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RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:10:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Killer Gandry wrote: The great Isksink, that datacores are called
The are not called isk-sink, but isk-faucet. And even that is wrong.
How in the world do Datacores add ISK to the economy?
ISK Faucets occur when NPCs pay ISK to Players (bounties, etc).
ISK Sinks occur when Players pay ISK to NPCs. (factory rent, etc).
Data Cores add no ISK to the economy and result in no ISK being removed. They're neutral on the sink-faucet spectrum. Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:52:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote: If you had bothered to read the thread you would have caught on on the sarcasm that was used in the naming of Isk Sink.
Fine, I hadn't bothered to read the whole thread. It grew rather long and I am more interested in the facts that come out of this.
RubyPorto wrote:Cebraio wrote:Killer Gandry wrote: The great Isksink, that datacores are called
The are not called isk-sink, but isk-faucet. And even that is wrong. How in the world do Datacores add ISK to the economy? ISK Faucets occur when NPCs pay ISK to Players (bounties, etc). ISK Sinks occur when Players pay ISK to NPCs. (factory rent, etc). Data Cores add no ISK to the economy and result in no ISK being removed. They're neutral on the sink-faucet spectrum.
If you have directed this explanation to me, you targeted the wrong person. I never said they were sinks or faucets. But thanks for summing up what we already knew. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1219
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Posted - 2012.05.07 13:51:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, did somebody else notice the deafening silence of the CSM about this issue?
What are you looking for exactly? If I was still a CSM my response would be something like this:
"You mean they're giving FW a reason to exist AND nerfing passive highsec income? Awesome."
Are you looking for that? I can give you that if you'd like. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
396
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Posted - 2012.05.07 13:59:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, did somebody else notice the deafening silence of the CSM about this issue? What are you looking for exactly? If I was still a CSM my response would be something like this: "You mean they're giving FW a reason to exist AND nerfing passive highsec income? Awesome." Are you looking for that? I can give you that if you'd like.
Hadn't expected else from you Vile. No need to think about it and just blurp off your mouth cause one of your "former" mouthbreathers makes it so because he is a lead designer now.
I am fairly certain he is having a laugh with his buddies on the SA forums.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
533
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:10:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, did somebody else notice the deafening silence of the CSM about this issue? What are you looking for exactly? If I was still a CSM my response would be something like this: "You mean they're giving FW a reason to exist AND nerfing passive highsec income? Awesome." Are you looking for that? I can give you that if you'd like.
That seems to be the main issue with CCP as well as the CSMs ideology on how to fix FW. Your not going to fix FW or even give it meaning by increasing its profitability, especially with datacores. All your going to achieve is the same that lowering the LP cost in FW stores did, fluff the number of people leeching off of missions. Once CCP starts realizing its not the profitability that attracts people to participate in FW but the PVP. Give meaning to pvping in FW, create content around promoting pvp, data core farming isn't going to achieve that. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
415
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:11:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:What are you looking for exactly? If I was still a CSM my response would be something like this:
"You mean they're giving FW a reason to exist AND nerfing passive highsec income? Awesome."
Are you looking for that? I can give you that if you'd like. Spoken like a true BoB CSM...
Goons - the *NEW* "Band of Brothers".
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1219
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:15:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Vile rat wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, did somebody else notice the deafening silence of the CSM about this issue? What are you looking for exactly? If I was still a CSM my response would be something like this: "You mean they're giving FW a reason to exist AND nerfing passive highsec income? Awesome." Are you looking for that? I can give you that if you'd like. Hadn't expected else from you Vile. No need to think about it and just blurp off your mouth cause one of your "former" mouthbreathers makes it so because he is a lead designer now. I am fairly certain he is having a laugh with his buddies on the SA forums.
You are painfully stupid. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
415
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:16:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:You are painfully stupid. Spoken with true SA aplomb!
