? Oh that's right. I didn't think so. Where do you get the tenacity to troll on the same messages over and over again when CCP Devs already admitted that the reissuance of Ishukone & Women's executor (Red/Gold) was a complete mistake? Click devblog, read devblog, remove foot from mouth. Why did you take my wings away? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
536
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 15:22:00 -
[772] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Quote:Disclaimer: Everything in this dev blog (just like every game change we make) is open to being changed at any point. If you dump all your isk into speculation around this blog and lose it all because we changed something again, you have only yourself to blame. Always speculate at your own risk. There it is. And I assume CCP stated that? Oh that's right. I didn't think so. Where do you get the tenacity to troll on the same messages over and over again when CCP Devs already admitted that the reissuance of Ishukone & Women's executor (Red/Gold) was a complete mistake? Click devblog, read devblog, remove foot from mouth.
I am not going to waste my time searching for your precious devblog information because it specifically states that the information pertains to the "devblog." We are not talking about devblog here. The shirts were never mentioned in the Devblog. These were promotional items given and CCP already admitted their mistake in their reissuance. Why do you keep writing nonsensical posts? Great job trying to support your argument with something that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
820
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 15:22:00 -
[773] - Quote
Clearly what's good for Tech doesn't apply to Space Barbie. Why did you take my wings away? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
536
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 15:30:00 -
[774] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Clearly what's good for Tech doesn't apply to Space Barbie.
I suggest you learn how to use source documents appropriately before spitting out your trolling comments again and again. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
820
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 15:38:00 -
[775] - Quote
Perhaps you could teach a course on reading source documents and deciphering advertising. Why did you take my wings away? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
536
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 16:40:00 -
[776] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Perhaps you could teach a course on reading source documents and deciphering advertising.
I sure will. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8632
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 16:50:00 -
[777] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Perhaps you could teach a course on reading source documents and deciphering advertising. I sure will. Now that truly would be marketing malpractice, unlike what CCP did.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4341
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:52:00 -
[778] - Quote
I hpe this thread is still going in a year, with the OP making plaintive "57 weeks and still waiting, CCP Navigator!" posts. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
536
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 16:58:00 -
[779] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I hpe this thread is still going in a year, with the OP making plaintive "57 weeks and still waiting, CCP Navigator!" posts.
I think you will get your wish come true. I feel like that will be the case. |
Hudzen Ten
Diva-Droid International
8
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 18:04:00 -
[780] - Quote
i just find it funny that spending a couple hundred bucks to get a virtual t-shirt could have made you happy under any circumstance.
thank-you ccp for correcting the act of buying this t-shirt to a sane sentiment, by reducing the equiv price to that which you might flick in a hobo's unturned cap, or the company fountain in ccp's micro-transaction-begging case |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1646
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:48:00 -
[781] - Quote
Not that this is the least bit surprising, but does anyone else find it amusing that the three trolls on this page are the ones keeping this thread that they claim to want to die...alive?
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2277
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 20:06:00 -
[782] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Quote:Disclaimer: Everything in this dev blog (just like every game change we make) is open to being changed at any point. If you dump all your isk into speculation around this blog and lose it all because we changed something again, you have only yourself to blame. Always speculate at your own risk. There it is. And I assume CCP stated that? Oh that's right. I didn't think so. Where do you get the tenacity to troll on the same messages over and over again when CCP Devs already admitted that the reissuance of Ishukone & Women's executor (Red/Gold) was a complete mistake? Click devblog, read devblog, remove foot from mouth. I am not going to waste my time searching for your precious devblog information because it specifically states that the information pertains to the "devblog." We are not talking about devblog here. The shirts were never mentioned in the Devblog. These were promotional items given and CCP already admitted their mistake in their reissuance. Why do you keep writing nonsensical posts? Great job trying to support your argument with something that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here.
I think the point they were trying to make is that certain parts of that blog pointedly refer to speculation in general (bolded the above for clarity).
Your situation has a specific reassurance, but the above is a good thing to keep in mind for the future. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
678
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 20:22:00 -
[783] - Quote
I for one hope that the OP continue to do blunders like this and rage about his inability to connect the dots on this forum. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
536
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 21:27:00 -
[784] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:I for one hope that the OP continue to do blunders like this and rage about his inability to connect the dots on this forum.
Inability to connect the dots on the forum? The CCP already admitted that it was a mistake on its part to reissue these vanity items. What part do you not understand?
Awesome job on reading the last 5 posts of the entire 31 page thread and spitting out nonsensical ramblings regarding "my inability to connect the dots." I understand that the last time you read a book was Dr. Seuss'. I know it is pretty tough to read a 31 page posting, but do not despair. You can do it! |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
678
|
Posted - 2012.07.19 21:45:00 -
[785] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Alpheias wrote:I for one hope that the OP continue to do blunders like this and rage about his inability to connect the dots on this forum. Inability to connect the dots on the forum? The CCP already admitted that it was a mistake on its part to reissue these vanity items. What part do you not understand? Awesome job on reading the last 5 posts of the entire 31 page thread and spitting out nonsensical ramblings regarding "my inability to connect the dots." I understand that the last time you read a book was Dr. Seuss'. I know it is pretty tough to read a 31 page posting, but do not despair. You can do it!
I couldn't care less if CCP admitted or not. Your tantrum is what made it funny and that is what I came here for. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
536
|
Posted - 2012.07.20 08:23:00 -
[786] - Quote
Still waiting for the response. Please kindly provide us with answers before steam-rolling the changes. =/ |
B1ade
Restless Knights Warp 2 Zero
1
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Posted - 2012.07.20 15:42:00 -
[787] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:It's been more than 3 weeks. Could CCP kindly provide us with an update on all our questions before you guys steam-roll everything on the 8th week (around pg. 26).
When your done with this and rage quit, can I have your stuff? I think id look pretty good in your now very common T-shirt. Step away from the keyboard before you type something else stupid. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
537
|
Posted - 2012.07.20 16:26:00 -
[788] - Quote
B1ade wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:It's been more than 3 weeks. Could CCP kindly provide us with an update on all our questions before you guys steam-roll everything on the 8th week (around pg. 26). When your done with this and rage quit, can I have your stuff? I think id look pretty good in your now very common T-shirt.
I don't think you can handle the magnitude of handling big wealth. Just like those folks who either kill themselves or are plagued by marital problems after winning million dollar lotteries, I fear for a similar fate when i give you my "stuff." There is a reason why poor people stay poor. I suggest that you be content with whatever you got. |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
168
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Posted - 2012.07.20 16:27:00 -
[789] - Quote
And I suggest you give it a rest about a virtual T-shirt that you bought with real money and figured you could speculate on, even if it was mistakenly placed on the market. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
537
|
Posted - 2012.07.20 16:40:00 -
[790] - Quote
Rer Eirikr wrote:And I suggest you give it a rest about a virtual T-shirt that you bought with real money and figured you could speculate on, even if it was mistakenly placed on the market.
Speculate? I made reasonable assumption that CCP will never reintroduce these items via alternative venues for 1/30th of the market value to the general populous. Usually, a reputable company such as Blizzard, means what they claim when an ingame item is advertised as a "one-time offer." I made a logical assumption that seeing how CCP is one of the most reputable game company in the industry, it would hold similar stance. |
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Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
168
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Posted - 2012.07.20 16:42:00 -
[791] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: Usually, a reputable company such as Blizzard
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH, oh, oh god, hold on
[breathe]
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
211
|
Posted - 2012.07.20 17:50:00 -
[792] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Not that this is the least bit surprising, but does anyone else find it amusing that the three trolls on this page are the ones keeping this thread that they claim to want to die...alive? Mr Epeen nobody wants this thread to die the antiquarian's temper tantrums and attempts to pretend to be wealthy are one of the funniest things on eve-o in a long time |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
537
|
Posted - 2012.07.20 17:59:00 -
[793] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Not that this is the least bit surprising, but does anyone else find it amusing that the three trolls on this page are the ones keeping this thread that they claim to want to die...alive? Mr Epeen nobody wants this thread to die the antiquarian's temper tantrums and attempts to pretend to be wealthy are one of the funniest things on eve-o in a long time
Surely, this can't be possibly funnier than your Dear Leader, enticing thousands of players to encourage a person to commit suicide? I was laughing my ass off while seeking your Kim Jung Il equivalent's resignation. Do not worry. My so called "temper tatnrums" is fueled by 10,058 Goon tears. You keep up the great work with bumping this thread. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8663
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:12:00 -
[794] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Speculate? I made reasonable assumption that CCP will never reintroduce these items via alternative venues for 1/30th of the market value to the general populous. GǪwhich doesn't make it any less speculative because there was very little to suggest that it would never be released again.
The shirt was not advertised as a one-time offer as far as anyone has been able to tell. The one-time offer seems to have been 13 PLEX + free shirt, which is exactly the kind of deal you got (and also as far as anyone can tell, it remains one-time since it hasn't been repeated since). Well, except that you got 13 PLEX, a free shirt and a free coat.
Quote:It's not like YOU will be paying any extra dollars to CCP since you will generate most of your PLEX via ingame. GǪsee, there you go assuming things again. Just FYI, no PLEX can be generated in-game. As for those special offers, if people wait a few months, they will not get the same cheap deal, so of course they'll still pay for it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1654
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:15:00 -
[795] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Not that this is the least bit surprising, but does anyone else find it amusing that the three trolls on this page are the ones keeping this thread that they claim to want to die...alive? Mr Epeen nobody wants this thread to die the antiquarian's temper tantrums and attempts to pretend to be wealthy are one of the funniest things on eve-o in a long time
When you buy an SA membership is part of the EULA that any use of proper grammar, punctuation and capitalization is prohibited? Or is it that it just happens that only thirteen year old text queens are the only people to sign up?
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
537
|
Posted - 2012.07.20 18:16:00 -
[796] - Quote
Tippia View post Show posts
Tippia, I am starting to admire your godly patience. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1654
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:19:00 -
[797] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Speculate? I made reasonable assumption that CCP will never reintroduce these items via alternative venues for 1/30th of the market value to the general populous. GǪwhich doesn't make it any less speculative because there was very little to suggest that it would never be released again.
