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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:17:00 -
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I was going to take a break from EVE and set Wing Command V in a few days, when Command Ships V finished. It's also a Rank 8 skill, 34+ days training time. It would have been nice to come back from my break and have the prerequisites for the Fleet Command skill all done. How long do you suppose I've been paying for and playing this game to be looking forward to coming back from a break ready to train Fleet Command skill?
No need to guess. Here's the billing history:
2003-07-30 Sale wxyz AMEX 12.95 USD 2003-08-31 Sale wxyz AMEX 12.95 USD 2003-10-02 Sale wxyz AMEX 12.95 USD 2003-11-05 Sale wxyz AMEX 12.95 USD 2003-12-10 Sale wxyz AMEX 12.95 USD 2004-01-16 Sale wxyz AMEX 12.95 USD 2004-02-16 Sale wxyz AMEX 12.95 USD 2004-03-23 Sale wxyz AMEX 14.95 USD 2006-01-25 Sale wxyz AMEX 38.85 USD 2006-04-24 Sale wxyz AMEX 38.85 USD 2006-07-24 Sale wxyz AMEX 38.85 USD 2006-10-24 Sale wxyz AMEX 38.85 USD 2007-01-24 Sale wxyz AMEX 38.85 USD 2007-04-24 Sale wxyz AMEX 71.70 USD 2007-10-24 Sale wxyz AMEX 71.70 USD 2008-04-24 Sale wxyz AMEX 71.70 USD
But now I have no long-term pre-requisite to leave training as my account expires. It's not that I'm leaving because this change has made me mad; I was going to take a break anyway. But what incentive is there for me to come back? So I can pay for 2 month's game time to finish a level 5 skill that is a pre-req for another skill?
Fat chance.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:18:00 -
[3872]
128 pages of commentary from players in THIS thread alone. A total of 3-4 comments by CCP, most of which was telling people to be nice, 1 comment from a CCP Idiot stating that, regardless of what YOU want (the players), we still state this is a bug (not an advertised feature) and we are removing it.
I had planned on only allowing my 4 accounts to stay lapsed for a month as my protest to CCP over this, but the absolute "we don't give a Mother Fu... shit about you" from CCP....
I dealt with that type of corporate thinking over at SoE with John Smedley and permanently closed my accounts and looked elsewhere for my entertainment.
My 4 accounts, as I showed back about page 80ish are unsubscribed. They run out in between 17-28 days. I doubt I will be renewing them as planned after my 1 month protest.
Don't get me wrong here... I agree with removing ghost training, always seems to me that it's only fair to pay to play or advance ( I have never used ghost training btw). HOW this has been handled on the other hand, brings back a VERY bad taste in my mouth reminiscent of SoE and how THEY view their players and customers (I don't use ANY sony products, period, as a result of SoE's behavior).
So CCP, you have a great game. I truly love playing it, but.. corporate behavior like this, for me; IS a deal breaker. I in part, pay your wage and help keep your company solvent, as do all the other players of EVE. Have you forgotten this? Have you forgotten that it's US who ultimately pay YOUR wage? Treating us disrespectfully, as you have done with this, is an unsound business choice. And for me a deal breaker.
My accounts most likely will NOT be renewed. Hell I live in Hawai'i I am sure I can find much more enjoyable things to do with my time and 60 bucks a month, than sitting in front of a computer screen shooting at little red flashy guys who are shooting back at me (bouncing beach bunny boob watching for the win!).
I hope that CCP learns from this. That treating your customers with disdain and disrespect is a bad idea, but I fear you won't.
Stormwind Bloodfeather
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NupetietVer
Neuro Cartographic Services
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:19:00 -
[3873]
Hey, most MMO's you can't train while not playing?
Why don't we do like other MMO's, surely all other MMO's can't be wrong. You pay to play to train. |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:22:00 -
[3874]
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 15/10/2008 23:23:35 Last year, a friend of mine joined EVE after I showed it to him. Later, he lost his job and needed to cancel his sub for a while until he got new income. At my suggestion, he left Gallente BS V training before his account expired.
