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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 18:40:25
Source: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/06/peace-talks-day-one.html
The Peace Talks - Day One The first day of the great Incarna Peace Talks is over. I will not attempt to go into incredibly great detail in this posting; I just want to give a broad overview and offer some impressions. To be honest, I'm exhausted and only have a few minutes before dinner.
I want to start by saying that everyone at CCP, and in particular CCP Zulu, was very open and frank about their opinions, and provided any information CSM requested. This was very useful.
In the morning, we discussed issues regarding the rollout of Incarna and the Captain's Quarters. Just about everything people have been *****ing about and then some was discussed in detail -- melting video cards, multiboxing, lighting, the death of ship spinning, just to name a few.
CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.
Then, after lunch, we spent over 3 hours discussing the Noble Exchange rollout and virtual goods pricing. This was a very passionate session, to say the least.
CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle.
There should be a devblog coming out in the very near future that explains CCP's strategy, puts things into context, and hopefully starts healing this self-inflicted wound. Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
The day ended with some work-in-progress demos of the other CQs and an establishment. Some nice work, and the Gallente CQ is the best CQ IMHO.
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?
End of quote.
UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:40:00 -
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TL;DR
CCP: It was all just a breakdown of communication: here's a dev blog for the plebs Trebor: Suffer, *****es.
Summary: Yawn.
I honestly don't see a point to the CSM. Way I understood it, it was about feeding info to CCP re: game changes so they could get **** done for us in expansions. Which always seemed to be carping on about obvious **** they never had any interest in addressing because - as we later found out - polished content etc etc etc.
Since then, what's the point? Are the CSM just cheaper than hiring a PR firm? Guess they are.
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Kunming
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:43:00 -
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Ship spinning
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:43:00 -
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Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 18:40:25
Source: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/06/peace-talks-day-one.html
The Peace Talks - Day One The first day of the great Incarna Peace Talks is over. I will not attempt to go into incredibly great detail in this posting; I just want to give a broad overview and offer some impressions. To be honest, I'm exhausted and only have a few minutes before dinner.
I want to start by saying that everyone at CCP, and in particular CCP Zulu, was very open and frank about their opinions, and provided any information CSM requested. This was very useful.
In the morning, we discussed issues regarding the rollout of Incarna and the Captain's Quarters. Just about everything people have been *****ing about and then some was discussed in detail -- melting video cards, multiboxing, lighting, the death of ship spinning, just to name a few.
CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.
Then, after lunch, we spent over 3 hours discussing the Noble Exchange rollout and virtual goods pricing. This was a very passionate session, to say the least.
CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle.
There should be a devblog coming out in the very near future that explains CCP's strategy, puts things into context, and hopefully starts healing this self-inflicted wound. Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
The day ended with some work-in-progress demos of the other CQs and an establishment. Some nice work, and the Gallente CQ is the best CQ IMHO.
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?
End of quote.
UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
Waste of time then. Nice
Originally by: McKinlay When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:46:00 -
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I suspect I will find much amusement as more posts are added to this thread and will follow it with great interest.
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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
Time to get those pitchforks back out.
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Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:49:00 -
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As long as you guys all keep calling it "gold ammo" CCP can weasel-word that to mean whatever they want.
Be precise, very precise.
Originally by: MadOverlord Suffer, *****es.
I LOLd
We're not upset that you lied to us CCP, we're upset that from now on we can't believe you.
/I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
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Jake Macleod
Caldari Loyal Order Of Bacchus Celestial Tribesmen
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:50:00 -
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Thanks for the update! It sounds like the talks went well, and you have made some progress.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:50:00 -
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LOL, and people wonder why Hilmar doesn't pay close attention to what is said on the forums anymore. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
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Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:53:00 -
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Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
This one is pure gold........
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Ceasefire grantet, but 1400`s are ready to open fire again 2nd July is my deadline
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Maken Cheese
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
For the love of god, WHY. What the hell is the problem with letting us choose between the old hangar or CQ? This doesn't make any sense, at all.
I really would like an answer from CCP as to why they refuse to include the old hangar.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Maken Cheese
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
For the love of god, WHY. What the hell is the problem with letting us choose between the old hangar or CQ? This doesn't make any sense, at all.
I really would like an answer from CCP as to why they refuse to include the old hangar.
If you can't figure out the answer, there is no help for you.
HINT: Not having Incarna WiS / CQ affects their NEX sales drive.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:56:00 -
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Wow, we gave you guys THAT much leverage and THIS is the best you can do? Pathetic.
Want to buy a monocle? |
Scortched Merc
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
That has to be the quote of the year!
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Nidda Schottajack
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:58:00 -
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I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.
Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.
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Zakua Corbin
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:58:00 -
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Not having a dock to hangar option is lame, I like CQ but I like hangar to. Just ruins the sense of urgency when u have to dock up from combat to grab some cap boosters and there's your lil toon, no goo, clean clothes, out of pod, then u hop right back into space....
ATLEAST give us a jog dial on the hologram inerface of our ship so we can spin the ship around from the balcony...
I'll live =) but I would love the option.
Oh and tell them to get ship paints on the NEX ASAP, I got lots of ships and money to spend...
Sorry, typos, in a hurry XOXOXO hahaaa
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:58:00 -
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Quote: Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle.
Will buy this just to mock raging idiots
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SilentSkills
Gallente Tax Evaders Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Alrione
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
Time to get those pitchforks back out.
The Monocle Definition The Epic Door Thread http://im |
OHU812
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: OHU812 on 30/06/2011 19:00:26
Because they know that most people who aren't interested ever using the CQ will most likely never buy the barbie doll items.
Thus effectively showing those people the door in which allows you to exit game. YOU WILL BUY MY BARBIE DOLL ITEMS and P2W bling bling or GET OUT! /just saying.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zakua Corbin Not having a dock to hangar option is lame, I like CQ but I like hangar to. Just ruins the sense of urgency when u have to dock up from combat to grab some cap boosters and there's your lil toon, no goo, clean clothes, out of pod, then u hop right back into space....
ATLEAST give us a jog dial on the hologram inerface of our ship so we can spin the ship around from the balcony...
I'll live =) but I would love the option.
Oh and tell them to get ship paints on the NEX ASAP, I got lots of ships and money to spend...
Sorry, typos, in a hurry XOXOXO hahaaa
Yeah, we want Ship pants on the NEX ASAP.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 30/06/2011 19:00:46 "Suffer *****es" was as far as i could read.
CCP, your CSM system is a ****ing joke. You invented it because you got caught cheating, and then when you got caught defrauding your customers you use them (CSM's) as a shield.
I have to say it reminds me very much of operation human shield in the Southpark movie.
Bravo CCP, you totally ****ing embody the stereotype of "evil corporation". I don't even hold as much contempt for Intel as I hold for you.
. Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mithrasith on 30/06/2011 19:01:00
Originally by: Boaz Hedion MerkavaI want to start by saying that everyone at CCP, and in particular CCP Zulu, was very open and frank about their opinions, and provided any information CSM requested. This was very useful.
CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.
Then, after lunch, we spent over 3 hours discussing the Noble Exchange rollout and virtual goods pricing. This was a very passionate session, to say the least.
CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle.
There should be a devblog coming out in the very near future that explains CCP's strategy, puts things into context, and hopefully starts healing this self-inflicted wound. Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.The day ended with some work-in-progress demos of the other CQs and an establishment. Some nice work, and the Gallente CQ is the best CQ IMHO.
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?
End of quote.
UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
And the spin control begins.
It seems to me there is more than enough spinning going on with CCP over this issue to more than make up for the changes to the hanger.
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Mixne
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nullity Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?
It takes a long time to say that while explaining how SP and BPCs of "platinum (not gold) items" will soon be available in the NEX.
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Havegun Willtravel
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:04:00 -
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CCP doesn't have to put ship spinning back in EVE.
But, the multitude of multi boxers who play EVE for trade or industry and don't undock often dont have to renew their acct's do they. Atm there seems to be a consensus that running multiple clients with cq is very difficult and looking at the door is annoying after even a short time.
GL with that.
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Pure Tabasco
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zakua Corbin Not having a dock to hangar option is lame, I like CQ but I like hangar to. Just ruins the sense of urgency when u have to dock up from combat to grab some cap boosters and there's your lil toon, no goo, clean clothes, out of pod, then u hop right back into space....
It should have been CQ entirely optional. I am still crossing fingers and hoping the old hangar view its coming back so the damm fck picture of the door gtfo. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Until CSM tells me a good change coming from CCP. |
Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:05:00 -
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Wow, all the people who criticize the CSM so much is starting to remind me of the new political ads that came out this month (a year and a half ahead of the 2012 US presidential election). Candidate A is evil because he/she raises taxes, Candidate B is out of touch because he/she is conservative, Candidate C is ignored because he is either a Mormon or not conservative enough, and Candidate D is completely forgotten because he/she is an independent.
Anything can be construed by the masses as nothing more than a PR stunt no matter upfront CCP decides to be with the CSM. That being said, at least be thankful that we players even have a representative voice that is directly elected by capsuleers.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:05:00 -
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Still watching. MTs aside, the other big issue was a lack of resources devoted to Eve itself. It's a golden goose for dust and WoD. If anyone from CSM is reading these threads some answers on this point would be great.
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Kimchii Suntzu
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:05:00 -
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<-----Has a crush on Mr E.
Originally by: Mr Epeen
I suspect I will find much amusement as more posts are added to this thread and will follow it with great interest.
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:05:00 -
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Yet another update with zero relevant content, and zero questions answered. Signature removed. Discussing warnings or bans in your signature is not permitted. |
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:05:00 -
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The one easy action they could take that would not only prevent the meltdown of video cards and satisfy a number of player requests (bringing back the old hangar view), is the one they refuse to do.
Typical, CCP.
I don't give a damn about the in-game bling. Forcing me to use the CQ will not make me buy any of that crap.
Independence Day = 5th of July. ----- There's nothing Noble about this Exchange! Money for pixels and pink ships for free.
Independence Day = 5th of July! |
Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:09:00 -
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Well, I can't blame the CSM, I really think they did their best. They'll continue tomorrow. Let's hope that their best ideas for tomorrow's approach will come when they are alone in their hotelroom. That's what usually happens.
But yeah, looking at that f'ing static door image is really annoying and CQ is not an option for more than 1 account.
(Having fun yet, Epeen? )
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Alrione
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
Time to get those pitchforks back out.
Yeah, it's a make or break issue for me unless there is a really huge technical issue with it.
It would be a statement that we're not being shown the door and
--- that if their new content isn't good enough to lure players by its goodness it's not good enough
--- inconveniencing players for the point of inconvenience to steer them towards possible MTs is a fundamental failure and really, the point why this all might be hopeless...
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Mervent
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mervent on 30/06/2011 19:12:32 I thought it would be a good time to break out this article again.
The CSM: A well thought out scam by CCP
His name was John Turbefield. |
Kellaen
Samurai Salvaging Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:12:00 -
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The reason that CQ will never be optional in the sense most of us want has already been stated. If you're not forced to look at spacebarbies with stupid hats and $1000 pants, then you have no motivation to partake in the activity and send them money yourself.
Looks like it's going to be another :riot: weekend, given the question anyone cares about is being held off for tomorrow, Friday, which is the best time to say things people don't want to hear. |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:13:00 -
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To all those lolhopefulls that expect the CQ to be dropped for their old hanger. Think again.
Incarna is the underpinnings of their Microtransaction strategy, if they make it optional, they would be giving the option to not have MT's in their face.
MT's are here to stay, as a revenue boost (and probably a big driver in features as we have seen) for CCP (notice I didn't say Eve).
Optional Incarna is NOT going to happen.
As for the overheating, they can reduce the details in renderings, they can also debug the game render loop, perhaps it is doing something too frequent or something extra it shouldn't. That is why they asked for the dxconfig dumps so they can try to reproduce the issues. it could be the pipelines on some chips that they havn't accounted for or something in their shader code.
But Incarna is NOT going to be OPTIONAL EVER.
NEX is the main driver for Eve now.
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Mater Dolorosa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:14:00 -
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I like your style : it reminds me of the 2 CCP Zulu last brilliant dev blogs...
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Dr Lebroi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nidda Schottajack I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.
Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.
My exact stance - bravo that man.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back.
Thats enough for me. No interest whatsoever in WIS or being forced to load the environment, I'm a spaceship not a ken doll. The last 7 years has been great fun and I'll miss a lot of people but the game is going where I do not wish to go. The last of my 8 accounts expires in 4 days.
bye. |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back.
Thats enough for me. No interest whatsoever in WIS or being forced to load the environment, I'm a spaceship not a ken doll. The last 7 years has been great fun and I'll miss a lot of people but the game is going where I do not wish to go. The last of my 8 accounts expires in 4 days.
bye.
You're thick to think that it would be optional in the firstplace.
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Cailais
Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:18:00 -
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It's worth taking into account here that Trebor's blog was written in the context of his recent tweets - i.e that no specific details would come out until the meetings were complete.
That's why its short on detail and a broad overview only.
C.
'GREED IS GOOD' - CCP 2011 (ಠ_O)
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Lebroi
Originally by: Nidda Schottajack I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.
Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.
I agree, .... not against the idea of optional mt's but that decisions are being made around them.
even with the non vanity items, if another form of boost on top of implants etc would have made sense to them to have in lp stores or seeded stations for isk(like books) then the idea might stand on its own .... but when the motiviation to introduce that sort of thing is extra $ the choices of what is and isn't good for the game are going to be different
My exact stance - bravo that man.
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edith prickley
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?
So in Hilmar's terms, does buying one of these count as "saying" or "doing"? Argh, my brain hurts. Monocle overlords, please educate me.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mixne
Originally by: Nullity Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?
It takes a long time to say that while explaining how SP and BPCs of "platinum (not gold) items" will soon be available in the NEX.
Correct.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: edith prickley
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?
So in Hilmar's terms, does buying one of these count as "saying" or "doing"? Argh, my brain hurts. Monocle overlords, please educate me.
Both, little peasant girl, both...
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Hohepa Marstolt
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Alrione
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
Time to get those pitchforks back out.
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Ramma Lamma DingDong
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:23:00 -
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Lol @ peace talks.
Calling them peace talks implies that both sides want a peaceful resolution.
One doesn't need to spend very much time on these forums to realize that is an impossibility.
CCP wants to make their game more accessible and the rabble want to keep their comfy status quo.
Somebody is going to be disappointed. Can you guess who?
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Ranita Drell
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ranita Drell on 30/06/2011 19:24:19
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
I was expecting CCP to concede at least this much, but apparently not.
This is CCP saying "We are willing to sacrifice immersion, usability and client performance to improve virtual goods sales. We could integrate the old and the new in a way that all players would appreciate, but we can probably squeeze more money out of them this way, so this is the way we've chosen."
CCP is clearly prioritizing virtual goods sales over improving or maintaining the quality of game experience for paying subscribers.
I hope the CSM really hammered this point home and voiced their displeasure with CCP's decision on this issue. CSM should regard this as CCP's strike two. (Strike 1 occurred before the Summit, with the Incarna launch itself, Fearless and their inadequate dev blogs.) It looks to me like CSM has rolled over on one of the two major issues the players have, and I don't understand why the most important issue was scheduled for Day 2.
I'll hold out final judgment until the summit is over and we can hear on the results directly from CCP and CSM themselves, but so far it's not looking good at all.
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:24:00 -
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Day 1 : No optional CQ, more forced Incarna and the NEX store is here to stay.
Yeah, nice waste of time. Didn't expect much anyway, so I'm still in the process of running out of time, then it's bye bye EVE.
Let's see how Day 2 turns into an excuse fest for having overpowered ammo, ships and others available for Aurum only. Can't wait. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:24:00 -
[50]
You can't beta-test Twilight Online while you are ship spinning. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
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Tatiana Valenko
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:25:00 -
[51]
Just sounds like the usual smoke and mirrors CCP put up as their defence for any critic.
CSM: Listen! We have several major concerns regard... CCP: Look at these new CQs from other races! CSM: Ooooohhhh..wait what were we talking about again?!..i dunno...
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:26:00 -
[52]
"Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back."
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:26:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Miilla
You're thick to think that it would be optional in the firstplace.
So I guess that makes us ALL thick for believing anything CCP has stated in the past, such as "no MT in EVE" and "fixes" coming Soon (tm).
All of which have been stated by CCP in the past (cba to search/link right now).
----- There's nothing Noble about this Exchange! Money for pixels and pink ships for free.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:28:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Palovana
Originally by: Miilla
You're thick to think that it would be optional in the firstplace.
So I guess that makes us ALL thick for believing anything CCP has stated in the past, such as "no MT in EVE" and "fixes" coming Soon (tm).
All of which have been stated by CCP in the past (cba to search/link right now).
Pretty much, Yes. Throughout all the releases, and all the PR, emails, newsletters, blogs not to mention all the people that said this was comming before it did. It has been VERY CLEARLY COMMUNICATED.
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raker
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:28:00 -
[55]
That's only Day one, The Csm has said that the main issue is being talked tommorow
So, lets keep the pitchforks at bay until the talks are over
I think CCP do realise that alot of chars are waiting to see the outcome of this meeting |
verde shrimp
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:29:00 -
[56]
Before this emergency CSM summit is over it would behoove CCP to strongly consider adding an option to board your ship in the hanger or default to ship spinning and have an exit to captain's quarters button.
Being forced into captain's quarters when docked is a very bad change and other than a number of new bugs introduced, the worst thing about incarna.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:31:00 -
[57]
Originally by: verde shrimp Before this emergency CSM summit is over it would behoove CCP to strongly consider adding an option to board your ship in the hanger or default to ship spinning and have an exit to captain's quarters button.
Being forced into captain's quarters when docked is a very bad change and other than a number of new bugs introduced, the worst thing about incarna.
Yet more clueless wonders keep posting the same drivel about "optional" Incarna.
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:32:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Mithrasith on 30/06/2011 19:32:34
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back.
