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Restrict Lennelluc
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:24:48 -
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I knew it would come down to this. So many butthurt EVE players whose endless rants and mindless chatter led to this. What do you expect from players who can't accomplish things on their own and resort to rage over others who do succeed. It goes to show that the havenots will always remain in their raging mindset and will stop at nothing to ruin other peoples fun.
With that being said, as of now all 15 accounts have been closed. Goodbye CCP, I will take myself elsewhere where a players time and currency spent ingame is appreciated.
P.S. I'm still LOLing due to the fact that us ISBoxers have had such a great impact on this game and so many players are butthurt due to us.
ISBoxers be proud and Box on!
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4186
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:28:22 -
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this is good news |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25659
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:34:02 -
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MrQuisno wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Sheffsam wrote:I would hazard a guess that even using a tictac container will have minor differences in ms, while a macro will repeat a consistent pattern. One thing computers are good at is recognising patterns, if they are asked to do so. I'm not a developer though, so I have no idea if that's something that could practically be done within eve. You can very easily randomize the delay using most software solutions. no comment. but this is what i was thinking. curious if ISBoxer author will pull the plug on EVE or decide to make ISBoxer smarter, cuz that's all it would take. If you know what ISBoxer is capable of, you'd know there's no way for EVE to detect ISBoxer. a lot of people need to wake up and smell the coffee. Multiboxing is the best way to play EVE. the cries about "a multiboxer killed me" are bullshit. when you undock you sign off on whatever you encounter in space. ""They can easily check from one ISP of the same instances multiple clients of the game data being pulled.""" so force computers pass a single client check, like trial accounts? can be bypassed. also pretty funny to suggest that.
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Kharamete
Royal Assent
112
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:37:20 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: no comment. but this is what i was thinking. curious if ISBoxer author will pull the plug on EVE or decide to make ISBoxer smarter, cuz that's all it would take. If you know what ISBoxer is capable of, you'd know there's no way for EVE to detect ISBoxer.
ISBox author will hardcode inability to multi-broadcast as default for Eve into next iteration of ISBoxer. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2ndrl2/the_end_isboxers/cmcqw2g In particular this follow-up to the above link where he directly adresses this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2ndrl2/the_end_isboxers/cmcrq9r [quote=ISBoxer Author]I am considering things like that, yes. There will be an ISBoxer update before this takes effect in January, which will probably lock down broadcasting by default for anyone who has selected EVE Online as the game.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25659
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:44:24 -
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cool, I never ISBoxed.
thanks for posting the info.
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RUS Comannder
Tremor Recorded Variable Enterprise Training Standards
41
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:46:44 -
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Actually i this is a email I sent to CCP Eterne earlier today about this very subject. I sent the note to him after he did a nice job of closing a forum which what degenerated into a lot misstatements and probab ly some down right intentional mistruths which just supported the person's position. This was happening on both sides of the issue, so it was certainly time to shut it down. I'm trying to get this in before that happens here, as many incorrect statements are being made already.
Hi,
I just read your statement at the end of a closed forum started by a guy who petitioned some use of IS Boxer.-á I thank you for your sanity and tact.
I believe one of the last posters hit the nail on the head and I want to reaffirm it and ask you to forward this to the ones who keep this topic under review.
Key cloning is simply allowing a single player to operate every account paid for by that single person with the same speed as if each account were being played by a-ásingle person.-á It allows a person to get full value for each of-átheir subscriptions; every subscription can perform the action desired by the player at the precise time the player desires that action to occur.
(edited in - there are no bots - none)
In a different view, five players paying five subscriptions playing one character each can mine faster than one player paying for five subscriptions can mine with five characters.-á The single player payinf for five accounts is at a disadvantage to the five single players.-á Key cloning levels the playing field for the player who pays for five subscriptions when competing with the five players paying for one subscriptions each.
If the skills, modules,-áimplants, links, and fleet boosts are all equal for a really oversized sized fleet (but used for comparison) of-á-á20 players paying for 20 subscriptions playing one character each are compared to-áone player another ridiculous possiblity and not anything I would ever trust doing) paying for 20 subscriptions for a fleet of 20 multiboxed-ácharacters-áand is able to play each character-áwith an equal use of each subscription, the two fleets will have a very similar yield after a given period of time. Multiboxing does not affect cycles times or warp speeds, In fact, if both-áfleets use the same method of hauling the ore to station and returning, the fleet with twenty persons will probably have the advantage.-á The haulers for the 20 person fleet will have 20 (presumably) brains to keep track of what needs to be hauled and when while the single player will have a single brain to keep track of the hauling as nothing is automated or on a timer, but operated by the direct input-áusing mouse/keyboard.