/salute
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1219
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:19:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Vile rat wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, did somebody else notice the deafening silence of the CSM about this issue? What are you looking for exactly? If I was still a CSM my response would be something like this: "You mean they're giving FW a reason to exist AND nerfing passive highsec income? Awesome." Are you looking for that? I can give you that if you'd like. That seems to be the main issue with CCP as well as the CSMs ideology on how to fix FW. Your not going to fix FW or even give it meaning by increasing its profitability, especially with datacores. All your going to achieve is the same that lowering the LP cost in FW stores did, fluff the number of people leeching off of missions. Once CCP starts realizing its not the profitability that attracts people to participate in FW but the PVP. Give meaning to pvping in FW, create content around promoting pvp, data core farming isn't going to achieve that.
Yeah maybe, I like other ideas put out there for lowsec and fw upgrading better but I'm happy they are at least revisiting FW instead of leaving it dead and buried. To clarify I mostly posted just to show that there are few people going to cry tears over the loss of a high sec no effort steady income mechanism. I did like the idea of not getting rp if you don't do the daily mission though, that was a nice touch. Putting things in to at least take some managing in order to get cash would be a nice change of pace.
I don't think this is going to really do much to improve FW though. Nobody does that kind of crap for LP, let's face it. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
534
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:28:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:
Yeah maybe, I like other ideas put out there for lowsec and fw upgrading better but I'm happy they are at least revisiting FW instead of leaving it dead and buried. To clarify I mostly posted just to show that there are few people going to cry tears over the loss of a high sec no effort steady income mechanism. I did like the idea of not getting rp if you don't do the daily mission though, that was a nice touch. Putting things in to at least take some managing in order to get cash would be a nice change of pace.
I don't think this is going to really do much to improve FW though. Nobody does that kind of crap for LP, let's face it.
Don't get me wrong some of the changes they are making to FW are decent and its nice for them to finally look at FW to change it, but their mentality of looking at things from a profitablity standpoint is what my concern is.
Same issue when trying to balance high sec, lowsec, and nullsec. They try to balance it based off of the profitability of the other areas, ex. trying to nerf high sec to make null more profitable to get people to move there which doesn't work. Where as they need to look at each area in of itself and make changes that benefit that style of play, giving each area a niche that will attract players.
Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1219
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:31:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Vile rat wrote:
Yeah maybe, I like other ideas put out there for lowsec and fw upgrading better but I'm happy they are at least revisiting FW instead of leaving it dead and buried. To clarify I mostly posted just to show that there are few people going to cry tears over the loss of a high sec no effort steady income mechanism. I did like the idea of not getting rp if you don't do the daily mission though, that was a nice touch. Putting things in to at least take some managing in order to get cash would be a nice change of pace.
I don't think this is going to really do much to improve FW though. Nobody does that kind of crap for LP, let's face it.
Don't get me wrong some of the changes they are making to FW are decent and its nice for them to finally look at FW to change it, but their mentality of looking at things from a profitablity standpoint is what my concern is. Same issue when trying to balance high sec, lowsec, and nullsec. They try to balance it based off of the profitability of the other areas, ex. trying to nerf high sec to make null more profitable to get people to move there which doesn't work. Where as they need to look at each area in of itself and make changes that benefit that style of play, giving each area a niche that will attract players.
Ain't nobody going to get into FW as a way to make money. Maybe it'll keep people there though if it's comfortable and fun. At least you should be able to make enough to fund your ships and whatnot so that'd be a definite plus. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
396
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:34:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:
Yeah maybe, I like other ideas put out there for lowsec and fw upgrading better but I'm happy they are at least revisiting FW instead of leaving it dead and buried. To clarify I mostly posted just to show that there are few people going to cry tears over the loss of a high sec no effort steady income mechanism. I did like the idea of not getting rp if you don't do the daily mission though, that was a nice touch. Putting things in to at least take some managing in order to get cash would be a nice change of pace.
I don't think this is going to really do much to improve FW though. Nobody does that kind of crap for LP, let's face it.
Your ignorance just oozes out of your replies.
No effort steady income?
So the time and Isk invested to even get it started was no effort. Once you actually have everything sorted out you still have the very long jumps to collect those cores and then more jumps to put them on a market. Yes still no effort. By the way, you will have to train blockade runner too or outsource the transport of the datacores because opposite to null sec you can't see who might be trying to (suicide) gank you while you carry some Isk worth of datacores.
The whole shift of datacores to FW is a stupid idea and you are just too butthurt to agree to it because it might upset your batphone buddy.