Thats enough for me. No interest whatsoever in WIS or being forced to load the environment, I'm a spaceship not a ken doll. The last 7 years has been great fun and I'll miss a lot of people but the game is going where I do not wish to go. The last of my 8 accounts expires in 4 days.
bye.
You're thick to think that it would be optional in the firstplace.
while I agree Miilla that to many of us its obvious the direction this has taken (forced CQ in order to produce MT) I think its also safe to say that the way Incarna was presented for the first few years was certainly that it was optional. So no, I dont agree with you that people are "thick" if they didnt conclude based on the past couple of week of events that CQ would be mandatory.
I do believe however that many of the players havent fully grasped yet that this is the first time that CCP has openly displayed such a disgregard (and even disrespect)for the player base, and if successful, will only increase
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:32:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Palovana
Originally by: Miilla
You're thick to think that it would be optional in the firstplace.
So I guess that makes us ALL thick for believing anything CCP has stated in the past, such as "no MT in EVE" and "fixes" coming Soon (tm).
All of which have been stated by CCP in the past (cba to search/link right now).
Pretty much, Yes. Throughout all the releases, and all the PR, emails, newsletters, blogs not to mention all the people that said this was comming before it did. It has been VERY CLEARLY COMMUNICATED.
Adding more colored text with no substance for attention
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:32:00 -
[60]
I'm looking forward to read the full minutes.
ÇÇP stole my heart, damn you
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Terrante
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:33:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Terrante on 30/06/2011 19:35:47
Originally by: Portmanteau "Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back."
Who knows:
Quote: @TheMittani The Mittani @MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv
EDIT: Source: http://twitter.com/#!/themittani
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:34:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 19:37:52 Another something I found, also updated the original (first) post of this thread to add this:
Originally by: @TheMittani @MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv
(Terrante - we posted at roughly the same time :) I'll add that source to the first post)
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Zen Sins
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:34:00 -
[63]
I predict that tomorrow the CSM will learn that CCP plans on introducing performance-enhancing goods in NeX, or, at the very least, that it will NOT be taken off the table as an option for them...only to be implemented if it's "needed".
If it wasn't bad news, it wouldn't have been scheduled for after all the trivial garbage like ship spinning.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:34:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Mithrasith
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back.
Thats enough for me. No interest whatsoever in WIS or being forced to load the environment, I'm a spaceship not a ken doll. The last 7 years has been great fun and I'll miss a lot of people but the game is going where I do not wish to go. The last of my 8 accounts expires in 4 days.
bye.
You're thick to think that it would be optional in the firstplace.
while I agree Miilla that to many of us its obvious the direction this has taken (forced CQ in order to produce MT) I think its also safe to say that the way Incarna was presented for the first few years was certainly that it was optional. So no, I dont agree with you that people are "thick" if they didnt conclude based on the past couple of week of events that CQ would be optional.
I do believe however that many of the players havent fully grasped yet that this is the first time that CCP has openly displayed such a disgregard (and even disrespect)for the player base, and if successful, will only increase
I belive they are thick at this stage to still post the same drivel about "optional" Incarna.
The business decision has been made, CSM stated that it was a "communication breakdown" that caused all you hopefulls to keep posting your drivel about "optional" Incarna.
That communication is being cleared up now, I think they are going to use sock puppets (CSM) to present it in easy bite sizes (baby spoons) for your consumption.
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Novak Sarin
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:34:00 -
[65]
For the sake of clarity, can we please ELIMINATE "gold ammo" from the vocabulary completely?
The fact that one person said it does not make it "aka".
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:36:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Novak Sarin For the sake of clarity, can we please ELIMINATE "gold ammo" from the vocabulary completely?
The fact that one person said it does not make it "aka".
Yes that is being cleared up on DAY TWO. DAY TWO is where they focus on deciding the actual COLOUR of the ammo.
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Attaia
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:36:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Attaia on 30/06/2011 19:36:37
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava This is CCP saying "We are willing to sacrifice immersion, usability and client performance to improve virtual goods sales. We could integrate the old and the new in a way that all players would appreciate, but we can probably squeeze more money out of them this way, so this is the way we've chosen."
CCP is clearly prioritizing virtual goods sales over improving or maintaining the quality of game experience for paying subscribers.
+1. This is not fu**ing barbie online. Forcing me to load bloated, buggy enviroment when I just want to get more ammo is a game breaking "feature" for me, at this point I add myself to the "subscription cancelled" crowd. Fu** you, CCP a**holes.
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Psychlo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:36:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Kellaen The reason that CQ will never be optional in the sense most of us want has already been stated. If you're not forced to look at spacebarbies with stupid hats and $1000 pants, then you have no motivation to partake in the activity and send them money yourself.
Looks like it's going to be another :riot: weekend, given the question anyone cares about is being held off for tomorrow, Friday, which is the best time to say things people don't want to hear.
It will be a quite weekend either way. Either they report things that make the customer base happy and we can live with in which we resume enjoying
or
We leave the game to the barbies.
Either way. . .quite weekend.
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Mixne
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:38:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: verde shrimp Before this emergency CSM summit is over it would behoove CCP to strongly consider adding an option to board your ship in the hanger or default to ship spinning and have an exit to captain's quarters button.
Being forced into captain's quarters when docked is a very bad change and other than a number of new bugs introduced, the worst thing about incarna.
Yet more clueless wonders keep posting the same drivel about "optional" Incarna.
The world has a lot of naive idealists, particularly in younger age brackets (which tend to comprise a large portion of video game player bases). I understand what you're saying completely. CCP is a business, EVE is a product. EVE will be made to generate the maximum revenue and they will likely want to make it fun too, so people keep playing and spending.
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RavenNyx
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:41:00 -
[70]
The ultimate "F you" CCP could do right now, would be to make ship-spinning available in the NEX-store :)
Also, quoting myself in a CSM-delegate thread:
Originally by: RavenNyx So, MT is here to stay...
@ the entire CSM: You just lost EvE... Did you even rip CCP a new one for introducing MT, after having lied about it? How can any form of explanation of the MT make me feel less butthurt, when I _KNOW_ CCP thinks of me as a money-maker, and tries to squeeze me for even more cash (they even wrote that in clear text "somewhere")? CCP F'ed up - BIG TIME. _CCP_ needs to make amends. The players, through the CSM needs to admit or accept nothing what-so-ever. Please, members of the CSM; let CCP know that THEY are the ones who need to listen, not you. We, the players/customers, have promised nothing, and will never promise anything - that's not how a business-relationship like this works. You are there to demand stuff on behalf of the players. You need to let CCP know that the customers will stop paying if they don't get their act together. THAT'S why you are there, CSM-delegates, atleast if you feel you are representing THIS player.
CCP is lying, being condecending and viewing the players of New Eden as their subjects, not the *customers* who actually pays their bills... How can anything short of an immediate removal of MTs all together and a sincere apology make me feel LESS butthurt?
I don't wanna' hear about diplomacy, or politics. I don't wanna' read about "agreements". I want a HUGE apology from the CEO of CCP, and legally binding contract written in blood (or some video with Hilmar himself that can be downloaded/saved in some way), that any micro/macro-transactions in EvE Online, will NOT go beyond vanity-items, EVER. I want a copy of AEON-magazine with an apology, so CCP feels less inclined to run away from their promises. And even then I will view anything with a CCP logo on it with sceptisism for a long time to come. How can I do anything else?
Source
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:41:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Psychlo
Originally by: Kellaen The reason that CQ will never be optional in the sense most of us want has already been stated. If you're not forced to look at spacebarbies with stupid hats and $1000 pants, then you have no motivation to partake in the activity and send them money yourself.
Looks like it's going to be another :riot: weekend, given the question anyone cares about is being held off for tomorrow, Friday, which is the best time to say things people don't want to hear.
It will be a quite weekend either way. Either they report things that make the customer base happy and we can live with in which we resume enjoying
or
We leave the game to the barbies.
Either way. . .quite weekend.
I doubt that, If they come out with the wrong answers I think it could quite a riotous few day as ppl run down their remaining time
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Tetragammatron Prime
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:41:00 -
[72]
Sometimes it seems we would get better results from send some monkeys over there on a plane and they can just finger their butholes and jack off on the table.
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Buck Plimpton
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:43:00 -
[73]
Sounds like more subs will be let out to pasture lands. I hope they can come up with something of an agreement but it isn't really likely. The loss forever of ship spinning is a bigger issue than they realize it seems, I for one turned off CQ 5 minutes after it was online. Fingers crossed on a successful talk process!
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:43:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Tetragammatron Prime Sometimes it seems we would get better results from send some monkeys over there on a plane and they can just finger their butholes and jack off on the table.
I was eating. Thanks.
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:43:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
Huge LOL, I call BS on that one.
The bottom line, they want to sell stuff and they felt many would not use CQ so they forced it down our throats. They mask this intent by telling us it needs to be one universe or a "seamless" experience, PR spin. See, if your not staring at your avatar every time you dock you can't make that emotional connection and thus not want to buy $60 monocles. Destroying the old hanger and replacing it with CQ was a pure business move and not one born out of technical issues, perhaps this is why CSM is getting this answer well after the fact.
A CSM member might want to understand why that hanger view was removed without consulting them for feedback.
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Cydori
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:44:00 -
[76]
Originally by: CSM Trebor The Peace Talks - Day One
The first day of the great Incarna Peace Talks is over. I will not attempt to go into incredibly great detail in this posting; I just want to give a broad overview and offer some impressions. To be honest, I'm exhausted and only have a few minutes before dinner.
I want to start by saying that everyone at CCP, and in particular CCP Zulu, was very open and frank about their opinions, and provided any information CSM requested. This was very useful.
In the morning, we discussed issues regarding the rollout of Incarna and the Captain's Quarters. Just about everything people have been *****ing about and then some was discussed in detail -- melting video cards, multiboxing, lighting, the death of ship spinning, just to name a few.
CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.
Then, after lunch, we spent over 3 hours discussing the Noble Exchange rollout and virtual goods pricing. This was a very passionate session, to say the least.
CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle.
There should be a devblog coming out in the very near future that explains CCP's strategy, puts things into context, and hopefully starts healing this self-inflicted wound. Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
The day ended with some work-in-progress demos of the other CQs and an establishment. Some nice work, and the Gallente CQ is the best CQ IMHO.
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle. Is CCP fearless enough to do it?
End of quote.
Translation: "Everything is just fine and it was all a big misunderstanding. We made lot of progress and heard all sorts of positive information, which, of course, we can't share with you. But trust us, everything is great!"
I hope the CSM is being paid well for their services as PR mouthpiece. What a complete joke EVE has become.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:45:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Buck Plimpton Sounds like more subs will be let out to pasture lands. I hope they can come up with something of an agreement but it isn't really likely. The loss forever of ship spinning is a bigger issue than they realize it seems, I for one turned off CQ 5 minutes after it was online. Fingers crossed on a successful talk process!
By agreement, you mean how to "agree" a "Press Release" then yes, the CSM will proof read CCP's new blog, and then CCP will ignore their annotations and publish it anyway.
Agreement is easy.
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Mixne
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:46:00 -
[78]
Originally by: RavenNyx The ultimate "F you" CCP could do right now, would be to make ship-spinning available in the NEX-store :)
That would be AWESOME! It should also cost 12-24 PLEX.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:46:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Tetragammatron Prime Sometimes it seems we would get better results from send some monkeys over there on a plane and they can just finger their butholes and jack off on the table.
I was under the impression that is what we are doing. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:48:00 -
[80]
Quote: CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle.
You are now the sixth CSM who keep having to explain how these communications breakdowns keep happening again and again and again and again. And every time we can read how incredibly smart, nice and caring the CCP people are.
I think as soon as you leave these nice and insightful people are put back into some locked room in the basement and the CCP we all know and love comes out, full of fail and contempt for their customers.
Is there any hope at all of CCP being just a little bit less imcompetent without the CSM holding their hands ?
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:49:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Cydori I hope the CSM is being paid well for their services as PR mouthpiece. What a complete joke EVE has become.
Free round trip to Iceland.
Or at least a free one-way trip to Iceland. They only get paid the return trip if they fall into line like good little sheep, otherwise it's off to the pumice mines for them. ----- There's nothing Noble about this Exchange! Money for pixels and pink ships for free.
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Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:50:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
A whole day to discuss this? Looks like the answer to "Will there be game changing items available for sale as an MT" is Yes. ===== 100th level Black Liquorice Belt exponent in that great Lancastrian Martial Art of Eckythump.
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Chris Fierce
Caldari NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:50:00 -
[83]
So nothing important talked about then, like broken game mechanics and half assed expansions.
Enjoy your holidays. ---------------------------
I gashmoygadied her gaflavity with my googus. |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:52:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Ilene D'over
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
A whole day to discuss this? Looks like the answer to "Will there be game changing items available for sale as an MT" is Yes.
Yes, getting an agreement on COLOUR is so hard. They have to get the PANTONE colour cards out, run outside to see the natural colour and not the flourescant effect or blueing effect.
It is like choosing a dress in a store, you have to see it in outside light first.
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Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:52:00 -
[85]
If we block the trade hubs again for lets say more than a week, CCP needs to take direct action....Right now they have the entire world looking werry interestet uto how they will deal with this.
If just 50% of the numbers we had at the first round shows up, we would be able to criple the game to a point where prolonged actions needs to be countered.
I realy dont think CCP can afford more bad publicity, they need this situation solved, and the only way is to compremise, thats why we have the CSM there, thats why i support the CSM.
Let them eat, let the CSM spend abit time alone, they have been sitting to meetings the entire day, its first now they might get a chanse to speak amongs them selfs with out anyone from CCP are at there side......thats why we wait, thats why there is a deadline, to give the CSM time, to make sure THEY are unitet....
Azz
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coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:54:00 -
[86]
i dont think people mind the nex shop.. it comes down to the most basic question and its one that even the CSM didnt even have to fly to iceland for..
here is comes
WILL THERE BE ANYTHING ELSE THEN VANITY ITEMS BE SOLD IN THE SHOP [ YES ] or [ NO ]
for me its simple, if they are planning to sell stuff give boost, ammo, ship, (in short P2W) then ill quit playing(1 account already unsubbed and one running out, i used a GTC before this mess started.)
i like the CQ, i will love the walking in station, i can live with the NEX shop with vanity item(cuz i dont have to use it i dont care for 1000$ pants.) but i wont stand for P2W |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:54:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Azztoroid If we block the trade hubs again for lets say more than a week, CCP needs to take direct action....Right now they have the entire world looking werry interestet uto how they will deal with this.
If just 50% of the numbers we had at the first round shows up, we would be able to criple the game to a point where prolonged actions needs to be countered.
I realy dont think CCP can afford more bad publicity, they need this situation solved, and the only way is to compremise, thats why we have the CSM there, thats why i support the CSM.
Let them eat, let the CSM spend abit time alone, they have been sitting to meetings the entire day, its first now they might get a chanse to speak amongs them selfs with out anyone from CCP are at there side......thats why we wait, thats why there is a deadline, to give the CSM time, to make sure THEY are unitet....
Azz
Nobody cares, until you start GANKING FREIGHTERS NON STOP IN AND OUT OF JITA.
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Mixne
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:54:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Ilene D'over
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
A whole day to discuss this? Looks like the answer to "Will there be game changing items available for sale as an MT" is Yes.
Yes, getting an agreement on COLOUR is so hard. They have to get the PANTONE colour cards out, run outside to see the natural colour and not the flourescant effect or blueing effect.
It is like choosing a dress in a store, you have to see it in outside light first.
It would have been much easier if they could have just used the 'gold' they had originally planned on, but no... no one wanted GOLD.
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alexreborn
Invicta. Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:54:00 -
[89]
Wait... Why is this called peace talks?
Sorry if CCP is taking an "us vs. them" approach to this, not a VERY GOOD way for customer service.
Remember, we are customers. CCP provides a service to us. They are in the customer service industry whether they like it or not. If they want a war with their customers... THEY WONT HAVE ANY.
LOL.
Seriously CCP, you can hire me for your marketing if you like.
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octahexx Charante
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:55:00 -
[90]
well basicly we just wait until tomorrow i dont have high hopes though but i will give it a shot before i uninstall the client for good and stop reading the forums . one more day is not much considering the time we waited for a simple answer they cant bull**** it no matter how much they spin it unless your a ******.
i like the monkey idea though.
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Green Gloy
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:56:00 -
[91]
If CCP don't relent on optional CQ/hangar view it would be a real dissapointment.
I don't actually have a problem with CQ itself, in fact I can see the sort immersive opportunities CCP are hoping to introduce long term, and no I don't buy the MT conspiracy, but hey that's my opinion
However I do have a real practical issue with having to dock into CQ every time, and that's the load time. Maybe it's my PC or connection, but the docking time has gone from pre incarna 10 seconds to CQ 35-40 seconds.
Which as a trader frequenting multiple stations is a real pain, quickly prompting me to disable CQ as the only solution.
I really don't see the problem with a choose default CQ or hangar and a button to board/leave ship, IMHO it would also add to the immersive feeling of being aboard a station.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mixne
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Ilene D'over
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
A whole day to discuss this? Looks like the answer to "Will there be game changing items available for sale as an MT" is Yes.
Yes, getting an agreement on COLOUR is so hard. They have to get the PANTONE colour cards out, run outside to see the natural colour and not the flourescant effect or blueing effect.
It is like choosing a dress in a store, you have to see it in outside light first.
It would have been much easier if they could have just used the 'gold' they had originally planned on, but no... no one wanted GOLD.
CCP cannot afford GOLD, didn't you see their financials?
We could have BRASS, I don't mind brass, it looks like GOLD.
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:56:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 19:39:54 Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 18:50:19
Source: http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/06/peace-talks-day-one.html
CCP started this meeting by saying something incredibly smart. It gave me hope that the entire summit would be a success, but you will have to wait to find out what it was. Suffer, *****es.