Except for the part where CCP has said exactly that they fully intended it to be a one-off item.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8663
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:20:00 -
[798] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia, I am starting to admire your godly patience. I don't admire your feeble attempts at trying to keep up the appearance that you don't read my posts, when it's so very obvious that you do. I rather find it laughably pathetic.
Don't worry though. I consider it a win every time you prove yourself unable to respond to the points being made, especially since it should be trivially easy for you to do so if you thought for a second that you had a leg to stand on.
Mr Epeen wrote:Except for the part where CCP has said exactly that it fully intended it to be a one-off item. GǪwhich no-one has been able to show was actually advertised in the original offer. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
537
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:24:00 -
[799] - Quote
Tippia View post Show posts
Once again, much appreciated for your contentless bump. You are the kind of folks that I need to keep this thread alive. Please continue to do an awesome job keeping this thread on the front page so it gets the CCP's attention.
Maybe once this ordeal is over, I will send you 1 million ISK for your excellent work. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:28:00 -
[800] - Quote
Tippia wrote:GǪwhich no-one has been able to show was actually advertised in the original offer. So when TA keeps banging on about Gǣreasonable assumptionsGǥ, there is actually nothing that seems particularly reasonable about them, leaving only a bog-standard GǣassumptionGǥ as the basis for his whining. you must remember, the "reasonable man" that the antiquarian appeals to considers $300 virtual pants "reasonable" |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8663
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:30:00 -
[801] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Once again, much appreciated for your contentless bump. See, the problem is, if that's all you though of the posts, you would just leave them for that, rather than exhibiting this uninhibited compulsion to respond to what you purportedly didn't read merely to show just how much you didn't read it.
Instead, it just shows how problematic it is for you to actually think of a coherent response and argue your case, which kind of puts validity the case itself into doubtGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:31:00 -
[802] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Once again, much appreciated for your contentless bump. See, the problem is, if that's all you though of the posts, you would just leave them for that, rather than exhibiting this uninhibited compulsion to respond to what you purportedly didn't read merely to show just how much you didn't read it. Instead, it just shows how problematic it is for you to actually think of a coherent response and argue your case, which kind of puts validity the case itself into doubtGǪ you see, if you laugh at the man purchasing $300 virtual pants, you are a poor |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
537
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:33:00 -
[803] - Quote
Tippia View post Show posts
Once again, much appreciated for your contentless bump. You are the kind of folks that I need to keep this thread alive. Please continue to do an awesome job keeping this thread on the front page so that it gets the CCP's attention.
Maybe once this ordeal is over, I will send you 1 million ISK for your excellent work. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
537
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:37:00 -
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Aight Tippia and Evil S.A., I need to go to sleep so I can go on a trip with my girlfriend tomorrow. I expect you guys to keep this thread alive and bumped on the front page of the forum during my absence. Keep up the excellent work for the next two days.
Once again, we are greatly appreciated for your hard work. Once all our issues are addressed by CCP, I will make appropriate compensations for all your hard work. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:38:00 -
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"this ordeal" laffo |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
537
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:43:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:"this ordeal" laffo
And Evil S.A., do not forget! 10,058 Goon tears gives me the daily strength I need to fend off your trolling posts! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1657
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Except for the part where CCP has said exactly that it fully intended it to be a one-off item. GǪwhich no-one has been able to show was actually advertised in the original offer. So when TA keeps banging on about Gǣreasonable assumptionsGǥ, there is actually nothing that seems particularly reasonable about them, leaving only a bog-standard GǣassumptionGǥ as the basis for his whining.
I understand that your insecurities force you to see things the way you do. To misinterpret and be intentionally obtuse in your understanding of what is written.
CCP has stated that the original ad you are whining about was to be interpreted as they have stated over and over again.
Give it up and admit it's you who is wrong and not CCP.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
693
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:48:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:"this ordeal" laffo And Evil S.A., do not forget! 10,058 Goon tears gives me the daily strength I need to fend off your trolling posts!
10,058 goon tears is but a drop in the sea compared to this. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
81
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:50:00 -
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OP looks like he mugged Data for his Starfleet uniform |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8663
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Posted - 2012.07.20 18:54:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I understand that your insecurities force you to see things the way you do. To misinterpret and be intentionally obtuse in your understanding of what is written. What insecurities are those, and what am I forced to see? How can I misinterpret something that has never been written?
The simple fact remains: no-one has been able to show what the initial offer said and if the OP's assumptions were, in fact, at all reasonable. What CCP has stated since doesn't really matter that much, because it was the initial offer that the OP responded to. If he was right, then good for him, but whether it was actually reasonable to make that assumption is a completely different matter.
The OP could have garnered a whole lot more support and massively less ridicule if he had been able to provide this tiny, but very significant, titbit. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.07.20 19:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Except for the part where CCP has said exactly that it fully intended it to be a one-off item. GǪwhich no-one has been able to show was actually advertised in the original offer. So when TA keeps banging on about Gǣreasonable assumptionsGǥ, there is actually nothing that seems particularly reasonable about them, leaving only a bog-standard GǣassumptionGǥ as the basis for his whining. Since no one has been able to show what was in the offer, doesn't that make you and your conclusion as presumptuous as everyone else?
Is there no record of the original plex offer out there? |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
470
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Posted - 2012.07.20 19:25:00 -
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Is it Christmas yet? Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
453
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Posted - 2012.07.20 19:28:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Except for the part where CCP has said exactly that it fully intended it to be a one-off item. GǪwhich no-one has been able to show was actually advertised in the original offer. So when TA keeps banging on about Gǣreasonable assumptionsGǥ, there is actually nothing that seems particularly reasonable about them, leaving only a bog-standard GǣassumptionGǥ as the basis for his whining. Since no one has been able to show what was in the offer, doesn't that make you and your conclusion as presumptuous as everyone else? Is there no record of the original plex offer out there?
The OP is the one making the assertion that his assumption that CCP would never re-release a promotional item was reasonable. That the person making the assertion has the burden to provide evidence to defend their assessment is a longstanding tradition of debate.
You can't say "The Bigfoot is alive, Prove I'm wrong" and be taken seriously. You have to say "The Bigfoot is alive, here he is in a cage." That goes for any assertion, no matter how tame and ordinary because it's long been understood that disproving an assertion is impractical if not impossible. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2359
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Posted - 2012.07.20 19:29:00 -
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Thank goodness this critical issue has been resolved. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.07.20 19:39:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: The OP is the one making the assertion that his assumption that CCP would never re-release a promotional item was reasonable. That the person making the assertion has the burden to provide evidence to defend their assessment is a longstanding tradition of debate.
You can't say "The Bigfoot is alive, Prove I'm wrong" and be taken seriously. You have to say "The Bigfoot is alive, here he is in a cage." That goes for any assertion, no matter how tame and ordinary because it's long been understood that disproving an assertion is impractical if not impossible.
This I can agree with right up to the point of vitrolic counter attacks effectively asserting that The Antiquarian position was factually false. At that point a counter assumption has been made and is being asserted in the same manner.
And at this point in the argument, with CCP conceding that this was intended as a one time offer of the item, it proves that while the accusation is less than prudently worded, there was an underlying question worthy of response. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
453
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Posted - 2012.07.20 19:46:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: The OP is the one making the assertion that his assumption that CCP would never re-release a promotional item was reasonable. That the person making the assertion has the burden to provide evidence to defend their assessment is a longstanding tradition of debate.
You can't say "The Bigfoot is alive, Prove I'm wrong" and be taken seriously. You have to say "The Bigfoot is alive, here he is in a cage." That goes for any assertion, no matter how tame and ordinary because it's long been understood that disproving an assertion is impractical if not impossible.
This I can agree with right up to the point of vitrolic counter attacks effectively asserting that The Antiquarian position was factually false. At that point a counter assumption has been made and is being asserted in the same manner. And at this point in the argument, with CCP conceding that this was intended as a one time offer of the item, it proves that while the accusation is less than prudently worded, there was an underlying question worthy of response.
He has yet to provide any evidence that his assumption was reasonable. Instead he has simply repeated his claims ad nauseaum and refused to respond (in any meaningful way) to any criticism pointing out that he's concerned about a free item or about the fact that CCP routinely re-releases promotional items or about his lack of evidence suggesting that his assumption is reasonable.
Oh, and he keeps bumping his thread with content-free posts, which is annoying and against the forum's rules. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
236
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Posted - 2012.07.20 20:05:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: He has yet to provide any evidence that his assumption was reasonable. Instead he has simply repeated his claims ad nauseaum and refused to respond (in any meaningful way) to any criticism pointing out that he's concerned about a free item or about the fact that CCP routinely re-releases promotional items or about his lack of evidence suggesting that his assumption is reasonable.
The accusation was unreasonable in my personal opinion, but the question of whether the expectation was reasonable or not is not one that anyone who doesn't work for CCP could answer. At best he can only reasonably ask the question. And part of that question is evaluating whether different acts for eligibility of an offer should set different expectations of handling. I think the answer to that is yes. Others clearly disagree. Either way the people arguing in this thread can't make the final determination.
That said, once CCP chimed in and gave an answer, the effective answer to the questions of why this is special compared to acts like re-offering Christmas gift ships is because CCP said so, regardless of how unreasonable the original question may have seemed. Trying to attack the root of the accusation doesn't alter the fact that the release of certain items was determined to be in error or invalidate requests for clarification of details of their plan for compensation. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
693
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Posted - 2012.07.20 20:13:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: The OP is the one making the assertion that his assumption that CCP would never re-release a promotional item was reasonable. That the person making the assertion has the burden to provide evidence to defend their assessment is a longstanding tradition of debate.
You can't say "The Bigfoot is alive, Prove I'm wrong" and be taken seriously. You have to say "The Bigfoot is alive, here he is in a cage." That goes for any assertion, no matter how tame and ordinary because it's long been understood that disproving an assertion is impractical if not impossible.
