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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 16/10/2008 00:10:20
Originally by: Ishukim omg people... just pay for the ****ing game!! whiners!
I do pay for the game. On ALL of my accounts, non stop. I have never used Ghost Training. My Beef is HOW (not what) they did this. First the obvious shortness of the announcement, then the blatant lies, then the further blatant lies to cover up the first set of lies. Trying to blame it on lack of communication (wait.. you play the game for years and you don't KNOW this advertised feature, I thought BoB .. err I mean CCP always used it), and then basically telling everyone oh well just suck it up.
Personally, I have no problem with the change, and in fact agree with it. I DO on the other hand have a major problem with how it's been handled.
So do yourself a favor... Take a chill pill, relax a bit, read the 128 pages of this thread and understand that MOST people are not upset about the feature being removed, they are upset at HOW it's being handled by CCP.
Stormwind
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:08:00 -
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CCP this was an EPIC FAIL! seriously how much space or processor speed does it take to run something that isnt loged on? you have already lost dozens of accounts so what now?
EVE online home to 100k members and dropping every min. JOIN TODAY!
I dont even have a second account and i can see that this is sad. But your biggest mistake NOT REPLYING! Talk to us reconsider. |
StinkFinger
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:11:00 -
[3903]
hopefully this will lower gtc prices quite a bit...if it does, im all for it |
Asith
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger hopefully this will lower gtc prices quite a bit...if it does, im all for it
That will be the next thing they remove |
Felizardo
Caldari Dr. Sepulveda Laboratories
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:18:00 -
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Now that i plan to leave Eve for some months you guys fix this "bug"? And all the time iŠve been active i have been competing with pilots that had the benefit of "ghosting" while i was active all the time...
Hmmm, maybe i wont be back ever... |
SidViciousSG
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:21:00 -
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CCP's amateurish coverup attempts (ninja edits, hiding this very thread and lying about the unfortunate "technical difficulties") is a slap in the face for me. I've been playing since early '05 and eagerly introduced quite a few friends to the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMO.
Due to various circumstances, I took a few breaks from Eve throughout my "career", every single time, this very bug/feature was a deciding factor in my choice to renew my subscription.
While I can only speak for my own experience, believe me when I say that casually mentioning "Did you check on that long skill you set before unsubbing ? I bet it's done by now" actually bought people I know back to Eve.
@ CCP Wrangler: I'm sure your cow'orkers from marketing know better... |
Camdim
Caldari The first genesis Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:21:00 -
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Two issues with the change both can easily be fixed.
If an account does go in active there should be a grace period 1 week or so this helps anyone that gets really busy and or couldn't find a decent ( for them ) deal on a GTC or what have you. This helps the general populace at large incase real life intrudes.
Second issue I have alot of friends in the service many of them get deployed for 6m or more at a time. I know in the past you guys have help out the military folks. This needs to be done again so that these people that protect our freedoms and make the game possible get a little consideration. |
Asith
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Asith on 16/10/2008 00:38:20 Edited by: Asith on 16/10/2008 00:35:16 Man its hard to get to this thread via the main forum - there hiding it im sure
3800 + replys to this mmm if 1 in 4 of those replys represent one person CCP just ****ed off 1000players
how many will actually take action because of this proberly about 50 lol
CCP dont care as long as the majority are addicted to the game |
SunGod RA
Ministry of Destruction
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Asperoth This is going to cost CCP money, lots of it. The decision to move forward with it is just yet another sign that they are disconnected from their playerbase and don't really understand us at all.
mm, im part of the player base, and i welcome such a move. i don't mind either way, but i always found it a bit ******ed when i saw other players say "i'm canceling this account to train for battleship v", like you couldn't train it while playing. (of course now i understand that they had 5-10 other accounts to mess with etc etc.)
this move will only make things better overall, less alt proliferation, less character farming, less skillpoints dilution, and hopefully less whiny drama queens! although i'm sure people will find other things to whine about (with their canceled-then-reactivated-cuz-this-game-is-unique-etc accounts of course.) this is the whine-dimension after all!
plus, 10 accounts? jeebus. try going out a little once in a while, maybe you won't get your panties in a bunch so much over intarweb spaceships. |
Duskadantor
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Duskadantor on 16/10/2008 01:03:59 Guys please dont get CCP wrong with all of this talk of them trying to hide this thread. They have a link to this thread right on their homepage.
