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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4241
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Best bit is that one of the loudest anti wardec posters here is also whining that wardecs are useless in another thread. Both of those can be true. The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. For that reason the main use of them is to grief people who stand no chance of retaliating. Fixing them would involve giving them meaning, giving them purpose, beyond just "I don;t want to lose my ship to concord when I gank that guy". The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6985
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:41:00 -
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*Thread intensifies*
CONCORD in an "idealised" HighSec world: There was a ganker sitting on top of the station, so we nuked the station "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4241
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:03:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:*Thread intensifies* CONCORD in an "idealised" HighSec world: There was a ganker sitting on top of the station, so we nuked the station ? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9704
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:46:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord.
That's what they are for.
What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Police. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6991
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. That's what they are for. What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Old Testament God.
FTFY
CONCORD are not police
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9704
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:51:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. That's what they are for. What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Old Testament God. FTFY CONCORD are not police
If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6991
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:59:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops.
I was arrested by a Coast Guard landrover yesterday...
Also, I havent seen this on any CONCORD that waxed me before? Maybe its a graphics setting thing "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9704
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Posted - 2014.09.12 12:20:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops.
I was arrested by a Coast Guard landrover yesterday... Also, I havent seen this on any CONCORD that waxed me before? Maybe its a graphics setting thing
Comet. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6994
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Posted - 2014.09.12 12:21:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops.
I was arrested by a Coast Guard landrover yesterday... Also, I havent seen this on any CONCORD that waxed me before? Maybe its a graphics setting thing Comet.
Isnt that a GalPol ship? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13165
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:15:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops.
I was arrested by a Coast Guard landrover yesterday... Also, I havent seen this on any CONCORD that waxed me before? Maybe its a graphics setting thing
This seems like an interesting story. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Marcus Gord
Stormcrows
69659
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:21:00 -
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i think this is my new favourite thread.
a whine thread that turns into a guy actually listening to what he's being told and learning things.
this is like GD gold! The Gord Abides.
".....Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well....." http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png |
Colten Tokila
Blitzkrieg. Get Off My Lawn
5
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:51:00 -
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Carl Pator
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.09.12 20:32:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. That's what they are for. What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Police.
Why do you feel such a mechanic is necessary? |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2014.09.12 20:43:00 -
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Carl Pator wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. That's what they are for. What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Police. Why do you feel such a mechanic is necessary? Because 130,000 EHP Skiffs orbiting at 200 m/s Because stupidly sized multibox mining fleet taking every bit of ore and ice in the system Because jackass incursion runner talked a bit too much smack
I could go on forever. |
Carl Pator
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.09.12 21:10:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Carl Pator wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. That's what they are for. What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Police. Why do you feel such a mechanic is necessary? Because 130,000 EHP Skiffs orbiting at 250 m/s Because stupidly sized multibox mining fleet taking every bit of ore and ice in the system Because jackass incursion runner talked a bit too much smack I could go on forever.
Why should any of those reasons negate concord protection in high sec? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9711
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Posted - 2014.09.12 21:19:00 -
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Carl Pator wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. That's what they are for. What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Police. Why do you feel such a mechanic is necessary?
Ask CCP, not me.
If you ask me, it's because PvP is supposed to happen in highsec, since this is first last and always a PvP game. And not with the enormous "IF" that suicide ganking has become. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7008
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Posted - 2014.09.12 21:37:00 -
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Carl Pator wrote:Steppa Musana wrote:Carl Pator wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. That's what they are for. What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Police. Why do you feel such a mechanic is necessary? Because 130,000 EHP Skiffs orbiting at 250 m/s Because stupidly sized multibox mining fleet taking every bit of ore and ice in the system Because jackass incursion runner talked a bit too much smack I could go on forever. Why should any of those reasons negate concord protection in high sec?
Well, ignoring that its not protection, its revenge...
Nothing above has been an argument for CONCORD removal.
THey were cited as reasons why the "Eye For An Eye" squad exists "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Spookyjay
Air The Initiative.
2
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Posted - 2014.09.12 22:34:00 -
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Simply. yes war decs are a greifing tool. there are two very simple ways to balance them. 1. a war must require both parties make an aggressive action within the period of 24 hours after a war is declared. (IE: if you shoot some one first) this way if a party is just ganking another the war dec ends and is not re-declarable for at least 7 days). 2. make docking/jumping in empire with war decs take much longer after aggression. Prevent all these dam war dec corps from sitting at docking range and docking up if you dare to bring the fight to them in more than they can handle. this is my preferred option as it targets the greifing corps directly hitting the mechanic they use to stay relatively risk free without harming genuine war between two corps or alliances |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9713
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Posted - 2014.09.13 00:40:00 -
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Spookyjay wrote:Simply. yes war decs are a greifing tool. there are two very simple ways to balance them. 1. a war must require both parties make an aggressive action within the period of 24 hours after a war is declared. (IE: if you shoot some one first) this way if a party is just ganking another the war dec ends and is not re-declarable for at least 7 days). 2. make docking/jumping in empire with war decs take much longer after aggression. Prevent all these dam war dec corps from sitting at docking range and docking up if you dare to bring the fight to them in more than they can handle. this is my preferred option as it targets the greifing corps directly hitting the mechanic they use to stay relatively risk free without harming genuine war between two corps or alliances
As soon as it's free and/or can't be dodged, we can talk about those things.
But you certainly don't get to add more safety to something that is functionally 100% voluntary already. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
489
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Posted - 2014.09.13 00:41:00 -
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Spookyjay wrote:Simply. yes war decs are a greifing tool. What is your definition of griefing?
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there are two very simple ways to balance them. 1. a war must require both parties make an aggressive action within the period of 24 hours after a war is declared. (IE: if you shoot some one first) this way if a party is just ganking another the war dec ends and is not re-declarable for at least 7 days).
So in other words, both parties must agree to go to war. Thats a terrible idea.
Quote: 2. make docking/jumping in empire with war decs take much longer after aggression. Prevent all these dam war dec corps from sitting at docking range and docking up if you dare to bring the fight to them in more than they can handle. this is my preferred option as it targets the greifing corps directly hitting the mechanic they use to stay relatively risk free without harming genuine war between two corps or alliances
No point, under your plan there arent gonna be any wars, anyway.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20749
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Posted - 2014.09.13 00:49:00 -
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Spookyjay wrote:Simply. yes war decs are a greifing tool. there are two very simple ways to balance them. 1. a war must require both parties make an aggressive action within the period of 24 hours after a war is declared. (IE: if you shoot some one first) this way if a party is just ganking another the war dec ends and is not re-declarable for at least 7 days). 2. make docking/jumping in empire with war decs take much longer after aggression. Prevent all these dam war dec corps from sitting at docking range and docking up if you dare to bring the fight to them in more than they can handle. this is my preferred option as it targets the greifing corps directly hitting the mechanic they use to stay relatively risk free without harming genuine war between two corps or alliances Before you state that wardecs are a griefing tool, you must first define griefing.
The definition of griefing used in other games is irrelevant, primarily because a large number of the activities that are considered griefing elsewhere are legitimate game play options in Eve, including wardecs. Until CCP declare that wardecs are griefing they remain a legitimate way of playing the game, regardless of how you feel about it.
TL;DR, You, and everybody else are my content, and vice versa. The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
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