You already get only 50% of the RP you would get daily if you were to do the daily mission for the agent. Just too bad that if you want to have any shot at some usefull RP and datacores you are already forced to use agents which are often 20 or more jumps apart. That might not be an issue for the null sec jumpbridge dwellers but it does take away a lot of gametime from regular players. But you don't give a damn about that. Why would you. it's not a part of the game you care about.
This is one reason why it's one of the best things you and your kind should stay out of the CSM and game design. You lack the broader vision and only trample narrowminded through it all and disregarding all which isn't up your ally.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
535
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:55:00 -
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Your really overstating the effort required for datacore farming. When it comes to Eve nothing is passive, datacore farming is the closest thing in Eve to a passive income. The only thing not passive is the standings grind, however you only have to do that once and your set. The excuse of having to move stuff is something that any profession has to do. Same goes for peoples ideology that moon mining is completely passive which its not its less passive then data core farming or even PI. While I agree with you on the moving datacores to FW is a bad idea, I disagree with your opinion on data cores not being a passive income source at least relative to income sources in Eve. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
396
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:12:00 -
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It is barely an income but the bitterness from those who wish to get it nerfed is far more present than those who wish to keep it as it is. But I understand the oversight in that because it doesn't fit the concept of risk versus reward EVE loves to propoganda about.
Skills, standings and everything appears magicly by the wave of a wand and the collecting and transport of datacores is done by EVE mail so it's instantanious.
Not as hard as everything else in EVE.
And since nobody else can do the same we have to nerf it. Or is it because they can't be bothered to do the same but instead want it tied to their pew pew habbits instead.
God, now do something you don't like to do but you do it anyways because of the reward it might bring you in the future. Nah, we just wanna do what we love to do and heck, let's add something else we can get from it and screw those others.
The level of ignorance in EVE is slowly but steadily rising to a point where we can safely say that there never was a sandbox but only a smokescreen guided tour.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3685
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:20:00 -
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Stop trying to pretend there's anything particularly awesome or deserving about grinding L4 standings in hi-sec. Seriously, you are coming across as the most bitter little babby ever. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Francisco Bizzaro
91
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:30:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:So the time and Isk invested to even get it started was no effort. Once you actually have everything sorted out you still have the very long jumps to collect those cores and then more jumps to put them on a market. Yes still no effort.
I have a couple of datacore agents working for me in the background. Every few months, I make 20-30 jumps, gather up the cores, and sell them for a half billion ISK.
It's not zero effort - but pretty good pay for a courier contract.
Quote: By the way, you will have to train blockade runner too or outsource the transport of the datacores because opposite to null sec you can't see who might be trying to (suicide) gank you while you carry some Isk worth of datacores.
Why is training ships regarded as odious extra work? Everything you do in the game requires training, but nothing else in the game gives a guaranteed payout every month like a dole cheque.
The only redeeming feature of the system is that some of the best R&D agents were placed in low sec, so you actually do have to make a couple of risky jumps to get the datacores to safety. But a blockade runner makes that job easy as well. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1219
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:51:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:
Your ignorance just oozes out of your replies.
No effort steady income?
So the time and Isk invested to even get it started was no effort.
No, the time and isk invested to even get it are absolutely inconsequential.
http://i.imgur.com/wzUW9.png
Quote: Once you actually have everything sorted out you still have the very long jumps to collect those cores and then more jumps to put them on a market. Yes still no effort. By the way, you will have to train blockade runner too or outsource the transport of the datacores because opposite to null sec you can't see who might be trying to (suicide) gank you while you carry some Isk worth of datacores.
Holy crap man do you want us to play the game for you?
Quote: The whole shift of datacores to FW is a stupid idea and you are just too butthurt to agree to it because it might upset your batphone buddy.
You already get only 50% of the RP you would get daily if you were to do the daily mission for the agent. Just too bad that if you want to have any shot at some usefull RP and datacores you are already forced to use agents which are often 20 or more jumps apart. That might not be an issue for the null sec jumpbridge dwellers but it does take away a lot of gametime from regular players. But you don't give a damn about that. Why would you. it's not a part of the game you care about.