Are they going to actually assign a substantial number of devs to work on in space features of eve?
Because if not we will know to expect more worthless expansions.
Best news would be that instead of the 70 devs working on incarna-transactions and 22 on in space eve they will have 70 on in space eve and 22 on incarna-transactions.
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General Xenophon
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: General Xenophon on 30/06/2011 19:59:04 So what was actually accomplished today besides the wet-hands greet and ass kissing?
Also what's with CCP being so adamantly against the option of station spinning when players have clearly stated they liked it and want it back?
Why not have the option for 'old station' look and 'new station' look? It can't be THAT hard to implement both - but for CCP, apparently yes.
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Starkiller Adams
Gallente Interwebs Cooter Explosion Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Starkiller Adams on 30/06/2011 20:00:39 This doesnt answer the following questions
1)what do the women in iceland look like 2)will CCP be releasing the "Im sorry we are **** ups" Expansion 3)does santa live there? 4)That whole no game affecting vanity items crap 5How **** show drunk they are getting tonight
im sure the is alot of nondisclosure crap at work here also
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Atreus Venom
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nidda Schottajack I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.
Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.
HOLY **** THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO THINK THATS WHAT IT IS ABOUT!!!! ok something is wrong in communication...... is there a language u guys can read easier?
º--Atreus--º
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Imryn Xaran
Caldari Coherent Light Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Imryn Xaran on 30/06/2011 19:58:45 Why did you spend even one single minute discussing the pricing of virtual goods? Nobody gives a rats ass how much they charge for stuff, it is the range of goods that we care about.
The only people who seem to think the pricing is an issue is CCP. Classic example of "If you don't want to answer the question you have been asked, answer a different question". Every politician in the world knows how to do that one, and if you let CCP do it to you then you should be ashamed of yourselves.
The question that CCP has to provide a clear and unequivocal answer to is "Will you ever sell Non vanity items"
If you don't get an answer to that question you have wasted your trip.
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Exordium8
Minmatar Operational Detachment-Alpha The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Exordium8 on 30/06/2011 19:58:49
Originally by: Atreus Venom
Originally by: Nidda Schottajack I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.
Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.
HOLY **** THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO THINK THATS WHAT IT IS ABOUT!!!! ok something is wrong in communication...... is there a language u guys can read easier?
So... what is it about?
Cause I'm pretty sure you have no idea what the issue is. --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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Ordais
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:59:00 -
[99]
OMG...if you really believe them that it was just "unfortunate coincidence" that they behaved as they did, you are just...so way off.
Common, don't go soft the first day already.
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Kidara Malfasian
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:00:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Henry Haphorn Wow, all the people who criticize the CSM so much is starting to remind me of the new political ads that came out this month (a year and a half ahead of the 2012 US presidential election). Candidate A is evil because he/she raises taxes, Candidate B is out of touch because he/she is conservative, Candidate C is ignored because he is either a Mormon or not conservative enough, and Candidate D is completely forgotten because he/she is an independent.
Anything can be construed by the masses as nothing more than a PR stunt no matter upfront CCP decides to be with the CSM. That being said, at least be thankful that we players even have a representative voice that is directly elected by capsuleers.
Agreed. People are ridiculous.
A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.--Simon and Garfunkel
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Evar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:00:00 -
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Well heading back to Jita and firing up my Rainbow equipped APOC, why won't that monument crack... |
coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:01:00 -
[102]
Edited by: coolzero on 30/06/2011 20:02:56 maby this will help(tho it could be bad translated by google)
mun ¦a= vera nokku= anna= selt ¦ß hTg=ma atri=i f NEX b·= Jß e=a Nei |
Ghazi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:02:00 -
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tyvm, you just wasted a few minutes of my life.
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Frau JeanYus
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:02:00 -
[104]
Don't care about NeX, don't care, but kinda like CQ.
What do I really care about? FIXING EVE. All the post's/entries from csm minutes for the last 2 YEARS!
So many tweaks - upgrades - leveling / balancing in EVE, not Dust/WoD, are needed. WHEN? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
OK, I feel better nao.
Good Luck - WE'RE gonna need it.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:03:00 -
[105]
All 4 of my accounts were unsubbed today. Unfortuantly, I was on 6 month billing, so I have anywhere from 2 months to 5 months before the economic impact is actually felt by CCP. Well, at least that gives me time to distribute my billions of ISK worth of assets to friends.
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:04:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Starkiller Adams Edited by: Starkiller Adams on 30/06/2011 20:00:39 This doesnt answer the following questions
1)what do the women in iceland look like 2)will CCP be releasing the "Im sorry we are **** ups" Expansion 3)does santa live there? 4)That whole no game affecting vanity items crap 5How **** show drunk they are getting tonight
im sure the is alot of nondisclosure crap at work here also
1. Find a picture of Bj°rk for an example. 2. No. 3. Santa lives in Finland, not Iceland. 4. CCP will do what CCP is planning on doing, regardless of what they tell us. They will lie or tell the truth but we can not believe them anyway. 5. They were probably drunk by 12:00 already. ----- There's nothing Noble about this Exchange! Money for pixels and pink ships for free.
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KrustyKrab
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:05:00 -
[107]
put 10,000 monkeys in a room and eventually they'll come to an agreement with CCP. They'll probably write Shakespeare though before they accomplish anything we are looking for. 10,000 monkeys still has a better chance than anything the CSM can accomplish. Stuff goes here |
Viibl Triibl
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Viibl Triibl on 30/06/2011 20:07:27 Edited by: Viibl Triibl on 30/06/2011 20:06:36
Posting this again because it needs traction, and it needs your support if CCP is to get the message that there is a better way.
This is a model that allows for performance-enhancing microtransactions, adds new content at a faster pace and keeps the player economy intact. Bump it, repost it and advocate for it as one of only a few reasonable solutions to this impasse.
I've worked through and adapted a system similar to kickstarter.com for Eve Online. For the sake of this write-up, we'll call it the Eve Project Incubator (EPI).
Overview of EPI workflow:
- CCP creates a project proposal with sketches, early renders and statistical information on a new item for Eve
- This project proposal includes a target investment goal in order for the work to be executed in full and integrated into the game
- Players use aurum (purchased with dollars and PLEX) to contribute to the proposed project. For each proposal, a reward structure is created for donors, awarding them one of the proposed items based on amount donated. (Note: Since aurum is 100% managed by CCP, it's only officially deducted when a project reaches its goal, and donations can be retracted by players at any time prior to the project closing.)
- Once the project reaches its donation goal, the work is executed/completed and integrated into the game in the form of blueprints. Complete items are given to the donors who met contribution requirements at the same time the BPs are seeded.
Example projects (using estimated aurum amounts based on exchange rate):
Cowboy hat
- Investment goal: 200,000 aurum
- Free cowboy hat given to donors at 900 aurum, 1800 and 3600 aurum (max three)
- Cost in-game: 90,000,000 ISK
Unique EoM Frigate
- Investment goal: 2,000,000 aurum
- Free frigate given to donors at 1500, 3000 and 4500 aurum
- Cost in-game: 100,000,000 ISK
Benefits:
- Players can vote for content they want by donating (dollars or PLEX as aurum) to the projects that interest them most, and they receive something for their donations
- All items can still be made by players and purchasable by all for ISK
- CCP can get compensated for additional content they add outside of expansions. They set the donation goals based on what is profitable for them.
Down the road, CCP might release a content development kit to allow players to create the content for a % cut of the cost (paid out in dollars, aurum or ISK). This further enhances the content stream and increases CCP profit margin.
Additional implications:
[list]Players do get a chance to purchase items outside of the normal Eve economy as part of the reward mechanic for donating. This is a temporary and limited opportunity, and is counter-balanced by the fact that these players are bankrolling new content for everyone else to buy with ISK. Since many of the items are destructible (ships) or have usage caps (paint cans), those players will have to buy from other players if they want the same items later.
There will be a delay between the time that players "donate" and the time that they receive the reward items. This delay is less appealing than "pay now get it now" gratification as found in other schemes, but donating aurum does net you first dibs on the items when they are introduced as you don't have to wait for someone to product them in-game.
A potential tweak is to allow players to donate beyond the project goal, allowing players who may not have donated in time to still purchase the items in question with aurum up until the items are officially introduced into the game, at which point the only way to buy is ISK. This adds revenue for CCP. Note that the donating players do not receive their rewards until the item is in the game, so, in theory, it offers no appreciable head start on non-aurum-spending players.
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derivativo
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Chandaris Yet another update with zero relevant content, and zero questions answered.
+1
I wonder where all that "awesomeness" they believe being creating will ever get into the hearts of players. So far we just have "bread and circuses".
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Kale Anderson
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:06:00 -
[110]
i still have no idea why they couldn't keep the old station view.
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RavenNyx
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:08:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Kidara Malfasian
Agreed. People are ridiculous.
A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.--Simon and Garfunkel
The oppositions job, in any kind of democracy, is to....? Yes? Oppose? Really? And if you take the current issue of CCP vs. the players, who do you think would play the descisionmakers, and who would be the opposition?
*Insert random cheesy quote from 30-year+ old songs here.*
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Saving Face
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:08:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Kale Anderson i still have no idea why they couldn't keep the old station view.
Obviously they need to force people to use CQ so they can see the clothes they are supposed to buy.
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Gordon McClaine
Caldari Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:14:00 -
[113]
Zero information, just like I expected.
CCP: let's throw the CSM a jolly that will keep the masses quiet.
Why bother to re-sub?
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BombDigity
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:15:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: Kale Anderson i still have no idea why they couldn't keep the old station view.
Obviously they need to force people to use CQ so they can see the clothes they are supposed to buy.
There are not words to describe the loss of the old hangar to be replaced with space barbie
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:20:00 -
[115]
Such idiots. Who frames it as 'Peace Talks'? This is CCP on trial. The sentencing phase.
Even 'Cripple Fight' makes more sense than 'Peace Talks'.
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Theocrates
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Azztoroid If we block the trade hubs again for lets say more than a week, CCP needs to take direct action....Right now they have the entire world looking werry interestet uto how they will deal with this.
If just 50% of the numbers we had at the first round shows up, we would be able to criple the game to a point where prolonged actions needs to be countered.
I realy dont think CCP can afford more bad publicity, they need this situation solved, and the only way is to compremise, thats why we have the CSM there, thats why i support the CSM.
Let them eat, let the CSM spend abit time alone, they have been sitting to meetings the entire day, its first now they might get a chanse to speak amongs them selfs with out anyone from CCP are at there side......thats why we wait, thats why there is a deadline, to give the CSM time, to make sure THEY are unitet....
Azz
It's a PvP game, knock yourselves out. Blow up all of Jita everyday till your subs run out. Eventually you will all be gone. Resub to continue and the players will just adapt and trade elsewhere. Who knows this might help bring a few more traders into the game with a rise in prices. THe only ones that hurts are your fellow PvP'ers. Meh, I'm sure they'll be overjoyed to take one for the team.
***By coffee alone I set my mind in motion, by the beans of Java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.*** |
Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tetragammatron Prime Sometimes it seems we would get better results from send some monkeys over there on a plane and they can just finger their butholes and jack off on the table.
I THOUGHT WE HAD
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:27:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane
Originally by: Tetragammatron Prime Sometimes it seems we would get better results from send some monkeys over there on a plane and they can just finger their butholes and jack off on the table.
I THOUGHT WE HAD
That made me laugh in real life. Nice one.
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Gryvern Otomeya
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:27:00 -
[119]
I would say that if there ever was a time to "go into incredibly great detail", then this would be it. It's starting to sound like a prelude to another cop-out.
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Dimension Secretary
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:29:00 -
[120]
No spinning ships ever again??
I think Incarna is for them to just show rest of industry how cool they are. Is like you buy a porsche not because you can drive it really, because you have arthritis and a speed limit, but to show that you have the biggest *male member* of all (at least makes you think that :P). How can the players dare then to switch back to such an uncool view :P
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Clavian Voi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:34:00 -
[121]
Ah, another round of "Everything-is-just-fine-it-was-all-a-big-misunderstanding." Just what we all expected from the Council of Stellar Worthlessness.
Now off to the pub to share drinks with the devs and some hot and spicy bromance. CSM, you are so rubbish.
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ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS on 30/06/2011 20:35:05 @CSM... Simple @ss question to ask... Why did u take away a functional part of the game (hangar) that no one ever complained about for some glitchy, non functional BS? Why the **** do I get a god damned door if I opt out of incarna?
If you don't get that answered ALL of you are failures!!!!
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:34:00 -
[123]
If anyone wants to buy items from a trade hub in the next few days, i suggest you do it tomorrow.
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Hohepa Marstolt
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:36:00 -
[124]
Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS Edited by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS on 30/06/2011 20:35:05 @CSM... Simple @ss question to ask... Why did u take away a functional part of the game (hangar) that no one ever complained about for some glitchy, non functional BS? Why the **** do I get a god damned door if I opt out of incarna?
If you don't get that answered ALL of you are failures!!!!
this
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Daxel Magmalloy
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:36:00 -
[125]
Bringing back the hangar would make a huge difference to a lot of people. CQ is terrible but later on a disembark button would make walking in stations optional and therefore more appealing rather than CCP blatantly doing their best to force you to do it.
Why on Earth can the hangar not be returned. It was a good interface for ship stuff and THE DOOR is a bloody joke. Seriously, how is all this not obvious.
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:37:00 -
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YOU WANT TO HURT CCP ? GO TO JITA AMARR AND ANY OTHER TRADE HUB.
BLOCK IT CLOSE THE STAR GATES.
WHEN TRAFFIC BUILDS UP OUT SIDE THE SYSTEM.
TAKE AS BS LOADED WITH SMARTIES AND BANG.
OVERWHELM THEM WITH PETITIONS.
IF YOUR GOING TO DO IT DO IT BIG
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Don Aubaris
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:38:00 -
[127]
So to sum up your day :
* pricing in the store is reasonable. We just don't yet understand it. (personally I don't care since I never intend to buy something there) * we are stuck with the unhandy CQ and have lost the very efficient hangar view.
CCP : 2 PLayers : 0
* The main question about Non-vanity items is for tomorrow. Right. Looking at todays results I'm sure that's gonna go well.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:39:00 -
[128]
Mittens is clueless. "I don't get the impression that Zulu is anyone's tool. I walked out of May with a very +++Zulu feel, still have that."
Reminds me of Dubya and Putin. "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthyà.I was able to get a sense of his soul."
More from the clueless chairman Mao: "I think many of the controversies can be resolved with more clear comms from CCP."
Uh, no Dillweed. It was clear comms from CCP that thankfully brought all this to a head. What CCP is desperately trying to achieve and CSM is trying to enable is a return to less clear comms from CCP. If CCP ever had truly 'clear comms', they'd have a few dozen customers left, at best.
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Centaur Centurion
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:39:00 -
[129]
Honestly rather disapointing summary :-/
In fact they do their PR work and you pass it along to us and so far nothing new or interessting :-/
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:40:00 -
[130]
TheMittani The Mittani "Anyway, I don't think EVE is going to blow up but there needs to be some serious 'apology school' action from the company to the players."
IMO they can hold the BS apology.
There needs to be some serious devs assigned to the inspace part of eve. They need to stop the huge focus on incarna and the mt it brings.
All the expansions have been crap since apocrypha. That is the real problem.
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Ordais
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:47:00 -
[131]
Well, its clear as day why Mittani and Zulu like eachother, they both like 1000$ jeans.
Nah, common, put up A BIT MORE RESISTANCE, 1 day of sugar up your ass and you are all over the devs for kisses.
Grow a spine guys, the issue is not "the players don't understand"...we just DONT SHARE CCPs ideas on this and the future.
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Henrica Gaufridus
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:49:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Nullity Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?
Probably that plus a good deal of "Okay, so how are we going to phrase the official CCP statement?" Judging by the last few CCP statements, it'll consist of CCP showing the CSM a statement, the CSM will say "Change this, change this, add this, change this, add this," with CCP saying "we'll take it into consideration" and then release the original.
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Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari Definitive Exploration and Excavations
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:50:00 -
[133]
The more I read these post (by the same people), the more I see it as mindless mob mentality. Why? What more do you want CSM and CCP to do? The way the behaviour is on this forum, people (the minority as well), are demanding CCP bend to their will.
Look at this from a whole unsubscriber point of view. Let say that the total revenue lost from unsubs was 1mil. Their total revenue (outdated figures), from 2008 was 46mil. Let say that currently, CCP is making 40mil a year. See where their 1mil loss is coming in? Sure, it is a sting, but you are not making a big enough dent to be heard. If it was a 20mil loss, different story.
The protestors on this forum have an air of self-importance, as if EVE should bend to their will. Do this, that, this, that, then I'll resub. Really? Your $132 for the year isn't even enough to pay the wages of a staff member for a day. Why should you get special treatment?
And all these references to WW2 Germany towards CCP. Really? Is this the level of maturity we have reached? Where all we can do is insult people using terms that normally, in real life, would have us beaten on the floor.
I'm against pay to win. I support microstransaction in that they are vanity items only, and economy-involved for non-vanity (BPC, trade ins). I will not support ships appearing out of thin air. Personally, I thought EVE was a game with smart players. I guess I'm wrong to some extent.
The end message is, change is going to happen whether we like it or not, only question is, are you going to accept it and move on, or just keep denying, hands over heads, and live in the past.
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Tuggboat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:55:00 -
[134]
If they really thought we played this out of greed they could have given us all a bllion isk and a million skill points in each account. WOuld have cost them less and by their own estimation, more effective. make that 1.4 so I can get a monacle. Sig removed because of broken link. Zymurgist |
Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:56:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava UPDATE 2 Hmm, mixed signals. TheMittani also was at the meeting. His tweet says (source):
Quote: @MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv
It's funny, reading through Mittani's tweets, he's up and down all day. I can't decide if he's happy with day 1 or angry about it.