I've said it before & I'll say it again:
'EVE Home Page' Headline news 'Ghost Training to be Removed' More >>
'News Article' GHOST TRAINING TO BE REMOVED Please read this Dev Blog for more information.
Dev Blog takes you here...
'More Information' WHY GHOST TRAINING WAS DISABLED Then you click on 'comments'
Then your here!
Though after saying all this and reading the headline news, the ghosting headline is now 3rd from bottom. Though I think its just paranoia to believe that CCP are bombarding the headlines to bury such an article. |
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Battlecheese
Caldari Genbuku. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Duskadantor Edited by: Duskadantor on 16/10/2008 01:03:59 Guys please dont get CCP wrong with all of this talk of them trying to hide this thread. They have a link to this thread right on their homepage.
OI. don't talk sense! people are trying to whine in here!!!
Unrelated: Also, mentioning a tolerated bug in the user guide so that it can't only be exploited by people in the know does not equal "using it as a selling point". |
Dee Fisher
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:26:00 -
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Even though it won't effect me as I've never "ghost trained", I am another player who disagrees with your decision.
I DO understand business decisions, even when, as a consumer, I disagree. I, the consumer, also make business decisions.
That said, the reason I feel strongly enough to make this post is that I am insulted by the way you are implimenting this "fix"
It was CCP who promoted this "bug" as a feature for years....NOT the players. The players simply took advantage of the "feature" YOU offered, advertised and promoted.
Yet you insult me (I won't speak for others) by intending to suddenly make this change without at LEAST a few weeks notice. WHY? You further insulted me by your first so-called "explaination". (your second explaination carries little weight, you had your chance)
TRUTH goes a long way with me, it earns my respect even when I disagree.
So, I close with a question. Your answer, or lack thereof, will speak volumes to me an possible others.
The question is:
Is this how CCP intends to start treating its customer base now and in the future??
I await your reply. |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Battlecheese
OI. don't talk sense! people are trying to whine in here!!!
Unrelated: Also, mentioning a tolerated bug in the user guide so that it can't only be exploited by people in the know does not equal "using it as a selling point".
The online guide was advertising it as a feature and explaning how to make full use of it. Never ever, in this guy it was mentioned as a bug and its use was discoraged, on the contrary, it was encouraged! No manual or guide mention bugs and encourage their use, that is a ridiculous statement.
This is and always has been a feature. A feature that has been removed to the cost of the player base in a coward and insidious way. |
Taruga Seolry
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:32:00 -
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Really stupid idea with stupid lie.
I have played EVE just 4 month and my 2 account is always active. You CCP shoud remember how UO(Ultima Online)fail in the market. EA wanted to increase user and they addd PVP safe world named 'Renaissance'. It removed UO's basic game characteristics and led many old players quit.
Now, time for EVE ? I really wanna ask.
I do not believe CCP imagine this measure will wake up many ghost account and bring alot of $$ to CCP. Ghost skill trainning is a kind of hidden string which can make ppls back to EVE and also it can be the basic EVE's characteristics. I am worry about the situation like below. 1. CCP wanna $ and remove important characteristic. 2. Old and new ppls leave EVE. 3. Most important characteristic, The Ecomony system, will come to ruin. 4. The more ppls leave EVE.
I really hope EVE do not go same way to UO.. |
NupetietVer
Neuro Cartographic Services
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:39:00 -
[3915]
Edited by: NupetietVer on 16/10/2008 01:44:20
Dee Fisher: "Even though it won't effect me as I've never "ghost trained", I am another player who disagrees with your decision."