This is one reason why it's one of the best things you and your kind should stay out of the CSM and game design. You lack the broader vision and only trample narrowminded through it all and disregarding all which isn't up your ally.
Oh come now, insults are just rude! |
Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
110
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:03:00 -
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Vile rat wrote: If I was still a CSM blah, blah, blah passive highsec income
Passive Income dwarfed by technetium Moons.
Just thankfully your ignorance no longer debases the CSM. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
399
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:11:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Stop trying to pretend there's anything particularly awesome or deserving about grinding L4 standings in hi-sec. Seriously, you are coming across as the most bitter little babby ever.
As soon as you stop trying to make datacore farming a bigger income than they actually are.
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
399
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:12:00 -
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Vile rat wrote: Oh come now, insults are just rude!
Want me to link every single insult you threw at people out there?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
612
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:19:00 -
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Zelda Wei wrote:Passive Income dwarfed by technetium Moons. Damn right it is. We just had two fleets sit on titans (passively !) for an hour until the enemy just left us alone.
The blob requires a lot of people to be a proper blob. Sadly, some enemies seems disincentivized to fight when you have a proper blob. Oh well.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Whitehound
255
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:32:00 -
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Has anyone yet said that having one, single and lazy form of farming might not be a bad idea?
Having one form of lazy ISK-farming is good, because it adds diversity to a game. It is still only a game. It allows to have a single ISK-farming feature, which requires no attention at all while it is still in control by CCP. Taking away this mechanic will likely only create a few more botters, because some players will continue to feel a need to make easy ISKs and will go for alternatives.
I did grind several NPC research corps to get access to their L4 research agents. I will still be able to profit from my grinding, because these corps offer blueprints of some of the faction modules, which can only be found at their LP stores (i.e. a 5-run blueprint copy of Fed. Navy magnetic field stabilizers). So my standings with them will not suddenly become useless.
Anyhow, just a thought, but I will not care much either way.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3685
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:40:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Malcanis wrote:Stop trying to pretend there's anything particularly awesome or deserving about grinding L4 standings in hi-sec. Seriously, you are coming across as the most bitter little babby ever. As soon as you stop trying to make datacore farming a bigger income than they actually are.
Yeah, except that I haven't made any comment whatsoever about how much datacore income is.
I'll make one now, though: the 3 or 4 days standing grind I did for a couple of my characters about a year ago (and on which I spent about 100M on skillbooks for) just paid off enough to get me two months subs, and they're still earning for me even now. Of course I'll be scooping up the scraps, so to speak, on the 21st. Should be a nice few mill. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
68
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:46:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Your really overstating the effort required for datacore farming. When it comes to Eve nothing is passive, datacore farming is the closest thing in Eve to a passive income. The only thing not passive is the standings grind, however you only have to do that once and your set. The excuse of having to move stuff is something that any profession has to do. Same goes for peoples ideology that moon mining is completely passive which its not its less passive then data core farming or even PI. While I agree with you on the moving datacores to FW is a bad idea, I disagree with your opinion on data cores not being a passive income source at least relative to income sources in Eve.
Not entirely true. I have a character that does level 4 missions for Sisters of EVE. The furthest he has to move away from Osmon to do his mission is 2 jumps. The furthest I have to move to sell my LP store rewards is 6 the jumps to Jita.
Comparatively, when I go to my R&D toon to collect datacores, I have around 90 jumps to cover before they're all collected an placed on the market, for each character. That's 360 jumps in total for all my R&D characters. Each jump takes about a minute, so in game time I have to play 6 hours of active, non-afk, non-stop hauling to collect all my datacores. That CANNOT be classified as a passive activity.
Here's the kicker. If I do this once pr. month, I gain around 90m worth of ISK for each character, which is 360m total.
If I spend the same time doing lvl 4 missions I earn around 30m in bounties, 10m in loot+salvage (by outsourcing to ProSynergy) and another 15-20m in loyalty points, which amounts to a total of 55-60m pr. hour or 330-360m for 6 hours.
So to be honest, even in the old system I might as well just have spent those 6 hours doing missions, at least they're slightly more interesting than hauling. In the new system the datacore generation has been halved to 45m and there's a 10k fee pr. datacore, so more like a profit of 40m, pr. character. For four characters I can now earn spend 6 hours hauling to collect 160m worth of datacores, which means that if I collect the datacores on a monthly basis I would actually only earn half as much by doing so compared to spending the same time running missions.