I honestly think every positive post we see is a spoonful of bull****. I think we've earned the right to be skeptical of CCP and the CSM by now.
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jimmybeech
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:56:00 -
[136]
Typical ccp... they could have just added an option to go from hanger to CQ... they already have the hanger... they already have CQ... its just one more option?? and more then half of the protest would be instantly fixed! People who like it = happy, people who don't like it = happy.. problem solved.
Once it is optional just add some actual content to CQ so people have a reason to go there...then people will use it... problem solved! why is this so hard??
For people who have been playing for many years the station hanger is as much a part of their eve experience as star gates, it has always been there since the beginning and we are fond of it. We all remember the first time we spun our ibis in station and undocked for the first time, and the excitement of loading a new ship. players are sentimental and very fond of it...and it works!
Why get rid of something your players actually like? Its something that works just fine and isn't bugged or unbalanced as it is? It should be last on your list of things to fix right now. Where is the threadnourght saying "we hate the station its boring please make a new one"? We showed enthusiasm for incarna when it was being developed because you said it would be extra content and we think parts of it have future potential to expand on. CCP even showed a video of us leaving our ship from the hanger to go to the CQ which works fine for everyone... and actually makes RL sense and is kinda cool??
All i have now is a stupid door! thanks ccp
CSM please try harder on this issue, its not so hard and would go a long way to defusing this whole mess. Step 2: they just need to say they will ONLY ever sell vanity junk in the store which has no other in game value and wont effect the game mechanics, ship balance or market trade... 1 week late but incarna fixed. We can go back to playing the game we love and ccp can say "see, we do listen" and start fixing the real problems with the game without creating new ones..
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Isabella Thresher
Fat Kitty Inc. Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:58:00 -
[137]
would all those "can't-run-8-accounts-anymore" whiners kindly leave EVE now please and STFU thanks a lot.
(no, i'm not cool with insane hardware requirements, but on the other hand, it might release ingame resources to other players, finally)
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:58:00 -
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Most people on this forum seem to eat most of their food before it's even cooked. Maybe even marry a girl before they ****ed her at least once, first. ^^
They. Are. Not. Done. Yet.
Assumptions, Generalizations, Ego Trips ... stfu already.
(demanding kickban-voting for threads)
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:58:00 -
[139]
Forgive my cynicism, but I could just not resist making this comic:
CSM Meeting
Please don't hurt me
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:01:00 -
[140]
If I was in the same corp/alliance as any of the csm. I F*ckin biomass myself out of shame
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:03:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Solstice Project
They. Are. Not. Done. Yet.
Right, they are not done forcing microtransactions onto the players. I do not intend to stick around for it.
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Jitaseller
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:04:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Isabella Thresher Edited by: Isabella Thresher on 30/06/2011 20:58:19 would all those "can't-run-8-accounts-anymore" whiners kindly leave EVE now please and STFU thanks a lot.
(no, i'm not cool with insane hardware requirements, but on the other hand, it might release ingame resources to other players, finally. i consider no-more-singleplayer-miningfleets at good thing, for example)
People with multiple accounts make up a large portion of the player base, which helps them inflate the actual real people playing figures. Losing them is a larger hit then losing someone like yourself (unless you're one of the :derps: supporting this Nex garbage). |
HyperFaggas
The Official Hyperdallas Fanclub
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:06:00 -
[143]
hmm does this all means spaceshipz finaly are getting fixed?
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:06:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 21:06:29
Why the F are everybody ranting about ship spinning? There are far more important things to get fixed jezz.
My god, lets waste a part of a discussion day on ship spinning.
If you want to spin your ship, UNDOCK. The ship spins automatically in the CQ dock why would I want to spend time spinning it?
They should fix CQ / WiS first before ship spinning, the entire UI is laggy and cloggy not to mention a bbq.
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Alexzia Sevic
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:06:00 -
[145]
Haters gonna Hate.
Best to ignore anyone that doesn't have the IQ to understand that communication is the first step in negotiation, and it is good that CCP is at least talking to the playerbase. People are simply deluding themselves if they think the CSM will have executive level management about game. Stop being irrational and expecting that.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:07:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Entity Forgive my cynicism, but I could just not resist making this comic:
CSM Meeting
Bingo.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:08:00 -
[147]
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Mittens is clueless. "I don't get the impression that Zulu is anyone's tool. I walked out of May with a very +++Zulu feel, still have that."
Reminds me of Dubya and Putin. "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthyà.I was able to get a sense of his soul."
More from the clueless chairman Mao: "I think many of the controversies can be resolved with more clear comms from CCP."
Uh, no Dillweed. It was clear comms from CCP that thankfully brought all this to a head. What CCP is desperately trying to achieve and CSM is trying to enable is a return to less clear comms from CCP. If CCP ever had truly 'clear comms', they'd have a few dozen customers left, at best.
Sir, I can't begin to convey HOW inappropriate I think it is that you are comparing CCP Zulu to Vladimir Putin.
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Kiran
Minmatar Knights of Azrael
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:10:00 -
[148]
So basically they buttered up the CSM to get ready to deliver us the "P2W will be the next major update to the NeX store. "
Time to sharpen the pitchforks again.
New Eden is going to burn and not only in game.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:11:00 -
[149]
AYBABTU
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:13:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE 2 Hmm, mixed signals. TheMittani also was at the meeting. His tweet says (source):
Quote: @MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv
It pleased him. Doesn't mean a dang thing since we don't know how he feels about it - pro-spin or no-spin. These tweets are BS (and I don't mean battleship)
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:18:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Zleon Leigh
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE 2 Hmm, mixed signals. TheMittani also was at the meeting. His tweet says (source):
Quote: @MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv
It pleased him. Doesn't mean a dang thing since we don't know how he feels about it - pro-spin or no-spin. These tweets are BS (and I don't mean battleship)
Yes the whole thing is a load of hogwash. CSM is in CCPs hip pocket.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:24:00 -
[152]
CSM -> http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1106/CCP_CSM_PR.jpg
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:24:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Zleon Leigh on 30/06/2011 21:24:48
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Azztoroid If we block the trade hubs again for lets say more than a week, CCP needs to take direct action....Right now they have the entire world looking werry interestet uto how they will deal with this.
If just 50% of the numbers we had at the first round shows up, we would be able to criple the game to a point where prolonged actions needs to be countered.
I realy dont think CCP can afford more bad publicity, they need this situation solved, and the only way is to compremise, thats why we have the CSM there, thats why i support the CSM.
Let them eat, let the CSM spend abit time alone, they have been sitting to meetings the entire day, its first now they might get a chanse to speak amongs them selfs with out anyone from CCP are at there side......thats why we wait, thats why there is a deadline, to give the CSM time, to make sure THEY are unitet....
Azz
Nobody cares, until you start GANKING FREIGHTERS NON STOP IN AND OUT OF JITA.
You have to hit all 4 hubs AND EVE wide MTgeddon. You have to discourage the key problem directly.
I feel the need to go buy a lot of player produced hulls.... recommendations on gank fits?
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:30:00 -
[154]
As most of the ppl around, I couldn't care less about prices of stupid Barbie clothing. No more station ship spinning was kind of expected, it's bad decision but I think I can live with that too. What I want to hear before I decide what to do with this game is CCP's definite and CLEAR answer about gameplay-impacting stuff (ammo, ships, modules, implants etc) that could be bought directly for RL money, independently from ingame market.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:31:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Ranita Drell
CCP is clearly prioritizing virtual goods sales over improving or maintaining the quality of game experience for paying subscribers.
^^This, why develop content that your players pay for once when you can develop content that they can pay twice for?
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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:32:00 -
[156]
Want to bet that the NeX store is meant to have stuff from a dime-necklace and all the way up to monocles in time, but that CCP in all their wisdom chose to start with the high-end .. contrary to everything history has taught us (hook them, then gouge them)?
The old hangar view will probably not be coming back as it used the old graphics system if I recall, plan is to move everything onto the carbon platform I think. Might be recreated with similar functionality though, or even just dump people onto the walkway in CQ instead of at the couch (I just want to be able to run multi-clients and have easy access to ships/cargo, backdrop is irrelevant to me).
@pitchfork people (rednecks also have pitchforks, coincidence?): CSM are not there to make demands or influence the game in a big way, they are there because you were acting like idiots and everything said was instantly misrepresented to fit your warped reality. They are our ears only in this case, so by all means if you want to chop your ears off in the hope of never hearing anything you might not like then go ahead, waiting for outcome is for sissies and flip-floppers!
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:33:00 -
[157]
"We at CCP are wearing pairs of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. We look like the sad culmination of vainness because what we choose to do reflects what we are and what we want others to think we are."
"I am sorry. There are certain questions you want answered and there isn't room for more error in our communication on those topics or our perception of the root causes. Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments."
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:33:00 -
[158]
Jesus Christ people, you only have to wait 24 hours or so to rage about facts, so why bother wasting your energy now on raging about speculation?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:33:00 -
[159]
Remember Live Events? They became too costly, and thus Incursions was born. Live events was replaced by a simple AI / random (which seems to ignore Minmatar constellations) Constellation selector script with a Journal tab added.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:34:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Zleon Leigh on 30/06/2011 21:37:42
Originally by: Veshta Yoshida Want to bet that the NeX store is meant to have stuff from a dime-necklace and all the way up to monocles in time, but that CCP in all their wisdom chose to start with the high-end .. contrary to everything history has taught us (hook them, then gouge them)?
The old hangar view will probably not be coming back as it used the old graphics system if I recall, plan is to move everything onto the carbon platform I think. Might be recreated with similar functionality though, or even just dump people onto the walkway in CQ instead of at the couch (I just want to be able to run multi-clients and have easy access to ships/cargo, backdrop is irrelevant to me).
@pitchfork people (rednecks also have pitchforks, coincidence?): CSM are not there to make demands or influence the game in a big way, they are there because you were acting like idiots and everything said was instantly misrepresented to fit your warped reality. They are our ears only in this case, so by all means if you want to chop your ears off in the hope of never hearing anything you might not like then go ahead, waiting for outcome is for sissies and flip-floppers!
They deployed the graphics before Incarna. Hanger worked just fine.
Rednecks have never carried pitchforks (farmers did, but they are the original rednecks, not the group of people you are trying to use to abuse others with). Rednecks carry guns..
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Illadelph Justice
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:37:00 -
[161]
Ship spinning SHOULD be the easiest point of compromise for CCP. I mean, jesus, its something that's already been in the damn game. ---
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RavenNyx
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:38:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Ranita Drell
CCP is clearly prioritizing virtual goods sales over improving or maintaining the quality of game experience for paying subscribers.
^^This, why develop content that your players pay for once when you can develop content that they can pay twice for?
Fewer players + the same money = less lag? Fewer players = less blobage? Fewer players = no lag in Jita?
Sounds like CCP can drop quite a few birds with one stone, and still claim to do more for the players...
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:38:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Illadelph Justice Ship spinning SHOULD be the easiest point of compromise for CCP. I mean, jesus, its something that's already been in the damn game.
Sure, you get a jog dial on the CQ Dock panel to spin your ship.
In return, you have to accept YELLOW AMMO, SKILL BOOSTER PACKS, YELLOW SHIPS, IMPLANT BOOSTERS and more.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:41:00 -
[164]
I got a fix to this that would make everyone happy =)
Tl;DrSignature: remove current Nex and replace it with the EVE store!
Click the linkage in my signature for whole story. My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:42:00 -
[165]
Anybody upset over 3rd party app getting charged 99$ per year if they have donate button.i mean things like evemon etc
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:45:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 21:45:46
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane Anybody upset over 3rd party app getting charged 99$ per year if they have donate button.i mean things like evemon etc
Me, I was developing an Eve SDK and 2 other apps building upon that, and 2 others at design stage. The Sdk would have made building Eve apps a walk in the park, just glue em together.
All Cancelled now.
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:48:00 -
[167]
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk I got a fix to this that would make everyone happy =)
Tl;DrSignature: remove current Nex and replace it with the EVE store!
Click the linkage in my signature for whole story.
Already been suggested by kaela mensha and me.
PPL ignored the idea
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:48:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Tetragammatron Prime Sometimes it seems we would get better results from send some monkeys over there on a plane and they can just finger their butholes and jack off on the table.
I lol'ed at this.
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tikktokk tokkzikk
STORM Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:53:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk I got a fix to this that would make everyone happy =)
Tl;DrSignature: remove current Nex and replace it with the EVE store!
Click the linkage in my signature for whole story.
Already been suggested by kaela mensha and me.
PPL ignored the idea
Where? We could spider rep... Bump each other =D
If there isent any legal trouble I dont see ANY disadvantage. My solution to micro-transactions/noble exchange and CCPs money problem! |
Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:55:00 -
[170]
Damnit, I can tell just by the tone of their tweets etc that we are gonna get screwed.
I mean - a plate of fish and a coach class ticket from those cold Vikings and you roll over? Whose team are you guys on? You're not CCP employees - you're John Q Starship. Remember that while you're on your knees in Iceland.
This sucks man, I can't believe you think partial answers with a "can't talk about it" would be sufficient? Don't give me the NDA story - we're playing well past that now. Real answers make this all go away; and time has been, and continues to be, a factor.
I think the CSM plays no real role in our spaceship world, they exist only to be caressed by CCP and sent back to us bearing a smile and a plate full of bad news.
RIP EvE: May 6th, 2003 - June 1st, 2011, ashes to ashes, pods to pods.
You emm effers disgust me,
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Garwill
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:55:00 -
[171]
Trebor stated:
"CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle."
I was hoping the CSM would possibly accomplish something and it wasn't just a public relations stunt, but this, to me, confirms my suspicions. Explain it awayyyy CCP/CSM explain it alllll awayyyyyyyy.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:56:00 -
[172]
Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 21:57:04
Originally by: Garwill Trebor stated:
"CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle."
I was hoping the CSM would possibly accomplish something and it wasn't just a public relations stunt, but this, to me, confirms my suspicions. Explain it awayyyy CCP/CSM explain it alllll awayyyyyyyy.
"CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy"
It is the rundown on the non-vanity items they DID NOT give the CSM that is a worry.
It is what the CCP are NOT telling the CSM that you have to wonder.
Notice they said "vanity" items. Yeah, ofcourse we are not going to mind that.
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:58:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Elrica bloodbane on 30/06/2011 21:59:39
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk I got a fix to this that would make everyone happy =)
Tl;DrSignature: remove current Nex and replace it with the EVE store!
Click the linkage in my signature for whole story.
Already been suggested by kaela mensha and me.
PPL ignored the idea
Where? We could spider rep... Bump each other =D
If there isent any legal trouble I dont see ANY disadvantage.
haven't got time to search atm. but look on ebay see all the vev stuff for sale image if that was for sale ingame. and ccp had a cut
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Helena Russell Makanen
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Posted - 2011.06.30 21:59:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 21:45:46
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane Anybody upset over 3rd party app getting charged 99$ per year if they have donate button.i mean things like evemon etc
Me, I was developing an Eve SDK and 2 other apps building upon that, and 2 others at design stage. The Sdk would have made building Eve apps a walk in the park, just glue em together.
All Cancelled now.
Miila stop using large and/or colored fonts in your posts just to try to make people notice them. It won't help much anyway. The new forums allow people to block trolls/idiots on demand. No one will see your posts then anyway.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:00:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 21:45:46
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane Anybody upset over 3rd party app getting charged 99$ per year if they have donate button.i mean things like evemon etc
Me, I was developing an Eve SDK and 2 other apps building upon that, and 2 others at design stage. The Sdk would have made building Eve apps a walk in the park, just glue em together.
All Cancelled now.
Miila stop using large and/or colored fonts in your posts just to try to make people notice them. It won't help much anyway. The new forums allow people to block trolls/idiots on demand. No one will see your posts then anyway.
I can use whatever I please, welcome to public gaming.
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TalonClark
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:02:00 -
[176]
Edited by: TalonClark on 30/06/2011 22:03:12
Originally by: Garwill Trebor stated:
"CSM got a complete rundown on the overall CCP vanity goods strategy, and it became obvious how a series of mistakes and communications breakdowns -- both internal at CCP, to CSM, and in their messaging to you (and lack thereof) -- resulted in the NEX rollout debacle."
I was hoping the CSM would possibly accomplish something and it wasn't just a public relations stunt, but this, to me, confirms my suspicions. Explain it awayyyy CCP/CSM explain it alllll awayyyyyyyy.
Yea, of course...just a few mistakes...they never meant it right?
Bahh...the way the tweets sound CCP did a good job rolling them over. Just confuse them with some nice numbers that fit your argument (difficult to argue against if you don't have numbers), then tell them that everything is just a mistake and they still love us...and the real important stuff...well we do that...just before the ending of the meeting when EVERYONE is in a HURRY right?
Oldest tricks in the world.
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weat bix
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:02:00 -
[177]
It should have gone something like this csm arrive great and meet ccp csm ask if ccp will ever allow game affecting mt ccp answer NO csm and ccp have 2 days of talks csm report back to players ccp say yes csm walk out the end
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:03:00 -
[178]
Edited by: San Severina on 30/06/2011 22:07:01 thanks for zero 'REAL' information, I'm pretty sure no matter how good the CSM's intentions Non Disclosure will make the whole thing a farce.
Edit; everybody crowd around to watch EvE in it's Death throws. This is so morbid. I like it!
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General Xenophon
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:12:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak The more I read these post (by the same people), the more I see it as mindless mob mentality. Why? What more do you want CSM and CCP to do? The way the behaviour is on this forum, people (the minority as well), are demanding CCP bend to their will.
Look at this from a whole unsubscriber point of view. Let say that the total revenue lost from unsubs was 1mil. Their total revenue (outdated figures), from 2008 was 46mil. Let say that currently, CCP is making 40mil a year. See where their 1mil loss is coming in? Sure, it is a sting, but you are not making a big enough dent to be heard. If it was a 20mil loss, different story.