This I can agree with right up to the point of vitrolic counter attacks effectively asserting that The Antiquarian position was factually false. At that point a counter assumption has been made and is being asserted in the same manner. And at this point in the argument, with CCP conceding that this was intended as a one time offer of the item, it proves that while the accusation is less than prudently worded, there was an underlying question worthy of response. He has yet to provide any evidence that his assumption was reasonable. Instead he has simply repeated his claims ad nauseaum and refused to respond (in any meaningful way) to any criticism pointing out that he's concerned about a free item or about the fact that CCP routinely re-releases promotional items or about his lack of evidence suggesting that his assumption is reasonable. Oh, and he keeps bumping his thread with content-free posts, which is annoying and against the forum's rules.
I am more curious as to how he came to the conclusion that throwing $230 on a virtual item to be a special cookie was a really great idea, only to find out six months later that everyone too can be a special cookie for basically nothing and now, he throws an angry self-entitlement tantrum because he is too stupid to handle money? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
453
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Posted - 2012.07.20 20:15:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: He has yet to provide any evidence that his assumption was reasonable. Instead he has simply repeated his claims ad nauseaum and refused to respond (in any meaningful way) to any criticism pointing out that he's concerned about a free item or about the fact that CCP routinely re-releases promotional items or about his lack of evidence suggesting that his assumption is reasonable.
The accusation was unreasonable in my personal opinion, but the question of whether the expectation was reasonable or not is not one that anyone who doesn't work for CCP could answer. At best he can only reasonably ask the question. And part of that question is evaluating whether different acts for eligibility of an offer should set different expectations of handling. I think the answer to that is yes. Others clearly disagree. Either way the people arguing in this thread can't make the final determination
Sure it is. Reasonably assumptions are assumptions that are reasonable given the facts available to the person making the assumption at the time he made it. The OP has not shown any reason he had to believe that the Shirt would only be available through that offer at the time he accepted the offer.. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
453
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Posted - 2012.07.20 20:16:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: The OP is the one making the assertion that his assumption that CCP would never re-release a promotional item was reasonable. That the person making the assertion has the burden to provide evidence to defend their assessment is a longstanding tradition of debate.
You can't say "The Bigfoot is alive, Prove I'm wrong" and be taken seriously. You have to say "The Bigfoot is alive, here he is in a cage." That goes for any assertion, no matter how tame and ordinary because it's long been understood that disproving an assertion is impractical if not impossible.
This I can agree with right up to the point of vitrolic counter attacks effectively asserting that The Antiquarian position was factually false. At that point a counter assumption has been made and is being asserted in the same manner. And at this point in the argument, with CCP conceding that this was intended as a one time offer of the item, it proves that while the accusation is less than prudently worded, there was an underlying question worthy of response. He has yet to provide any evidence that his assumption was reasonable. Instead he has simply repeated his claims ad nauseaum and refused to respond (in any meaningful way) to any criticism pointing out that he's concerned about a free item or about the fact that CCP routinely re-releases promotional items or about his lack of evidence suggesting that his assumption is reasonable. Oh, and he keeps bumping his thread with content-free posts, which is annoying and against the forum's rules. I am more curious as to how he came to the conclusion that throwing $230 on a virtual item to be a special cookie was a really great idea, only to find out six months later that everyone too can be a special cookie for basically nothing and now, he throws an angry self-entitlement tantrum because he is too stupid to handle money?
He bought PLEX at a Discount. The Shirt was a free tchotchkey that came with it. He spent negative dollars on the shirt. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
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ReptilesBlade
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
19
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Posted - 2012.07.20 20:20:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:ADDENDUMISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT & WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD)Judging by the CCPGÇÖs recent action to remove the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, it shows CCPGÇÖs admittance on their mistake to release those two items on the NEX Store in the first place. Removing those two items is an appropriate first step, but that does not provide any reparation for those who were adversely affected by CCPGÇÖs marketing failure. Those who took the GÇ£leap of faithGÇ¥ in CCPGÇÖs are still disenfranchised by seeing billions of their initial investments on these unique shirts turned to GÇ£dustGÇ¥ due to the untold number of those shirts being circulated out into the market, thanks to CCPGÇÖs mistake of releasing those items for $0.50 on NEX Store.Obviously CCP can not take away hundreds of ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT and WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD) that were purchased for $0.50 post the recent patch. CCP needs to make appropriate reparations in forms of another completely unique items to the previous owners of those rare apparels. That is the only GÇ£justGÇ¥ and GÇ£equitableGÇ¥ action.
I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again. You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items. But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this? CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH! CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items. Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 2B. Now, it costs 20 million to purchase (although the price increased after CCP decided to stop the sale of Ishukone, the current market price is 1/10th of the original market value of 2B). So far, this has been the message that CCP has indirectly expressed to all the supporters of Noble Exchange, cash for PLEXs, and all other marketing schemes: "Thank you for your contribution. You assumed the risk and this is what you get. You will be the laughing stock of the entire community of EVE Online. We will remain mute for the rest of the period. Oh!! And don't forget: we are here sitting behind the desk, laughing at you too!"Please refer to the following post on the Market Discussion for those who were adversely affected by CCP's recent flooding of pre-existing rare/unique outfits on NEX Store for fraction of their initial costs.
You are getting worked up because you were stupid enough to spend untold billions of isk and time on an imaginary shirt in a video game?
Why not just take a picture of said shirt to a custom shirt maker (or their website if you are the kind of neckbeard I suspect you are) and then get said shirt to wear in real life? Then you could look as pretentious and foolish in real life as your avatar looks! You might even amaze your friends provided you have any real life friends to begin with. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
236
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Posted - 2012.07.20 20:21:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: He has yet to provide any evidence that his assumption was reasonable. Instead he has simply repeated his claims ad nauseaum and refused to respond (in any meaningful way) to any criticism pointing out that he's concerned about a free item or about the fact that CCP routinely re-releases promotional items or about his lack of evidence suggesting that his assumption is reasonable.
The accusation was unreasonable in my personal opinion, but the question of whether the expectation was reasonable or not is not one that anyone who doesn't work for CCP could answer. At best he can only reasonably ask the question. And part of that question is evaluating whether different acts for eligibility of an offer should set different expectations of handling. I think the answer to that is yes. Others clearly disagree. Either way the people arguing in this thread can't make the final determination Sure it is. Reasonably assumptions are assumptions that are reasonable given the facts available to the person making the assumption at the time he made it. The OP has not shown any reason he had to believe that the Shirt would only be available through that offer at the time he accepted the offer.. How many offers of the same nature had been made at that time to draw a precedent (PLEX purchase offers yielding an extra and prior unreleased item)? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
454
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Posted - 2012.07.20 20:26:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: He has yet to provide any evidence that his assumption was reasonable. Instead he has simply repeated his claims ad nauseaum and refused to respond (in any meaningful way) to any criticism pointing out that he's concerned about a free item or about the fact that CCP routinely re-releases promotional items or about his lack of evidence suggesting that his assumption is reasonable.
The accusation was unreasonable in my personal opinion, but the question of whether the expectation was reasonable or not is not one that anyone who doesn't work for CCP could answer. At best he can only reasonably ask the question. And part of that question is evaluating whether different acts for eligibility of an offer should set different expectations of handling. I think the answer to that is yes. Others clearly disagree. Either way the people arguing in this thread can't make the final determination Sure it is. Reasonably assumptions are assumptions that are reasonable given the facts available to the person making the assumption at the time he made it. The OP has not shown any reason he had to believe that the Shirt would only be available through that offer at the time he accepted the offer.. How many offers of the same nature had been made at that time to draw a precedent (PLEX purchase offers yielding an extra and prior unreleased item)?
Irrelevant. The Text of the Offer is the issue in question. If it specifies that the item is one time only, he's got a case. If it's the offer that's one time only, he doesn't and he read something into it that wasn't there. OP's job is to find the text of the offer and post it and point out where it says the item is only going to be available through the offer. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
236
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Posted - 2012.07.20 20:29:00 -
[824] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: How many offers of the same nature had been made at that time to draw a precedent (PLEX purchase offers yielding an extra and prior unreleased item)?
Irrelevant. The Text of the Offer is the issue in question. If it specifies that the item is one time only, he's got a case. If it's the offer that's one time only, he doesn't and he read something into it that wasn't there. OP's job is to find the text of the offer and post it and point out where it says the item is only going to be available through the offer. I don't see how that precludes the question of the intent of such items to remain unique to that offer. The other implications I feel I've already addressed, including the accusation of wrongdoing. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
538
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:06:00 -
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You keep claiming that I am bumping this thread with "content-free" postings. I was just responding content-free inquiries made by numerous others with appropriate content-free responses. I suggest you start from the scratch and note that we've provided actual answers to all these "content-free" questions that you guys were so keen on asking for the past three weeks.
Once again, receiving a minuscule discount over the PLEXs does not outweigh the costs including the postponement of purchases and the loss of potential cash flow derived from investing the money on other investments that provide index returns.
Once again, there was absolutely no reason for me to have hundreds of dollars of cash tied to PLEXs that I won't be able to spend for the next several years.
But most importantly, the crux of my thread and ranting has implications beyond me moaning and bitching about the loss of market value. How CCP responses to this issue will ultimately determine the effectiveness of the marketing promotion in the future. If CCP will make these special ingame items available for merely hundredth of fraction of the initial "tied-in" arrangements or the costs, several months after each marketing promotions, then the effectiveness of the marketing promotions will diminish as the potential cash spenders will realize that it only takes several months of idling to obtain these unique ingame items. What incentives are there if it takes nearly no effort (relative to what it takes to get the items via "tied-in" arrangements) to obtain these items again for 10-20M ISK?
You guys can ridicule my investment decisions all day long, but once again, I made a logical assumption that seeing how CCP is a reputable game company, when CCP said "one-time offer," I took it literally as a "one-time offer." Blizzard did so for the past 7 years without making that definition ambiguous. Why shouldn't CCP do the same?