I think the real issue here is some players are butt hurt that some other players individual wallets get fatter quicker; but that is the basic tenet of Eve, ISK vs RISK.-á
A single player has a better chance of not having a loss if a ganker appears and kills one two ships from that fleet as the rest bug out to different celestials .-á The multiboxed fleet owner will always suffer losses to a ganker who appears in the fleet area as it is very difficult to align 20 multiboxed ships and then have them depart together to a single celestial without a lot of bumping and banging so a sufficiently large and swift-killing host of gankers using neuts or webs can take down the whole multiboxed fleet-ábefore concorde can intervene.-á Again, it is an unlikely example but one I fear many people see as happening all the time. It may be happening in some instances, but that possiblilty is way above my level.
I only have-á12 accounts and primarily use-áIS Boxer to log in and do things like clear the mail cache.-á I use fleet commands for travel movements and most other multiple character activities.-á Honestly, using four toons each with their overview having-ájust the ore for each miner's crystal, it is too much of a headache to multibox and keep up with changing filters, moving the ship with the-áfewer kern roids to mine and to keep-áin range.-á There are options on IS boxer I don't use, because I'm not a coder and the instructions are not non-coder friendly.-á So instead of setting up the fleet-áwith a unique to task overview for each ship with a different task, I just set up one overview with all items so I can hop from one character-áto another and pick what I want that one to do.-á Some players are more efficient with the construction of the framework so each character will do the task the player wants done when the player presses the key or clicks the mouse. Being on the cusp of turning 68, my bucket is not deep enough to add that to the list.
On the other side of this, I am at a disadvantage of getting my subscription worth of play, even though I plex, it is evident that many people don't know that is not playing for free and taking money out of Eve's pocket, but really someone else who sells me a plex they paid 20 bux for is used by me to pay my 15 buck subscription so Eve wins.
Thank you, All the-áRandom Tremor Members or just-áme
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Raziel Walker
Lucifer's Hammer A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:48:43 -
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As they said, Christmas came early this year.
No multiplication of commands to different eve clients allowed. Not really difficult to read either for all those people trying to find loopholes or excuses.
It doesn't matter what tool is used, isboxer, custom keyboard, tictac box or a wooden stick. What matters is the effect achieved.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1808
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:49:37 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:As I previously posted, I'm uncertain what "Input Broadcasting" and "Input Multiplexing" mean; are they the same thing?
I can't find any useful answer via Google either. EULA would be a good catergory
While 'Input Broadcasting' is a valid rule, the term 'Input Multiplexing' seems to disallow what I'm assuming should still be a valid use case; one (or more) input source demux'ed to one of multiple possible channels based on user input (aka multiboxing across several clients with input always restricted to a single client at the time)
Nyan
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
isd community communications liaisons
3491
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:50:42 -
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Closed for a quick cleaning.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
112
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:32:47 -
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HELL YEAH |
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1457
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:34:49 -
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Holy cow.
After all this time and dodging the hot bullet CCP finally did it.
Father... father, the sleeper has awakened!
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Hulky Boy
From Our Cold Dead Hands The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:37:26 -
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Yes I'm cut, people need to have a cry because they suck and need to ruin this game for people that have actually made it over the last 10 years. If you don't like people using is-boxer don't go into systems where there are 30 people with similar names, its a dead give away that something bad might happen. If you think its unfair that some people pay 30 billion ISK a month to plex their accounts to have this privilege well you also suck.
Is-Boxer is fair everybody can use it. If you don't it means you cant expect to solo people that do. Get some more friends and come back with a bigger fleet. I love how 1 person can pawn a whole fleet it makes you fell good. CCP stop killing the fun. |
RUS Comannder
Tremor Recorded Variable Enterprise Training Standards
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:39:34 -
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A lot of hairs will be split even those who see only black and white, there is still a lot of gray. I think the people who see in two starkly contrasting lights just don't really understand how it works. Hell, I don't understand how most of it works, but I have a question
One of the uses I have besides logging in and being able to have the screens for each account arrayed in small boxes across the top of the screen and the one I am actually working in taking up the other 90% of my 30 inch screen, is when I do housekeeping chores, like turning on broadcasting, which is almost always off, then hitting escape in the main window, whcih brings it up in all the other windows which have the same aspect ratio, then clicking on my working screen to clear the mail cache and the mail cache in all the accounts is cleared. Will I really have an unfair advantage doing that and stifle all the rest of the players?
Thank you. |
Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:40:06 -
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After making several past threads on the isboxing issue I am glad to see that CCP are finally doing the right thing.