The protestors on this forum have an air of self-importance, as if EVE should bend to their will. Do this, that, this, that, then I'll resub. Really? Your $132 for the year isn't even enough to pay the wages of a staff member for a day. Why should you get special treatment?
And all these references to WW2 Germany towards CCP. Really? Is this the level of maturity we have reached? Where all we can do is insult people using terms that normally, in real life, would have us beaten on the floor.
I'm against pay to win. I support microstransaction in that they are vanity items only, and economy-involved for non-vanity (BPC, trade ins). I will not support ships appearing out of thin air. Personally, I thought EVE was a game with smart players. I guess I'm wrong to some extent.
The end message is, change is going to happen whether we like it or not, only question is, are you going to accept it and move on, or just keep denying, hands over heads, and live in the past.
Yea Ok I understand how you feel - people are raging and giving the CSM a hard time. Why? Because CCP gave us the finger with their responses and besides raging and yelling on the forums and in Jita or unsubbing, the CSM is our only real practical way to demand that CCP not ruin their game for a few more bucks. When after the 1st DAY of talking to CCP very very little is ACTUALLY accomplished when their whole goal is to talk to CCP to get answers - we have basically zero right now, other than another 'fu' about station spinning. So yea, we're frustrated. But yes, let's see what tomorrow brings and the CSM still have time to accomplish something, but stand up for us CSM, FFS!
Also, if you're currently un-subbed and not playing the game how can you claim to see the perspective of the players who have tried CQ? Unless of course I mis-read your post -which is possible- I don't think sitting on the sidelines really gives you a very good perspective of what CQ is like for a player-who-IS-using-it.
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Mr Mickey
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:24:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Nullity Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?
because they are crazy and will implement this ****, and people with leave...
the problem is they dont have the nuts to tell us all..
its *****
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Uuali
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:26:00 -
[181]
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
Now, check out these great Gallente CQ graphics.
Straight answer and they STILL can't give it. Read our lips: NO NON-VANITY MT ITEMS!
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Ianus
Caldari Geminus Gateway
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:28:00 -
[182]
Originally by: MadOverlord
The first day of the great Incarna Peace Talks is over. I will not attempt to go into ...
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Day 1 of the emergency meeting is practically over. Now we have the "informal meetings" that ...
Meh.
Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen
Miila stop using large and/or colored fonts in your posts just to try to make people notice them. It won't help much anyway. The new forums allow people to block trolls/idiots on demand. No one will see your posts then anyway.
Seconded.
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:29:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
UPDATE 2 Hmm, mixed signals. TheMittani also was at the meeting. His tweet says (source):
Quote: @MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv
I really hope that the first update is wrong. If not, perhaps they're both true and ship spinning/hangar view aren't returning, but the functionality will.
Personally i think the best way forward would be this:
- Dock as normal like pre-Incarna; ship spinning/hangar view are fully intact. It's not like CCP have to re-design this either so it shouldn't waste much development time.
- Now you can switch from ship -> pod -> ship like we're used to and the character is still inside the escape pod
- On the Neo-com there's a new button, called "decant" or "disembark", above the "undock" button, which when pressed fades the screen out to black and loads the Incarna engine
- The character will appear on the hangar walkway where he can see his own ship from the Incarna viewpoint (it makes more logical sense than being stood in the CQ as you've just left the ship)
- The player can then walk around the CQ and enter the other parts of the station when they open up in future expansions, just as ambulation was intended
I have no doubt that several players have already thought of this sort of thing and possibly posted about it, but it's beneficial to both CCP and the playerbase in all aspects:
- it fits in with game lore; i'm not a role player, but i have read that decanting from the pod is supposed to be an unpleasant process, so we shouldn't be doing it each time we dock
- it's quicker and easier to dock up in hangar view like pre-Incarna and never see the ambulation view in case we're wanting to quickly switch ship, pick up ammo or pick up that courier mission item we forgot to put in the cargohold before setting off the first time
- some players don't care for WIS, so why make them do it when it goes against their will, game lore, forces them onto an inoperable loading screen for 20-30 seconds or gives them the only alternative to switch it off altogether and look at a wallpaper of a door?
- it may reduce the hardware overheating issues as players will not be made to load the CQ
- it would show that CCP value the feedback of the community and respect their paying customers at a crucial time
I've been playing this game since early 2004, i've always loved it and could never really forsee myself not loving it. The :18months: issue really annoyed me, but i understood that CCP had poorly communicated their reasons for it and i accepted that a small team were dedicating themselves to the issue. But this current series of issues with NeX prices, forced ambulation, prospective P2W and MT schemes - and above all else the feeling that the playerbase has been explicitly lied to - makes me feel like i'm no longer respected as a customer. CCP want my money and they don't care how they get it.
Please change this destructive behaviour - the above steps would be a great way to show your initial intent in fixing the rift between your company and its customers.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:37:00 -
[184]
Another thread filled with ******ed trolls and people already resigned to quitting the game, filling space and wasting our time with "I told you so" and "CSM = CCP *****es". Seriously, say something productive or GTFO.
I can't believe that we the community don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for the CSM to breathe, rest, and begin documenting formally what they've seen, in a fashion that answers as many questions possible without violating their NDA's, without which there would be no discussion and even less information made public than we've seen so far.
Show some respect towards the people that left their jobs, families, lives, for a few days of meetings with developers they're just as furious at as we are. They have a lot on their plate, if you're seriously interested in the future of CCP and EvE, and not just here to be a ****, than give em a day for both CCP and CSM to make their individual releases and statements, you'll have all the time in the world to go back to trolling once the summit is over and all that can be made public, is made public.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:41:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Another thread filled with ******ed trolls and people already resigned to quitting the game, filling space and wasting our time with "I told you so" and "CSM = CCP *****es". Seriously, say something productive or GTFO.
I can't believe that we the community don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for the CSM to breathe, rest, and begin documenting formally what they've seen, in a fashion that answers as many questions possible without violating their NDA's, without which there would be no discussion and even less information made public than we've seen so far.
Show some respect towards the people that left their jobs, families, lives, for a few days of meetings with developers they're just as furious at as we are. They have a lot on their plate, if you're seriously interested in the future of CCP and EvE, and not just here to be a ****, than give em a day for both CCP and CSM to make their individual releases and statements, you'll have all the time in the world to go back to trolling once the summit is over and all that can be made public, is made public.
+1
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Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari Definitive Exploration and Excavations
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:42:00 -
[186]
I have used the CQ, and to be honest, right now, it's easier to simply use the left navigation to do things. But if they expand more of that now, perhaps. I played with CQ, then just left it alone, I got stuff to blow up.
But from the CSM talks, I have a good feeling it went a little like this. CCP tells CSM their plans. Vanity items for MT in the meantime, and if they have an idea for non-vanity items, it would at like the LP store, replacing LP with AUR. That stops the playerbase jumping up and down that they are bypassing the economy. Major problem solved.
Second, CCP shows a little more of what CQ will really do. It will be designed to expand more of walking in stations, probably having a communal area where guests of the station can see each other, steal monocles, whatever. If the CQ is the first phase, then it is likely that would be the second.
The whole problem this started was because a leaked document was shown, taken completely out of context, and CCP stonewalled. No communication, and people started filling the void with their own "information". That lead to where we are now. If CCP was more transparent about all of this, they would have given us information on what is going on. The only way to combat misinformation is to give actual, factual information. CCP dropped their pants, boxers and all on this one.
We also have a bunch of self-important players who think they can change policy. With a sub base of about 300k last announcement, and 10k quitting effectively, it isn't as painful as those protesting on the forum make it out to be. 1 in 30 are threatening to quit. Well, in that case, sell your junk, biomass, and leave. The world doesn't revolve around you, no matter how much you would like that to be.
CSM is there to be representative of all of us. And they are just that. Talking to people actually play, most don't care, some want shiny things to go boom. A few threaten to quit. So that means, apathy > excited > angry. That is pretty representative of CSM, they are walking in with open minds, with some concerns. CCP doesn't have to listen to CSM, but it seems in this case, they are approaching it somewhat.
A lot of the self-righteous protestors forget this. Your views do not represent that of the player base at large. I logged on before, 42k players online, about 10 in Jita shooting the statue. Most of the player base has moved on, and so should you guys. There is a black hole's chance that CCP will go back on MT and NeX, so if you don't like it, seriously, leave, because it's not going to change. Why stay for something that physically makes you ill. Make good on your threat to unsub.
And whoever wrote that these changes will benefit the older, richer players will be right. After all, it is they who can best afford these new items and changes. Not the rest of us. Makes no sense for them to protest.
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Urah Dedman
Minmatar DEEP-13
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:43:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Another thread filled with ******ed trolls and people already resigned to quitting the game, filling space and wasting our time with "I told you so" and "CSM = CCP *****es". Seriously, say something productive or GTFO.
I can't believe that we the community don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for the CSM to breathe, rest, and begin documenting formally what they've seen, in a fashion that answers as many questions possible without violating their NDA's, without which there would be no discussion and even less information made public than we've seen so far.
Show some respect towards the people that left their jobs, families, lives, for a few days of meetings with developers they're just as furious at as we are. They have a lot on their plate, if you're seriously interested in the future of CCP and EvE, and not just here to be a ****, than give em a day for both CCP and CSM to make their individual releases and statements, you'll have all the time in the world to go back to trolling once the summit is over and all that can be made public, is made public.
Yeah .. I gotta agree here...Chill. Have a drink, have a smoke.. go blink in pain at the sun... whatever it takes. Just be patient.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:46:00 -
[188]
Originally by: San Severina Edited by: San Severina on 30/06/2011 22:07:01 thanks for zero 'REAL' information, I'm pretty sure no matter how good the CSM's intentions Non Disclosure will make the whole thing a farce.
Edit; everybody crowd around to watch EvE in it's Death throws. This is so morbid. I like it!
I love ya San, but gimme a break. Even if all the quitters stay quitters, its not going to "kill eve"... 2-3% of subscriber base isn't enough to topple the company, just enough to make them suffer a bit and tighten their belts for the time being.
There are lots of us in the middle of this war that just want to see discussion remain productive, and hold out HOPE that some good can come of this. I have my criticisms of CCP to, it's obvious, as CSM Trebor pointed out, they shot themselves in the foot and ass simultaneously. But that being said, we reserve the right to stick around, speak our peace, and listen to them during their chance to redeem themslves.
The naysayers though, have become nothing more than people who've made up their minds, won't change regardless of what is said, and feel the need to take as many people with them on their way out, hurting their friends and corpmates they've left behind who still enjoy what's left of the game and want to enjoy it in the meantime.
Letting EvE die a natural death due to people cancelling subs is one thing, actively throwing stones and egging this on hurts other players and the experience they're trying to improve, more than it ever will hurt CCP.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 22:58:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak The whole problem this started was because a leaked document was shown, taken completely out of context, and CCP stonewalled. No communication, and people started filling the void with their own "information".
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!
This all started when CCP was caught cheating, taking sides in a war by handing out BPOs. They created the CSM to appease the players.
It built through 4 CSMs as the CSMs kept submitting list after list after list of stuff players wanted, but CCP ignored those lists focused on stuff players had no interest in like Dust, WoD and walking in stations.
It first came to a head when CSM 5 put thier foot down and demanded that CCP start working on the stuff on the lists that CSMs had been submitting for half-a-decade. They were flat out told, no! CCP had no intention of doing anything CSM or players wanted for atleast 18 months as they were only working on the stuff players did not want.
CSM 5 was also told of plans for microtransactions. Rumors that you'd be able to use real money to buy neural remaps, training accelerators, or even flat out buy skill points.
People start unsubbing in outrage of the 18-month+ before they can work on things players want and outrage over MT leaks.
CSM 5 and CCP had long discussion, and CCP said "Okay, not MT for now but we reserve the right to revisit."
Incursions... wasted release with nothing players wanted.
Now Incarna... Not only does it not have anything that players wanted, it has a resource hungry, useless CQ. And worst of all, it impliments the framework needed to impliment pay to win style MTs.
THEN the leaked memo about how they want to charge for this and that and the other thing, which they did not refute.
It did not start with a leaked memo, that was simply the camel that broke the straw's back.
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Boaz Hedion Merkava
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:01:00 -
[190]
Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 23:01:41
LHA it's a shame that people post new threads about random shıt all the time (of which I have been guilty for on occasion, too) while posts like yours will get buried. Should be the other way around really.
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Theoer
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:03:00 -
[191]
And they travelled to Iceland to mostly analyze the Nexus prices ?
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:04:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Letting EvE die a natural death due to people cancelling subs is one thing, actively throwing stones and egging this on hurts other players and the experience they're trying to improve, more than it ever will hurt CCP.
Unless the throwing of stones gets CCP to turn the car around and start heading in another direction.
Space ships. Space battles. Building a corp, an alliance, an empire. Mining, research. manufacturing. Player driven economy...
NOT walking in stations, pay to win, microtransactions, Dust, vampires....
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Inquisitor Cerberuso
Hounds of Helll
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:05:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Sarmatiko
Quote: Suggestion of the day: adding a "Just Say NO to Virtual Goods" t-shirt to the Noble Exchange, priced higher than a monocle.
Will buy this just to mock raging idiots
+1
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Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari Definitive Exploration and Excavations
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:06:00 -
[194]
I'm pretty sure I was referring to the start of this incident, since Incarna was released. I really don't care about the foundations of CSM at the moment, it isn't relevant to the discussion.
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:09:00 -
[195]
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak The whole problem this started was because a leaked document was shown, taken completely out of context, and CCP stonewalled. No communication, and people started filling the void with their own "information".
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!
This all started when CCP was caught cheating, taking sides in a war by handing out BPOs. They created the CSM to appease the players.
It built through 4 CSMs as the CSMs kept submitting list after list after list of stuff players wanted, but CCP ignored those lists focused on stuff players had no interest in like Dust, WoD and walking in stations.
It first came to a head when CSM 5 put thier foot down and demanded that CCP start working on the stuff on the lists that CSMs had been submitting for half-a-decade. They were flat out told, no! CCP had no intention of doing anything CSM or players wanted for atleast 18 months as they were only working on the stuff players did not want.
CSM 5 was also told of plans for microtransactions. Rumors that you'd be able to use real money to buy neural remaps, training accelerators, or even flat out buy skill points.
People start unsubbing in outrage of the 18-month+ before they can work on things players want and outrage over MT leaks.
CSM 5 and CCP had long discussion, and CCP said "Okay, not MT for now but we reserve the right to revisit."
Incursions... wasted release with nothing players wanted.
Now Incarna... Not only does it not have anything that players wanted, it has a resource hungry, useless CQ. And worst of all, it impliments the framework needed to impliment pay to win style MTs.
THEN the leaked memo about how they want to charge for this and that and the other thing, which they did not refute.
It did not start with a leaked memo, that was simply the camel that broke the straw's back.
Thats the truth of it. and also charging third party apps like evemon etc
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari Sick Tight BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:10:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Another thread filled with ******ed trolls and people already resigned to quitting the game, filling space and wasting our time with "I told you so" and "CSM = CCP *****es". Seriously, say something productive or GTFO.
I can't believe that we the community don't have the patience to wait 24 hours for the CSM to breathe, rest, and begin documenting formally what they've seen, in a fashion that answers as many questions possible without violating their NDA's, without which there would be no discussion and even less information made public than we've seen so far.
Show some respect towards the people that left their jobs, families, lives, for a few days of meetings with developers they're just as furious at as we are. They have a lot on their plate, if you're seriously interested in the future of CCP and EvE, and not just here to be a ****, than give em a day for both CCP and CSM to make their individual releases and statements, you'll have all the time in the world to go back to trolling once the summit is over and all that can be made public, is made public.
Say something productive, or GTFO. We're trying to save EVE from itself, and there is little to be gained by not calling out a useless CSM.
Originally by: McKinlay When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:12:00 -
[197]
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak The whole problem this started was because a leaked document was shown, taken completely out of context, and CCP stonewalled. No communication, and people started filling the void with their own "information".
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!
This all started when CCP was caught cheating, taking sides in a war by handing out BPOs. They created the CSM to appease the players.
It built through 4 CSMs as the CSMs kept submitting list after list after list of stuff players wanted, but CCP ignored those lists focused on stuff players had no interest in like Dust, WoD and walking in stations.
It first came to a head when CSM 5 put thier foot down and demanded that CCP start working on the stuff on the lists that CSMs had been submitting for half-a-decade. They were flat out told, no! CCP had no intention of doing anything CSM or players wanted for atleast 18 months as they were only working on the stuff players did not want.
CSM 5 was also told of plans for microtransactions. Rumors that you'd be able to use real money to buy neural remaps, training accelerators, or even flat out buy skill points.
People start unsubbing in outrage of the 18-month+ before they can work on things players want and outrage over MT leaks.
CSM 5 and CCP had long discussion, and CCP said "Okay, not MT for now but we reserve the right to revisit."
Incursions... wasted release with nothing players wanted.
Now Incarna... Not only does it not have anything that players wanted, it has a resource hungry, useless CQ. And worst of all, it impliments the framework needed to impliment pay to win style MTs.
THEN the leaked memo about how they want to charge for this and that and the other thing, which they did not refute.
It did not start with a leaked memo, that was simply the camel that broke the straw's back.
Confirming T20 was the entire company of CCP taking sides in a war. Also confirming you speak for every last player when you unequivocally say that no one wants some of the things CCP is working on.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:15:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak I'm pretty sure I was referring to the start of this incident, since Incarna was released. I really don't care about the foundations of CSM at the moment, it isn't relevant to the discussion.
It IS relivant to the discussion.
CSM was created as a PR tool. When the CSM actually tried to acheive something, CCP ignored them. CCP continues down the path of mocritransactions despite players and CSM saying over and over, NO!!!!!
So now, they fly CSM to Iceland AGAIN to try to apease the players.
Well, I unsubbed all my accounts and I'm telling everyone I can why.