For a 1 month player, you will understand later on. |
Battlecheese
Caldari Genbuku. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dee Fisher Yet you insult me (I won't speak for others) by intending to suddenly make this change without at LEAST a few weeks notice. WHY?
Well, it's not rocket science - they probably looked at their weekly spreadsheets and noticed that 95% of all of the PowerOf2 accounts were ghosting rather than continuing their subscription... |
Ching Chongchang
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:48:00 -
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Whether or not this is a good idea - which it really isn't for any of a number of reasons, which many of you fail to grasp - is beside the point.
This isn't "an outrage" and is very honestly not something that warrants a 4 page flame fest (let alone 130 pages). CCP is enacting a policy that only serves to discourage people from taking a break from the game. What that means isn't that fewer people will actually leave the game, but that fewer people will have a carrot to come back.
The community at large sickens me though... Why do you feel that it's your God given right to make use of CCP's resources for free if they decide its time for you to be paying? Get over yourselves already and support a product you clearly enjoy. If you want to play the game, f***ing pay for it. If you don't enjoy the game, WHY ARE YOU HERE?
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David Goldline
Gallente MetaMind Deep Space Explorations
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:55:00 -
[3918]
Edited by: David Goldline on 16/10/2008 02:10:28 Horrible idea. in a way they are removing "real time skill training" (thats my logic)
-tactical facepalm- >>> http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9255/isabugne7.jpg
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IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:01:00 -
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can we like split this in 2 diffrent topics ?
those people that have emorage at ccp because they lied to them multiple on this 1 issue alone
and those that have emorage about there being no more what was apparently called ghost training
yes no maby idk im scared ? |
Duvaren
Amarr The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:07:00 -
[3920]
Question:
Has CCP responded to the player base outrage yet? (Officially) |
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler As the recent news stated, we will disable the ability to train skills on a suspended account. Since this has caused a lot of debate we've decided to explain why we are making this change in a new Dev Blog by t0rfifrans: Why ghost training was disabled.
let's see... used to buy the 90 day GTC (which no longer exist due to yet other BRILLIANT thinking at ccp), play the accounts, when a 90 day would end, let that account lapse while a 30+ day skill trained then come back and do another 90 day gtc...
so, instead of one account active all the time and 2-4 on and off (giving well over a single account in a year's time), you now get a single account paid for. period.
yes, i can see how LOSING money on the part of ccp from one horrid idea after another (jacked the GTCs, now this crap), is bound to MAKE ccp money.
yes, brilliant indeed! |
IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:24:00 -
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somewhere in those 129 pages there is a response from torfi that prety much reads like this
"oops we didnt know that we had that documented but we arnt gona chance our decision" |
Grimm Starling
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:35:00 -
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This is unfortunate.
A bad decision that will not only hurt your player base but your business as well. Removing a unique incentive for customer retention will earn you no accolades and bring no extra dollars for your company.
I urge you to consider the examples in our industry which have shown that bad changes in the name of 'game balance' are still bad changes. |
BoungaBounga
Secret Order of the Cats
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:36:00 -
[3924]
Another post whining about topic. |
Duskadantor
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:37:00 -
[3925]
Edited by: Duskadantor on 16/10/2008 02:45:22 Edited by: Duskadantor on 16/10/2008 02:40:33
Originally by: Battlecheese
Originally by: Dee Fisher Yet you insult me (I won't speak for others) by intending to suddenly make this change without at LEAST a few weeks notice. WHY?
Well, it's not rocket science - they probably looked at their weekly spreadsheets and noticed that 95% of all of the PowerOf2 accounts were ghosting rather than continuing their subscription...
So ghosting stunted the predicted returns from whatever number of folk who signed up?