When he re-subbed, he logged in to find that Gallente BS V had not completed. We surmised that this might have been a bug due to the fact that he was logged in when his account expired and the server kicked him out. He filed a petition. After some consideration, THE GMS AGREED IT WAS A BUG THAT HIS SKILL DID NOT FINISH WHILE HIS ACCOUNT WAS INACTIVE, AND THEY GAVE HIM GALLENTE BATTLESHIP V SKILL.
Don't tell me that was a bug, too.
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Asith
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:23:00 -
[3875]
WEll if they gave us warn then i dont think there would have been a issue, but the fact is theyve decided to randomly do it and its a bit clear that this is more a money grabbing excercise |
Amarria Drezine
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather ....the absolute "we don't give a Mother Fu... shit about you" from CCP....
CCP did the same with every heavily protested change. Its disgusting that they have been treating us, paying customers, in such a way. |
northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:33:00 -
[3877]
Tesco just ran out of toilet paper! movement need to step in to refill with emergency supply's |
Akemi Tarazon
Caldari Romantic Devastator Resurgency
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:39:00 -
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My wish is simple. I want MY GHOST SKILL TRAINING back!!! It was clearly stated from the beginning on player's guide. It was encouraged by many cases, explicitly or implicitly. If you pull that out, you will pull out 3 accounts of mine as well.
Come out clean. Tell us you need extra income from EVE player base to develop so called "World of Darkness". Tell us you need extra dollars to hire fashion designer for costumes in "Walking station". I will full-heartedly support you with my money. But if you keep blatantly disguising your cause like korean MMO companies do, you will lose one more of your loyal customer.
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NupetietVer
Neuro Cartographic Services
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:42:00 -
[3879]
Don't hate CCP for practicing World of Darkness features on EVE. CCP's take on WoW will rock! |
Velda Chulai
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:44:00 -
[3880]
Crowd Control Productions: Keeping crowds away from your game. |
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Lana Ground
Caldari Galactic Accord State Navy Academy Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:47:00 -
[3881]
owell i give EVE until newyear then i think it's going down but THATS MY OPINION.....btw i think CCP should give everyone that 1hr of DT back so then we pay them for the FULL month of gametime ;) |
SunGod RA
Ministry of Destruction
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:50:00 -
[3882]
jeebus will you whiners just cancel your accounts already >.> |
NupetietVer
Neuro Cartographic Services
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:51:00 -
[3883]
Originally by: Lana Ground owell i give EVE until newyear then i think it's going down but THATS MY OPINION.....btw i think CCP should give everyone that 1hr of DT back so then we pay them for the FULL month of gametime ;)
CCP just changed the name of their "Game Time Card" to Electronic Time Code, so no dice there. Nice ninja move there. |
Lana Ground
Caldari Galactic Accord State Navy Academy Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: SunGod RA jeebus will you whiners just cancel your accounts already >.>
i have |
10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: 10of10 on 15/10/2008 23:53:41
Originally by: SunGod RA jeebus will you whiners just cancel your accounts already >.>
I'm trying but every time I reach for the button i get hit by a body that is being thrashed around by a ccp employee Oh wait thats you with you head stuck up his a** hitting me... |
Vietone
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:56:00 -
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When was it ever encouraged?
Did CCP ever say "Hey, while your training that 34 day skill, you can leave your account inactive and not play or pay us. Have Fun when you come back!!!.
No they never advertised this remotely in anyway or encouraged it. |
SunGod RA
Ministry of Destruction
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:56:00 -
[3887]
hopefully they will also ban inactive accounts from forum access =P |
Muschiu
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:56:00 -
[3888]
Originally by: NupetietVer Hey, most MMO's you can't train while not playing?
Why don't we do like other MMO's, surely all other MMO's can't be wrong. You pay to play to train.
i'm becoming sick of this "eve will be inline with others MMO" thing; can you name a single MMO where you need AT LEAST 1(ONE)YEAR of training to use an armor or a ****ing sword??? idiot! |
northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:56:00 -
[3889]
Originally by: SunGod RA jeebus will you whiners just cancel your accounts already >.>
as well as ending them self! I mean boo hoo !! deal with it people! |
NereSky
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:56:00 -
[3890]
Originally by: Vietone When was it ever encouraged?