CCP has ignored the players. They are not doing ANYTHING the players want and are just marching headlong off the cliff of microtransactions.
Until CCP makes a clear statement that they will drop the idea of microtransactions, they will quit working on walking in stations, will pull resources back from Dust and WoD to the spaceship game that pays the bills, and they will start taking the players wants, as expressed through the CSM VERY seriously, they will not be getting any more money from me, and I will work to get as many other players to quit with me as I can.
CCP does not deserve our money after the way they have treated the players of EVE.
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RavenNyx
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:19:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: San Severina Edited by: San Severina on 30/06/2011 22:07:01 thanks for zero 'REAL' information, I'm pretty sure no matter how good the CSM's intentions Non Disclosure will make the whole thing a farce.
Edit; everybody crowd around to watch EvE in it's Death throws. This is so morbid. I like it!
I love ya San, but gimme a break. Even if all the quitters stay quitters, its not going to "kill eve"... 2-3% of subscriber base isn't enough to topple the company, just enough to make them suffer a bit and tighten their belts for the time being.
There are lots of us in the middle of this war that just want to see discussion remain productive, and hold out HOPE that some good can come of this. I have my criticisms of CCP to, it's obvious, as CSM Trebor pointed out, they shot themselves in the foot and ass simultaneously. But that being said, we reserve the right to stick around, speak our peace, and listen to them during their chance to redeem themslves.
The naysayers though, have become nothing more than people who've made up their minds, won't change regardless of what is said, and feel the need to take as many people with them on their way out, hurting their friends and corpmates they've left behind who still enjoy what's left of the game and want to enjoy it in the meantime.
Letting EvE die a natural death due to people cancelling subs is one thing, actively throwing stones and egging this on hurts other players and the experience they're trying to improve, more than it ever will hurt CCP.
You're wrong. Staying calm is not what CCP wants. Didn't you read the memo? "Whatch what they do, not what they say"... If we create threadnaughts, waste precious resources at firing at some indestructible stuff in space, that's our way of _displaying_ (again, mind you, exactly what CCP wants) our feelings.
No, this is not the time to "chill out" or "calm down". This is the time to start a fire a Jita 4-4, and watch it all burn... CCP F'ed up, BIG TIME, and they need to be made aware that we, their customers, are NOT pleased with what they're stuffing down our throats, and they need to be aware that several of the most loudmouthed EvE-players are prepared to cancel their accounts. Chill until the CSM is done taking ord... talking to CCP? CCP controls what the CSM says anyways - that NDA could say ANYTHING, and I don't really believe in the CSM. The first day of talks? What did they bring back to the community? NOTHING but "we can't disclose anything at this point". What's the secret? What's the big surprise?
No way - waiting and calming down will make this whole thing loose momentum, and that's what CCP is waiting for. Then they can pull graphs out their rears telling us that everything is fine, and there's nothing to see here, move along... Load of BS, and if I can help it, not going to happen :)
What you're suggesting, is a way of avoiding a conflict, 'cause you're scared and do not want to take on the "evil empire". I wan't ppl taking sides - you want them to be neutral. Let's agree to disagree. :)
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:21:00 -
[200]
Its becoming clear that CCP intends WiS to be treated as a separate but inter connected game like Dust. It offers an opportunity to raise revenue using MT via the PLEX system while serving as a test bed for Carbon and the underlying code and mechanics for WoD (basically a win win for CCP).
Maybe CCP will keep the promise that anything created by Db entries will be cosmetic if it effects in space game, stuff like decals, corp services like fitting lists and background checks, which is acceptable as it doesn¦t break the eve in space game, hopefully that¦s why the CSM sound slightly positive.
If that is the plan if they were honest about it and also gave a long term game plan so we knew what sort of stuff was in store since they are in the process of changing the game world so dramatically lots of rage would be quelled.
fake edit: somehow i feel that Dust interaction charges will be getting paid from both ends, what accountant/banker could resist
..... and yes i would be upset if they charged for items that were previously free Sand Box or Litter Tray
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Solosky
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:23:00 -
[201]
TL;DR: wasting of time.
Thesis like "we didn't talk well - and that's the only mistake we did" I won't reactivate at least 2 out of 3 cancelled subscriptions. Expected much more than fugly monocle, closed station door and ridiculously expensive pixels a.k.a. "NeX shop".
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Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari Definitive Exploration and Excavations
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:23:00 -
[202]
CCP won't drop the idea of MT. Period. If you are thinking otherwise, you're kidding yourself. After all that work, they're just going to drop it because <5% of the sub base is crying over it? Errrr, no.
Raven, if that's your attitude, just leave. We don't need crybabies in the game anyway. Cause what are you achieving? Posting on a forum wasting time you can be outside in the sun? Playing a game you hate. Commenting on changes that won't occur. Commenting on a game you hate? That defies all rational sense. Then again, most of the protesters aren't exactly the definition of rational...
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Azerick Koslova
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:23:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 21:45:46
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane Anybody upset over 3rd party app getting charged 99$ per year if they have donate button.i mean things like evemon etc
Me, I was developing an Eve SDK and 2 other apps building upon that, and 2 others at design stage. The Sdk would have made building Eve apps a walk in the park, just glue em together.
All Cancelled now.
Miila stop using large and/or colored fonts in your posts just to try to make people notice them. It won't help much anyway. The new forums allow people to block trolls/idiots on demand. No one will see your posts then anyway.
I can use whatever I please, welcome to public gaming.
Yeah...so what if everybody's sick of seeing your trolls every few posts. And who cares that we all want you to take your bottom lip, pull it over the top of your head and swallow? Post away troll.
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Phor Um Panala
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:25:00 -
[204]
This whole thing is a ****ing joke. The fact that a "major" game company has to summon this group of players to Iceland for "Peace Talks" is ****ing pathetic in every single way. Add onto that these ****ty updates we get from the CSM and, well, everything is just so amateur...though that's pretty much par for the course for CCP.
I really am in shock how amateur CCP still is after all these years. What's worse is that people seem to think the CSM will get a business to change their whole business strategy because of "Peace Talks". Really wish I could live in that ****ing fantasy world...
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:26:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Confirming T20 was the entire company of CCP taking sides in a war. Also confirming you speak for every last player when you unequivocally say that no one wants some of the things CCP is working on.
Strawman.
The REAL issue, and the point of 95% of my post you failed to comment on, is that CCP has ignored the lists of enhancement requests submitted by CSMs for more than half a decade, CCP has continued to develop walk in stations despite several CSMs saying it was not aplayer priority, and CCP has continued to move toward microtransactions even though players and CSMs have begged, pleaded and demanded they not go down that road.
Now that the fecal matter of player outrage is again hitting the rotary ventalator of CCP ignoring CSM and players and chraging headlong into walking in stations and microtransactions, they again bring in the CSM as a PR sideshow.
Are they actually going to do what the CSM and players want?????
Nope.
CCP has made it clear that once again, they consider this simply an unfortunate miscommunication.
NO CCP!!!!! This is not a miscommunication that you can fix by flying in the CSM for a couple days of meetings. This is player outrage at your pig headed refusal to listen to your customers.
So, I'm not their customer any more. I'm working to get as many others to unsub also. The hope beyond hope is that CCP will pull their collective head out of their collective sphincter and actually LISTEN to the player and CSM and stop working on stuff like walking in stations and Dust and WoD and microtransactions, and start working on stuff CSM and players have been asking for!
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:28:00 -
[206]
You'd honestly swear nobody on this forum could read a word. Zero relevant content..Waste of time..yadda..yadda..yadda.
I thought it was particularly informative, and found what wasn't said directly to be relatively informative, despite it not being said. Personally, I don't think the lot of you even read two words of anything posted here anymore, and just jump to conclusions and post ambulatory negative responses. I've very clear evidence of that on more than a few occasions lately.
Here's a good example.
He definitely wasn't reading.
Anyway.. whatever. Be negative and grossly ignorant if you like; at least the rest of us will have some small amusement seeing responses like that, after we have read the thing.
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The HypnoToad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:30:00 -
[207]
TLDR; did anyone mention the soap getting dropped and you got ****d?
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:30:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak CCP won't drop the idea of MT. Period. If you are thinking otherwise, you're kidding yourself. After all that work, they're just going to drop it because <5% of the sub base is crying over it? Errrr, no.
If it is only 5%, they you are probably correct. Personally, I hope it is much more. Enough more to get CCP to change their minds. Otherwise, I'm going to miss this game.
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Enik3
Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:32:00 -
[209]
I dunno, sounds like a whole lot of *sluuuuuuurp* to me! Just as expected!
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:33:00 -
[210]
Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 30/06/2011 23:33:23
"There will be no Power Items on the Noble Exchange Market!" - CCP Minister of Communications
------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet |
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:33:00 -
[211]
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Confirming T20 was the entire company of CCP taking sides in a war. Also confirming you speak for every last player when you unequivocally say that no one wants some of the things CCP is working on.
Strawman.
The REAL issue, and the point of 95% of my post you failed to comment on, is that CCP has ignored the lists of enhancement requests submitted by CSMs for more than half a decade, CCP has continued to develop walk in stations despite several CSMs saying it was not aplayer priority, and CCP has continued to move toward microtransactions even though players and CSMs have begged, pleaded and demanded they not go down that road.
Now that the fecal matter of player outrage is again hitting the rotary ventalator of CCP ignoring CSM and players and chraging headlong into walking in stations and microtransactions, they again bring in the CSM as a PR sideshow.
Are they actually going to do what the CSM and players want?????
Nope.
CCP has made it clear that once again, they consider this simply an unfortunate miscommunication.
NO CCP!!!!! This is not a miscommunication that you can fix by flying in the CSM for a couple days of meetings. This is player outrage at your pig headed refusal to listen to your customers.
So, I'm not their customer any more. I'm working to get as many others to unsub also. The hope beyond hope is that CCP will pull their collective head out of their collective sphincter and actually LISTEN to the player and CSM and stop working on stuff like walking in stations and Dust and WoD and microtransactions, and start working on stuff CSM and players have been asking for!
Awful lot of :words: for someone with no dog in the hunt.
Also, confirming you and 99% of the players who sperg some of the most ill conceived, asinine rubbish in the assembly hall forum know bugger all about the business of video games.
Incarna has been coming coming for years. Why the surprise now? (rhetorical question)
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Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari Definitive Exploration and Excavations
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:34:00 -
[212]
I take my 5% from that fact that 10k from the unsub topic are unsubbing. I also take that there is a 300k sub base. If those numbers are roughly correct, then it is 3.33%, and I'm overestimating.
I feel 5% is a coverall number. You can hope all you like it is much higher, but your numbers don't add up.
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Gordeaux
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:37:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Chandaris Yet another update with zero relevant content, and zero questions answered.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:40:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak I take my 5% from that fact that 10k from the unsub topic are unsubbing. I also take that there is a 300k sub base. If those numbers are roughly correct, then it is 3.33%, and I'm overestimating.
I feel 5% is a coverall number. You can hope all you like it is much higher, but your numbers don't add up.
360,000 subs according to the financials no?
What we have seen is the knee-jerking unsubs. There is still the pole-dancer unsubs in a day or so and during patching..
Then there is the last light on unsubbers to follow as the game becomes meh due to lack of population.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:42:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Erichk Knaar Awful lot of :words: for someone with no dog in the hunt.
I unsubbed my 4 accounts today. I was on 6-month auto renew, so my accounts don't actually go inactive for 2-5 months. There is still time for CCP to bring me back as a player.... But it is going to take a major change in direction!
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Incarna has been coming coming for years. Why the surprise now? (rhetorical question)
Why now?
Actually seeing how SUCK CQ really is. Resource sucking, useless waste of man decades of developer time.
Actaully seeing the infrastructre in place for microtransactions.
YET ANOTHER release with none of the stuff that players and CSMs have been asking for.
A leaked memo about how they are going to cram MT down our pie holes whether we like it or not!
Charlie Charlie Papa, Golf Oscar Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Oscar Uniform Romio Siera Echo Lima Foxtrot.
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:48:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 30/06/2011 23:52:39 The reason we do not provide more "meat" yet is because we agreed to keep the chatter to a minimum until we had a chance to discuss all the issues and get back to you with a clear global picture on everything pertaining to the situation at hand.
We've been pressing pretty hard for answers on things when CCP wasn't clear enough to my taste. Overall things are progressing positively, but tomorrow is the real test...
I posted a blog update that may not provide anything but impressions, but my general stance and attitude of not compromissing (unless I have very good reason to) should provide an indication as to where this is going.
Have no doubt the concerns that have been voiced so vehemently are being represented. ----- Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. My blog
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Elder Man
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:53:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Elder Man on 30/06/2011 23:53:46
never mind, found it. Elder Man |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:53:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Doc Fury /I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
That's what you say, but when it comes to the crunch, will you stay and pay or quit?
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:59:00 -
[219]
When do we get CCP Points to spend every month, or purchase.
Like Turbine points or Cryptic Points.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:02:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Miilla
When do we get CCP Points to spend every month, or purchase.
Like Turbine points or Cryptic Points.
I demand they be called Tribble Tokens.
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The Ying
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:10:00 -
[221]
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....
Will they implement NON-VANITY items or not?
What the **** is wrong with that question? Maybe I should speak Icelandic so someone can understand that question..
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Sapphire Fangborn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:22:00 -
[222]
Edited by: Sapphire Fangborn on 01/07/2011 00:22:38
Originally by: Miilla
When do we get CCP Points to spend every month, or purchase.
Like Turbine points or Cryptic Points.
I agree. Actually, it would also be nice if working for Loyalty Points earned us some Aurim on the side.
Perhaps they can also let the Exchange run a lottery - one per region - that would give players a chance to win some Aurim or cosmetic items.
Sapph
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Shimarra Uisen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:26:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Miilla
I belive they are thick at this stage to still post the same drivel about "optional" Incarna.
The business decision has been made, CSM stated that it was a "communication breakdown" that caused all you hopefulls to keep posting your drivel about "optional" Incarna.
That communication is being cleared up now, I think they are going to use sock puppets (CSM) to present it in easy bite sizes (baby spoons) for your consumption.
Business decisions have been reversed before. Remember New Coke? Hundreds of millions dumped into advertising and the entire thing was scrapped due to a refusal of the customer. We can force CCP to change this. Period. Full stop.
Don't make purchases from the Noble Exchange. Don't buy PLEX. Reduce or cancel the number of accounts you have active, etc. Monetary losses will force policy changes. Incarna discouraged me from activating a second account, paying for a year in advance for the one account I have open, and buying a few PLEX this month. Now multiply decisions like that over several thousand accounts.
Read what the CCP standfast message really said. If the players say FU with their mouths only we stay the course. If they say FU w/ their wallets...
If enough of the Eve playerbase treats Incarna/Noble Exchange like New Coke; it will go away.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:31:00 -
[224]
Originally by: LHA Tarawa Charlie Charlie Papa, Golf Oscar Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Oscar Uniform Romeo Sierra Echo Lima Foxtrot.
Well said.
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:35:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Nidda Schottajack I'm starting to think I'm the only person who doesn't give a damn what they charge for vanity virtual goods. To me, even discussing (much less getting passionate over) the pricing of them was a waste of time. CCP can charge whatever they like for their monacles and pants as long as they keep it from being game impacting.
Really shocked to hear that we are stuck with CQ.
This, pretty much, except for the shock part. If you can skip CQ there's no reason for you to buy virtual goods, so why exactly would CCP leave ship-spinning in again?
As for pricing: Price the vanity goods low enough and I might buy something. I'm more likely to buy something high-priced if it stands a reasonable chance of being an isk-maker for me, and I don't think virtual space monocles and jeans really count. :)
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Typhoon Warfreak
Caldari Definitive Exploration and Excavations
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:36:00 -
[226]
Yeah, sticking your head in the sand is really going to work. Congrats.
Sticking your head in the sand, ignore reality.
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Paladia Haberdash
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:41:00 -
[227]
I think people are expecting to much for the first day of "talks" remember this was just the first day of talks with CCP, I personally say we need to know more before flying of the deep end so to speak. I think it's time for cooler heads and reason to pervale.
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Tarinara
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:45:00 -
[228]
Originally by: RavenNyx Chill until the CSM is done taking ord... talking to CCP? CCP controls what the CSM says anyways - that NDA could say ANYTHING, and I don't really believe in the CSM. The first day of talks? What did they bring back to the community? NOTHING but "we can't disclose anything at this point". What's the secret? What's the big surprise?
I've heard a few former and current CSM members mention CCP has run player intended communications by them first, so as not to say something that would get the player base enraged ( which CCP has proven themselves VERY capable of doing ). This may be another one of those cases. Between NDA and an already angered game population it may in fact be a case of: we want to say 'this' and how do we not shoot ourselves the the foot and the ass again...
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Rakamy
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:45:00 -
[229]
Edited by: Rakamy on 01/07/2011 00:45:31
Quote: The day ended with some work-in-progress demos of the other CQs and an establishment. Some nice work, and the Gallente CQ is the best CQ IMHO.
Finally the Gallente get something useful in this game
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Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:51:00 -
[230]
I for one am glad to see CCP engaging in frank and open discussion with their elected community representatives. It's obvious CCP and the CSM know what all the fuss is about and whether the rage is warranted or not. Looking forward to a positive outcome.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:55:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Paladia Haberdash I think people are expecting to much for the first day of "talks" remember this was just the first day of talks with CCP, I personally say we need to know more before flying of the deep end so to speak. I think it's time for cooler heads and reason to pervale.
And I think it's time for illiterate paste-eaters to shut their pieholes, but I don't get my way either.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.07.01 00:57:00 -
[232]
Not impressed.
Not impressed with the changes. The CSM. CCP. Or this oddball meeting schtick you guys go going here.
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Rayna Ravenoff
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:03:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Nullity Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?
Because the answer isn't going to be "No". Search your feelings, you know this to be true...