It's akin to botting because the effects are the same and that isboxer supports argument is based only on a technicality. While we're bound to see a reduction in accounts from some heavy isboxer users, it can only be good for the game in the long run. The current situation was out of hand and was only worsening. |
Gregor Parud
762
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:44:24 -
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Finally, ISboxer faggotry is out. A bold move CCP but I DO like the "we're going to lose a whole bunch of ISboxer subs over this but it's better for the game". |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
824
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:45:56 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: You can very easily randomize the delay using most software solutions.
isbotter is obvious, randomized or not. You will be busted, for right.
GeeBee wrote:Mining Sucks, if someone wants to use isboxer to mine it should be fair game. if mining sucks, dont do it and leave the field for people who enjoy doing it, instead of destroying their play by your 60 botted miners.
Rain6637 wrote: no comment. but this is what i was thinking. curious if ISBoxer author will pull the plug on EVE or decide to make ISBoxer smarter, cuz that's all it would take. If you know what ISBoxer is capable of, you'd know there's no way for EVE to detect ISBoxer.
a lot of people need to wake up and smell the coffee. Multiboxing is the best way to play EVE.
the cries about "a multiboxer killed me" are bullshit. when you undock you sign off on whatever you encounter in space.
yo, if you feel smart, keep doing and enjoy your ban later. Eve doesnt have to recognize isbotter, players will. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1434
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:48:26 -
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RUS Comannder wrote: I only have-á12 accounts
That kind of quote makes me laugh
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25659
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:48:36 -
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but... nevermind.
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Agent Intrepid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:51:17 -
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Restrict Lennelluc wrote:I knew it would come down to this. So many butthurt EVE players whose endless rants and mindless chatter led to this. What do you expect from players who can't accomplish things on their own and resort to rage over others who do succeed. It goes to show that the havenots will always remain in their raging mindset and will stop at nothing to ruin other peoples fun.
With that being said, as of now all 15 accounts have been closed. Goodbye CCP, I will take myself elsewhere where a players time and currency spent ingame is appreciated.
P.S. I'm still LOLing due to the fact that us ISBoxers have had such a great impact on this game and so many players are butthurt due to us.
ISBoxers be proud and Box on!
If you require third party software to play EVE then you're a sad individual. Good riddance.
I laugh at people with 5 accounts who claim they will quit because of this. Why do you need software to multibox such a small number of accounts? I play more than that at once, manually, I don't require "special" help to play the game. |
La Doktoro
Blasphemous Intentions
3
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:52:23 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Finally, ISboxer faggotry is out. A bold move CCP but I DO like the "we're going to lose a whole bunch of ISboxer subs over this but it's better for the game".
IsBoxer isn't banned just one feature of it. The broadcast feature. one keypress or mouse click to many clients
A feature that can be worked around very easily and still be following the rules with nominal impact. I've already switched over |
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
941
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:02:40 -
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CCP. I love you man. I love you. You had never really lost my respect to begin with but if you had, just your actions in the past 6 months would have regained it. You are on an amazing streak of awesomeness, please keep it up.
I assume we'll see the number of bans and warnings after january 1st presented on Fanfest in March, right? Because that's some info I would love to see while sitting in a quiet ice belt without multiboxers. And the impact of this change is something I am very interested in seeing, mostly PLEX prices and market prices for just about anything.
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RUS Comannder
Tremor Recorded Variable Enterprise Training Standards
41
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:02:58 -
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Altrue wrote:RUS Comannder wrote: I only have-á12 accounts
That kind of quote makes me laugh
A long time ago when I started playing in 2004, no one knew this game would be around for long, so I specialized players to trade, to mine to pvp and to build. There was no Eve approved way to change one player to another person or even ot have three trained up to do three different jobs and just logon and logoff to whichever of them was needed you could not train more than one per account, and 15 buck for an account is nothing to me. If I had full use of the limbs I have, my monthly eve costs would not cover one green's fee where I used to play several time a week. Even though Ebay was then full of ships, characters and accounts, it was against the rules and I am a rule follower, not breaker.
So in the interest of time savings and meeting the tasks needed to be a well rounded player, I built a corp for myself, while having one player in a corp with 70 or so other friends.
Let me see if there is anything about you I can laugh about - oh wait, I don't do that. |
Hikemi Karrado
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:06:22 -
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Actually a good move from CCP to clarify that.
ISBoxer should now have a "comply to CCP rules" button so that users can decide if the want to risk a ban or not.