I think the next time 'the power of two' offer comes it won't be nearly as popular as the one just ended. Not just because of the end of ghosting but because of how so many folk signed up with plans. Plans of how they would level up their character (to possibly ghost) and then be told about the removal of the 5 year long bug right after the offer ends.
This unlucky timing and unfortunate PR has quite possibly runined the appeal of such an offer, knock on effect would also ruin CCP $$$ right?
So, the 'power of two' offer may also leave a bitter taste in the mouth many who learn of the facts. Me myself though, I'm a one account guy. I'm just way too tight with my cash to have two accounts.
"No bitterness here, no siree bob" |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ching Chongchang Whether or not this is a good idea - which it really isn't for any of a number of reasons, which many of you fail to grasp - is beside the point.
This isn't "an outrage" and is very honestly not something that warrants a 4 page flame fest (let alone 130 pages). CCP is enacting a policy that only serves to discourage people from taking a break from the game. What that means isn't that fewer people will actually leave the game, but that fewer people will have a carrot to come back.
The community at large sickens me though... Why do you feel that it's your God given right to make use of CCP's resources for free if they decide its time for you to be paying? Get over yourselves already and support a product you clearly enjoy. If you want to play the game, f***ing pay for it. If you don't enjoy the game, WHY ARE YOU HERE?
like i said, instead of getting the equivalent of 3-4 accounts worth of pay, yearly, from me, they'll now get exactly one account's worth of pay, yearly from me.
why is that so hard to understand?
people who play multiple toons/accounts probably actually PLAY them and that one person might actually pay more ANNUALLY, even with taking a month off here and there on one of their 3-8 accounts?
i know, crazy talk. some people aren't good at the maths.
kinda like the GTC stuff of late... more not-good math there. |
Simpler Plan
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:46:00 -
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i was right outside the door due to the lag issues your servers keep having that ccp avoids admitting until a corp mate gave me a reason to stay. and now ccp decided to do this
makes me wish i locked myself outside
i hope ccp sees this and decides to read what everyone feels on this subject bc this is rediclous.
a bug thats been around for almost 5 year? yeah right. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: SunGod RA
Originally by: Asperoth This is going to cost CCP money, lots of it. The decision to move forward with it is just yet another sign that they are disconnected from their playerbase and don't really understand us at all.
mm, im part of the player base, and i welcome such a move. i don't mind either way, but i always found it a bit ******ed when i saw other players say "i'm canceling this account to train for battleship v", like you couldn't train it while playing. (of course now i understand that they had 5-10 other accounts to mess with etc etc.)
this move will only make things better overall, less alt proliferation, less character farming, less skillpoints dilution, and hopefully less whiny drama queens! although i'm sure people will find other things to whine about (with their canceled-then-reactivated-cuz-this-game-is-unique-etc accounts of course.) this is the whine-dimension after all!
plus, 10 accounts? jeebus. try going out a little once in a while, maybe you won't get your panties in a bunch so much over intarweb spaceships.
i, for one, welcome our new alien ant overlords.
perhaps we can see them at this year's fanfest! |
Parasite S
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
like i said, instead of getting the equivalent of 3-4 accounts worth of pay, yearly, from me, they'll now get exactly one account's worth of pay, yearly from me.
why is that so hard to understand?
people who play multiple toons/accounts probably actually PLAY them and that one person might actually pay more ANNUALLY, even with taking a month off here and there on one of their 3-8 accounts?
i know, crazy talk. some people aren't good at the maths.
kinda like the GTC stuff of late... more not-good math there.
well thats just typical CCP. they claim to play the game like everyone else but wasnt it like a year before? you know where they invited lots and lots of poeple to acctualy "feel and test the lag"? if so much people by ccp really have the same experience at we such crap hadnt to be done.... now we see ccp`s unknowingness about their further and further away from them moving playerbase again.... |
Nova
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:17:00 -
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makes no cents to me but then i guess ccp doesn't need the extra cents of my alts bad move ccp |
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