I did not know Arnon was on the protected list. So if I complain to a GM about the 2 can flipers that got me last month in Arnon when I was only weeks old then I can get them baned. Hmm and it so happens they both have posted in threads like this one recently as well. I can see the fear they have in their posts. They are guilty of this and it is not just me, they have done this repeatedly to many rookies in Arnon. It is what they do daily. The people that do this do it as a way of life. Grief on the newbies.
I think the GM's know this as well. That is why they come down on them so hard. It is never just one mistake like some of these posters want you to believe. They prey upon the rookies as a way of life and are most upset that the GM's are making their playstyle off limits.

P.S. The GM said in red outlined text can flippers are griefing new players in starter systems (and that is not allowed) and then went on to name the starter systems which includes Arnon. As of right now this very moment in time there are at least 30 can flippers working Arnon. The GM's can target 30 some players already for violation to this rule.

Alright, instead of arguing this any further. Here one for you guys. I am sure that most of you understand our goals, now assuming you had ZERO development time, how would YOU word a policy that achieves these goals?

Jesus, you people...

Rookie: A player 14 days old or less, flying entry-level ships (frigates, low end cruisers/mining vessels). If said player has any other character or account older than 14 days they do not count as a rookie. Any protection void if the rookie started a conflict via smack talk (inviting you to shoot them, specifically) or aggression (do not engage unless they signal they wish to fight - for example, they take from your container and target lock you, or they say as such via smack).

Still some loopholes, but I have faith that the GMs will apply their own judgement in loophole cases. After all, enforcement of this would get a lot of special attention since it's an oppertunity for CCP to dip their fingers into peoples' wallets.

This is a very easy question. You cannot fly anything but a tech 1 frigate or destroyer on a trial account (maybe a cruiser too?). If you see someone in any other ship then they have paid for an account, ccp has their money, fire away.

I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way.

They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten.

But I think.....

what happened to considering my idea, since your long list (with the capitalized PLAYER and CHARACTER) seem to be responding to my argument.


No need for exceptions. You leave the system, you're a target. Feel free to change the # of days, but thats the same as a trial period.

one problem with that is one of the starter tutorial agents sends you out of system (basicly teaching you how to navigate from a-b in eve)

That sounds like an excellent opportunity to teach them about the rules of the game, including things like not carrying everything they own in one shipGǪ

think back to your first time playing eve being a day or 2 old and the things you used to do back then that now you look back on and go "wtf was i thinking?" generaly newbies have NO clue on a lot of things including how agression etc works, concord intervention etc. basicly complete newbies are just that, newbies with no idea.
too harsh from the get go and newbies aren't going to stick round and learn this game and long term lack of new subscribers WILL hurt eve as a whole.

PS if you REALLY want to gank newbies that badly

]GǪand that's why they need to be taught, not be tricked into playing a game that doesn't work the way the game actually works. It's also the reason why the rules need to be clear: because otherwise they'll be impossible for the newbies to understand (even more so than for the older players).

]Does EVE's NPE leave something to be desired? Yes. That is not reason to have the GMs operate on fundamentally flawed and counter-productive policies that break more than they solve; it's a reason to fix the NPE.

Wouldn't you agree the best thing to do, is just leave them alone? Or else. That's how I red this. Probably a good thing not to mess with it. Just saying.

IN case your messing the point, I really really don't think we need more Rookie systems. Do you?

Trust me on this. Ban Hammer starts dropping. They will be left alone, players will get the message. Trust me on this will ya.

Ruby, I didn't make the GD policy. lol

Well, I have to admit, a few things do get by me, my bad, stupid, thick, however you want to say. I'm guilty.
But, I can say I get the message here, at least I think I do.

Now for you. I gotta say, regardless of what I think or do. I do see slight glimmers of reason in some of your posts. Kinda respect ya. well sort of.

But that thread you were mouthing of in yesterday, with that ******. I think the thread got removed. Guy saying he was glad he run off a husband & wife mining team and all. Well ya got me wondering again.

Anything questionable is not a rookie.

Should you have to stake your account on that bet?

On this matter I don't consider it a gamble.

Rookie is not defined. That means that it is a gamble, no matter how you consider it.

Besides that, should the stakes automatically be your account?

I fail to see how people realizing that the game isn't a good fit for their preferences is a bad thing; either for the game or for them. The sad thing is people taking so long to realize it. If the game's not a good fit for them, they will be happier once they find a game that does suit them.

That said, you do have to protect people (and do so effectively) for long enough that they have the opportunity to learn about the game and thus the opportunity to make an informed decision.

Should they fail to use that opportunity, thus robbing themselves of the opportunity to make an informed decision (as that mining team did), the time they waste on a game they don't enjoy is on them. People refusing to inform themselves while making the decision to continue playing is not a reason to change the game.

Unfortunately Ruby it seems you just don't get it. That's fine. My suggestion would be to simply avoid all rookie systems while considering any hostile or aggressive action. Also, if the thought crosses your mind that you wish to hunt or harm newbies or your corp or alliance wants to cause harm to them any way your better off just avoiding it all together. Log off or go rat or mine. Or move out to low/null sec avoid the problem all together? Finally, remove words like noob, newb, nub, from your in game vocabulary. See anyone under 6-12 months then turn tail and run, zero interaction. Oh and if they tackle you just sit there and let them kill you. Then you will be all good.

OR trust your better judgement.