CCP Devs already acknowledged that the reissuance of these unique shirts was a complete mistake. Why are you still being insistant on proving the flaws in my logic? That is called trolling. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8664
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:10:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:You keep claiming that I am bumping this thread with "content-free" postings. Just because you can't think of a good answer to the content of the posts doesn't mean they're content-free GÇö it just means you have no idea how to respond. The one person that has pretty consistently gone off-topic in this thread (to the point of having posts removed because of itGǪ well, because of that and because of trolling) is you.
Why don't you want to discuss the topic? Why can't you discuss the topic?
Quote:Once again, there was absolutely no reason for me to have hundreds of dollars of cash tied to PLEXs that I won't be able to spend for the next several years. GǪthen maybe you should have thought twice about making that kind of investment. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1658
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:10:00 -
[827] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote: The Text of the Offer is the issue in question. If it specifies that the item is one time only, he's got a case. If it's the offer that's one time only, he doesn't and he read something into it that wasn't there.
Since CCP has repeatedly stated that the text of the offer was intended to convey what the Antiquarian has interpreted it as, the question has been answered to everyone but the trolls satisfaction. And since the trolls are now telling CCP over and over again that the are wrong, we may end up with you, at least, getting yet another character banned. And the other two reprimanded, post deleted or both.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8664
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:20:00 -
[828] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Since CCP has repeatedly stated that the text of the offer was intended to convey what the Antiquarian has interpreted it as, the question has been answered to everyone but the trolls satisfaction. GǪexcept that whether or not the wording made it a reasonable assumption is still very much in question.
If anything, we have a vast amount of precedents showing CCP to be very bad at communicating their intentions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2359
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:29:00 -
[829] - Quote
Greed is good. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
457
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:31:00 -
[830] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: If CCP will make these special ingame items available for merely hundredth of fraction of the initial "tied-in" arrangements or the costs,.
The Shirt cost nothing. You got a discount on the PLEX, so really CCP paid you to take the shirt. But we'll round the price of the shirt up to Free for the sake of argument.
CCP then made that Free item available for much more than its initial price of Free. This made you angry because you got something that other people will now have to pay for for Free... EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
538
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:33:00 -
[831] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: If CCP will make these special ingame items available for merely hundredth of fraction of the initial "tied-in" arrangements or the costs,. The Shirt cost nothing. You got a discount on the PLEX, so really CCP paid you to take the shirt. But we'll round the price of the shirt up to Free for the sake of argument. CCP then made that Free item available for much more than its initial price of Free. This made you angry because you got something that other people will now have to pay for for Free...
Once you understand basic concepts of finance, you will understand my arguments.
And please tell me. So you think if CCP does rule in favor of your arguments, then are you telling me that it has absolutely no impact on the future of similar marketing promotions? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
821
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:37:00 -
[832] - Quote
Anybody not smart enough to drop $900 on 3 pixel shirts is dumb and doesn't understand basic finance. Why did you take my wings away? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
457
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:40:00 -
[833] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: If CCP will make these special ingame items available for merely hundredth of fraction of the initial "tied-in" arrangements or the costs,. The Shirt cost nothing. You got a discount on the PLEX, so really CCP paid you to take the shirt. But we'll round the price of the shirt up to Free for the sake of argument. CCP then made that Free item available for much more than its initial price of Free. This made you angry because you got something that other people will now have to pay for for Free... Once you understand basic concepts of finance, you will understand my arguments. And please tell me. So you think if CCP does rule in favor of your arguments, then are you telling me that it has absolutely no impact on the future of similar marketing promotions?
GÇ£If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enoughGÇ¥ -A.E.
Their PLEX discounts have been pretty successful in the past, and I see no evidence to suggest that the Shirt caused more discounted PLEX to be purchased than during other sales. You bought PLEX at a discount and they threw in a free shirt. Plenty of companies do things like that and most of them repeat the free item. The discount is the sales pitch. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
538
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:40:00 -
[834] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Anybody not smart enough to drop $900 on 3 pixel shirts is dumb and doesn't understand basic finance.
Everybody value things differently.
Everybody have different level of disposable income.
I would like to believe that our conflict of interests derive from the fact we value things differently. Don't make me think that latter is the reason why you disagree. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1658
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:40:00 -
[835] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Since CCP has repeatedly stated that the text of the offer was intended to convey what the Antiquarian has interpreted it as, the question has been answered to everyone but the trolls satisfaction. GǪexcept that whether or not the wording made it a reasonable assumption is still very much in question.
By you and the other two trolling perhaps. But everyone else seems to have grasped the meaning of it and CCP has confirmed that it is the intended one.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8664
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:43:00 -
[836] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:By you and the other two trolling perhaps. By me and quite a few more. I don't know what trolls like the OP are thinking, but I sure would like them to provide something other than platitudes and appeals-to-authority fallacies to support their position.
Quote:CCP has confirmed that it is the intended one. GǪbut not whether it was reasonable to assume what the OP assumed, which is what's being discussed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1658
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:52:00 -
[837] - Quote
Tippia wrote:[quote=Mr Epeen] Quote:CCP has confirmed that it is the intended one. GǪbut not whether it was reasonable to assume what the OP assumed, which is what's being discussed.
Of course it was reasonable to assume what the OP assumed. The OP assumed what CCP intended him to assume. But keep hammering for the derail as much as you like. I enjoy your struggle to recover some of the dignity you are hemorrhaging all over this thread.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8664
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:53:00 -
[838] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Of course it was reasonable to assume what the OP assumed. Based on what? What did the ad and offer say to make him assume this? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1658
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:56:00 -
[839] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Of course it was reasonable to assume what the OP assumed. Based on what? What did the ad and offer say to make him assume this?
Based on read the next sentence after the one you selectively quoted.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8664
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Posted - 2012.07.21 00:58:00 -
[840] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Based on read the next sentence after the one you selectively quoted. GǪexcept that the sentence in question does not explain what the ad and offer said that made him assume this. So what did he base his assumption on? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2360
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Posted - 2012.07.21 01:19:00 -
[841] - Quote
Why does the OP have two blocks of butter on his shoulders? LOL that's stupid. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
538
|
Posted - 2012.07.21 01:35:00 -
[842] - Quote
Lady Spank wrote:Why does the OP have two blocks of butter on his shoulders? LOL that's stupid.
Awesome job with trolling, throwing nonsensical posting that is completely irrelevant to the issues discussed here. |
ReptilesBlade
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
20
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Posted - 2012.07.21 02:53:00 -
[843] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Why does the OP have two blocks of butter on his shoulders? LOL that's stupid. Awesome job with trolling, throwing nonsensical posting that is completely irrelevant to the issues discussed here.
Actually now that she mentions it it does look like you got a lot of butter on your shirt.
Or maybe even margarine, the fake butter. Yeah, fake butter would definitely look a lot better on a fake shirt. Look CCP I could design fashion for you too! |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
538
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Posted - 2012.07.21 02:57:00 -
[844] - Quote
ReptilesBlade wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Why does the OP have two blocks of butter on his shoulders? LOL that's stupid. Awesome job with trolling, throwing nonsensical posting that is completely irrelevant to the issues discussed here. Actually now that she mentions it it does look like you got a lot of butter on your shirt. Or maybe even margarine, the fake butter. Yeah, fake butter would definitely look a lot better on a fake shirt. Look CCP I could design fashion for you too!
Continue on with trolling. This thread definitely needs more bumping so that it could remain on the top of the forum. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2360
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Posted - 2012.07.21 03:21:00 -
[845] - Quote
The only person trolling here is you with your laughable concerns. I on the other hand simply made a relevant observation. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
538
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Posted - 2012.07.21 03:27:00 -
[846] - Quote
Lady Spank wrote:The only person trolling here is you with your laughable concerns. I on the other hand simply made a relevant observation.
CCP devs disagree with you.
Continue trolling and bumping this thread! Much appreciated! |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
457
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Posted - 2012.07.21 03:39:00 -
[847] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Lady Spank wrote:The only person trolling here is you with your laughable concerns. I on the other hand simply made a relevant observation. CCP devs disagree with you. Continue trolling and bumping this thread! Much appreciated!
I don't think CCP has made any comment on your grand buttered shoulders. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2360
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Posted - 2012.07.21 03:45:00 -
[848] - Quote
My toast is too dry, who will help me? (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
EntroX
The Oversized Drive Club Lone Star Partners
6
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Posted - 2012.07.21 06:15:00 -
[849] - Quote
Lady Spank wrote:My toast is too dry, who will help me?
*hands Lady some butter* FailHeap Lotteries, the only lottery where failure is an option: http://flhp.me/lotto/ |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
78
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Posted - 2012.07.21 08:27:00 -
[850] - Quote
EDIT: Herping my derp, don't mind me. |
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Kashmyta
Predominant Dynamics
4
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Posted - 2012.07.21 09:32:00 -
[851] - Quote
So you bought 13 discounted Plex, with a free virtual t-shirt thrown in for good measure. You are now crying because the t-shirt is now widely available at a cheap price?
But Didn't you get 13 plex for a discount? and the t-shirt for free? so what is the problem |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
457
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Posted - 2012.07.21 09:36:00 -
[852] - Quote
Kashmyta wrote:So you bought 13 discounted Plex, with a free virtual t-shirt thrown in for good measure. You are now crying because the t-shirt is now widely available at a cheap price?
But Didn't you get 13 plex for a discount? and the t-shirt for free? so what is the problem
He apparently didn't want the PLEX anyway. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
29
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Posted - 2012.07.21 16:48:00 -
[853] - Quote
Is it just me or did we lose a few pages of junk?
If we did, good job whoever deleted it. None of that added to the discussion.
