Originally by: StickyFingerz

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Vile rat

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I don't understand. Can you please post this in the form of a long winded diatribe that nobody on earth will ever read? Thanks!

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Sure

If you feel able to comment in the form of a constructive post on the subject then be my guest.

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Ok sure. Your whole post was complete garbage and you don't even have the basic facts of what occured correct. It doesn't matter how many words you throw around if you can't prove you have even a novice understanding of the circumstances at hand. Also you appear to be an irrelevant lowsec gate camper who seems to be commenting on details concerning sovereignty and its defense.

Posting in threads full of important people discussing important events does not make you important, just a has been trapped in 2005 who pines for simpler days where you could run your mouth off and people would be impressed by big words instead of noticing what a complete fraud you always have been.

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wowo, big nasty words; Daddy spell check that for you ?

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/02/2009 17:34:32

Originally by: Connor Pjalente

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Originally by: Shadoo

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Originally by: darth solo

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half of eve against BOB and ya wonder why u dont get any fights.


looking forward to the eve nap fest killing eachother soon tbh.

d solo.

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I don't normally respond to these kinda retarted spouts of angry posts from victims of severe trauma, such as mr. solo here -- but ok. I will bite.

Let's examine involved parties based on KB Stats in the last week or so, shall we mr. fountain of truth and justice!

Left Corner: KFC (Kenny Friends Coalition)

KenZoku: 3441
Executive Outcomes: 1830
Axiom Empire: 1231
Skunk-Works: 968
Strip Mining Club: 275
INTERDICTION: 275
Southern Cross Alliance: 1281
Confederation of Independent Corporations: 200
R.U.R.: 211
HUN Reloaded: 123
X13 Alliance: 191
Blade.: 435
BeachBoys: 207
Cardshark Influence: 172
Against All Authorities: 2024
Stain Empire: 473
C0VEN: 525
ATLAS: 1121
Systematic-Chaos: 1031
RED.OverLord: 319

TOTAL: 16333 pod pilots

Right Corner: "Half of EVE"

Goonswarm: 5363
Morsus Mihi: 2771
Razor Alliance: 1956
Tau Ceti Federation: 1568
Pandemic Legion: 877
Sons of Tangra: 1067
Zenith Affinity: 371
KIA Alliance: 693

TOTAL: 14666 pod pilots

Guys, guys!!! They're OUT BLOBBING US!!! TO THE COAD!!!

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YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. It is grossly unfair that Kenny has to defend their towers without half a dozen titans camping the gate under a jammer. This even playingfield is just too much to handle.

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Something tells me you guys won't exactly be willing to do without the advantages of cyno-jammers, bridges and titan defense in jump-denied systems in a few weeks little goonie. If anything this whole shindig has just gone to prove what everyone sensible has ever said about the problems of the current sovereignty system and overwhelming defense bonus of POS equipment.

If war in 0.0 becomes a polarity between:

A) They have cyno-jammers and titans = no force in the known universe can take their space.

B) We have a director level spy in their executor corp and can turn off their sovereignty = auto win for the larger side.

You know you have a problem in game balance.

Lets face it if somebody was planning a campaign against say RAZOR right now - what would be the sensible option?

A) buying 500 deathstars and assembling a massive "coalition of the willing" and bringing a cap fleet to darken the skies (tm).

or

B) Lets have a whip-round and see how much raw ISK we can put into a pot to bribe an executor corp director to zero their sovereignty.

Now sure, you still need a force to go in there and actually put up the new towers but compared to the absolute impossibility of taking territory from a half way competent defense force with jammers/titans thats the current state of the game in a nutshell.

Conclusion.

The goons are probably due some thanks for graphically demonstrating to the universe of Eve that sovereignty is so hilariously broken that its only possible to take territory from a competent opponent by bribing their directors to self-destruct.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Your entire argument is based off of a false dichotomy to begin with and really shouldn't be taken seriously by anybody. The best you can do is throw around logical fallacies and you should probably stop posting forever.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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words

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/02/2009 18:32:14

Originally by: Vile rat

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Your entire argument is based off of a false dichotomy to begin with and really shouldn't be taken seriously by anybody. The best you can do is throw around logical fallacies and you should probably stop posting forever.

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Did you copy and paste that from a wikipedia article on nerd verbiage Vile Rat? I'm not sure you understand this whole internet discussion thing.

Let me explain it to you.