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Speaker4 theDead
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:04:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Snake Scofield I for one am glad to see CCP engaging in frank and open discussion with their elected community representatives. It's obvious CCP and the CSM know what all the fuss is about and whether the rage is warranted or not. Looking forward to a positive outcome.
^^^ Optimist?
From the complete lack of actual information, you can only assume he is not being allowed to discuss the particulars, because they aren't what people want to hear.
Which pretty much says to me that they have no intention of changing anything, so it will be full speed ahead and damn the citadel torps.
I wish you all luck in your Evewow future. ;-)
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Tel'Kar'Tir
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:05:00 -
[235]
Results of this meeting.
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Rayna Ravenoff
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:06:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Tel'Kar'Tir Results of this meeting.
Hahahaha!!! +1
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Doctor Garamond Trebuchet
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:11:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Rakamy Edited by: Rakamy on 01/07/2011 00:45:31
Quote: The day ended with some work-in-progress demos of the other CQs and an establishment. Some nice work, and the Gallente CQ is the best CQ IMHO.
Finally the Gallente get something useful in this game
Yay, now give me a lab coat and microscope and booste..uhm recipes.
- "This is Monacleysmic Incarnage!" Ö - Nath Blazek
CAS 101
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:21:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Nullity Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?
Because you people are ****ing stupid. They've already stated several times they wouldn't but you morons dont listen. lol. Again, i could dig up all the forum posts and devblogs (they aren't buried very far) But im done posting quotes to idiots who cant read.
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Steph Wing
Gallente Transfixion Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:24:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back.
Awesome. Neither is my subscription.
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Orzgur
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:26:00 -
[240]
So basically they flew a bunch of people to Iceland to say to their face what thy have already said to entire community via their silence: tough ****. If you don't like it, gtfo
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Rayna Ravenoff
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:28:00 -
[241]
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak CCP won't drop the idea of MT. Period. If you are thinking otherwise, you're kidding yourself. After all that work, they're just going to drop it because <5% of the sub base is crying over it? Errrr, no.
If it is only 5%, they you are probably correct. Personally, I hope it is much more. Enough more to get CCP to change their minds. Otherwise, I'm going to miss this game.
Every friend that I have ever played MMO with wants MT. Maybe my crowd is full of working professionals who works really long hours and want to just have some fun without the grinding. Yes, yes, we want the quick and easy path which leads to the darkside.
For us MT is like a fresh box of golf balls. Yeah, we're going to loose them but who cares, it's only $15 bucks!!
You'll have fun blowing up our golden ships. I promise.
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Orzgur
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:29:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Snake Scofield I for one am glad to see CCP engaging in frank and open discussion with their elected community representatives. It's obvious CCP and the CSM know what all the fuss is about and whether the rage is warranted or not. Looking forward to a positive outcome.
Im sorry, what discussion? Sounds like all they have done has been tell the CSM what they already know and nothing will change
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The Ying
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:33:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Rayna Ravenoff
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak CCP won't drop the idea of MT. Period. If you are thinking otherwise, you're kidding yourself. After all that work, they're just going to drop it because <5% of the sub base is crying over it? Errrr, no.
If it is only 5%, they you are probably correct. Personally, I hope it is much more. Enough more to get CCP to change their minds. Otherwise, I'm going to miss this game.
Every friend that I have ever played MMO with wants MT. Maybe my crowd is full of working professionals who works really long hours and want to just have some fun without the grinding. Yes, yes, we want the quick and easy path which leads to the darkside.
For us MT is like a fresh box of golf balls. Yeah, we're going to loose them but who cares, it's only $15 bucks!!
You'll have fun blowing up our golden ships. I promise.
The thing is you don't need to grind for SP. you don't need to grind for a ship by just buying a PLEX. Why the **** change it then?
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:35:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 30/06/2011 23:52:39 The reason we do not provide more "meat" yet is because we agreed to keep the chatter to a minimum until we had a chance to discuss all the issues and get back to you with a clear global picture on everything pertaining to the situation at hand.
We've been pressing pretty hard for answers on things when CCP wasn't clear enough to my taste. Overall things are progressing positively, but tomorrow is the real test...
I posted a blog update that may not provide anything but impressions, but my general stance and attitude of not compromissing (unless I have very good reason to) should provide an indication as to where this is going.
Have no doubt the concerns that have been voiced so vehemently are being represented.
Thanks for keeping us updated, and ignore the trolls. Looking forward to more information, and hoping you'll release formal minutes at some point in the near future.
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Rayna Ravenoff
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:38:00 -
[245]
Originally by: The Ying The thing is you don't need to grind for SP. you don't need to grind for a ship by just buying a PLEX. Why the <censored/> change it then?
Training is too slow. I want remaps and training accelerators. And gold/platinum ammo so I can cheat my way through complexes. Yes, yes, I know that will ruin the game, blah, blah, blah. I still want it.
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Trotula
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:42:00 -
[246]
Sorry, all I'm reading is that CCP is doing their best to spindoctor the negative publicity surrounding the forcing of microtransactions and CQ on players. They appear to be doing exactly what Himtler said in his email, not backing down and will only react to what players do, not what they say.
Here is what my "what players do" message is going to be for you CCP: All three of my account that I paid cash for since 2006 are canceled. I will not reward your behavior with my subscriptions.
Remember players, the CCP email said they will not consider what you post here or elsewhere on the internet, only what ACTIONS you take in regards to your subscriptions will affect the course of this sinking ship. If you don't hit that cancel button today you'll only have yourself to blame when gold ammo hits the NEX store in the years to come.
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Less Than Jake
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:45:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Nullity Why is it going to take an entire day to say "No, we'd be crazy to add non-vanity MTs."?
Because you people are ****ing stupid. They've already stated several times they wouldn't but you morons dont listen. lol. Again, i could dig up all the forum posts and devblogs (they aren't buried very far) But im done posting quotes to idiots who cant read.
Speaking of reading, they also said a year ago they would never have microtransactions eve. Glad to see your selective reading abilities, but by all means, please keep spamming the forums with pointless drivel |
Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:51:00 -
[248]
OP missed the #1 issue: betrayal.
Again, when you find your spouse cheating on you without remorse, trust is broken forever. --------------------------------------------- Take a stand or fall for anything |
Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:57:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Orzgur
Originally by: Snake Scofield I for one am glad to see CCP engaging in frank and open discussion with their elected community representatives. It's obvious CCP and the CSM know what all the fuss is about and whether the rage is warranted or not. Looking forward to a positive outcome.
Sounds like
I honestly don't know why they bother.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 01:57:00 -
[250]
Meh.
Well so far I'm unimpressed, but the meetings aren't over yet and all we're hearing are little glimpses out the corner of our eyes. "Communication issues". Yes, yes, that's what it always is, isn't it? Just a big misunderstanding. Actions. Words. A really expensive shirt that says "Say no to microtransactions". Har har my sides. It's still ****ing me up the ass for my money, but it's ironic, so it's far less offensive! Oh wait no it isn't.
But whatever. We'll see how things go.
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 02:06:00 -
[251]
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: LHA Tarawa Charlie Charlie Papa, Golf Oscar Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Oscar Uniform Romeo Sierra Echo Lima Foxtrot.
Well said.
Alfa Whiskey Echo Sierra Oscar Mike Echo.
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 02:12:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Paladia Haberdash I think people are expecting to much for the first day of "talks" remember this was just the first day of talks with CCP, I personally say we need to know more before flying of the deep end so to speak. I think it's time for cooler heads and reason to pervale.
You're missing the fact that our beloved CSM is unable to tell us anything, aside from "lack of communications is the root of the issue". Laughable, considering they are unable, and unwilling, to give us the full scoop.
Boys and girls, time to lube and brace - 'cuz it's coming and it's angry.
Koba
p.s. anyone else notice how quiet it has gotten in low-sec, null sec? didn't want those subs anyways... participation, numbers in our local, down by half since the rebellion. ugly.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Alaura Aquila
Minmatar Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 02:14:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: LHA Tarawa Charlie Charlie Papa, Golf Oscar Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Oscar Uniform Romeo Sierra Echo Lima Foxtrot.
Well said.
Alfa Whiskey Echo Sierra Oscar Mike Echo.
Koba
Lima Oscar Lima
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Kirkland Langue
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Posted - 2011.07.01 02:27:00 -
[254]
The CSM is clearly just going to act as mouthpieces for CCP. Without a doubt - the entire Peace Talk was a dog and pony show, planned well in advance, with only one goal: pretending that CCP gives a damn about how the players react to bad news.
Once again, Mittani is just saying that CCP made mistakes with how they explained things to the plebs, instead of saying what we all know: MTs are bad for EVE. Even those pretending they think MTs are good are either clueless, or just trolling.
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 02:35:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 23:58:10 Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 19:39:54 Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 18:50:19
Suffer, *****es.
Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
UPDATE Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back. Trebor_CSM tweeted about that, I was about to copy that tweet but apparently he removed it (!!) I am not making this up.
UPDATE 2 Hmm, mixed signals. TheMittani also was at the meeting. His tweet says (source):
Quote: @MaxSingularity We did discuss ship spinning with CCP and what I heard pleased me. One of the bright spots. Can't say details. vOv
UPDATE 3 CSM veteran Meissa Anunthiel posted a comment on page 8 post 216 including a reference to her blogpost.
Wow, suffer *****es? What are you? Spaceship Rockstar? You toolbag - get off your knees and remember what side you're supposed to be on!
"Tomorrow we will discuss...."
If they have to save it for day two - the news is bad. Just sayin'. Give you a day of dialogue, and then smack your nuts with a flooring hammer. Sorry for the news guys, hope you liked our frozen second world country, enjoy the peanuts on the flight home.
Again - they're saving the "big one" for tomo? Bad weather is comin'
Reminds me of that part of Team America where Baldwin is giving his speech:
"One day you'll look back at the EvE us CSM's have created and say,..."
"Nice going, f*g." "You really made EvE a better game, didn't ya f*g?"
Again CSM - your alliances should spend the few million to award you a dereliction of duty ribbon.
For shame!
Koba
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Zarlis
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.01 03:08:00 -
[256]
They are still on the 'communication breakdown' hand holding crap I see. i.e. too dumb to understand.
A whole day for 'golden ammo'? Really, really bad start as it shouldn't take longer than 5 seconds.
Too much NDA crap.
And Trebor thanks for the update. The warning is appreciated.
Chlorine, coming to the space pool near you. Get your goggles at the Aurum store. Greed is good.pdf |
Psilocin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.01 03:09:00 -
[257]
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2011.07.01 03:20:00 -
[258]
I fully expect CCP to backtrack big time... I think a lot of the accounts in that thread were legitimatly cancelled... I know the two I posted about were, and I think CCP probably will have that message loud and clear.
I fully expect a TON of CYA stuff... CCP is going to backtrack bigtime..."we never were going to implement P2W", various backtrackings that will all be a complete lie in order to accomplish a certain degree of reconciliation.
I then expect that CCP will implement a halfway measure... something in between P2W and pure vanity... they'll lie, and screw us over to the maximum extent that we will allow.
CCP, we've already got the pertinent messages.... your corporate leadership sucks. They don't have the ability to be fiscally responsible, and expect EVE players to be the cash cow to make up for their fiscal mismanagement with developing too much at once... let alone how many years on the captains quarters?
Basically, there is no parley, there is no truce. CCP will screw us as far as they can. It merely remains to be seen if they use enough lube that it's acceptable to the existing fan base or not. Message received CCP. Go ahead and backtrack... we've already got the real message.
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Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 03:26:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Doc Fury /I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
That's what you say, but when it comes to the crunch, will you stay and pay or quit?
Not sure how exactly that is that relevant to your interests, but I was planning on waiting until CCP confirms what I already expect will happen before I make that decision. I've been waiting a long time for CCP to change direction (subbing and unsubbing in-between), this could very well prove to be the last straw for me, I am certainly leaning that way already.
I am fully prepared to be surprised by the outcome of the CSM meeting, but I anticipate being disappointed yet again.
We're not upset that you lied to us CCP, we're upset that from now on we can't believe you.
/I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
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Ard UnjiiGo
Meatshield Bastards
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Posted - 2011.07.01 03:29:00 -
[260]
The fact that CCP put off addressing adding P2W items to the Nex store until tomorrow should tell the CSM exactly what to expect tomorrow (If they aren't too blinded by the prospect of free beer.).
The question isn't what CCP will say. The question is whether the CSM has any stones.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.07.01 03:47:00 -
[261]
There is no way everyone will be happy. We have to keep that in mind.
I don't even agree with many as to what the main problem is. The main problem I see is that CCP has let EVE coast for 2 years. Lapping up the money and spending it willy nilly on other projects instead of reinvesting at least a fair portion back into EVE. It has produced what is arguably the worst expansion to date, Incarna. An expansion so unfinished that it would have been an embarrassment to any corporation to put out. It has the feel of a late alpha.
On top of this CCP has attacked the playerbase demanding yet more money that its not spending on EVE. Through 3rd Party License fees and NEX store. The anger players see is that there is no return in investment for them. Yet CCP wants more to spend elsewhere not EVE.
So the crux of the problem is when will we see dedicated work on EVE again, when will it receive the attention it used to? Most people do not believe the answer is after DUST and WoD are completed, they believe CCP will just shift the money again to another new project. While certainly the corp needs investment in future products at least half of the money from EVE Online subscriptions should be going to maintain and develop EVE Online but that's not happening and hasn't for a couple of years. That is what is the main source of anger when you boil off the fog.
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BabyEating Dingo
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:03:00 -
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Edited by: BabyEating Dingo on 01/07/2011 04:03:49 I'm glad to see that the observations made about the CSM being useless vacation-seekers have so far not been contradicted in any significant way.
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Lapsed Judgement
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:20:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Chandaris Yet another update with zero relevant content, and zero questions answered.
^truth |
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:31:00 -
[264]
This not what I wanted or expected.
I've got less than 3 days left on my first subscription, and I don't want to quit, but I haven't heard anything yet that is going to keep me from doing it.
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Garekell
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:31:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Snake Scofield I for one am glad to see CCP engaging in frank and open discussion with their elected community representatives. It's obvious CCP and the CSM know what all the fuss is about and whether the rage is warranted or not. Looking forward to a positive outcome.
"It's obvious CCP and the CSM know what all the fuss is about and whether the rage is warranted or not."
Really? You trust the company that caused all this, and the CSM who admit they have been left in the dark and lied to, to know best if anyone should be upset? Idiot. Could your nose get any browner? Could you stick you head any further into the sand? Comments like yours are appropriate to the very distant past before the REALITY of the last months occurred.
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Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:32:00 -
[266]
Quote: Tomorrow, we will tackle the big question: Does CCP have plans to release game-affecting virtual goods (aka "gold ammo")?
I'm sure they'll be suprised at that one. It's not like they're checking the forums or anything >.>
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Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:40:00 -
[267]
I wish the forums could change something.. in fact they should change something... i believe if they want a full spectrum of eve players opinions.. they should link to the forums at game start up and they have to post something before they can play the game º--Atreus--º Is A tOoL
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Dalketh
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:44:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 30/06/2011 23:52:39 The reason we do not provide more "meat" yet is because we agreed to keep the chatter to a minimum until we had a chance to discuss all the issues and get back to you with a clear global picture on everything pertaining to the situation at hand.
I am sorry Meissa, I voted for you, but this is exactly the politician like crap that says nothing and leaves people cold. It's a betrayal.
This to me implies that soon(tm) some politically correct statement of namby pamby words will be issued showing 'great strides in new effective communication' and 'a fresh new understanding between ccp and the csm' has occurred, and that we all should trust that YET AGAIN and just wait.... while Eve deteriorates.
I hope I am wrong but this sort of thing (staged public relations farce) never prosper.
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Naradius
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:44:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Chandaris Yet another update with zero relevant content, and zero questions answered.
This...I came home from work expecting/hoping their would be news, and found the only news was being read by Billy Bull**** - in other words - no content, just like CCP's last expansion attempt.
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IVeige
Caldari IVever.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:49:00 -
[270]
Explain me member of the csm, why you still dont have for us the simple answer we all request.
To be honest, it should have been the first thing you ask as soon as you were in the building, and seeing ccp not answering it...you should have all walked away.
But its ok, we didnt expect much from the csm anyway.
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Karthwritte
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Posted - 2011.07.01 04:56:00 -
[271]
What I think CCP its gonna tell the CSM its: "Hey we are not gonna implement any non-Vanity stuff for now (or: in a immediate future)".
One year later they are gonna bring up the issue again, more specially made for incarna, because: "The whole gaming industry its implementing it (and its gonna be true) and we don't wanna keep behind the competition".
Seems that gaming marketing its totally changing and you gonna see almost everything in DLC stuff and most MMO using the dang MT thing. I was having hope for EVE first, but then I finally understood the whole tendency of the marketing of vgames to implement that way with a lot of revenue coming in from us the players. We are doomed. Keep check your wallet, don't take hardcore compulsive decisions and be smart. We are gonna say MUUUUU -------------------------------------------------
Bio: [b]Karthwritte was Casual EVE Player. Now its a phoney who talks about the plot of the game industry to take our whole money in |
Shiangti
Caldari Revelation Exploration Inc. Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:10:00 -
[272]
How hard is it for any of you CSM to say yes or no? How is that NDA? They either intended to sell non-vanity stuff or they didn't.
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SteamViper
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Posted - 2011.07.01 06:40:00 -
[273]
Give the CSM guys at least a nights rest to get over the travelling etc.To-day is the real deal.I would hope that they realize and I think they do what the lot of the player base wants.If they fumble the questions or dont get straight answers the whole project of this exercise is lost. CCP is like a guy who let you down and then again and then again.Trust takes a long time to be earned and a short time to lose.If I went to Ladbrokes or William Hills they would have stopped taking bets.Fingers crossed someone pulls this one out of the hat.I've been here since 2003.I wish you well and good health.I have already decided to call it a day and retire to a new MMO regardless of the outcome.But I hope things work out for the rest of you all.