Back on topic, we are still waiting for a few questions to be answered (see page 29). |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
696
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:26:00 -
[854] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Rer Eirikr wrote:And I suggest you give it a rest about a virtual T-shirt that you bought with real money and figured you could speculate on, even if it was mistakenly placed on the market. Speculate? I made reasonable assumption that CCP will never reintroduce these items via alternative venues for 1/30th of the market value to the general populous. Usually, a reputable company such as Blizzard, means what they claim when an ingame item is advertised as a "one-time offer." I made a logical assumption that seeing how CCP is one of the most reputable game company in the industry, it would hold similar stance. And do you guys just not get the important implication here? This is not just about me or hundreds of others crying about the market value lost over these shirts. What CCP decides to do here, determines the effectiveness of the future marketing promotions. It's not like YOU will be paying any extra dollars to CCP since you will generate most of your PLEX via ingame. When CCP decides to launch a future promotion to entice new players or current players to dish out more cash flow for the Company, the effectiveness of the marketing practices diminish if the customers realize that all they need to do is wait for several months and wait for CCP to reintroduce the marketed items for a minuscule effort.
I have no problem giving CCP money during their promotions because they are a better company and developer than most, including Blizzard. But I won't give CCP a stupid amount of money for a virtual item, not because I sleep poorly at night, fearing that they might re-introduce it at some point. Because my better judgement tells me that it is simply not worth it.
As I don't see CCP ever signing some kind of a exclusivity contract with you when you buy a $230 virtual t-shirt that it really would be yours, you are paying to dress your toon in their property. Nothing else. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
459
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Posted - 2012.07.21 19:41:00 -
[855] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Rer Eirikr wrote:And I suggest you give it a rest about a virtual T-shirt that you bought with real money and figured you could speculate on, even if it was mistakenly placed on the market. Speculate? I made reasonable assumption that CCP will never reintroduce these items via alternative venues for 1/30th of the market value to the general populous.
You have yet to show that the assumption you made was reasonable at the time you made it. Reissue is the risk you take when you speculate on limited offers. You speculated and you got bit. Just like people who speculated on the Zephyr and co.
You got PLEX at a big discount. Do you have any numbers to suggest that the shirt made the discounted PLEX promotion more successful? (Market data showing a bigger Plex price dip than other PLEX promos would be one method) EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1662
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Posted - 2012.07.21 21:10:00 -
[856] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Fap fap fap
Just can't let it go, can you?
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Jonas Xiamon
83
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Posted - 2012.07.22 01:16:00 -
[857] - Quote
This isn't the first time CCP's pulled this bullshit, luckily for me I didn't invest real money in this, but I did invest a moderate sum of isk into this item, which I assumed was a collectors item. This is upsetting, I consider myself a small time collector of "rare" items, and when CCP reissues these rare items, it desecrates their value, and it makes me less inclined to participate in one of the aspects of the game I enjoy, collecting.
Edit: Sorry, didn't read the whole thread.
The Antiquarian wrote: Thank you very much, CCP Spitfire, CCP Navigator, and CCP t0rfifrans.
Oh and as for the Ishukone Sterling Shirt, please don't forget about those investors who also spent billions of ISK to purchase the shirts, prior to the shirt being available via NEX Store.
This please, while I was fortunate enough to get a good deal on the shirt, I worked hard to get that deal, making sure multiple times a day that my buy order was on top, for weeks, until I got the shirt. I would feel quite betrayed if I was left out of what ever reparations are in store. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
46
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Posted - 2012.07.22 11:58:00 -
[858] - Quote
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.
In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something...
I NEED BI-MONOCLE
Also: please make me feel like more of a space princess wearing my Ishukone shirt :(
Also Also: It became the highest trading item because it is awesome, duh. Ill buy whoever designed it a beer at fanfest X.
Also Also Also: Im stuck at an airport so im going to keep posting random stuff Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
540
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Posted - 2012.07.22 12:58:00 -
[859] - Quote
Hello CCP Devs, I hope that you guys rae having a fantastic weekend. Could you guys kindly take a look at the questions that we've asked and provide us with appropriate responses before steam-rolling the changes? We have been waiting for four weeks. All this waiting is getting quite displeasing. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
29
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Posted - 2012.07.22 22:56:00 -
[860] - Quote
Waiting for answers |
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Cesti Tissant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.07.23 02:31:00 -
[861] - Quote
Bump for justice. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
541
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Posted - 2012.07.23 15:32:00 -
[862] - Quote
It's been a month.
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iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
30
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:54:00 -
[863] - Quote
Why no updates? What's going on? Will we see something in the next patch? |
Jonas Xiamon
84
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Posted - 2012.07.24 00:24:00 -
[864] - Quote
Bump for answer. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
541
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:47:00 -
[865] - Quote
It's been a month since this mess-up. CCP devs, could you please kindly take a look at the list of questions we compiled, and provide us with a status update? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
701
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:53:00 -
[866] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:It's been a month since this mess-up. CCP devs, could you please kindly take a look at the list of questions we compiled, and provide us with a status update?
Just let it be a sour lesson that you paid $230 for dressing your (actually theirs) toon in their property and HTFU. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
210
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Posted - 2012.07.24 07:00:00 -
[867] - Quote
Why is this getting the attention, CCP have been screwing over collectors for years. All those ships that had collectors value as they were supposedly 'one offs' that than get released in gift bundles or plex offers in the future, ruining any rarity. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
541
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Posted - 2012.07.24 07:02:00 -
[868] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:It's been a month since this mess-up. CCP devs, could you please kindly take a look at the list of questions we compiled, and provide us with a status update? Just let it be a sour lesson that you paid $230 for dressing your (actually theirs) toon in their property and HTFU.
Collecting random weird geeky stuff on EVE is my chosen profession in EVE Online. I need a clear answer from CCP so I know what to do when the next similar promotions are available in the future. |
Pipa Porto
474
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Posted - 2012.07.24 07:11:00 -
[869] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Alpheias wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:It's been a month since this mess-up. CCP devs, could you please kindly take a look at the list of questions we compiled, and provide us with a status update? Just let it be a sour lesson that you paid $230 for dressing your (actually theirs) toon in their property and HTFU. Collecting random weird geeky stuff on EVE is my chosen profession in EVE Online. I need a clear answer from CCP so I know what to do when the next similar promotions are available in the future.
If you just want to collect them, why do you care what their market value is? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
703
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Posted - 2012.07.24 07:13:00 -
[870] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Alpheias wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:It's been a month since this mess-up. CCP devs, could you please kindly take a look at the list of questions we compiled, and provide us with a status update? Just let it be a sour lesson that you paid $230 for dressing your (actually theirs) toon in their property and HTFU. Collecting random weird geeky stuff on EVE is my chosen profession in EVE Online. I need a clear answer from CCP so I know what to do when the next similar promotions are available in the future.
Sure. I collected toys from my youth as well, but I came to my senses when I realized just how much money went into it and, by all means, disagree but $230 for a virtual item is paying a lot of money for nothing.
My suggestion to you is that you don't buy any virtual apparel from CCP again but if it is something like a real-life Ishukone t-shirt, go nuts and once you have it, you frame it. Now it is a collectors item. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
659
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Posted - 2012.07.24 07:35:00 -
[871] - Quote
..so CCP is lying to their customers (again)? "we'll get back to you shortly", then no response..
..so CCP again show a display of dysfunctional internal communication?
In some ways, I'm glad they keep remembering us tho that we shouldn't invest too much time/money in this game, clearly they don't give a **** about us customers (in fact, even treat us bad). This is a good reminder of why I removed the EVE novels from my bookcase, and stopped waring my EVE shirts. Would be embarrassed if my RL friends saw any connection with a company like this. Quite a stark contrast compared to some 5 years+ ago, when I recommended this game (and company) to everyone I thought might be interested. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
703
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Posted - 2012.07.24 08:12:00 -
[872] - Quote
Misanth wrote:..so CCP is lying to their customers (again)? "we'll get back to you shortly", then no response..
..so CCP again show a display of dysfunctional internal communication?
In some ways, I'm glad they keep remembering us tho that we shouldn't invest too much time/money in this game, clearly they don't give a **** about us customers (in fact, even treat us bad). This is a good reminder of why I removed the EVE novels from my bookcase, and stopped waring my EVE shirts. Would be embarrassed if my RL friends saw any connection with a company like this. Quite a stark contrast compared to some 5 years+ ago, when I recommended this game (and company) to everyone I thought might be interested.
So why don't you just quit? Sounds to me that is exactly what you want to do so you can forget this horrific time of five years and counting where you have invested time and money into EVE. Oh, and the humiliation that you must live with..
Contract me your stuff. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
542
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Posted - 2012.07.24 08:45:00 -
[873] - Quote
Still waiting for responses that were promised to us from CCP Devs several weeks ago. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1416
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Posted - 2012.07.24 14:16:00 -
[874] - Quote
Ok so this issue with the Nex shirt will be resolved in the next release. Summer in CCP is when a lot of staff take vacation so finding the right people to finalize this issue takes more time than normal. To make this clear and unambiguous, this post is likely to be long.
History of the Nex shirt
So we had a special PLEX bundle in October 2011 which offered an GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ as part of the package. Since disclosing how many of these bundles we sell is not company policy, I will simply say it was GÇÿseveral hundred playersGÇÖ who took up this offer. At this stage I will also address that a second offer was released with the Russian CollectorGÇÖs edition which offered a special jacket. These two cases are different and will be addressed separately later on.
Inferno 1.1
With the Inferno 1.1 release we added multiple new items to the Nex store and the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ was added in error. Once again, GÇÿseveral hundred playersGÇÖ bought the shirt which was meant to be an exclusive item. Once it came to our attention that the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ was added by accident, we disabled the sale of this item while we decided what to do.
Replacement item
Team Avatar, the team responsible for all Nex store items, decided to create a new item called the GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ (please note that this is a brand new item and not currently listed in the Nex store) and would award this to the pilots who should have had the original exclusive GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ. Deciding who should get the shirt was a difficult task as not all shirts remained with the original owner. It was decided that the GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ would be awarded as follows:
If I was a player who took up the PLEX offer, or multiple instances of the PLEX offer, and retained the original GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ, I will automatically receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ on all accounts that purchased it or will receive multiple coats if purchased over multiple accounts. Therefore, if I bought 3 x PLEX offer I will receive three GÇÿField Marshall CoatsGÇÖ
If I was a player who took up the PLEX offer and sold the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ to Player B, Player B will receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ
If I was Player B who sold the shirt on again to Player c, Player C will receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ
And so on until the shirt is with the player who deserves to own it. The basis of this decision is that, if you sold your GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ, then you cashed out and the player buying it has invested in that exclusivity instead.