One person has a point of view and expresses an opinion.

Another person has the option of agreeing or disagreeing and if choosing the latter course has something of an obligation to support the demurral with some kind of debate or exposition of their own.

Now, its commonly accepted that if the reply to the initial statement is nothing more than fatuous comedic meme-posting or throwaway snippy digs then its a virtual yielding of the point and nothing more needs to be said.

This in essence is how we do combat in the realm of forum discussions!

In order to "win" you need to do one of the following:

A) convince the person you are arguing with that they are wrong!
B) convince the neutral audience to the discussion that you are right!
C) annoy irritate or fluster your opponent to such a degree that they lose their poise and retire in a shower of blushing tears and imprecations on your lineage and ancestry!

Now, it seems that you are failing quite convincingly on options A+B. Sorry about that old bean but those are breaks, we're not all born with dashing wit and rapier intellect and I guess the swarm is a nice security blanket for those incapable of measuring up to the single combat of intellectual repartee!

So you always have option C to fall back on. It might even work! Many goons have tried and failed of course and the history of such endeavours is littered with shattered virtual egos and slaughtered bees but maybe you'll be the exception and the lucky one this time!

Bravo Sir Bravo!

I can't help but respect the courage of an insect trying to stand up against a deadly threat to the integrity of the swarm on some level - though doomed as your fellows you might yet win some marginal notation in the collective history of your nation.

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Originally by: Gefunkt

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I'm so glad we have Jade Constantine around to set us straight on all matters related to internet forums. Thank you Jade. I mean that. Goons wouldn't know what to do on a forum without your leadership.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/02/2009 18:32:14

Originally by: Vile rat

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Your entire argument is based off of a false dichotomy to begin with and really shouldn't be taken seriously by anybody. The best you can do is throw around logical fallacies and you should probably stop posting forever.

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Did you copy and paste that from a wikipedia article on nerd verbiage Vile Rat? I'm not sure you understand this whole internet discussion thing.

Let me explain it to you.

One person has a point of view and expresses an opinion.

Another person has the option of agreeing or disagreeing and if choosing the latter course has something of an obligation to support the demurral with some kind of debate or exposition of their own.

Now, its commonly accepted that if the reply to the initial statement is nothing more than fatuous comedic meme-posting or throwaway snippy digs then its a virtual yielding of the point and nothing more needs to be said.

This in essence is how we do combat in the realm of forum discussions!

In order to "win" you need to do one of the following:

A) convince the person you are arguing with that they are wrong!
B) convince the neutral audience to the discussion that you are right!
C) annoy irritate or fluster your opponent to such a degree that they lose their poise and retire in a shower of blushing tears and imprecations on your lineage and ancestry!

Now, it seems that you are failing quite convincingly on options A+B. Sorry about that old bean but those are breaks, we're not all born with dashing wit and rapier intellect and I guess the swarm is a nice security blanket for those incapable of measuring up to the single combat of intellectual repartee!

So you always have option C to fall back on. It might even work! Many goons have tried and failed of course and the history of such endeavours is littered with shattered virtual egos and slaughtered bees but maybe you'll be the exception and the lucky one this time!

Bravo Sir Bravo!

I can't help but respect the courage of an insect trying to stand up against a deadly threat to the integrity of the swarm on some level - though doomed as your fellows you might yet win some marginal notation in the collective history of your nation.

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If war in 0.0 becomes a polarity between:

A) They have cyno-jammers and titans = no force in the known universe can take their space.

B) We have a director level spy in their executor corp and can turn off their sovereignty = auto win for the larger side.

You know you have a problem in game balance.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Gefunkt

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I'm so glad we have Jade Constantine around to set us straight on all matters related to internet forums. Thank you Jade. I mean that. Goons wouldn't know what to do on a forum without your leadership.

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Well, you know. I had to say something there. You guys were kinda embarrassing yourselves and looking silly. At least now you know the rules of the game you have a chance to compete.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/02/2009 18:32:14

Originally by: Vile rat

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Your entire argument is based off of a false dichotomy to begin with and really shouldn't be taken seriously by anybody. The best you can do is throw around logical fallacies and you should probably stop posting forever.

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Did you copy and paste that from a wikipedia article on nerd verbiage Vile Rat? I'm not sure you understand this whole internet discussion thing.

Let me explain it to you.

One person has a point of view and expresses an opinion.