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Mattias Kerensky
Minmatar The Flying Tigers Strategic Operations Brigade
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:03:00 -
[274]
Finally got my new graphics card and numerous other comp upgrades, eve looks great, CQ runs at 40 fps where flying through space runs at 60 (at max settings), but TBH I have more heat coming off the card when I play World of Tanks, don't see what the deal is there. I would like the option to leave the ship manually, like a lot of folks, but meh, if they don't bring it back, I'll deal, CQ is pretty cool anyway, and I can show it off to folks that come visit. The only real issue I have now is game affecting MT items. And also timetables on ship skins. :)
Paraphrased from Top Gear: Imagine if you saw the entire French Air Force crash into a fireworks factory, that's the laugh that CCP gives us every time they do anything. |
RedClaws
Amarr Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 07:18:00 -
[275]
WTH... The only thing they need to do to re-add ship spinning is make CQ start with a camera position around your ship and let us control it... The ship is there, the camera is there...
Sure there will still be performance issues for some but that'll be ironed out eventually, and you get to keep the most iconic thing about EVE.
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Talia Yvormes
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:18:00 -
[276]
We'll see what happens then. As mentioned earlier it is quite a shame that it is not optional to disembark from your ship into the CQ, however I am not overly bothered by it. Depending on what tomorrow's answer will be (and let us hope you can actually go into detailed information then) I will either be very pleased, or not so much.
I look forward to some more concrete answers soonÖ.
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:22:00 -
[277]
C&P: RE: station View
I think what annoys people most is that it's not even an OPTION. I'm not talking about turning CQ off in the settings, that's already there... and we get a horrible picture of a door. What is reasonable and realistic, is to be able to dock in your ship and still be in your ship while in the station if you're just quickly making some adjustments....for example, you need to fit an extra hardener or drop off some loot, or why not, admire your sexy ship and spin it a few times!
From a Practical and immersive point of view....as it is, doesn't work at the moment
I've said it so many times, but, you should be able to exit your ship from the station view and enter the captains quarters. This, Just for the people that want to walk in the station, sit on the sofa and other pointless activities. Each to their own.
Does that sound like something that should happen? I honestly don't think CCP are taking this particular issue seriously. It's getting buried under all the monocle and MT talk. yobo |
Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:29:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Rayna Ravenoff
Originally by: The Ying The thing is you don't need to grind for SP. you don't need to grind for a ship by just buying a PLEX. Why the <censored/> change it then?
Training is too slow. I want remaps and training accelerators. And gold/platinum ammo so I can cheat my way through complexes. Yes, yes, I know that will ruin the game, blah, blah, blah. I still want it.
So basically, you admit you're a spoiled fcking child who wants what you want RIGHT NOW.
Get out. Every other game on the market is designed for you. All of them cater better to your "WHAAH I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO INVEST ANYTHING JUST LET ME WIN NOW ;_;" mentality. ________________
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ScreenWipe
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:30:00 -
[279]
I agree on one point, the door looks ******g horrible, maybe they should put up a tv screen with a view of the undock point.
Anyways, i hope CCP does not stand down, change is good!
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:33:00 -
[280]
Originally by: ScreenWipe I agree on one point, the door looks ******g horrible, maybe they should put up a tv screen with a view of the undock point.
Anyways, i hope CCP does not stand down, change is good!
Not always. But an option isn't too much to ask. that's what any good game gives. If you want to spend all your time in station in your CQ then great, fantastic, brilliant, give that boy a banana! If you want to sit in your ship in station, you should be able to do that too. yobo |
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Talia Yvormes
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:43:00 -
[281]
I've never had much use for the old station view myself and generally I don't mind either direction overly much. Maybe add the option to change the static background?
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:49:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Talia Yvormes I've never had much use for the old station view myself and generally I don't mind either direction overly much. Maybe add the option to change the static background?
You never had much use for it? But that was the only option and it was practical. Surly it's better than a static background. yobo |
Talia Yvormes
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:56:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Andraine
You never had much use for it? But that was the only option and it was practical. Surly it's better than a static background.
I always made due with the menu-bar on the right, tbh. It was a nice view to see the ship before they allowed us to view them from the info screens, though. Not to say that others didn't have use for it, of course, I am merely mentioning that I do not personally think of it as a huge cause to grow gray hairs prematurely, although I can understand you will miss it yourself.
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Zephyrus II
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Posted - 2011.07.01 10:58:00 -
[284]
Even if they are just a PR tool, they give me hope.
Godspeed, CSM. Godspeed.
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Franz Sigel
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:17:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak The more I read these post (by the same people), the more I see it as mindless mob mentality. Why? What more do you want CSM and CCP to do? The way the behaviour is on this forum, people (the minority as well), are demanding CCP bend to their will.
(...)
The protestors on this forum have an air of self-importance, as if EVE should bend to their will. Do this, that, this, that, then I'll resub. Really? Your $132 for the year isn't even enough to pay the wages of a staff member for a day. Why should you get special treatment?
And all these references to WW2 Germany towards CCP. Really? Is this the level of maturity we have reached? Where all we can do is insult people using terms that normally, in real life, would have us beaten on the floor.
I'm against pay to win. I support microstransaction in that they are vanity items only, and economy-involved for non-vanity (BPC, trade ins). I will not support ships appearing out of thin air. Personally, I thought EVE was a game with smart players. I guess I'm wrong to some extent.
Full ACK!! On the one hand, CCP has fumbled a lot and has to improve on several things. On the other hand, the greater part of posts here are pathetic to a degree that's just distasteful! This seems to be some kind of welfare mentality - to be demanding as heck and ignoring all aspects of practical life. Funny that these very people most surely would see themselves as "independant"!
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:23:00 -
[286]
Yawn *stretches*
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Zagdul
Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:24:00 -
[287]
Edited by: Zagdul on 01/07/2011 11:25:56
Quote: @TheMittani Alright, I'm pleased. #tweetfleet #eveonline #csm6
edit: 3 ****ing words say so much.
ok you jita protesters. go home back to your level 4 missions.
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Imuran
Zentor Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:26:00 -
[288]
Sounds positve
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shilpi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:28:00 -
[289]
@Trebor We have discussed the whole "gold ammo" situation. The major work left is drafting statements.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:39:00 -
[290]
Originally by: shilpi @Trebor We have discussed the whole "gold ammo" situation. The major work left is drafting statements.
Well ****, what am I gonna do with all these pitchforks and torches now?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
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Pearljammer 5657
Caldari Last Exit.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:49:00 -
[291]
Do the best you can guys and go for the throat, promise them a bad review and encouragement of unsubs to community if CCP doesnt agree to our demans
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.01 11:57:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Pearljammer 5657 Do the best you can guys and go for the throat, promise them a bad review and encouragement of unsubs to community if CCP doesnt agree to our demans
lol - is de mans the guy who's gonna break their heads when they say yes to p2w?
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Uuali
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Posted - 2011.07.01 12:16:00 -
[293]
Originally by: San Severina
Originally by: Pearljammer 5657 Do the best you can guys and go for the throat, promise them a bad review and encouragement of unsubs to community if CCP doesnt agree to our demans
lol - is de mans the guy who's gonna break their heads when they say yes to p2w?
No! De mans who's gonna break yo face if yous don't do what we say! (Thick Bronx accent)
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.01 12:45:00 -
[294]
So, any of my fellow Gallenteans totally stoked for the Gallente CQ to come out? Myself, I can't wait! ~Gnosis~ |
shilpi
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Posted - 2011.07.01 12:49:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Discrodia I predict so much spin that if you grabbed that statement you would take off like a helicopter.
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Doc Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 13:55:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 01/07/2011 11:25:56
Quote: @TheMittani Alright, I'm pleased. #tweetfleet #eveonline #csm6
edit: 3 ****ing words say so much.
ok you jita protesters. go home back to your level 4 missions.
You do realize that the things that please Mittens (and the Goons) are not always in the best interests of EVE players in general?
We're not upset that you lied to us CCP, we're upset that from now on we can't believe you.
/I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
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Govinda Sertan
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Posted - 2011.07.01 13:59:00 -
[297]
Are we 100% sure Mittani and Trebor_CSM are real people and not CCP alts ?
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Inipinipocoloco
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:09:00 -
[298]
torches and pitchforks still on standby
the eve community is the best community and if CCP kills EVE we will show them what real riots are
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Maya Silverman
Dawn of a new Empire
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:11:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Discrodia I predict so much spin that if you grabbed that statement you would take off like a helicopter.
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Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:13:00 -
[300]
Quote: Trebor_CSM We just got a first look at a work-in-progress of Time Dilation. Nice. #csm6 #tweetfleet
You know the end product will be nothing like that I presume ? The last 3 Fanfests had lovely work-in-progress presentations of Ambulation/Walking in Stations and what we got was one ugly room.
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divanoo
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:21:00 -
[301]
Of course all the CSM are fanboys, they get free trips to Iceland (in your expense) to talk about this game and lol at the people protesting (24 left in the mass-protest ingame channel)
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:21:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Its becoming clear that CCP intends WiS to be treated as a separate but inter connected game like Dust. It offers an opportunity to raise revenue using MT via the PLEX system while serving as a test bed for Carbon and the underlying code and mechanics for WoD (basically a win win for CCP).....
CCP wants us to treat it as part of eve so they can claim they are still working on eve. But incarnatransactions is clearly just an opportunity for them to get walking characters for WOD and an opportunity to squeeze more money out of eve players with mt.
When will they assign more devs to the actual eve game we play with spaceships? Because that is the first step for them getting out an expansion that doesn't suck.
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Jannx
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:30:00 -
[303]
Wow, look at all the mood slime dripping from the walls... time to break out the marshmallows. Now, where did I leave that 150ft copper statue?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:31:00 -
[304]
Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Its becoming clear that CCP intends WiS to be treated as a separate but inter connected game like Dust. It offers an opportunity to raise revenue using MT via the PLEX system while serving as a test bed for Carbon and the underlying code and mechanics for WoD (basically a win win for CCP).....
CCP wants us to treat it as part of eve so they can claim they are still working on eve. But incarnatransactions is clearly just an opportunity for them to get walking characters for WOD and an opportunity to squeeze more money out of eve players with mt.
When will they assign more devs to the actual eve game we play with spaceships? Because that is the first step for them getting out an expansion that doesn't suck.
Team Gridlock have delivered some genuinely good work on lag. I'm seeing fights with 200 + in local, fighters out, on unreinforced nodes, with essentially no lag. That's a good result, and regardless of the foot-in-mouth antics of certain people at CCP, Gridlock deserve props.
I know that there's a fair old list of stuff that needs looking at on the game design front- Faction Warfare, to name the most obvious one - but right now, the straight up boat-violencing part of EVE is in as good a state as it has ever been. Kind of sucky for pure Gallante-spec'd pilots, but there's always 1 gimp race.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
MyShip SmellsLikeFarts
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:41:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Rayna Ravenoff
Originally by: The Ying The thing is you don't need to grind for SP. you don't need to grind for a ship by just buying a PLEX. Why the <censored/> change it then?
Training is too slow. I want remaps and training accelerators. And gold/platinum ammo so I can cheat my way through complexes. Yes, yes, I know that will ruin the game, blah, blah, blah. I still want it.
wow, what a maroon!
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pipvac
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:44:00 -
[306]
Edited by: pipvac on 01/07/2011 14:44:18 The update. once again, fills me with dread that the CSM truely fails reflects the views of the community.
Passionate debate about the price of vanity items? Seriously!
Sell as many vanity items as people are prepared to part with cash for. It is inconsequential to gameplay how many vanity items there are or their price.
Its a shame ship spinning has gone, but not game breaking, and has little impact on gameplay. CQ is the first stage of a much larger plan, and as CCP has chose to drip feed unfinished product (WiS) into their game, a predictable result of confused and under value has occurred.
There is still no definitive answer to pay2win... the key issue!
Last chance for CSM to prove its worth... Desperately seeking originality since the first "can I have your stuff" since 2003. |
RavenNyx
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:47:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak
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Raven, if that's your attitude, just leave. We don't need crybabies in the game anyway. Cause what are you achieving? Posting on a forum wasting time you can be outside in the sun? Playing a game you hate. Commenting on changes that won't occur. Commenting on a game you hate? That defies all rational sense. Then again, most of the protesters aren't exactly the definition of rational...
LOL. If you can't read between the lines, please don't bother commenting at all :) But, let me explain this to you anyway since I'm bored out of my skull, and I like to educate CCP alts on what some players feel. There's still a slight chance that CCP will come to their senses. I will cancel all my subscribtions the second they announce other than vanity-items in the NEX store, yes, but I will wait until the last possible moment. I'm loyal to EvE/CPP, and I'm loyal to the work I put into my toons. I like that relationsship to be mutual with CCP, and I'm ready to do my part... Also, I like my corp, my alliance and the people there - they've been good sports and big part of my time the last couple of years. Should I throw that away on some F'ed up emo-rage? Nah - you can't have my stuff - sry bro'...
But yes, I am MAD, and I want to influence CCPs descisions as much as I can. I'm yelling 'cause I care :)
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar Fearsome Engine
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Posted - 2011.07.01 14:53:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane YOU WANT TO HURT CCP ? GO TO JITA AMARR AND ANY OTHER TRADE HUB.
BLOCK IT CLOSE THE STAR GATES.
WHEN TRAFFIC BUILDS UP OUT SIDE THE SYSTEM.
TAKE AS BS LOADED WITH SMARTIES AND BANG.
OVERWHELM THEM WITH PETITIONS.
IF YOUR GOING TO DO IT DO IT BIG
All this does is screw up the game for everyone, a pathetic idea at best and harassment of players and therefore a bannable offence at worst.
Originally by: Not CCP Zinfandel CCP Zinfandel: ****ING SPACE MONOCLES!
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M4A1cc
Gallente Phoenix Industries Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2011.07.01 15:03:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Originally by: Elrica bloodbane YOU WANT TO HURT CCP ? GO TO JITA AMARR AND ANY OTHER TRADE HUB.
BLOCK IT CLOSE THE STAR GATES.
WHEN TRAFFIC BUILDS UP OUT SIDE THE SYSTEM.
TAKE AS BS LOADED WITH SMARTIES AND BANG.
OVERWHELM THEM WITH PETITIONS.
IF YOUR GOING TO DO IT DO IT BIG
All this does is screw up the game for everyone, a pathetic idea at best and harassment of players and therefore a bannable offence at worst.
Is PvP a bannable offense? I never realized it was harrassment to blow someone elses ship up. I am the gun, the tool of death. God made man, Colt made all men equals. |
Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.07.01 15:19:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Andraine C&P: RE: station View
I think what annoys people most is that it's not even an OPTION. I'm not talking about turning CQ off in the settings, that's already there... and we get a horrible picture of a door. What is reasonable and realistic, is to be able to dock in your ship and still be in your ship while in the station if you're just quickly making some adjustments....for example, you need to fit an extra hardener or drop off some loot, or why not, admire your sexy ship and spin it a few times!
From a Practical and immersive point of view....as it is, doesn't work at the moment
I've said it so many times, but, you should be able to exit your ship from the station view and enter the captains quarters. This, Just for the people that want to walk in the station, sit on the sofa and other pointless activities. Each to their own.
Does that sound like something that should happen? I honestly don't think CCP are taking this particular issue seriously. It's getting buried under all the monocle and MT talk.
Turn around time when mining is crap. Used to have 2 hulks mining, orca bck to base empty holds/hangers, and back before hulk was full. Now can only use 1 hulk plus orca, and then have to turn strippers off and wait
If I was in the same corp/alliance as any of the csm. I F*ckin biomass myself out of shame |
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.07.01 15:50:00 -
[311]
Edited by: jackaloped on 01/07/2011 15:51:44 It may be as good as ever but it could be improved allot. The game as it is, takes hours to find a decent pvp fight. (the fight will only last about 3 minutes) Eve involves allot of boring downtime even when you are all fit up and ready for battle. That could be improved if they really focused the devs on it.
There are allot of people in this world who would like eve's combat mechanics and risk/reward, yet can't dedicate huge portions of their lives to a computer game. Instead of tapping into that population CCP is preying on those who are hopelessly addicted to the game by charging them for virtual clothing.
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Its becoming clear that CCP intends WiS to be treated as a separate but inter connected game like Dust. It offers an opportunity to raise revenue using MT via the PLEX system while serving as a test bed for Carbon and the underlying code and mechanics for WoD (basically a win win for CCP).....
CCP wants us to treat it as part of eve so they can claim they are still working on eve. But incarnatransactions is clearly just an opportunity for them to get walking characters for WOD and an opportunity to squeeze more money out of eve players with mt.
When will they assign more devs to the actual eve game we play with spaceships? Because that is the first step for them getting out an expansion that doesn't suck.
Team Gridlock have delivered some genuinely good work on lag. I'm seeing fights with 200 + in local, fighters out, on unreinforced nodes, with essentially no lag. That's a good result, and regardless of the foot-in-mouth antics of certain people at CCP, Gridlock deserve props.
I know that there's a fair old list of stuff that needs looking at on the game design front- Faction Warfare, to name the most obvious one - but right now, the straight up boat-violencing part of EVE is in as good a state as it has ever been. Kind of sucky for pure Gallante-spec'd pilots, but there's always 1 gimp race.
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Zagdul
Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.07.02 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Fury
Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 01/07/2011 11:25:56
Quote: @TheMittani Alright, I'm pleased. #tweetfleet #eveonline #csm6
edit: 3 ****ing words say so much.
ok you jita protesters. go home back to your level 4 missions.
You do realize that the things that please Mittens (and the Goons) are not always in the best interests of EVE players in general?
I'm well aware.
However anyone who's paid attention to the ballot he ran on and the lines he's drawn in the sand in terms of what he would or wouldn't want to see in His or Goon's EVE will quickly translate those three words into quite a telling story.
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