Deployment of replacement item
The new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ has had a new item description added from the content team and requires a deployment cycle before it can be issued. The next deployment cycle is Wednesday, August 8 for Inferno 1.2 and the coat will be assigned to the redeeming system of the pilots in question. If you feel you should have got a coat and one was not assigned, you will need to submit a petition for a Game Master to investigate. Once this deployment is complete, we will sell the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ in the store as normal. It will cease to be an exclusive item.
Russian CollectorGÇÖs Edition
There will be no change to the Russian CollectorGÇÖs Edition jacket as there are currently in excess of 3,000 box copies in circulation. This item was a giveaway with that box and many more will come in to circulation as players pick up that box set. The number of additional jackets sold before we removed them from the Nex store was exceptionally low and there is no logical or easy way to make this item more exclusive. It simply will have more jackets added over time and that is by design.
I sincerely hope that this clears up the matter. Many members of Team Avatar are still on vacation so if there are any questions it may take some time until they get answered
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
542
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Posted - 2012.07.24 16:07:00 -
[875] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:Ok so this issue with the Nex shirt will be resolved in the next release. Summer in CCP is when a lot of staff take vacation so finding the right people to finalize this issue takes more time than normal. To make this clear and unambiguous, this post is likely to be long. History of the Nex shirtSo we had a special PLEX bundle in October 2011 which offered an GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ as part of the package. Since disclosing how many of these bundles we sell is not company policy, I will simply say it was GÇÿseveral hundred playersGÇÖ who took up this offer. At this stage I will also address that a second offer was released with the Russian CollectorGÇÖs edition which offered a special jacket. These two cases are different and will be addressed separately later on. Inferno 1.1
With the Inferno 1.1 release we added multiple new items to the Nex store and the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ was added in error. Once again, GÇÿseveral hundred playersGÇÖ bought the shirt which was meant to be an exclusive item. Once it came to our attention that the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ was added by accident, we disabled the sale of this item while we decided what to do. Replacement itemTeam Avatar, the team responsible for all Nex store items, decided to create a new item called the GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ (please note that this is a brand new item and not currently listed in the Nex store) and would award this to the pilots who should have had the original exclusive GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ. Deciding who should get the shirt was a difficult task as not all shirts remained with the original owner. It was decided that the GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ would be awarded as follows: If I was a player who took up the PLEX offer, or multiple instances of the PLEX offer, and retained the original GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ, I will automatically receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ on all accounts that purchased it or will receive multiple coats if purchased over multiple accounts. Therefore, if I bought 3 x PLEX offer I will receive three GÇÿField Marshall CoatsGÇÖ If I was a player who took up the PLEX offer and sold the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ to Player B, Player B will receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ If I was Player B who sold the shirt on again to Player c, Player C will receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ And so on until the shirt is with the player who deserves to own it. The basis of this decision is that, if you sold your GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ, then you cashed out and the player buying it has invested in that exclusivity instead. Deployment of replacement itemThe new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ has had a new item description added from the content team and requires a deployment cycle before it can be issued. The next deployment cycle is Wednesday, August 8 for Inferno 1.2 and the coat will be assigned to the redeeming system of the pilots in question. If you feel you should have got a coat and one was not assigned, you will need to submit a petition for a Game Master to investigate. Once this deployment is complete, we will sell the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ in the store as normal. It will cease to be an exclusive item. Russian CollectorGÇÖs EditionThere will be no change to the Russian CollectorGÇÖs Edition jacket as there are currently in excess of 3,000 box copies in circulation. This item was a giveaway with that box and many more will come in to circulation as players pick up that box set. The number of additional jackets sold before we removed them from the Nex store was exceptionally low and there is no logical or easy way to make this item more exclusive. It simply will have more jackets added over time and that is by design. I sincerely hope that this clears up the matter. Many members of Team Avatar are still on vacation so if there are any questions it may take some time until they get answered
Thank you very much for the detailed response. You are king among men. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
542
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Posted - 2012.07.24 16:58:00 -
[876] - Quote
Also, is there going to be controls in place so that this kind of issues does not repeat again? Controls that prevent other promotional items that were marked as "limited/one-time-offer/limited edition" from being reissued? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1680
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Posted - 2012.07.24 17:01:00 -
[877] - Quote
Much better, Navigator.
I only hope this is the final solution and no more changes will be forthcoming as I just put all my AUR purchased Ishukone shirts on the market before word gets out that they will be back in again.
All in all it seems like a balanced solution and it will be nice to put this behind us.
I also hope you are 'hardwiring' a fix into the system so that this situation is the last we'll see of anything like this mix up again.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1417
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Posted - 2012.07.24 17:11:00 -
[878] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Also, is there going to be controls in place so that this kind of issues does not repeat again? Controls that prevent other promotional items that were marked as "limited/one-time-offer/limited edition" from being reissued?
Yes, that has already taken place. CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.07.24 17:23:00 -
[879] - Quote
How the f@*k is the thread 32 pages long.
CCP made a t-shirt as part of a plex offer. They made to many and not enough people took up the offer.
In order to get rid of stock taking up space. They discount id get rid. Nit that hard to figure out.shops do it all the time.
Got to a music shop and you will see the cd/ DVD you paid 10.99 for on.sale for half that a few months later.
Why
Same as above. They have to make room for new stock they can sell at a higher mark up.
I've actually lost some respect for ccp , for giving into you winggy turds. Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
542
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Posted - 2012.07.24 17:24:00 -
[880] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Also, is there going to be controls in place so that this kind of issues does not repeat again? Controls that prevent other promotional items that were marked as "limited/one-time-offer/limited edition" from being reissued? Yes, that has already taken place.
Thank you very much. Those controls will definitely increase the likelihood of cash spenders participating in the future promotions. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1681
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Posted - 2012.07.24 17:29:00 -
[881] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:How the f@*k is the thread 32 pages long.
CCP made a t-shirt as part of a plex offer. They made to many and not enough people took up the offer.
In order to get rid of stock taking up space. They discount id get rid. Nit that hard to figure out.shops do it all the time.
Got to a music shop and you will see the cd/ DVD you paid 10.99 for on.sale for half that a few months later.
Why
Same as above. They have to make room for new stock they can sell at a higher mark up.
I've actually lost some respect for ccp , for giving into you winggy turds.
Hard to make too many VIRTUAL items.
Time to pop a Xanax and reread the OP.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
542
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Posted - 2012.07.24 17:31:00 -
[882] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:How the f@*k is the thread 32 pages long.
CCP made a t-shirt as part of a plex offer. They made to many and not enough people took up the offer.
In order to get rid of stock taking up space. They discount id get rid. Nit that hard to figure out.shops do it all the time.
Got to a music shop and you will see the cd/ DVD you paid 10.99 for on.sale for half that a few months later.
Why
Same as above. They have to make room for new stock they can sell at a higher mark up.
I've actually lost some respect for ccp , for giving into you winggy turds.
And Mr Epeen is right. You seriously need to retouch on accounting studies and the concept of inventory management. |
Jonas Xiamon
85
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Posted - 2012.07.24 23:17:00 -
[883] - Quote
Thank you very much CCP Navigator, this is a more than sufficient fix. :)
As asked above, any word on whether or not the Ishokune shirt will or will not be added back to the NeX? I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
783
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Posted - 2012.07.25 00:14:00 -
[884] - Quote
You should have demanded the latex catsuits from the early Incarna videos. You'd have made a fortune. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1021
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Posted - 2012.07.25 00:16:00 -
[885] - Quote
this is more like buying the collators edition of a game to get the sweet bioshock 1 soundtrack on vinyl. Just to have the same copy resold for 5$, when the advertisement said it was a one time release.
You would be able to sue over that, no joke. and imo it's justifiable. to anyone thinking ccp is stupid for taking this seriously, then you don't understand collectors. Paying to get something exclusive one time release, that's part of why people will buy it. if it's then not a one time release, that is a chrome, literately false advertising. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
32
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Posted - 2012.07.25 11:33:00 -
[886] - Quote
CCP Navigator, I am pleased to see this issue will finally get fixed, however I am disappointed that the ishukone shirt will be placed back on the market. As a trader I ended up with several of these shirts, which I paid about 1b each for because my buy orders were up on patch day, and people created these shirts and sold them to me when they were only worth about 50m. As it stands it doesn't appear I will receive any compensation, yet I still lost out due to your mistake. Do you think this is a situation which deserves a petition? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
705
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Posted - 2012.07.25 12:27:00 -
[887] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:CCP Navigator, I am pleased to see this issue will finally get fixed, however I am disappointed that the ishukone shirt will be placed back on the market. As a trader I ended up with several of these shirts, which I paid about 1b each for because my buy orders were up on patch day, and people created these shirts and sold them to me when they were only worth about 50m. As it stands it doesn't appear I will receive any compensation, yet I still lost out due to your mistake. Do you think this is a situation which deserves a petition?
No. Deal with it. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.07.25 13:25:00 -
[888] - Quote
Alpheias wrote: No. Deal with it.
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1963
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Posted - 2012.07.25 13:58:00 -
[889] - Quote
Trolling attempts and non-constructive replies will be strictly dealt with, please be polite and constructive.
CCP Navigator provided extensive answers to many questions in great detail. If there are still questions open directly related to this issue we will gladly answer them as soon as possible (might might be still slow due to summer vacation time), non-constructive replies or spam replies however are not allowed. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
828
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Posted - 2012.07.25 13:59:00 -
[890] - Quote
You get nothing because you were on the wrong end of the moving market. Enjoy. Why did you take my wings away? |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.07.25 17:19:00 -
[891] - Quote
Perhaps I've missed an implication somewhere in the course of this thread but after reviewing the dev posts I've been unable to find any clear statement as to the fate of the nex offer for the Ishukone shirt. If it has been stated and I've missed it then I apologize but would be appreciative of anyone pointing me in the right direction for confirmation.