Another person has the option of agreeing or disagreeing and if choosing the latter course has something of an obligation to support the demurral with some kind of debate or exposition of their own.

Now, its commonly accepted that if the reply to the initial statement is nothing more than fatuous comedic meme-posting or throwaway snippy digs then its a virtual yielding of the point and nothing more needs to be said.

This in essence is how we do combat in the realm of forum discussions!

In order to "win" you need to do one of the following:

A) convince the person you are arguing with that they are wrong!
B) convince the neutral audience to the discussion that you are right!
C) annoy irritate or fluster your opponent to such a degree that they lose their poise and retire in a shower of blushing tears and imprecations on your lineage and ancestry!

Now, it seems that you are failing quite convincingly on options A+B. Sorry about that old bean but those are breaks, we're not all born with dashing wit and rapier intellect and I guess the swarm is a nice security blanket for those incapable of measuring up to the single combat of intellectual repartee!

So you always have option C to fall back on. It might even work! Many goons have tried and failed of course and the history of such endeavours is littered with shattered virtual egos and slaughtered bees but maybe you'll be the exception and the lucky one this time!

Bravo Sir Bravo!

I can't help but respect the courage of an insect trying to stand up against a deadly threat to the integrity of the swarm on some level - though doomed as your fellows you might yet win some marginal notation in the collective history of your nation.

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Originally by: Gefunkt

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Gefunkt

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I'm so glad we have Jade Constantine around to set us straight on all matters related to internet forums. Thank you Jade. I mean that. Goons wouldn't know what to do on a forum without your leadership.

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Well, you know. I had to say something there. You guys were kinda embarrassing yourselves and looking silly. At least now you know the rules of the game you have a chance to compete.

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Actually I was just kidding.

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Originally by: Some GS guy

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We didn't bribe Hargoth (or words to that effect)

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Maybe in the future it might help your chances of winning a forum war who knows?

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Originally by: Yarik Mendel

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Jade, we all know you're a dishonest debater.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Yarik Mendel

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Jade, we all know you're a dishonest debater.

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Well mr Mendel, I'm impressed that you've been entrusted with the collective opinions of well everyone that must be quite a responsibility on your shoulders!

But forum-wars, like politics, like campaigns and military stunts really give no points for integrity in debate. Winning is what counts old chap. And as I've explained to the goons in the posts above what counts is persuading people not neccessarily being right (or getting them to burst into tears of virtual angst of course) thats effective too in its own way.

Toodle-pip!

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Well mr Mendel, I'm impressed that you've been entrusted with the collective opinions of well everyone that must be quite a responsibility on your shoulders!

But forum-wars, like politics, like campaigns and military stunts really give no points for integrity in debate. Winning is what counts old chap. And as I've explained to the goons in the posts above what counts is persuading people not neccessarily being right (or getting them to burst into tears of virtual angst of course) thats effective too in its own way.

Toodle-pip!

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Originally by: Popperr

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Well mr Mendel, I'm impressed that you've been entrusted with the collective opinions of well everyone that must be quite a responsibility on your shoulders!

But forum-wars, like politics, like campaigns and military stunts really give no points for integrity in debate. Winning is what counts old chap. And as I've explained to the goons in the posts above what counts is persuading people not neccessarily being right (or getting them to burst into tears of virtual angst of course) thats effective too in its own way.

Toodle-pip!

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you realise your spergin is only so much sound and fury signifying nothing and shallow as a mill pond, if you would debate maybe you could talk like a grown up instead of a little child

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Originally by: Doctor Penguin

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Sadly the rules of the internet debate is that the people with the most alts wins. All you do is argue with somebody until they quit the thread, but when GS has 5000 people to spam hate with, you can't stop them.

The trick with GS is to ignore them.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Doctor Penguin

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Sadly the rules of the internet debate is that the people with the most alts wins. All you do is argue with somebody until they quit the thread, but when GS has 5000 people to spam hate with, you can't stop them.

The trick with GS is to ignore them.

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Ah Doctor, it doesn't work quite like that. You see the act of posting with an alt is an admission of failure. The person doing it knows that. They see that failure etched on the lines of their face when they look in the mirror in the morning - in the eyes of their girlfiends mixed and mingled with the disappointment and disillusionment at things that were not to be.

To inspire an enemy to conjure alts to shout at you is to win. When a single post from a heroic individualist poster can cause a wave of barely-literate snuffling grunts and meme-coughing in response that victory is secured.