And please note, this calculation doesn't even take into account the time you have to spend on the market to adjust sell orders that are being undercut by 0.01 ISK every 5 minutes.
So in the new system the only way to make DC farming in any way profitable is to collect the cores after at least two months worth of research, which in turn makes it fairly impossible to adapt to new trends in the market and adjust research to get the best priced cores. The bottom line of all this is that the market will be skewed towards some cores, that will then be filled by the FW people, who use their FW LP to buy the best priced cores, and the majority of the proceeds in the R&D career have now moved to pew pew pilots in low-sec.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1220
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:08:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Vile rat wrote: Oh come now, insults are just rude!
Want me to link every single insult you threw at people out there?
Yes! please do! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
400
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:59:00 -
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Sorry, but crosslinking isn't allowed, but people can easy find themselves all the crapposts you made. Wouldn't want to give you the temptation to do a quick hop on the batphone to get me forumbanned.
The whole datacore debacle boils down to one simple thing.
Where in the passt EVE was a game of own choises and consequences it more and more leads to others making the choices for you by making on choice you made in the passt as unattractive as possible. This only makes me firmly believe that the sandbox they promoted over the years has been broken and polluted over and over again.
As soon as Soundwave introduces nerfs into a game like this they clearly state that the part people played in the passt doesn't fit in their sandbox concept and they just rearrange the sandbox to their likings.
Ofcourse you have to defend him Vile, because let's face it. Even if he actually is a former Goon. Once a Goon always a Goon, right. Brosefs for brosefs. |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1478
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:39:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Sorry, but crosslinking isn't allowed, but people can easy find themselves all the crapposts you made. Wouldn't want to give you the temptation to do a quick hop on the batphone to get me forumbanned.
You make an offer then can't back it up when you're called on it?
The crosslinking ban is so people don't shit up their OPs with links to their own, identical OPs in other (or the same) forum. Linking to other people's comments to prove a point is fine. Like this:
How Hisec Miners are a threat to EVE as we love it.
or this:
Just in case you haven't figured it out, being a Sandbox means that the Goons are amazing content for EVE
Regardless, if OP has any evidence of Dev/GM/CCP employee misconduct/malfeasance/incompetence/etc, he should direct it to the IA Department at CCP. Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
400
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:53:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Regardless, if OP has any evidence of Dev/GM/CCP employee misconduct/malfeasance/incompetence/etc, he should direct it to the IA Department at CCP.
Ah yes. an Internal Affairs investigating their own people.
CCP has a good trackrecord for being trustworthy in that department.
T20. mainly a cover up till the **** hit the fan so darn hard the lid got blown off. Hillmars famous e-mail. Long term silence and then a simple "sorry". But more "sorry I got caught" then "sorry for being an idiot"
20% lay off of employees but not the one really responcible for the whole mess.
No you are absolutely right. I can trust CCP they double my money if I send them any amount.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
618
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:56:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote: I can trust CCP they double my money if I send them any amount. I don't think they do the whole injecting isk thing...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1405
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:04:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:Malcanis wrote:Stop trying to pretend there's anything particularly awesome or deserving about grinding L4 standings in hi-sec. Seriously, you are coming across as the most bitter little babby ever. As soon as you stop trying to make datacore farming a bigger income than they actually are. Yeah, except that I haven't made any comment whatsoever about how much datacore income is. I'll make one now, though: the 3 or 4 days standing grind I did for a couple of my characters about a year ago (and on which I spent about 100M on skillbooks for) just paid off enough to get me two months subs, and they're still earning for me even now. Of course I'll be scooping up the scraps, so to speak, on the 21st. Should be a nice few mill.
You kinda glossed over the TWO FREAKING MONTHS it takes to get the rank 8 skill to level 5 that does one thing and one thing only. Allows for one research agent per level. Then you left out the other FEW MONTHS to train up a couple of the base skills to 5 so that your agents are actually producing stuff at a decent rate.
Now, Mal, want to try again? But see if you can use all the facts this time. Not just the ones that suit your broken argument.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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