If it hasn't been clearly stated then I'd like to ask directly: Will the Ishukone shirt offer in the Nex store be returning in Inferno 1.2?
Kinda liked the shirt and missed out. Would like to know if I get a second chance. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1967
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:35:00 -
[892] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Perhaps I've missed an implication somewhere in the course of this thread but after reviewing the dev posts I've been unable to find any clear statement as to the fate of the nex offer for the Ishukone shirt. If it has been stated and I've missed it then I apologize but would be appreciative of anyone pointing me in the right direction for confirmation.
If it hasn't been clearly stated then I'd like to ask directly: Will the Ishukone shirt offer in the Nex store be returning in Inferno 1.2?
Kinda liked the shirt and missed out. Would like to know if I get a second chance.
According to the previous post from CCP Navigator:
Quote:Once this deployment is complete, we will sell the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ in the store as normal. It will cease to be an exclusive item. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
244
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Posted - 2012.07.25 19:08:00 -
[893] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Perhaps I've missed an implication somewhere in the course of this thread but after reviewing the dev posts I've been unable to find any clear statement as to the fate of the nex offer for the Ishukone shirt. If it has been stated and I've missed it then I apologize but would be appreciative of anyone pointing me in the right direction for confirmation.
If it hasn't been clearly stated then I'd like to ask directly: Will the Ishukone shirt offer in the Nex store be returning in Inferno 1.2?
Kinda liked the shirt and missed out. Would like to know if I get a second chance. According to the previous post from CCP Navigator: Quote:Once this deployment is complete, we will sell the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ in the store as normal. It will cease to be an exclusive item. Thanks for pointing it out. As I thought I did miss it in the text of the posts. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
545
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Posted - 2012.07.25 19:13:00 -
[894] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Perhaps I've missed an implication somewhere in the course of this thread but after reviewing the dev posts I've been unable to find any clear statement as to the fate of the nex offer for the Ishukone shirt. If it has been stated and I've missed it then I apologize but would be appreciative of anyone pointing me in the right direction for confirmation.
If it hasn't been clearly stated then I'd like to ask directly: Will the Ishukone shirt offer in the Nex store be returning in Inferno 1.2?
Kinda liked the shirt and missed out. Would like to know if I get a second chance. According to the previous post from CCP Navigator: Quote:Once this deployment is complete, we will sell the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ in the store as normal. It will cease to be an exclusive item.
I am currently in possession of three "original" Ishukone shirts. Do I have to keep those until the date of the next patch in order to receive the Field Marshal Coat? |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
95
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Posted - 2012.07.25 19:53:00 -
[895] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:
Russian CollectorGÇÖs Edition
There will be no change to the Russian CollectorGÇÖs Edition jacket as there are currently in excess of 3,000 box copies in circulation. This item was a giveaway with that box and many more will come in to circulation as players pick up that box set. The number of additional jackets sold before we removed them from the Nex store was exceptionally low and there is no logical or easy way to make this item more exclusive. It simply will have more jackets added over time and that is by design.
Having had a few of these both before and after 1.1 I will admit that the long term impact probably will be small for this item. The prices while lower than they were pre-1.1 are not that much off from the prices from a few months ago and are climbing.
Looking at the traffic history for the Ishikone shirts suggest that they were far fewer in circulation. I am not too clear about the explanation. From my reading it would imply that whoever is the most current owner of the shirt should be reimbursed. I would imagine that it would be fairer if it were given to those who had Ishikones when 1.1 rolled out since many people dumped their stock to minimize their loses, and those buying the "true" Ishikone shirts from the open market got them for very cheap. At this point it is even probable that a few "true" Ishikone are floating in the market hubs intermixed with the NEX Ishikone for a fraction of their 1.2 value.
I wouldn't be surprised however if it is not possible to see a complete list of Ishikone owners at the 1.1 patch moment which would explain the current owner policy which is probably the next best solution. |
Jonas Xiamon
87
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Posted - 2012.07.25 23:50:00 -
[896] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:I am currently in possession of three "original" Ishukone shirts. Do I have to keep those until the date of the next patch in order to receive the Field Marshal Coat?
I believe so, that's what I understood. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
33
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Posted - 2012.07.26 08:06:00 -
[897] - Quote
Jonas Xiamon wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:I am currently in possession of three "original" Ishukone shirts. Do I have to keep those until the date of the next patch in order to receive the Field Marshal Coat? I believe so, that's what I understood.
I read this differently. From what I understand, the only important thing is whether you had the shirt in your possession on patch day when it was accidentally released. If this is not the case, then how would CCP keep track of which shirts were "originals" and which were the newer NEX items? Though this is a good question and some clarification would be nice.
I'm looking forward to seeing the description on the new item, hopefully it will be something comical... |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
707
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Posted - 2012.07.26 09:48:00 -
[898] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:
hopefully it will be something comical...
I paid $230 dollars and all I got was a lousy t-shirt that was put on the market anyway... a¦á_a¦á I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
674
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:03:00 -
[899] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Misanth wrote:..so CCP is lying to their customers (again)? "we'll get back to you shortly", then no response..
..so CCP again show a display of dysfunctional internal communication?
In some ways, I'm glad they keep remembering us tho that we shouldn't invest too much time/money in this game, clearly they don't give a **** about us customers (in fact, even treat us bad). This is a good reminder of why I removed the EVE novels from my bookcase, and stopped waring my EVE shirts. Would be embarrassed if my RL friends saw any connection with a company like this. Quite a stark contrast compared to some 5 years+ ago, when I recommended this game (and company) to everyone I thought might be interested. So why don't you just quit? Sounds to me that is exactly what you want to do so you can forget this horrific time of five years and counting where you have invested time and money into EVE. Oh, and the humiliation that you must live with.. Contract me your stuff.
Where did I say the game is bad, or that the average GM is? The upper management of CCP is horrible, that's a fact, and they do their best to ruin this game. Fortunately, even their feeble attempt to destroy everything that makes this game special, still hasn't completely succeeded.
EVE is worth playing, and there is the people at CCP worth praise, the average Joe doing his daily choirs, and the original creators. But we'd be much better off if certain higher-ups left their job and let real enthusiasts that actually played the game, take over. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
34
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:41:00 -
[900] - Quote
"The new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ has had a new item description added from the content team and requires a deployment cycle before it can be issued. The next deployment cycle is Wednesday, August 8 for Inferno 1.2"
Were the changes deployed in Inferno 1.2 as planned?
"Once this deployment is complete, we will sell the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ in the store as normal."
I do not see the ishukone shirt in the store. |
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CCP Bayesian
368
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Posted - 2012.08.08 13:11:00 -
[901] - Quote
iskflakes wrote:"The new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ has had a new item description added from the content team and requires a deployment cycle before it can be issued. The next deployment cycle is Wednesday, August 8 for Inferno 1.2"
Were the changes deployed in Inferno 1.2 as planned?
"Once this deployment is complete, we will sell the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ in the store as normal."
I do not see the ishukone shirt in the store.
The changes were deployed as planned so all those eligible for the replacement Field Marshall Coat should be able to redeem it. If you think you should be eligible but haven't received anything then please post here and raise a petition.
With regards the Ishukone shirt that has probably slipped through the cracks as this information wasn't passed on to the team members who were actually here over the holiday period. I'll see if we can get it patched in soon and update the thread. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
34
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Posted - 2012.08.08 13:31:00 -
[902] - Quote
Thank you for the fast response (much faster than when this thread started).
"Edit: The Ishukone Shirt will make it onto the store once we've made sure all those who are eligible to get the replacement item get one. The deployment mentioned in the quote is that of the replacement item not the latest version of EVE."
So if I understand this correctly, the ishukone shirt will be made available in a future patch? I will assume that to be the case if there are no more replies. |
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CCP Bayesian
368
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Posted - 2012.08.08 13:42:00 -
[903] - Quote
Yup, that's the plan. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Sarcasim
The Southern Gentleman's Social Club Event Horizon Protocol
5
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Posted - 2012.08.08 14:00:00 -
[904] - Quote
As you said one time offer. Are they still offering this item for 13 plex? No? Sounds like they kept that part of thier word. The rest was an asumption on your part. Sorry but let the buyer beware. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
565
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Posted - 2012.08.08 15:19:00 -
[905] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:iskflakes wrote:"The new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ has had a new item description added from the content team and requires a deployment cycle before it can be issued. The next deployment cycle is Wednesday, August 8 for Inferno 1.2"
Were the changes deployed in Inferno 1.2 as planned?
"Once this deployment is complete, we will sell the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ in the store as normal."
I do not see the ishukone shirt in the store. The changes were deployed as planned so all those eligible for the replacement Field Marshall Coat should be able to redeem it. If you think you should be eligible but haven't received anything then please post here and raise a GM petition. Edit: The Ishukone Shirt will make it onto the store once we've made sure all those who are eligible to get the replacement item get one. The deployment mentioned in the quote is that of the replacement item not the latest version of EVE.
Thank you for your help!
I assume if I was suppose to get three, but only received two, I can petition GM to receive the remaining new Field Marshall Coat? |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
94
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Posted - 2012.08.08 16:25:00 -
[906] - Quote
Rikula wrote:Ok, I think at this point my point has been clearly made, but for some reason you still want to disagree with me. I don't know why, but if you're just going to say "the answer remains the same", I suspect you want to leave it at that. And so I will say: you have failed to give even a plausible way in which it is a "special edition" as opposed to "just like every other item". According to your reasoning, I'd need to think that ALL the new NEX items are "special editions", since they all differ in colour from the "normal" (and I'd be interested to know which item you consider to be the "normal" one). Perhaps they are special in just the same way that our mum always tells us we are "special". That is, "special" like everyone else.
I agree with you in one regard though - the wording of the original offer would be important. My attempts to google and find it have failed.
Its a different colour bro, like most special edition variations of things ever.