This brain goon knows his stuff Sir, he knows that victory for the hive comes when all dissenting voices are stilled and cultural dominance is assured and his tools in this conflict are alts and nonsense and poorly-briefed drones of cause - but ignoring all the swarm is the wrong approach.

Pick and choose Sir! Duck and weave and select your moment carefully. Kill one here and there, execute an ego with precision and decapitate a fallacy with a swift backhand cut and then retire to a safe distance to watch the amusing results.

The rank and file can only burble repetitive groans and clanking unwieldy internet terms barely capable of shielding their weak bodies from attack.

But as the hive grows restive and aroused it will eventually summon the big beasts from the depths and those are the vulnerable targets - the end of level bad guys if you will. Irritate the drones with debate and eventually you'll summon a mittani or a darius and thats where you need to be shooting.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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I don't understand. Can you please post this in the form of a long winded diatribe that nobody on earth will ever read? Thanks!

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/02/2009 19:00:07

Originally by: Doctor Penguin

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Sadly the rules of the internet debate is that the people with the most alts wins. All you do is argue with somebody until they quit the thread, but when GS has 5000 people to spam hate with, you can't stop them.

The trick with GS is to ignore them.

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Ah Doctor, it doesn't work quite like that. You see the act of posting with an alt is an admission of failure. The person doing it knows that. They see that failure etched on the lines of their face when they look in the mirror in the morning - in the eyes of their girlfiends mixed and mingled with the disappointment and disillusionment at things that were not to be.

To inspire an enemy to conjure alts to shout at you is to win. When a single post from a heroic individualist poster can cause a wave of barely-literate snuffling grunts and meme-coughing in response that victory is secured.

This brain goon knows his stuff Sir, he knows that victory for the hive comes when all dissenting voices are stilled and cultural dominance is assured and his tools in this conflict are alts and nonsense and poorly-briefed drones of course - but ignoring all the swarm is the wrong approach.

Pick and choose Sir! Duck and weave and select your moment carefully. Kill one here and there, execute an ego with precision and decapitate a fallacy with a swift backhand cut and then retire to a safe distance to watch the amusing results.

The rank and file can only burble repetitive groans and clanking unwieldy internet terms barely capable of shielding their weak bodies from attack.

But as the hive grows restive and aroused it will eventually summon the big beasts from the depths and those are the vulnerable targets - the end of level bad guys if you will. Irritate the drones with debate and eventually you'll summon a mittani or a darius and thats where you need to be shooting.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Avon

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Wow, look at all the goonanger.
lolz

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Its rather telling

I'm so irrelevent that any post I make has the goon internet spymaster supreme arriving in under 10 minutes to show his troops the prefered tactic for dealing with rhetorical dissent - almost like he has my name flagged on the GIA echelon/jabber client ...

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/02/2009 19:00:07

Originally by: Doctor Penguin

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Sadly the rules of the internet debate is that the people with the most alts wins. All you do is argue with somebody until they quit the thread, but when GS has 5000 people to spam hate with, you can't stop them.

The trick with GS is to ignore them.

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Ah Doctor, it doesn't work quite like that. You see the act of posting with an alt is an admission of failure. The person doing it knows that. They see that failure etched on the lines of their face when they look in the mirror in the morning - in the eyes of their girlfiends mixed and mingled with the disappointment and disillusionment at things that were not to be.

To inspire an enemy to conjure alts to shout at you is to win. When a single post from a heroic individualist poster can cause a wave of barely-literate snuffling grunts and meme-coughing in response that victory is secured.

This brain goon knows his stuff Sir, he knows that victory for the hive comes when all dissenting voices are stilled and cultural dominance is assured and his tools in this conflict are alts and nonsense and poorly-briefed drones of course - but ignoring all the swarm is the wrong approach.

Pick and choose Sir! Duck and weave and select your moment carefully. Kill one here and there, execute an ego with precision and decapitate a fallacy with a swift backhand cut and then retire to a safe distance to watch the amusing results.

The rank and file can only burble repetitive groans and clanking unwieldy internet terms barely capable of shielding their weak bodies from attack.

But as the hive grows restive and aroused it will eventually summon the big beasts from the depths and those are the vulnerable targets - the end of level bad guys if you will. Irritate the drones with debate and eventually you'll summon a mittani or a darius and thats where you need to be shooting.

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