Did CCP ever say "Hey, while your training that 34 day skill, you can leave your account inactive and not play or pay us. Have Fun when you come back!!!.
No they never advertised this remotely in anyway or encouraged it.
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ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:57:00 -
[3891]
Good evening to all on the front lines of are continuing battle against injustice, B.F.S., and the C.C.P. way. To all the great solders of the enduing fight, I say " HOLD OUT " and never despair for we in our ceaseless endurance, we shell be beholden upon high, Not by those below us and cause us our strife, but buy those that will measure themselves by our actions. Stand tall and let the light of rightness fall upon and root out those of the iniquitous responsibility. Fly with indignation and seize these creatures of dismay and rind them to a pulp. For we the true worriers of right shell live in the solace of our clear being. So now still is the time of our discontent. shell we go as so many, down with wavering? NO. We shell always continue unwaveringly. Henceforth we will expel the unforgiving, dirty, and greedy writhing mass. Cast it down upon the jagged rocks of decomposition, and stand guard over it, we shell, till at which time it has fluttered away on the winds of purity and virtue. so go forth we to stamp it out and disallow it further purchase on us or our brethren. Freedom we have and are, and no organization may take it from us. So we fight and fight we shell.
Comrades, Countrymen, Friends, till next we sweetly meet, stand strong.
"ISIAM"
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Ishukim
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:58:00 -
[3892]
omg people... just pay for the ****ing game!! whiners! |
Vangogh61
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:58:00 -
[3893]
I can understand CCP not wanting people to have accounts they bounce back and forth on, but they set up the training that way and sold the game that way. If they want to only train for active accounts at least let us train two characters at a time. That way you can be advancing along different lines. After nearly 3 years in the game I'm finally becoming a competent combat pilot, but heaven forbid I should want to go into manufacturing and have another 3 years to train that effectively. I have left a couple of times for RL issues and have been glad that I can come back and have something completed that maybe took 40 days. Next time I have to leave with everything being at a standstill, I will be much more reluctant to activate. |
Asperoth
Caldari Unwakeable Nightmare
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Asperoth on 16/10/2008 00:01:44 One final post for me. I just finished cancelling my 10 accounts. I won't likely be coming back to the boards while the remaining weeks tick off my various accounts.
For those who are saying that CCP is doing this out of greed, you are wrong. For every 1 person who now pays for the time they used to ghost train, there will be 5 others like myself who cancelled their accounts permanently as a matter of principle.
This is going to cost CCP money, lots of it. The decision to move forward with it is just yet another sign that they are disconnected from their playerbase and don't really understand us at all.
If CCP reverses this decision, I may come back. Otherwise, I'll be spending my game time playing Warhammer with my friends who obviously were far smarter than me and left this game long ago. |
James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:00:00 -
[3895]
Originally by: Ishukim omg people... just pay for the ****ing game!! whiners!
you are whining about whiners.
classic. |
trigg99
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:01:00 -
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im new to eve and was about to make a second account. seeing that ccp dont listen to there customers, I have now canceled subs! |
trigg59
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:02:00 -
[3897]
im new to eve and was about to make a second account. seeing that ccp dont listen to there customers, I have now canceled subs! |
Duskadantor
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: NereSky
Originally by: Vietone When was it ever encouraged?
Did CCP ever say "Hey, while your training that 34 day skill, you can leave your account inactive and not play or pay us. Have Fun when you come back!!!.
No they never advertised this remotely in anyway or encouraged it.
Dear me,
Has this person not read the hundreds of posts, and links to the eve player guide listing this as a feature, because they are everywhere! There are a few more people saying this has now also been removed since today. But follow the links my friend and you'll see true.
Oh, and I'm happy to play eve, as long as there are shiny, happy, people to play with. ( I need help with my fudging comma placement GRAAAR) I'd be happier still to now see those skill training 'improvement threads' come to fruition in the form of skill training ques! |
Maren Maen
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:06:00 -
[3899]
Is this thread a record yet?
(yes, just doing my part) |
ShikiMT
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:06:00 -
[3900]
i guess this is good bye. |
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