For me, I'm looking for an alternate product like ISBoxer. It's just too expensive (well, talking about the driver) for an "Eve display optimizer" with a concurrent logon feature. |
Comrade Blade
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
2
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:12:30 -
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1) Thank you CCP for a great change. Keep.up the awesome work. 2) Thank you whinging ISBoxers, your tears and threats to unsub have made the slow trip home from work so.much more enjoyable :) |
Dustpuppy
Rox Inc
23
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:13:01 -
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Hulky Boy wrote:Yes I'm cut, people need to have a cry because they suck and need to ruin this game for people that have actually made it over the last 10 years. If you don't like people using is-boxer don't go into systems where there are 30 people with similar names. [...]If you think its unfair that some people pay 30 billion ISK a month to plex their accounts to have this privilege well you also suck.
Please cry louder. I don't understand the part where you accuse the regular players ruining the (your?) game with this change.
As someone who owns 2 active accounts (not 12, 14, 20 or even more) I appreciate that people like you finally have to become normal again. \o/
You shouldn't have the legal possibility to use a third party tool which enables you to greatly increases your income ( I posted a comment from YT where ISboxers state to get 1.4 billion /hour to 6 billion/day). Telling me "everyone can do it" (aka cheat) doesn't change anything. Not I am ruining the game, people like you ruin the game.
I am paying for my accounts because I cannot afford spending so much time on earning isk/month and I am way below 1.4 billion isk/hour (more in the region of 20-60 million/hour).
All you do with ISboxer is earn enough isk to keep the accounts active with plex bought from the market. You don't pay cash, you only consume. Kicking people like you doesn't hurt the game. Plex will become chaeper again. Prices are already dropping (1 billion -> under 875k) and maybe at some point a regular player like me is able to purchase a plex on the market again. I plan to do this, not to pay for one ac but to use dual training.
So long and if you now cancel all your accounts:
1) Please give me your stuff 2) Go to another game and isbox there, I hope you like it (I recommend WOW) |
Shivanthar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:21:37 -
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I've read some posts after "Tears incoming" post in the first page.
TL;DR of all of this thing: -CCP Falcon: FussssSSsssSSSss-ROOOOOO-DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH on a subject. -Some Playerbase: "TearTearTearTear but I can live with that" -Some thinking they're special and this shouldn't be applied to them: "Gonna unsub EVEEERY one of my chars".
Result: Fair game. Now I know it. That ship staying there is manually controlled and focused by a single person. Finally...
_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
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Devious Johnson
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:21:51 -
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[Hulky Boy wrote:Yes I'm cut, people need to have a cry because they suck and need to ruin this game for people that have actually made it over the last 10 years. If you don't like people using is-boxer don't go into systems where there are 30 people with similar names, its a dead give away that something bad might happen. If you think its unfair that some people pay 30 billion ISK a month to plex their accounts to have this privilege well you also suck.
Is-Boxer is fair everybody can use it. If you don't it means you cant expect to solo people that do. Get some more friends and come back with a bigger fleet. I love how 1 person can pawn a whole fleet it makes you fell good. CCP stop killing the fun.
To all isboxers who are having a cry like the above botter.
- I am traveling around the universe visiting all the ice belts with a custom fitted epithal tear tanker. Please use the tanker provided and nearby barren planets will thank you.
Let the death of your playstyle green the earth. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2283
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:23:11 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: You can very easily randomize the delay using most software solutions.
isbotter is obvious, randomized or not. You will be busted, for right. Too bad I'm talking strictly about hardware macros done with mouse and keyboard drivers. My Logitech mouse has a scripting feature which can be used to do exactly what I described, and no ISBoxer is involved. For CCP to be able to detect that sort of thing on a broad scale, they'd need to utilize levels of spyware dickery that would make Israel's military blush.
Suggestion: learn how to read.
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Sturmwolke
595
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:23:31 -
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Well, this is the most significant thing that CCP has done for 2014, the question right now if they have the balls to stand firm on it. You can definitely expect proponents against this to go on a campaign/crusade/propaganda war to either nullify or attempt to bend it to maintain status quo.
Mutiplexed automation (i.e. ISBoxing) slowly killed the game, which then degenerated into very heavy metagaming. Not to say that EVE itself doesn't involve a certain amount of metagaming, the Age of ISBoxing screwed pretty much, most of the casuals/semi-casuals players*, squeezing them out from serious competition due to the economics of scale by the very few hardcore players. This parallels in RL where megacorps transforms into shadow governments after wielding too much influence through monopolies - an effective oligarchy. Common principle, concentrating powers into the hands of the few without checks and balance, will never end well, regardless of any justifications given.
Anyway, imo, this is a good move, belatedly 2-3 years late ... but better late than never.
* defined as normal avg players (at most 2-3 accounts). When you go to extremes by having 5-10 accounts, plus an ISKBoxer account, thats no longer average. Infact, that treads into the hardcore category.
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Lee Janssen
Zero Fun Allowed
25
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:23:38 -
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, no tears, only dreams now. |
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