If the offer said limited edition or limited item then ccp were in the wrong. If the offer didn't say limited or said it only in relation to "limited offer" then the op made a silly assumption.
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yashik
The Great Awakening of Phoenix
2
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Posted - 2012.08.08 19:42:00 -
[907] - Quote
yes, it worked... :)
Thank you for a new 'Silvershore' Greatcoat you made me happy once again
ps: i also like it's description mainly it's Title that says (Limited Collection)
if you can try to make a suggestion to yours nex team ... a new design for longer coat, in style like what we seen in Matrix / Neo or Morpheus even underworld... have a verry good cloth design of long cloats
for such a thing i will gladly buy another plex bundle if it's going to be limited collection again so thank you again, and have a nice day |
S McKellop
Dirty Old Bastards Nulli Secunda
11
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:47:00 -
[908] - Quote
OK, I like the new coat. Thank you.
Now, I actually wear the shirt because it matches my monocle.
Can we have the silver monocle that has been on the market but not available now, so that I can wear my cool coat and have a matching monocle??? |
Rikula
Opur
13
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Posted - 2012.08.09 04:18:00 -
[909] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote: Thank you for your help!
I assume if I was suppose to get three, but only received two, I can petition GM to receive the remaining new Field Marshall Coat?
I likewise did not receive what I was supposed to. I wonder if this was a miscalculation. I had some Ishukone's from before the mistake patch, which I have kept untouched. I also purchased two during the mistake patch deployment from some enterprising individual buying 100AU shirts and selling them to me for a few hundred. Those two new shirts I sold recently, but have kept the originals.
I am wondering if the system deducted those two I sold from my tally of how many Coats I am owed. And if that's the case, does this mean that someone else has been given my coats?
I have created a petition myself, but past petitions take 7+ days, so I don't expect to hear back for a while.
Edit: I am very pleased with the look of the coat and such. Definitely an acceptable replacement! |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
565
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:45:00 -
[910] - Quote
Rikula wrote:The Antiquarian wrote: Thank you for your help!
I assume if I was suppose to get three, but only received two, I can petition GM to receive the remaining new Field Marshall Coat?
I likewise did not receive what I was supposed to. I wonder if this was a miscalculation. I had some Ishukone's from before the mistake patch, which I have kept untouched. I also purchased two during the mistake patch deployment from some enterprising individual buying 100AU shirts and selling them to me for a few hundred. Those two new shirts I sold recently, but have kept the originals. I am wondering if the system deducted those two I sold from my tally of how many Coats I am owed. And if that's the case, does this mean that someone else has been given my coats? I have created a petition myself, but past petitions take 7+ days, so I don't expect to hear back for a while. Edit: I am very pleased with the look of the coat and such. Definitely an acceptable replacement!
And the description of the new Marshall Coat is amazing!
I filed for petition as well. Hopefully we get to hear soon. |
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CCP Bayesian
369
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:05:00 -
[911] - Quote
Yup, file petitions if you think you're missing something we did our best to make sure we had everyone covered:
CCP Navigator went over the eligibility criteria here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1690100#post1690100 EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Rikula
Opur
13
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:23:00 -
[912] - Quote
So just out of curiosity (since petitions take days!), would the explanation I gave above account for why I received fewer than I am owed? Because I sold two Ishukone shirts that I received after the patch? So I had 3, then I had 5 after the patch (2 new), and I sold the 2 new, leaving me with the 3 originals for which I am owed a coat (I never moved my original 3 from where I've been storing them).
Instead, I received 1 coat. Is it possible that your system took my selling of those two a couple of weeks ago as reducing me from 3 eligible coats to 1? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
565
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:38:00 -
[913] - Quote
Thank you, CCP Bayesian and CCP Navigator. |
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CCP Bayesian
370
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:39:00 -
[914] - Quote
Rikula wrote:So just out of curiosity (since petitions take days!), would the explanation I gave above account for why I received fewer than I am owed? Because I sold two Ishukone shirts that I received after the patch? So I had 3, then I had 5 after the patch (2 new), and I sold the 2 new, leaving me with the 3 originals for which I am owed a coat (I never moved my original 3 from where I've been storing them).
Instead, I received 1 coat. Is it possible that your system took my selling of those two a couple of weeks ago as reducing me from 3 eligible coats to 1?
Just going on what you've said and what CCP Navigator stated:
Quote:If I was a player who took up the PLEX offer, or multiple instances of the PLEX offer, and retained the original GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ, I will automatically receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ on all accounts that purchased it or will receive multiple coats if purchased over multiple accounts. Therefore, if I bought 3 x PLEX offer I will receive three GÇÿField Marshall CoatsGÇÖ
If I was a player who took up the PLEX offer and sold the GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ to Player B, Player B will receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ
If I was Player B who sold the shirt on again to Player c, Player C will receive the new GÇÿField Marshall CoatGÇÖ
And so on until the shirt is with the player who deserves to own it. The basis of this decision is that, if you sold your GÇÿIshukone shirtGÇÖ, then you cashed out and the player buying it has invested in that exclusivity instead.
My reading of that suggests you should get three coats. I'll prod CCP Navigator to make sure this what he meant and if it's just that these instructions haven't been passed fully to the person who setup the redeeming. EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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Rikula
Opur
13
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:44:00 -
[915] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:
My reading of that suggests you should get three coats. I'll prod CCP Navigator to make sure this what he meant and if it's just that these instructions haven't been passed fully to the person who setup the redeeming.
Thanks for prodding. I wait with bated breath :)
Also while you're here, I'm very excited about the ideas your team (if I have the right team) has for the avatar system. I realise a while off, but still promising! |
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CCP Bayesian
370
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Posted - 2012.08.09 10:09:00 -
[916] - Quote
Thanks! EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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CCP Bayesian
370
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:27:00 -
[917] - Quote
An update for you all. With the reported info above I went off and spoke to the people who setup the redeeming. We made a very slight booboo in the initial redeeming offer in that the people who were supposed to get more than one coat to replace their shirts have only been sent one. This was entirely my fault for not being explicit enough in the instructions of what we need to do.
*hangs head in shame*
Good news is that as I'm typing this we're sending the affected players a new redeeming token for their remaining coats if they've already claimed the first one. If you've not claimed the redeeming token yet then we've updated the existing token to provide the correct number of coats.
Apologies for the **** up you may now commence the flaming! EVE Software Engineer Team Avatar |
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
566
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:04:00 -
[918] - Quote
CCP Bayesian wrote:An update for you all. With the reported info above I went off and spoke to the people who setup the redeeming. We made a very slight booboo in the initial redeeming offer in that the people who were supposed to get more than one coat to replace their shirts have only been sent one. This was entirely my fault for not being explicit enough in the instructions of what we need to do.
*hangs head in shame*
Good news is that as I'm typing this we're sending the affected players a new redeeming token for their remaining coats if they've already claimed the first one. If you've not claimed the redeeming token yet then we've updated the existing token to provide the correct number of coats.
Apologies for the **** up you may now commence the flaming!
You are king among men. Thank you. |
Rikula
Opur
14
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Posted - 2012.08.09 22:48:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:CCP Bayesian wrote:
Apologies for the **** up you may now commence the flaming!
You are king among men. Thank you.
That's a terrible attempt at flaming!
I won't do much better though. Got my missing coats, so thanks! Petition cancelled. |
Jonas Xiamon
88
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Posted - 2012.08.10 22:09:00 -
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Satisfied customer, just so. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
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Manc
The Molden Heath Yacht Club
2
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:44:00 -
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You should make the Marshall coats un-buttonable so that you can see what the wearer has on underneath it's comfy folds. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
57
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:47:00 -
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Still havent recieved anything /me looks at my kind of obscured shirt Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2012.09.02 06:06:00 -
[923] - Quote
You are aware you still got the value of the PLEX, (whether used for game time or sold on the in-game market is irrelevent), for the value of that purchase price right?
Also, CCP isn't the first to do this, but the first to make ammends for it.
Dozens of games do this as a matter of course, and quite often, directly with what you paid for, rather than something you got as a free gift with that purchase.
I had it happen in another game less than 2 months ago when I bought an expansion and the developer released everything, (the content), in the in-game f2p store for less, within what appeared to be two weeks of the expansion release.
Mind you, the same didn't happen with some silly useless tripe item you got with it, but then that item was actually only usable on other players to their benefit and if you wanted the same benefit, you had to get another player to use one on you.
In all, considering each player could only benefit once per server with one character and each player who purchased the expansion could grant it 3-4 times per server, who do you think really benefited from it?
I'd have been less offended if I hadn't paid nearly 1.5 times what f2p players had it made available to them for, and anything compared to the VIP players getting it for free when it became f2p content after being released under the premise that it was a paid expansion. I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.09.02 06:36:00 -
[924] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:You are aware you still got the value of the PLEX, (whether used for game time or sold on the in-game market is irrelevent), for the value of that purchase price right?
Also, CCP isn't the first to do this, but the first to make ammends for it.
Dozens of games do this as a matter of course, and quite often, directly with what you paid for, rather than something you got as a free gift with that purchase.
I had it happen in another game less than 2 months ago when I bought an expansion and the developer released everything, (the content), in the in-game f2p store for less, within what appeared to be two weeks of the expansion release.
Mind you, the same didn't happen with some silly useless tripe item you got with it, but then that item was actually only usable on other players to their benefit and if you wanted the same benefit, you had to get another player to use one on you.
In all, considering each player could only benefit once per server with one character and each player who purchased the expansion could grant it 3-4 times per server, who do you think really benefited from it?
I'd have been less offended if I hadn't paid nearly 1.5 times what f2p players had it made available to them for, and anything compared to the VIP players getting it for free when it became f2p content after being released under the premise that it was a paid expansion.
And how is the player count of that game doing these days?
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alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
61
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Posted - 2012.09.02 07:58:00 -
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SO CCP "fixed" this...
We still have bugs the ui still sucks
But hey space idiot barbie here who paied massive RL money for some pixles got his tears fixed lawl.
How much fail... |
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